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US Internet Offers 10Gbps Fiber In Minneapolis
An anonymous reader writes Christmas came early in Minneapolis! U.S. Internet has announced that they are now offering 10 Gbps service to all of their existing fiber customers. Their prior top tier service was 1 Gbps. The article also goes on to state that they're actively working on rolling out 40 Gbps and 100 Gbps fiber service as well."
10Gbps? I'll take 100 Mbps, shit I'll even take 50
Downtown Paris has maximum speeds ~800Kbps in parts!
Hello Paris? This is 1997. We'd like our ADSL back.
You mean this wasn't pioneered by AT&T or Comcast or Verizon, etc?
But I thought they were on our side?
Actually, their fiber coverage is in select parts of Southwest Minneapolis only.
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This is 1972, we'd like our joke back.
Well, considering how much porn you can download with a 10 Gbps connection, once you switch, you'll be 'batin.
So, yes, while it is "bait and switch," it's more accurate to call "switch and bait."
Assuming you're not running major data service out of your house, what's the point of diminishing return for connectivity?
I'm making the assumptions that the link speed you're sold is actually the speed you get and that there are no resource constraints, artificial or real, that would stop you from utilizing the maximum bandwidth.
Do most web sites have per-connection caps on how fast any one connection can download files or data? Could you mount a file store on AWS or any other cloud storage provider and use it like a local NAS disk?
My daughter goes to UofMN and has a very painful 1Mb service in her apartment for $30/month! CL says they are looking to improve the offerings in her building but she is not holding her breath. We haven't been told we can NOT get other service BUT there is currently no other service in her area. No monopoly you say? Wish this service would work its way around the University.
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How many residential customers even have a nic capable of 10Gbps? My guess is that the >10Gbps residential service is primarily for apartment complexes.
I am having a hard time coming up with anyone that could take advantage of this. I would love gig coverage in my area. Even then, 80% of my internet activity happens on wireless which will not even come close to using 1Gbps let alone 10Gbps. On my wired connections, I occasionally hit my max of 50Mbps but, in most situations, the far end is still a limiter.
Large / medium business, sure. But a household of 4-6 people? Every one of them could be watching their own 4k content while simultaneously downloading isos and video chatting and still couldn't even come close to saturating the link.
Port 1: Direct connection to my main computer.
Port 2: Connected to a PC running PfSense.
Port 3: Connected to a wireless router with custom firmware. Secure wireless.
Port 4: Connected to a wireless router with custom firmware. Guest / Open wireless.
This will allow me to use a good portion of that 10 Gbps link.
Why is it so hard to only have politicians for a few years, then have them go away?
Ie what is the ping round trip time to the ISP's router ? With an interactive protocol/application round trip time is as important as bandwidth.
Progress for the ISP. Now their customes can hit their data cap in the first 10 minutes of the month!
Are they guaranteeing throughput? Then it's meaningless for most folks. It's like putting tires rated for 200 MPH on your care and assuming it will now go 200 MPH.
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So much for AT&T claiming that new net neutrality rules would financially hinder them from building out their fiber network!! If this tiny little company can role out 10 Gbps service, offer 1 Gbps service for $65/month, and be actively engaged on getting 40 Gbps and 100 Gbps rolled out in Minneapolis without having to charge companies like Netflix additional fees, then why can't a behemoth like AT&T do the same??
Maybe the number is basically a gimmick. Almost nobody will have hardware that can eat faster than 1Gbps, but they'll feel cool that they could, if only they'd upgrade. So real bandwidth costs aren't really going to increase for the ISP, even if the data rate went up by an order of magnitude.
Even if you saturated the available 2.4GHz and 5GHz spectrum you'd be lucky to even come close to 1gbps total throughput for all the wireless devices with 2 AP's and that would mostly come from 802.11ac devices on 5GHz.
The pfsense box would presumably be your router so it wouldn't be using any bandwidth itself. If you're trying to say it would be acting as a server then your ISP would have a talk with you if it used any significant traffic.
So that leaves the main computer which isn't going to get 9Gbps from anywhere accept maybe torrents but again they will likely have a problem if you leave it saturated for long.
Residential fiber still comes with typical residential restrictions. Even 1gbps residential connections are sold under the expectation that it will be dormant the majority of time but that when you do use it you will be able to burst as high as the server will provide in most cases.
No, it would imply there is no contextual reason for the link.
I'm getting Free's gigabit FTTH in Febuary. Just wait. Fibre is being deployed. If you're too far from a dslam, it sucks, I know (7mbit now), but it's not going to be better outside of paris.
Horrendous slap in the face to many who struggle to get anything useful. It would be nice to see the big players cut back on their FUD and actually provide the services their customers need at a fair price (novel concept).
We are lucky to have gotten 30/5 Mbps for $35 a month, the price shot up for the 50 and 100 Mbps tiers. However, having a big (or huge) pipe does almost no good when the backbone is puny compared to the need and we all sloooow down in the evening...
If you want malls, freeways, and fiber, live in town.
If you want wide open spaces, live out in the country.
If you insist on having a fiber line run two miles across your neighbors' pastures to reach you, the only interested customer on your road, you can get that too. That two miles of trenching and fiber work isn't going to be cheap - I've priced it.
A PC Engines APU1C can "route" (NAT/gateway) around 6-700mbit/sec with pfSense on a 1GHz AMD A-series CPU with no hardware acceleration. That's nothing, hardware-wise. It has Realtek network cards which aren't great from a performance standpoint. I don't disagree that 10G+ service is going to take a fair bit of hardware compared to average home "router" hardware, but that's because those boxes are trash for the most part.
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Cat6A - usable for 10GbE up to 100m. Cat 6 works with 10GbE but only for short runs, up to 10-15m.
Are they going to drop into every customers home a router capable of 10Gbps of throughput? LOL. That would be expensive.
Not only the 10GbE switches are expensive ($100-200 per port) but the network cards are too. Making them work in a regular PC is a nightmare, most motherboards bus-fault and bluescreen / kernel panic in minutes.
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Yup. Shielding around each pair.
(Also note the Cat8 section)
Then you want Charter, if it's available in your area. I have 64 down, 5 up, with no data cap or usage limits or throttling (or none that I've found yet). $49.99/month + taxes
I can stream HD movies to two televisions while watching another HD video online and still see no slowdown while surfing the net. Why would anyone need more than that?
They are using an ethernet solution over fiber so the next steps above 10 are 40 and 100 gig. This is what you can do when you roll out a data network and not an overgrown cable tv network like all the xPON and FTTH, FTTP networks we keep hearing about.
While it's great to get super-fast Internet, we may run into a big problem soon: many web server farms may not have the bandwidth capacity to handle many millions of users who have above 100 megabit/second download speed Internet access at the "last mile" connection. It's going to require a major upgrade of content delivery networks to handle much faster connection end users.
....IT DOESN'T MATTER
1gbps is overkill as it is...lol
most websites can't keep up with that - heck, a lot of them can't keep up with 100mbit.
Think small, live small.
I was lucky enough to have access to a home hookup on a lower USI tier for a while. It was of course far and away the best Internets around locally (altho now it's prompted CenturyLink to roll out). Coverage maps here http://fiber.usinternet.com/
Another thing I loved was Comcast was forced to slash its rates in the covered zip codes dramatically, finally resembling a reasonable price. The solid upstream is very good for getting videos online, altho its true that the chokepoint winds up being the Youtube server, not the pipe. The entire time, except when someone doing laundry unplugged the basement router, it never really bogged down & you could tell the peering points were not saturated like is always the Comcast experience.
I happened to run into a bunch of the USI staff at an event & they explained to me that while they didn't have much capital, the little bit they were riding on could suffice to slowly build out the network. It took awhile to develop a process w the city to get easements on the boulevards but now proceeds smoothly. Conveniently everything is reliable (who knew buried optical cables are more reliable than coax on poles?) and the whole city network gets like 4-5 service calls a day. They were actually happy to not have to bother providing TV service w its finicky boxes, because they don't cover the whole city.
The ping times to the U of Minn timeserver at 128.101.101.101 were around 2-4ms if you don't go thru a router.
Obviously they were a bit proud they'd been able to hang in the biz over those years, and considered themselves the "last man standing" against the big monopolies.
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London has the same problem... Old infrastructure, nowhere to locate street cabinets and very difficult to get permission to do any work in the street coupled with relatively few residential customers. Central London is mostly business users, and given the rates these businesses pay for their offices they can afford to have dedicated fibre lines installed.
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10 GbE NIC with standard STP PHY cost around 100 bucks? not very much money and affordable. A four port 10 GbE switch is not so expensive, if you want to run it at home you can.
I'm surprised 2014 motherboards does not have built in 10 GbE as it have been around for a long time now.
I'm pretty sure many people's hard disks couldn't handle it, either....
I think many consumer grade spinning platter disks would actually struggle to perform at 10gbps. SSD would be ok but the ol' 5400RPM disks wouldn't keep up.
...we just write out the individual bits on a post it note, throw it out the window and let the wind blow it to the nearest exchange, where trained koalas use 1800's era telegraph equipment to re-encode the traffic onto the Internet, for us. Because that's faster than the best Internet most of us will ever see.
You'll find that smaller ISPs (especially municipal and/or little fiber ISPs like this one) tend not to have data caps, and usually have big honking backhaul connections and peering just as the incumbants do - sometimes with as much bandwidth as the incumbants do (or at least MUCH more per subscriber).
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