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Romanian Cybersecurity Law Will Allow Warrantless Access To Data

jfruh writes: The Romanian Parliament has passed a bill that will allow its security services widespread access to data on privately owned services without a warrant, and once the president signs it, it will become law. The law would have widespread impact beyond Romania because the country is a hub for IT outsourcing.

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  1. Idiots by Drgnkght · · Score: 5, Insightful

    because the country is a hub for IT outsourcing

    Not anymore.

    1. Re:Idiots by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      I wonder how the law treats having all your cheap Romanian labor work via thin clients, so the data never actually reside in Romania?

    2. Re:Idiots by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      Companies will only avoid the place if their customers object. Money is still king in the corporate world.

    3. Re:Idiots by AchilleTalon · · Score: 1

      Just when I learn a large enterprise here is already in the process to outsource the IT department as a whole in Romania within the next three months. A delayed Water Bucket Challenge.

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    4. Re:Idiots by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      The "Microsoft controls the servers in Ireland, so can hoover up everything they hold" case indicates that if a single person in Romania can get the data then the Romanian police can get the data.

    5. Re:Idiots by AchilleTalon · · Score: 1

      Really? It is not like the company data has no value at all. Perhaps you missed what happened recently to Sony. Getting access without a warrant and any valid reason to corporate data is a good way to spy and make a few bucks selling the information to competitors or becoming a competitor. A proposal for a many billion dollars project worth something for the competition. Many millions in fact.

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    6. Re:Idiots by Free+Censorship · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Odd how Americans think the same playbook is good and privacy is bad

      We're not a hivemind. I'm an American and I oppose nonsense like the NSA's mass surveillance 100%; I don't think they should even be collecting the data at all.

    7. Re:Idiots by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      The "Microsoft controls the servers in Ireland, so can hoover up everything they hold" case indicates that if a single person in Romania can get the data then the Romanian police can get the data.

      I think the South African Police might have something to say about that. Just as an example, of course... http://www.datacentermap.com/s...

    8. Re:Idiots by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      Not even all American SENATORS believe in that "playbook". Never mind the actual population.

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    9. Re:Idiots by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      What are you talking about? "The Interview" will probably make a lot less money because all of the movie theaters that 90% of people go to aren't showing it. Some of the leaked emails are very embarrassing and will probably cost them a lot in lost goodwill with business partners, which will translate into less profits.

      Goodwill? In Hollywood?

      You must be joking.

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    10. Re:Idiots by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      From what I hear, the movie is crap anyway, so Sony is likely making more money off of it because of all the hype and press surrounding it. (They're selling it as pay-per-view on their own website.) The whole incident may have even been orchestrated by Sony as a giant publicity scheme, who knows.

    11. Re:Idiots by AchilleTalon · · Score: 2

      Since they had to change all the IT infrastructure to clear it from any virii, it already costs them a pile of money. Now, they face legal suits from employees and ex-employees for failing to protect personal information, including medical records, security number and full details on them. I don't know in what world you live, but it is not the real one.

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    12. Re:Idiots by AchilleTalon · · Score: 1

      I must had also all leaked information is usable by providers, customers, shareholders, anyone in the future to negociate more tightly agreements, if any at all, with Sony. This will also cost them money. I believe you don't have a faint idea of the magnitude and impact of this for Sony Pictures.

      Suppose you are a script, scenarist, producer, director or any other important job in the making of a movie. How would you feel doing business with Sony given the way they protect your work? It is very likely someone will seek to work with someone else but Sony Pictures.

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    13. Re:Idiots by Vlad_the_Inhaler · · Score: 1

      You were doing just fine until you got to The whole incident may have even been orchestrated by Sony as a giant publicity scheme, who knows.

      Given the scope and content of those mails, a decision like that would have been in the mails themselves.

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    14. Re:Idiots by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      You don't think they could have filtered that stuff out of the mails?

      I know, it's a stretch, I just put it out there as a remote possibility. Conspiracy theories aren't always wrong, every once in a while they turn out to be true.

    15. Re: Idiots by shonangreg · · Score: 1

      About as likely as Don Lemon's hare-brained idea that the Malaysia Airlines flight was sucked into a black hole. Sony didn't hack itself, though it could have been an inside job. That was the language of the first threats.

  2. Outsourcing agreements... by The+New+Guy+2.0 · · Score: 2

    Remember when writing outsourcing agreements that law changes could happen, and should allow you to void the agreement.

  3. Ceaucescu... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...would have liked as much control over private data.

    Compared to today's Free world (of course, to the other side, they were the Free world), the former Soviet bloc countries had very little knowledge of citizen activity. The thing we've learned is that it's more effective to propagandize than to force, because all that really matters is the perception of freedom.

    1. Re:Ceaucescu... by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Allegedly Erich Mielke (former head of the East German Stasi) said concerning the various forms of surveillance we're getting used against us "If we had these things, we'd still have communism today!"

      Well, since we have them, we still have capitalism...

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    2. Re:Ceaucescu... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      What fascinates me to no end is that the people here still believe what they're told by media and politics. People actually do believe them.

      Maybe because we don't have any "West-TV" that could tell us that our emperors have no clothes.

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  4. Re:Outsourcing is why its needed by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

    Were they having trouble getting warrants for those sorts of investigations? Even a judiciary that isn't effectively a rubber stamp usually pays attention to that kind of thing.

  5. Re:Outsourcing is why its needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So in other words, they have to sacrifice freedom & privacy for safety, ignoring the fact that freedom and privacy are more important than safety to begin with. Look, I don't care one bit about bogeymen like child porn or gambling services (ha!); any good country would reject infringing upon people's liberties for such a worthless reason. Sadly, there don't seem to be all that many good countries, if any at all.

    What a depressing state of affairs, where there are people on Slashdot who are duped into fearing the child porn bogeyman, supporting safety over checks and balances and freedom, and suggesting that the law must merely be used carefully to avoid the same abuses that we've seen from all governments throughout the human race's history. This time, authorities will be perfect beings and will make no mistakes, mark my words!

  6. Re:Outsourcing is why its needed by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    And why would it have been any problem to get a warrant against these businesses? You know, that old fashioned "due process" kind of way?

    If your answer is corruption, be prepared to be laughed at and asked why the heck this elimination of privacy would make corruption harder instead of easier. It's one less branch of the system you need to bribe.

    Trading freedom for safety does not work. For a proof, just look at the ultimate exchange of freedom for security: A jail. Now, do you want to tell me that inmates are SAFE in there?

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  7. Re:LOL fascists by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It might be news to you, but capitalism - at least in the Russian variety and I wouldn't hold my breath on the US variety as of late - means a lot of the wealth has been accumulated on a few hands. I'm not sure that people are worse off on an absolute scale, but there's actually quite many feeling that they're worse off compared to everybody else. In Greece for example SYRIZA - the "Coalition of the Radical Left" - has been up to 27% in the polls lately. That's the birthplace of democracy, not some shithole that's never known anything different. Which I suppose is nicer than the way Germans reacted in the 1930s to the economic buttfucking of the Allies, I guess. In a dysfunctional economy most everything will seem like it's worth trying and they can be very productive in unconventional ways. Like the German war machine that nearly broke Europe's back in WWII was build by a country allegedely on the brink of bankruptcy. But money is money and guns in guns and what the lacked in the former they got plenty in the latter. Don't underestimate Russia and China just because they're not western.

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  8. Your DATA are belonging to us by __aanbvm4272 · · Score: 1

    I Soviet Romania all your Data Blocs are belonging to us. You can have them back when we are though with them.

  9. Re:Outsourcing is why its needed by arbiter1 · · Score: 1

    I bet that is the BS they try to shovel to the public when they ask. They tried that crap with SOPA in the US claiming it was to combat child porn. Which its not what they claim they want to do with a bill but what they are going to do and what it lets them do.

  10. Re:LOL fascists by FooAtWFU · · Score: 2

    You know, some day some group is going to rise up against a crony-infested system designed to funnel money to the wanton rapacious capitalist elites, and will replace it with a crony-resistant system -- instead of just replacing it with a differently awful crony-infested system using the leftism de jure.

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  11. The difference between Romania and the US is, by Black+Copter+Control · · Score: 2

    The Romanian actually passed a law making the stuff they do 'legal',

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  12. Hold on a minute by silviuc · · Score: 1

    The law in question has not yet been passed by the president and has already been contested at the Constitutional Court. There it will most likely be declared unconstitutional thus illegal and void.

  13. Like U.S. by artlu · · Score: 3, Informative

    As most people are unaware, after the passing of the Dodd Frank reform act (post 2008 financial crisis), the U.S. gave blanket subpoena power to the civil agencies of this country with respect to financial records. Do your research, and remember The Market is not Random.

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  14. European Convention on Human Rights by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

    This law seems to be in contravention of several sections of the European Convention on Human Rights which Romania is party to.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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