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Is the Tablet Market In Outright Collapse? Data Suggests Yes

Nerval's Lobster writes Is the tablet market rapidly collapsing? Mobile-analytics firm Flurry doesn't come to quite that stark a conclusion, but things aren't looking too good for touch-screens that don't qualify as "phablets." According to Flurry's numbers, full-sized tablets accounted for only 11 percent of new devices in 2014, a decline from 2013, when that form-factor totaled 17 percent of the new-device market; small tablets experienced a smaller decline, falling from 12 percent to 11 percent of new devices between 2013 and 2014. (Meanwhile, phablets expanded from 4 percent of new devices in 2013 to 13 percent this year.) Boy Genius Report, for its part, looked at those numbers and decided that the tablet market is doomed: "Consumers happy with compact smartphones are not switching to larger iPhones for now, but former tablet buyers are." That's not to say people will stop using tablets, but the onetime theory that they would one day cannibalize all PCs looks increasingly nebulous.

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  1. Tablet? by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Oh, you mean my personal Netflix gadget.

    I use it (google nexus 7) because the battery lasts a long time, it is portable, and it is specifically NOT my phone.

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    1. Re:Tablet? by Isaac-1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So what the hell are Phablets? Do we really need this new term that will be out of date in 6 months?

    2. Re:Tablet? by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's all about use cases. My wife uses her iPad for the same reasons you do, but she rarely bothers with a full-blown PC. For her, the iPad is great for road trips, small vacations, etc.

      On my part, I rarely bother with a tablet; I have/use CG applications that a tablet simply could not keep up with, if anything were even written for them in that vein. Plus, I prefer the larger screens, bulkiness be damned.

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    3. Re:Tablet? by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So what the hell are Phablets? Do we really need this new term that will be out of date in 6 months?

      A phablet is a mythical tablet where they re-enable the disabled phone circuitry that's present in the chips.

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    4. Re:Tablet? by sycodon · · Score: 5, Informative

      Also, tablets have a longer lifespan than your average smartphone. The tablet market could probably be called Mature now. Explosive growth is over, at least in the original Western Markets. You are looking at incremental growth and replacements.

      Mobil phones, on the other hand, are still P.O.S. devices that start breaking within a year or are obsoleted by he never ending OS updates, carrier technology, etc.

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    5. Re:Tablet? by Penguinisto · · Score: 2

      I can agree easily to that - a good tablet will outlast a good mobile phone by miles. I think the only real limiting factor would be the battery.

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    6. Re:Tablet? by Noah+Haders · · Score: 2

      it's not a man purse, it's a satchel. Indiana jones had one.

    7. Re:Tablet? by tepples · · Score: 2

      Last time I checked, LCDs were measured by visible image size, which in the case of mains-powered displays is rounded up to the next inch. For battery-powered displays, they're rounded to the nearest tenth, with somewhat of a bias toward whole numbers.

    8. Re:Tablet? by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Also, tablets have a longer lifespan than your average smartphone. The tablet market could probably be called Mature now. Explosive growth is over, at least in the original Western Markets. You are looking at incremental growth and replacements.

      I would imagine that you are correct. While they are technically computers I classify tablets as data display devices. You use them to display web pages, read ebooks, and pay bills with online banking. You really don't use them for general purpose computers.

      While they have different processor speeds, screen sizes and run different OS, basically they all do the same thing. And its hard to improve on what they do. Once you find one that you are happy with, it should serve for years doing its job.

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    9. Re:Tablet? by RingDev · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I have a (don't judge me!) Surface Pro 2. After my last PC got struck by lightning almost 9 months ago, I haven't bothered building a new one.

      The Surface Pro has (just) enough processing power to handle most of what I need it to do. All my standard office stuff (word, excel, visio) and as long as I'm not doing anything too crazy, it handles my personal dev projects (VS2013 and some assorted web and .Net apps) including debugging (although I'm not running a local database on it for development).

      Yeah, it can do Netflix, hulu, and prime, but it also runs an Android emulator (hurray for Andyroid!) fairly well for apps I need that aren't available on Windows and for my own cross platform development testing.

      It's not a gaming rig though. I'm not going to jump in a 40-person WoW raid with the graphics cranked up, nor am I going to jump into a FPS and count on head shots. I still need an actual rig for that fun.

      But as far as having a super handy tablet that I can effectively doc to have a solid work machine (I'm in management now, so I don't need to compile that million lines of code assembly), it does quite well.

      As for upgrading, I got a great deal on the Surface Pro 2 as the Pro 3s had been on the market and the 2s were getting cleared out. If/When the Pro 4s come out, I might make the jump, but for now, I'm good.

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    10. Re:Tablet? by lennier1 · · Score: 2

      In my case a cheap Chinese 10" no-name tablet serves the same purpose. As long as it has WiFi, a working SD card slot and is fast enough to play videos without any lags, there's no need to buy a newer one.

    11. Re:Tablet? by Noah+Haders · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The summary and comments so far have been comparing tablets to phones. But the proper comparison is between tablets and laptops.

      ANECDOTE ALERT

      I'm a big believer that tablets will replace laptops. My ipad used to be for games, light browsing, etc. But two things happened that changed everything:
      * I got a really high quality keyboard case that comes very close to replicating the look and feel of a laptop (search for ClamCase if you care to)
      * my work switched to office 365, which means all of the outlook, word, excel, CRM, and sharepoint is available online and through ipad apps.

      Now my tablet has probably replaced 75% of my home computer needs, and 100% of travel needs - I leave my work laptop at home and only take the tablet. It's super cool. It does many things that my home/work laptops do not:
      * it is small and light, yet the ipad screen is way huge compared to netbook screens.
      * cell connection means you always have email the instant you open it, and any website is available any where. once you get used to this it is jarring to back to a laptop where you're scrounging for internet access (or have a Sting that glows when in the presence of unsecured wifi).
      * instant wake from sleep. Another thing where once you get used to that it's hard to go back to the laptop.
      * it lasts all day. literally, 10 hrs +. better than my crappy work win7 that burns like a thousand suns.
      * road warriors will identify with this one: the charger is small and light (not a brick)

      Like I said, anecdote alert. But I think that aside from computer professionals, many people can be more than suited by an ipad + tablet case. The number of edge cases where a laptop works but an ipad doesn't work keeps on shrinking.

      Rumor mill says Apple will be updating the MacBook air to be a tablet/laptop hybrid, possibly like the set up I described. That would be cool!

    12. Re:Tablet? by jeffmflanagan · · Score: 2

      The term has been around for several years, but always struck me as icky.

    13. Re:Tablet? by jeffmflanagan · · Score: 2

      >People laughed at them for having this big ass tablet next to their ear

      Why would anyone care if stupid people laugh at them?

    14. Re:Tablet? by Guspaz · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's not a satchel, it's European.

    15. Re:Tablet? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Why would anyone care if stupid people laugh at them?

      Because those stupid people in a hospital are nurses and doctors. Give them an opportunity to look down on you as an I.T. professional and you will never hear the end of it. As an I.T. contractor, I worked in a wide variety of companies with different cultures. A hospital is perhaps the most hostile work enviornment. Either you fall in line with the pecking order or the door hits your ass on the way out.

    16. Re:Tablet? by CrankyFool · · Score: 2

      Ever work in a law firm? My wife (an attorney) tells horror stories.

    17. Re:Tablet? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I applied for a tech job at a law firm this past summer. The recruiter submitted my resume along with a half-dozen other resumes. The hiring manager rejected them all out of hand for lacking tenure (i.e., at least three years in the last three positions). The recruiter had to explain to the hiring manager that practically no one has three years in the last three positions since the Great Recession, as everyone is doing short-term contract and getting whatever jobs they can find. Last I heard, the position was still open.

    18. Re:Tablet? by Amtrak · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Like I said, anecdote alert. But I think that aside from computer professionals, many people can be more than suited by an ipad + tablet case. The number of edge cases where a laptop works but an ipad doesn't work keeps on shrinking. Rumor mill says Apple will be updating the MacBook air to be a tablet/laptop hybrid, possibly like the set up I described. That would be cool!

      I know this is Slashdot so this is a little against the group think but isn't what you described exactly what Microsoft is trying to do with the surface? They made 2 versions, one that is stripped down with great battery life that runs office and a web browser. Then another one that is for professionals that is a full fledged ultra book.

      I have used a surface pro 2 and it was a pretty good laptop for data viewing, though I still like a real laptop for coding work. I can see it being the only computing device someone like my wife would ever need.

      I think in the long run the tablet market will be squeezed out by phones taking away the bottom and laptops taking away the top. Because lets be honest an iPhone 6+ is a great personal Netflix viewer and a Surface Pro or Convertible Mac Book Air would be better than a tablet with a keyboard case.

    19. Re:Tablet? by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      Such people actually do exist in IT. They just aren't going to be applying for a job at a law firm.

      The people at that law firm are entirely too full of themselves (which is common enough).

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    20. Re:Tablet? by The+Fifth+Man · · Score: 2

      You worked in a place where physicians and RNs looked down on you for having a large phone? I work in a hospital and Doctors are often the ones with large phones. Maybe it's regional (I work in Maryland)

    21. Re:Tablet? by HiThere · · Score: 2

      Sorry, but while lawyers typically have a very different set of interests than most of us do, that doesn't make them stupid. Very few of them *are* stupid, though many are quite hostile to the tech mindset, and their areas of flexibility do not map well to my own. I've known a couple that I counted as friends...perhaps they counted me as friends, but I've never been sure, because one thing they do is manipulate human relations.

      You can say similar things about doctors, but they are less hostile to tech, and don't specialize in manipulating human relations, so you can generally tell whether they like you or not in a social context. But their intellgence is focused in a different way. Unlike lawyers they do deal with facts, so there is a greater overlap with the tech mindset, but most doctors also deal with (though not manipulate) relationships in such a way that I find their comments in a professional context to be untrustworthy. They say what they believe will get you to do what they want you to do on a short term basis. They call this "a good bedside manner". I don't know how they interact professionally outside of the doctor-patient relationship, but I've heard before that hospitals tend to be extremely status conscious.

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  2. Not replacing PCs after all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So will the UI makers retreat on their strategy of forcing PCs to use touch-inspired interfaces? We can only hope.

    1. Re:Not replacing PCs after all by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So will the UI makers retreat on their strategy of forcing PCs to use touch-inspired interfaces? We can only hope.

      In my case I can certainly hope *not*.

      At home and at work my Surface Pro works perfectly as a day-to-day PC with an external screen, keyboard, mouse and wired network connectivity.

      On the bus, an airplane or wherever it works great as a touch tablet. It's the only gadget I carry and need (other than my little iPhone 4s).

    2. Re:Not replacing PCs after all by Amouth · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Agree, the surface pro (especially the 3) are wonderful devices. Use it at work with a docking station and end up with 3 usable monitors (2x external + device). and when your on the road it just works great. one of the few devices that i can actually use on a plane.

      I will say also for such a thin keyboard which is used as a cover, the keys have more travel than expected and works quite well providing plenty of tactile feedback.

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  3. Also.. by SirGeek · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm not replacing my tablet every 2 - 3 years. When it comes to my phone ? Probably every 2 yearsish I'll replace it.

    1. Re:Also.. by KillAllNazis · · Score: 2

      Can you imagine what would happen to the economy if people didn't buy new shit all the time? At least the bank accounts will be huge when we're all knifing each other over the last glass of water on Earth.

    2. Re:Also.. by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 3, Informative

      What is wrong with a 4 year old smartphone that still works?

      I have a 3+ year old iPhone 4s running iOS 7.1. It still works well enough, but it's starting to show its age. More and more apps are crashy, the touchscreen is less responsive & laggy and functions in the camera don't work very well anymore. In my region its only 3G and the battery life isn't too good. I could reset it back to out-of-box, but then Apple would try to update it to iOS 8, which I don't want.

    3. Re:Also.. by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      ...the last glass of water on Earth.

      The oceans laugh in our face... *Can't touch this*

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    4. Re:Also.. by Noah+Haders · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I suspect it's bad math. People don't internalize the fact that ipads and iphones cost the same price ($500-$800), and the difference is many people sign a binding contract to pay for their phones over time. so it seems cheap to update your phone (only $200!), while expensive to update your tablet.

  4. Tablets age well by Eponymous+Coward · · Score: 2

    I have a tablet and use it all the time, but have no plans to buy a new one. I suppose if there are enough people like me, the tablet market is doomed.

    Lesson learned: don't build a good product that is going to work well for a long time.

    1. Re:Tablets age well by captjc · · Score: 2

      Same here.

      I bought an iPad 2 last year and love the thing. I found that I use it as much for work as I do for home. So I bought an Air 2 to keep at home. They both work fine and I have no need to replace them until they can no longer fulfill their purpose of checking email, browsing the web for a few hours and playing the occasional video or game. Definitely not going to replace them every 2-3 years.

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    2. Re:Tablets age well by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Lesson learned: don't build a good product that is going to work well for a long time.

      Additional lesson learned: If you accidentally build an overly reliable product, as Apple did with the original iPad, you can still sabotage it by changing connectors, making it ineligible for OS upgrades, requiring new apps to include bulky "retina" images that aren't even used yet fill up very limited flash and RAM, and (starting Jan 1st) no longer allowing compatible apps to be submitted to the Apple App Store. There are many ways to retroactively screw your customers.

  5. Market Saturation? by tysonedwards · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Couldn't it also be that Tablets are a question of reaching market saturation, and that they fall more into the PC life cycle rather than the Cell Phone life cycle of being replaced yearly? From my personal experience, everywhere I go, I see people with tablets that are a year or two old because they are "good enough", lack compelling reasons to upgrade and also are typically appear significantly more expensive than their cell phone counterparts as they are typically sold unsubsidized.

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    1. Re:Market Saturation? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Yep. High quality tablets are so cheap now that there is little reason to spend much money on an expensive one, and the one you do buy will last for years. Phones are big enough for general browsing now anyway, and for other tasks you want a keyboard.

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    2. Re:Market Saturation? by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 2

      Friend just spend $525 on a tablet and I was like "what the hell!???!". I get everything I need out of a tablet sub $200 and then a year later can buy the table she bought for sub $200. Never understood being on the bleeding edge of technology.

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    3. Re:Market Saturation? by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If I were to spend $525 for a tablet, I would keep it for 4 years. vs. Paying $200 every year and always staying a bit out of date.

      I can tolerate being out of date for a year, however I do like to reward my sacrifice with something top of the line afterwards. When I upgrade I like a noticable difference.

       

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    4. Re:Market Saturation? by OldSport · · Score: 2

      Please report to Apple HQ for reconditioning.

  6. Phone costs by rossdee · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The cost of a large smartphone is hidden by the contract.
    With a tablet you pay full price up front.

    Most of the time I am using my phone for reading, or for playing music. The Galaxy Note3 works well for that, and its more portable than my Kindle fire HDX 8.9

    1. Re:Phone costs by spire3661 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Anyone who is paying attention can get a phone without subsidizing it with the carrier. I bought my Moto G outright ($200) and then took it to T-mobile to hook up.

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  7. PC's? by hawguy · · Score: 2

    "That's not to say people will stop using tablets, but the onetime theory that they would one day cannibalize all PCs looks increasingly nebulous."

    how do you look only at data concerning tablets and phones and come to a conclusion about PC's? What did laptop and PC sales look lik compared to mobile devices? My wife uses a 2 year old tablet as her primary computing device at home... She didn't want a replacement for her laptop when it failed because she can do everything she needs on her tablet.

  8. But we're in the post-PC era!! by NotDrWho · · Score: 3, Funny

    Wired Magazine keeps saying so!

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  9. Neet toys and all by michael_rendier · · Score: 2

    but they are not made for data creation...doing graphics or coding on a tablet is a pain without getting a wireless keyboard/mouse... perhaps now we can get back to regular desktops...

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  10. Ugh by tom229 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    These marketing types are all chicken little's. Any engineer/technician could have told you this was going to happen. Tablets are not the new laptops. They are consumption devices used for a specific purpose. Everyone who wanted a tablet, now has one, so expect sales to slow. Expect content creators to keep buying laptops and desktops. And expect anyone with half a brain to keep rejecting touch unified interfaces, the "cloud", and software as a service.

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  11. Crappy article gives no real numbers. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2
    Saying that "the percentage of the market taken by device X has risen/dropped" is meaningless. You can have less of a market share and still have great growth in absolute terms. Article is Dice click-bait.

    "Show me the numbers!"

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  12. I must admit I did this... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was carrying my iPad Mini around with me to meetings and such - in addition to carrying my little phone. The Mini is about the perfect size gadget... but I was carrying two devices everywhere, one of which won't fit in many pockets. So... I decided to try using an iPhone 6+ as my one carry-around. It's definitely a compromise for some uses, but it's definitely good enough to replace the iPad for note taking in meetings, ssh'ing into a server in a pinch, or looking up info on the web when I'm away from my desk. I expect, going forward, I'll only have two devices - a biggish phone plus a light 12"-13" laptop (e.g. MacBook Air).

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  13. Hyperbole by DarthVain · · Score: 2

    Everything you just said. In addition Tablets are a niche product. Unlike personal computers, or phones, they are a "nice to have", but not really all that necessary. All that hyperbole about them replacing PC's are exactly that. They are not powerful enough, flexible enough, nor practical enough to do so.

    In addition, to all that, likely more recently the big thing killing the Tablet market is the size creep of phones. With the new iPhone 6 Plus Gigantor, the previous version of Galaxy McHuge, or even the Galaxy MegaNote the distinction between what is a "Tablet" and what is a "Phone" is a bit more blurry. What was normally an iPad Mini is really like an 6 Plus, minus phone capability, that isn't subsidized... Sooo why am I buying it again? Also many like myself probably realized, do I really need a full sized Tablet when I have a 5.5" smartphone?

    So no, I am not surprised that the market is a bit saturated, and really neither should the makers of these devices, as they are the makers of their own downfall (i.e. they make all the devices that are competing with and defeating their own Tablet sales).

    To use the age old Slashdottian car analogy, it was thought that within the Nissan car portfolio, that because the Sentra and the Altima were so similar, and were only sized slightly different, that the Sentra ate into the Altima sales because of it. There was not enough differentiation between brands to justify the price purchase. Now consider that in this analogy to be totally accurate, it would be Nissan complaining about why you are not buying a Sentra AND an Altima... (While also having a Maxima at home for long trips). :)

  14. Oh look, percentages! by Graymalkin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In a drive to be clickbait some company has decided to lie or at least massage the truth with abstract numbers. Market share has never ever and never will be a truly useful metric for the health of some market.

    Say i define a market as "portable computing devices without physical keyboards". The would cover smart phones and slate tablets. In year 1 there's a million smart phones sold and a million tablets sold. Each product segment has 50% market share. In year 2 thanks to just basic increases in demand and new features more devices are sold. This year four million phones are sold and two million tablets. Now the market share of tablets has dropped to 33% despite increasing unit sales by 100% from the previous year. Different products have different growth rates. Comparing two categories directly is rarely useful.

    As it stands the iPad still dominates the tablet market in terms of units sold even though its share of just the tablet market has decreased. This is due to expansion of the tablet market in the low end.

    Tablets were never going to replace all PCs. Anyone suggesting they would or complaining that they haven't is a fool. Tablets have replaced some PC sales but have also simply added to the computing landscape. The PCs they replaced were the ones doing the same job as the tablets: reading, basic web stuff, and light gaming. Tablets just do that job in a more portable fashion.

    Tablets in a "free fall" is just a ludicrous clickbait statement. Tablets are a form factor that was impractical for many years and are meeting that pent up demand. They're not going to replace all PCs nor will they get as ubiquitous as smart phones.

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  15. Neverending hyperbole... by MaWeiTao · · Score: 2

    I suspect too much is being read in to these numbers. For the most part updates to tablets have been incremental over the past several years. Other than a fixation in owning the latest and greatest, there's no real reason to upgrade. PC updates have stalled a lot earlier than that for the very same reason. It's not that there aren't tangible performance gains, but for what most people do the difference is negligible.

    The mistake that so-called experts have made is to assume that the purchase of gadgets is some sort of zero sum game. When PC sales stalled they assumed that it was because of some sort of technological paradigm shift. The fact is that most PCs were still perfectly serviceable. So when it came time to spend on something they gravitated towards tablets. Of course, the economy was another big factor which was largely overlooked. Although, admittedly, that doesn't seem to stop many consumers from careless spending.

    So now we're at a point where tablets have largely saturated the market and people have been using them long enough to know where their utility lies. This likely means growth is going to permanently remain modest for both PCs and tablets.

  16. Cannibalizing PCs entirely by Chas · · Score: 2

    Anyone who thought that tablets were going to cannibalize the entire PC sector were delusional at best.
    There was no way in hell this was going to happen.

    Yes, for a small segment, mainly those who can get away with cheap, lightweight laptops, a tablet was probably a better fit.

    But for any sort of power use, or business productivity? There's no way in hell a tablet was EVER going to replace high-end laptops and workstations. The form-factor was just too rigidly circumscribed and limited.

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  17. Microsoft has made their bed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Frequent, documented proof of astroturfing means that I will perpetually regard any overly positive review of a Microsoft product with suspicion. Maybe I'm hearing from a real fan or satisfied user, maybe it's just a paid employee.

    It's true, "Install Linux, problem solved!" is rarely if ever a useful answer to anything, but at least it's coming from an honestly deluded person (or a troll, but that's possible with pro-MS opinions, too), not a shill.

  18. No local coding on an iPad by tepples · · Score: 2

    cell connection means you always have email the instant you open it, and any website is available any where.

    That's also available for a laptop. And whether on a laptop or on a tablet, you still have to pay hundreds of dollars per year to a cellular carrier on top of the hundreds you already pay for cable or DSL Internet at home.

    The number of edge cases where a laptop works but an ipad doesn't work keeps on shrinking.

    But it won't shrink to zero. Because Apple will not allow a compiler on an iPad for the foreseeable future, people working in anything but Codea will still have to subscribe to cellular service and use SSH, RDP, or VNC to compile and test the programs remotely.

    1. Re:No local coding on an iPad by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 2

      however, you don't need to shrink edge cases to zero in order for the tablet market to flourish and the laptop market to languish.

      That is certainly true, and you make a fair case for your proposed set-up. In return, I offer the following more widely applicable points that would count against it:

      1. You are almost completely dependent on a working mobile data connection. We are a very long way from having a near-100% reliable connection in near-100% of useful locations here in the UK, and even when we have a connection available, it is slow and has very low data caps and very high prices for increasing the amount of data beyond that. More fundamentally, our current mobile technology simply doesn't scale up enough for everyone to work as you describe in the near future, because physics.

      2. Tablets are convenient for content consumption and light interaction, but poor for content creation. As various posters have already discussed, there is the screen size issue, but you also have the problem that no tiny keyboard designed to match a tablet will ever be very good ergonomically. Again, it might be fine for light interaction like sending the occasional short e-mail or posting on Facebook, but you aren't going to be seeing people typing at 100+wpm for whole days on these things, and even if they did there are the usual concerns about RSI and the like. Even high-end laptops seem less than ideal for these reasons relative to a proper desktop with a full-size keyboard.

      3. The software base just isn't available for tablets/on-line. The best on-line office suites and other content creation tools are far from the level of the best native ones. Now, it's true that for a lot of people, this might not matter enough to be a deal-breaker. Most people aren't power users, and some of the communication benefits for the on-line tools might be worth more than you lose with the dumbed down interfaces. But they are generally dumbed down all the same. Try writing a serious technical spec or legal document in any on-line "office suite" service I've come across and you'd be in for a lot of frustration in my experience.

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  19. Data does not suggest this at all by texas+neuron · · Score: 2

    In 2012, week before Christmas - full size tablets and small tablets were 33% of the market. iPad for the quarter was 22.9 million units. In 2013, week before Christmas - full size tablets and small tablets were 29% of the market (decline 14%). iPad for the quarter was 26 million units (growth of 14%). Of course IDC - and their made up numbers had Apple market share down from 38.2% to 33.8%. This year - 2014 - flurry has the market shrinking to 22%. Apple numbers will be out soon and my be down but collapse - complete BS. Junk tablets may be collapsing but IDC makes those numbers up so who really knows.

  20. Re:Price difference over two years by meta-monkey · · Score: 4, Informative

    It ain't exactly "subsidized." You still pay for the entire thing.

    I was off-contract with AT&T for a year with my old phone and I just opted for a Nexus 6. I thought about just buying it outright at $650, but if I signed a contract with AT&T for 2 years, I'd get the phone for only $250. Well...I've had good service with AT&T and when I tried T-Mobile it was impossible for me to make calls at home or work. No coverage. So okay, I'm not jumping ship from AT&T any time soon, anyway. The AT&T version only has 2 extra, easily uninstallable apps and is completely rootable and unlockable as any other Nexus, so vendor bloatware not a problem.

    So I buy my $250 phone. At checkout, they tell me there's a $40 "upgrade fee" that will appear on my next bill. Huh. Okay...still $290 is better than $650... I get my phone activate it, love it. A few days later I get a text from AT&T. Oh by the way...when you were off contract we were giving you a $15/month discount. But now that you're on contract, you no longer qualify for that. So your bill will go up by $15/month.

    Wait, so...let me get out my abacus here...$15/month...times 24 months...is $360...plus the $40 upgrade fee...plus the $250 out of pocket for the phone...damn it $650!

    And that's how they getcha. They always getcha...

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  21. Article misses the point. by Lumpy · · Score: 2

    My wife has an iPad 3. no reason to replace it as it does everything perfectly for her. it's fast, it has a nice screen, the battery lasts forever. Mine is the ipad 4 and it works perfectly.

    When am I going to get upgrades? when those break or there is a real reason to upgrade. My 3 year old Nexus 7 works perfectly for it's uses as well as my Surface Pro (version 1) that I use at work. No reason at all to replace them as they all still work and all still do the job.

    In fact the surface pro 3 is a joke as it's the exact same specs as the 1 maybe if they made a quad i7 that boosted up to 4ghz came with 16gb ram and had a door that I could open to replace the battery and upgrade the SSD.. I'd buy a new one. But the exact same i5, screen, ram and SSD in the new one is 100% MEH.

    In fact the Pro 1 is better than the 3. I can install linux and OSX on it if I choose to (I dual boot Win8.1 and Ubuntu) Cant do that on the 3 so it's inferior.

    They need to make tablets cheaper and break easier if they want people to buy new ones ever year. Nice fast tablet at $199? I'll buy a new one yearly. but at $699 (or $1499 for the surface) It's not going to get replaced until I really need to.

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  22. Jeezus, percentage share cannot indicate a collaps by shilly · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nerval apparently doesn't understand the difference between relative and absolute, or they'd know it's possible to shrink as a percentage while growing in absolute terms. This isn't what's happening here, but iPad sales are certainly not collapsing, and iPads are really quite an important component of the market
      http://www.statista.com/statis...

  23. It's not about HW sales, it's about usage... by FryingLizard · · Score: 2

    I'm still (very regularly) using my 2013 Nexus 7 and my kid loves her 2011 IPad and they both work perfectly. Tablets age rather well; performance and display res have been more than good for several years, and they don't get dropped down the toilet/left in a bar as much as phones.
    It would be much more useful to see data from Apple/Google on daily device usage...

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  24. Netbooks work offline better than tablets do by tepples · · Score: 2

    You're going to be paying for the Internet connectivity anyway whether it's a tethered laptop or a tablet with appropriate radio circuitry built in.

    If your device supports offline use, you don't have to pay any more than you're already paying for home Internet access. I've found laptops to be better at doing things offline than tablets running "mobile operating systems". For example, if I open a web browser, load a bunch of web pages in tabs, and close the lid, a Windows or Xubuntu laptop will still have them ready for me to read once I board the bus and bring it out of suspend. Tablets are more likely to "forget" the contents of all but the two most recently viewed tabs, instead going back to the Internet to reload the page. This is because iOS and Android are designed to avoid swapping at all costs, even if it means loss of access to data. Furthermore, an Atom laptop runs GCC at least as well as your Pentium 4-powered space heater PC used to, whereas an iPad can't run a compiler (and its output) at all because of its strict W^X policy.

  25. Flurry's numbers are bogus by saccade.com · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A comment on the linked story notes Flurry is only counting cellular activations. This ignores the majority of tablets that are WiFi only

  26. lies, damned lies and statistics by Tom · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Look, some genius "analyst" has figured out that people don't buy ten tablets per person. Next up: The food market collapses because people do not increase their daily food amount constantly.

    This fixation on "growth" as if by magic everything would grow indefinitely is the primary evil in our world today. I've seen perfectly healthy companies with good revenue and solid profits being closed because they're not growing to the amount the corporate owners wish for.

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