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Russia Says Drivers Must Not Have "Sex Disorders" To Get License

mrspoonsi writes Russia has listed transsexual and transgender people among those who will no longer qualify for driving licenses. Fetishism, exhibitionism and voyeurism are also included as "mental disorders" now barring people from driving. The government says it is tightening medical controls for drivers because Russia has too many road accidents. "Pathological" gambling and compulsive stealing are also on the list. Russian psychiatrists and human rights lawyers have condemned the move. The announcement follows international complaints about Russian harassment of gay-rights activists.

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  1. Good thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... Putin don't drive!

    1. Re:Good thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      BTW here's how they drive in Russia:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  2. Pedophiles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Will this include the typical Russian Elite who purchases small girls for sex?

    1. Re:Pedophiles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Never. Rules are for the little people. Much like the "free market", "competition", and "taking risks". That kind of nonsense is for you and me.

      For them, it's quite another story!

  3. Impaired driving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And yet alcoholism is not on this list of disorders that lead to increased road accidents...

    1. Re:Impaired driving by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 5, Funny

      And yet alcoholism is not on this list of disorders that lead to increased road accidents...

      Then there would be no Russians driving.

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  4. Re:They (well some of them) are mental disorders by C0R1D4N · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's only a disorder if it has a major negative impact on a person or society. The major negative impact from TG people is only that which society places on them and thus an unnatural impact. Simply being taboo is not a reason for discrimination against something.

  5. Takes attention away from Putin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Russian economy is collapsing, the Ruble has plumetted, all because the entire economy depend on gas and oil sales and the price of oil has dropped due to fracking.

    Putin, the election rigger, is to blame. So how do you draw attention away from Putin's failure to run the economy?

    So his spin men have chosen a minority to attack, in this case transgender people, so he can whip up the homophobic portion of Russia and get them arguing with the more tolerant people, and nobody is looking at him, his failure and his corrupt dictatorship.

  6. Here it is. Hope you can read Russian. Re:source? by De_Boswachter · · Score: 4, Informative
  7. Re:They (well some of them) are mental disorders by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's a weird criterion to use. So if my tuberculosis is under control, it's not a disease?

    Tuberculosis is contagious, and thus has a negative impact on society. Transgenderism is not contagious. If I dress up in women's lingerie, that doesn't mean you have to.

  8. hummer in a Hummer? by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

    totalled my car when driving with a very pretty lady

    "Darling, you look absolutely smashing, tonight!..."

  9. And the rules for Putin? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Fetishism, exhibitionism and voyeurism are also included as "mental disorders" now barring people from driving.

    Since Putin apparently likes to ride around half-naked on horse-back?

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  10. People who persecute others by presidenteloco · · Score: 5, Interesting

    are generally full of fear and insecurity.

    Even though they act tough.

    The Russian government is rabid with fear at the moment.

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  11. Re:Here it is. Hope you can read Russian. Re:sourc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://government.ru/media/fil...

    The second page of that document contains a list of disorders, as classified by the ICD-10, that prohibit one from driving -- numbers in the right column. The descriptions are here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICD-10_Chapter_V:_Mental_and_behavioural_disorders

    As you see, F60-F69 includes all of the following:

    (F64) Gender identity disorders
    (F64.0) Transsexualism
    (F64.1) Dual-role transvestism
    (F64.2) Gender identity disorder of childhood
    (F65) Disorders of sexual preference
    (F65.0) Sexual fetishism
    (F65.1) Fetishistic transvestism
    (F65.2) Exhibitionism
    (F65.3) Voyeurism
    (F65.4) Paedophilia
    (F65.5) Sadomasochism

  12. Re:They (well some of them) are mental disorders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Transgender people often end up having myriads of surgeries, taking many pills (often until they get cancer), seeing psychologists for years, and spend most their lives being unhappy until some time after the switch. So yeah, it's a problem for them and it goes way beyond wearing clothes. For the most part, I think society does a good job helping and understanding them. There are also many government programs in place. Maybe you don't see these things because of your own biases.

    But, as it was mentioned before, this is unrelated to driving and it seems Russia is just enacting more discrimination.

  13. Re:They (well some of them) are mental disorders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    In the US Army, this is classified as a mental disorder, and will bar one from enlisting, or could bring adverse actions for those already enlisted.

    http://www.sldn.org/pages/transgender-people-and-military-service

  14. Re:They (well some of them) are mental disorders by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And a lot of the reason for them being unhappy is how the rest of the world treats them. That's not their fault. As to the rest, well, presumably it's being done because it's better than the alternative.

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  15. Re:Homosexuality by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Informative
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  16. Transgender Persons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You don't understand the issue. You've heard of alien hand syndrome, yes? It's where your brain is telling you that your body is wrong in some way. It's not fixable and not a choice. It's not a disorder that hurts anyone else, but it will completely fuck up your life. The only way to get your brain to stop destroying everything good in your life is to change your body. No one at any point is being coddled, for most people the best outcome is a slightly better circle of hell, and only after what is invariably the worst time of your life.

    You only get one life, and for a huge percentage of transgender people, between the options of life with body dysphoria and self-mutilation, death is a preferable alternative. And yes, even if you are transgender, it's still (more or less) thought of as a mutilation, a relatively risky procedure with many drawbacks, a chance of terrible complications, and a lifetime of medication afterwards. In a few centuries when gene splicing is perfected, your style of bigotry will still exist, because it has nothing to do with the state of medical science and everything to do with rejecting others who are different. And believe it or not, no one really cares what your opinion is — no one is going to try to change your mind about it. If you think it is okay to contribute to the torment and suicide of other people, we clearly have opposite notions of morality, but so be it. What we are going to do is insist that you not be a bigoted asshole in public, and especially not in public office and public legislation.

  17. Re:Counter Logic by MadKeithV · · Score: 5, Funny

    no longer quality for driving...transgender...because Russia has too many road accidents

    Man, I'd be a better driver with my wanker removed. "Distractuious" women have caused most of my near misses.

    Could have been worse - could have been complete mrs.

  18. Sadly, this will probably be popular in Russia. by Bearhouse · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Which is the point...Putin is an unreconstructed Chekist and will continue to distract his oppressed population with this and other nonsense, plus of course more serious meddling like Ukraine and Syria.
    Since the average Russian is typically homophobic, racist, and "patriotic", this is an easy play.
    Putin is mired in corruption, has totally failed to deliver on economic & political reforms and re-balancing the economy and the Ruble is tanking in the wake of falling oil prices.

    So expect plenty more of this rubbish.

    Actually improving road safety would involve "hard" stuff like tackling endemic police and court corruption, drink driving (although the legal limit is theoretically zero), anti-social attitudes and quasi-mafia idiots driving too fast in SUVs equipped with automatic weapons and large lights on the back specifically designed to blind people following them.

    Ever wondered why you see so many youtube videos of "funny" things on Russian roads? It's because many people have dashboard cams to support their case with the insurance company when the inevitable accident happens; it really is that bad.

  19. Great idea by argStyopa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You know, maybe next we should just put them all in camps, concentrate them, so they're away from "decent" people. And then, perhaps, make them wear something so we all know who they are, like a pink triangle or something?

    Of course, these are all just temporary measures; I'm sure we'll ultimately come up with a better Final Solution...

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  20. Re:Counter Logic by clickety6 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Actually totalled my car when driving with a very pretty lady

    Did you panic when she started deflating?

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  21. Re:Here it is. Hope you can read Russian. Re:sourc by Thor+Ablestar · · Score: 5, Informative

    From Wikipedia:
    (F64) Gender identity disorders
            (F64.0) Transsexualism
            (F64.1) Dual-role transvestism
            (F64.2) Gender identity disorder of childhood
    (F65) Disorders of sexual preference
            (F65.0) Sexual fetishism
            (F65.1) Fetishistic transvestism
            (F65.2) Exhibitionism
            (F65.3) Voyeurism
            (F65.4) Paedophilia
            (F65.5) Sadomasochism
            (F65.6) Multiple disorders of sexual preference
            (F65.8) Other disorders of sexual preference Frotteurism Necrophilia Zoophilia
    (F66) Psychological and behavioural disorders associated with sexual development and orientation
            (F66.0) Sexual maturation disorder
            (F66.1) Ego-dystonic sexual orientation
            (F66.2) Sexual relationship disorder
            (F66.8) Other psychosexual development disorders
            (F66.9) Psychosexual development disorder, unspecified

    Quotes from ICD-10 itself:
    Fetish objects vary in their importance to the individual. In some cases they simply serve to enhance sexual excitement achieved in ordinary ways (e.g. having the partner wear a particular garment).
    Sexual orientation by itself is not to be regarded as a disorder.

    In other words: If you are GAY you may drive. But if you are excited when your wife wears high heels then you are disqualified.

    Full disclosure: I live in Russia.

  22. Re: They (well some of them) are mental disorders by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

    pshycology

    Why are you typing in a Sean Connery accent?

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