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In Paris, Terrorists Kill 2 More, Take At Least 7 Hostages
As reported by The Daily Beast, news on the ongoing terror attack (or attacks) in Paris. Chérif and Saïd Kouachi, who are accused of slaughtering 12 in an attack on Charlie Hebdo magazine, have been cornered by hundreds of security officials close to Charles de Gaulle Airport, north of Paris. Officials say they believe the heavily armed brothers are holding one hostage.
Twenty miles south, in the east of the city, at least one gunman is believed to have taken six hostages at a Jewish store. Police suspect that the third gunman is the same man who shot and killed a policewoman on Thursday morning before escaping in a bulletproof vest. Update: 01/09 17:44 GMT by T : And now all three of the gunmen involved in today's hostage taking are dead.
Watch this space for updates.
Update: 01/09 17:15 GMT by T : CNN's story features a stream of updates (and an autoplaying video ad to beware), as does The Telegraph. Latest news is that brothers Cherif and Said Kouachi have been killed by police, but it's unclear whether the same is true of the third hostage-taker.
They denounce it all the time. For some reason it almost never gets reported in the press.
Because nerds are (generally) supportive of nonviolence and tolerance for unpopular ideas to promote intellectual and creative freedom, and these mindless idiot fundamentalist thugs are the enemy of that and will destroy it if they can. Is it clearer now?
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Both brothers are dead and their hostage is freed
before escaping in a bulletproof vest.
because it's rather impressive that one of the terrorists made a makeshift vehicle using only a bulletproof vest.
Norway's Christians didn't have to apologise for Anders Breivik, and it's the same for Muslims now.
Reported a few minutes ago, all three terrorists are dead.
OK, here's a recent article about a US lawyer who has friends in ISIS and was negotiating with them for the release of a hostage, the American aid worker Peter Kassig who was ultimately murdered by ISIS. The terms of the proposed hostage release:
Citation:
http://forward.com/articles/211631/stanley-cohens-radical-detour-on-the-way-to-prison/?p=all
So yeah, there are some influential Muslims who speak out, but you know, they can get murdered also for doing so. How many non-Muslim people do you know who will open themselves up to terrorist attack to speak out against injustice?
Courage is in short supply in this world no matter the religious affiliation, ethnic group, skin color, etc.
I'm glad karma took the quick route for once. For islamic fundamentalists to die in a kosher store and in a printing press after attacking a magazine. Can't beat that.
That stuff isn't always fact-checked or verified. What you get with /. is the second-to-none integrity of the information that's provided.
This is directly related to a story about people who want to censor certain information.
Freedom of speech is as important to geeks as it is to journalists. We design, build and maintain the code and the hardware that journalists use to put out the stories to the public. Back in the print days most people didn't give a crap about what was printed in one country, or even in the next town over. Now we, the computer nerds of the world, have enabled a huge revolution in communication that is affecting entire countries, societies and religions. And we keep creating new ways to share information every day. Control of information, censorship, freedom of speech and the press are hugely intertwined with our nerd lives and livelihoods.
Remember when anti-free-speech advocates tried to censor music lyrics? I do. Remember when they tried to ban many video games? I do. Remember wen they started shooting people who published satirical cartoons? Computer nerds like us are all about moving bits of information around. We thrive on information, data and ideas. It's what we're all about. And these shootings are a direct result of people trying to restrict the free exchange of ideas, which is the foundation of modern society.
Any computer nerd, in fact anyone who appreciates their modern life, should want to know about anyone who is threatening the free flow of information.
It's usually half-assed. Like here's our local muslim leader
The chairman of the Muslim community in Trondheim deplore terrorism in Paris, but calls while stricter rules for what the media can publish.
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Chilwan believes it is asking for trouble when the media continues to publish images that Charlie Hebdo does.
- This has happened before in Denmark. We know that the consequences are dramatic. Why you should always pour fuel on the fire, ask Chilwan.
Chilwan calls therefore stricter rules in the media for what can be published.
- To adopt a law for this is too strong. But I think the ethical rules of the press must be defined in a better manner, where one agrees some ethical and moral values so that no one feels offended. It would be better for society, says Chilwan.
Lots of victim-blaming for provoking muslims, clear references that terror should be expected, calls for self-censorship and so on. Fuck him. Fuck all muslims that think like him. And they're not extremists and outcasts in the muslim comunity, they're leaders of mainstream organizations. Journalists and most of society just refuses to acknowledge that the "moderate" muslims are actually fringe radicals that don't have much popular support.
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Christianity is not much better, if you actually read the bible. Thankfully most churches ignore the parts of the bible that promote exactly the same actions that we criticize "radical Muslims" for... but then again, most Muslims also ignore those parts of the Koran. The difference is that there seem to be fewer "radical Christians" that interpret the bible literally, otherwise we'd be getting it from both sides.
However, if there were more radical Christians, maybe people would realize that Islam isn't the issue... it's religion as a whole that's the problem.
Check out Deuteronomy 20 some day, before you reply.
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You mean like this?
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/201...
Second-to-none, as in it's the literally the second option in terms of integrity, with "none" as the better option? :p
well there was the abortion clining bombing from a few years back. not to mention the naacp bombing from earlier this week. All religion is garbage. They all have their fundamentalists.
Yeah, because everyone with a fucking grievance grabs an AK-47 and shoots up a magazine don't they love?
Just what the hell does it take to knock some common sense into these bloody liberals??
Irony: right-wingers complaining about left-wingers painting them as violent lunatics and then threatening them with violence.
Of course, in the interest of literal correctness, you didn't threaten to shoot them up with an AK-47. So it's grazing irony, not center-of-mass double-tap irony.
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This was the deadliest massacre in Europe since the mass shootings in Norway in 2011.
You know, the ones by a Christian extremist, from the religion of peace and tolerance.
Queue up people claiming that he was just fucked in the head, not Christian, but don't understand the same argument applies to the fuck-ups in France.
Norway's Christians didn't have to apologise for Anders Breivik, and it's the same for Muslims now.
That's comparing apples and oranges, Breivik for the most part killed Norwegian Christians belonging to a political youth party that he felt was "selling out" the country. Of the list of his 77 victims there's 11 with names I'd generally consider foreign leaving 66 that probably were ethnically Norwegian, from statistics around 80% would be nominally Christians. I say nominally because many belong to the state church without being very religious at all, but they wouldn't have any other religious affiliation. His action was more like the Muslim-on-Muslim slaughter in Pakistan, killing our own "fallen" over ideology.
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Hell, if it's actually funny, we'll laugh along. I live in the Bible Belt, and no one I knows is offended by God telling King Arthur to stop grovelling. "It's like those miserable psalms. They're so depressing. Now knock it off." It's hilarious. Imagine Mohammed saying something like that on Arab TV. People would die, and not the laughing sort.
All he (and other xtian morons) want is to blame all muslims for the actions of some, but with the option of NOT blaming all christians for the actions of some.
Hence the "Why don't they speak up?" meme.
How many xtians do you hear decrying WBC? None. How about the killings of gay men in Africa by christians? Silent on that too.
Thing is, if you ASK them, they'll decry it, but they don't (And should not) feel the need to keep banging on about how they don't like that. They DO expect (and should not) Muslims to do so, though.
whoosh
That's one fast vest!
More from the religion of peace and tolerance.
Queue up people bringing up the Holy Crusades and other things that took place a good 300 years ago
You have selective memory, why bring up the crusades when all one has to do is bring up the Bosnian war and the Kosovo wars. There were a whole lot of people involved in the Pogroms against the Bosnian moslems who claimed they were doing it among other things to defend Christianity.
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Complaining about the irrelevance of stories is a time honored tradition here, along with grammar nazis and tired memes.
Why were they not taken out with some kind of sleep darts instead of lead bullets?
Because "sleep darts" don't work in real life like they do in bad movies. These guys are holding hostages at gunpoint and swearing they're going to go down shooting. The cops didn't want another Sidney, where the crazy Islamist wackadoo had time (it only takes a moment, right?) to kill a hostage before being incapacitated.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
Nice try.
But when taken in context of the entire speech, its not what you try to twist it into.
The speech was condemning all of the hatred and bigotry.
The relevent section of the speech:
It is time to leave the call of violence and the politics of division behind. On so many issues, we face a choice between the promise of the future, or the prisons of the past. And we cannot afford to get it wrong. We must seize this moment. And America stands ready to work with all who are willing to embrace a better future.
The future must not belong to those who target Coptic Christians in Egypt — it must be claimed by those in Tahrir Square who chanted, "Muslims, Christians, we are one." The future must not belong to those who bully women — it must be shaped by girls who go to school, and those who stand for a world where our daughters can live their dreams just like our sons.
The future must not belong to those corrupt few who steal a country's resources — it must be won by the students and entrepreneurs, the workers and business owners who seek a broader prosperity for all people. Those are the women and men that America stands with; theirs is the vision we will support.
The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam. But to be credible, those who condemn that slander must also condemn the hate we see in the images of Jesus Christ that are desecrated, or churches that are destroyed, or the Holocaust that is denied.
Let us condemn incitement against Sufi Muslims and Shiite pilgrims. It's time to heed the words of Gandhi: "Intolerance is itself a form of violence and an obstacle to the growth of a true democratic spirit." Together, we must work towards a world where we are strengthened by our differences, and not defined by them. That is what America embodies, that's the vision we will support.
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The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
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Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
Meh, everyone is aware that there are illegal guns, they're used in bank robberies and jewelry store heists and such. But for the average petty thief, robber or burglar they're not worth the cost/risk and apart from hunters during hunting season the risk of running into an armed person is basically zero. And the ones who go postal tend to stab the first one or two persons to death before they can get away, they don't rack up 10+ deaths with a gun. And yes there are less accidental lethal stabbings than gun accidents.
Unless I'm mistaken there were already two "friendly" guns here, the lifeguard and the police officer shot in the street. It doesn't do much against people in body armor with rifles who have the choice of venue and timing, element of surprise and will kill mercilessly. There'll always be soft targets, you can't protect everyone, all the time against an armed assault. Following the "everyone has guns brings peace" should mean there was hardly any gang violence at all, since the other side has guns too you wouldn't attack them right? Right? Doesn't work that way.
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That should be grammar Nazis.
Slashdot will really be in trouble if Natalie Portman ever goes into politics.
The LEAST I now expect is for the relevant Muslim leaders to condemn that shit. To declare a fatwa that such behavior is un-Islam and that it is against Islam teachings.
Anything less is at the very least acceptance if not support for this behavior. And that should be enough to discuss forbidding a cult that accepts or supports what we in the western world consider the foundation of being able to live together.
And when we're done with that, let's take a closer look at that Westboro Baptist Church and whether we can get rid of those loonies too while we're at it.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Jeez, I'd really like to meet this Cmdrtaco guy who carried out the strike on Iraq, arrested Saddam Hussein and won the presidency for Obama!
First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win. -Gandhi
You sure about that? A few minutes with Google implies that Texas has more gun deaths per capita than New York, which seems to completely contradict your point. Actually, I see more pro-gun states in the top 10 than anti-gun states.
Actually, the strongest indicator (in my completely unscientific glance) is poverty, not gun laws. But hey, you can keep on blaming minorities, cities, and gun-control. And I suspect you will.
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isn't it hilarious how MI-5 says these attacks show why they need even more super powers... yet forget the fact they had these guys on watch lists for years. I mean, even Santa checks the list twice, right?
I can point to twelve pretty quickly.
Egypt's president called for a religious revolution against extremism.
Now we'll see if others start echoing this...
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
... the rejection of being a part of a civilized society
Look, no matter if we are talking about the ancient Jewish texts (the Torah) or the Christian texts (the New Testaments) or the Islamic texts (the Koran) they all contain verses which are really despicable
The difference is that many Moslems today are still preferring to stick with and practice those despicable texts from their Koran, rather than choosing to live like civilized human beings with civilized mindset ; Whilst most of the Jews and the Christians have opted to become civilized
Even among many of those so-called 'moderate Moslems', they too secretly harbor the same sentiment that the Moslems are 'more superior" than the infidels; That the only useful value of the infidels is to become slaves for them, the superior Moslems
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Breivik was also arrested and prosecuted by Norwegian Christians, and anyone who would express sympathy or support for him would be denounced and shunned.
Of course there are crazies in the western world as well. Christians who bomb abortion clinics. But these people are a much, much smaller percentage of the populace, and the vast, vast majority of the populace not only condemns their actions, but would speak out against anybody advocating for such violence, and would report to the authorities anyone they suspected of planning violence. And then western (amongst them Christian) authorities would arrest and prosecute them and western (amongst them Christian) juries would convict them.
Islamic terrorism must be stopped. But we in the west can't do it. We're not in the mosques in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan and wherever else the terrorists are indoctrinated and radicalized. We're not the terrorists' neighbors and family members. But the muslims who say "we don't support this!" are. It's going on in your mosques, it's going on in your families and your neighborhoods. It's not enough to say "we don't support it." You have to have a collective political will to ferret it out and put a stop to it.
If somebody at my church were inciting people to violence, ya know what I'd do? I'd report it. And the media would shine a big light on the crazy things coming out of that church and people would talk about how awful what they were saying is, and if you were a member of that church people would think you were crazy and push you out of their lives. And if I thought somebody in my community was planning violence, you know what I'd do? I'd call the cops. They'd investigate and arrest the guy for attempted whatever. And we'd splash him on the news and everybody would say how great it was that I turned him in and what a great job the cops did stopping this guy. Because that's our culture.
It isn't enough for the peaceful muslims to say "we don't support this." They need to work to change their culture to actively stop it.
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.