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In Paris, Terrorists Kill 2 More, Take At Least 7 Hostages
As reported by The Daily Beast, news on the ongoing terror attack (or attacks) in Paris. Chérif and Saïd Kouachi, who are accused of slaughtering 12 in an attack on Charlie Hebdo magazine, have been cornered by hundreds of security officials close to Charles de Gaulle Airport, north of Paris. Officials say they believe the heavily armed brothers are holding one hostage.
Twenty miles south, in the east of the city, at least one gunman is believed to have taken six hostages at a Jewish store. Police suspect that the third gunman is the same man who shot and killed a policewoman on Thursday morning before escaping in a bulletproof vest. Update: 01/09 17:44 GMT by T : And now all three of the gunmen involved in today's hostage taking are dead.
Watch this space for updates.
Update: 01/09 17:15 GMT by T : CNN's story features a stream of updates (and an autoplaying video ad to beware), as does The Telegraph. Latest news is that brothers Cherif and Said Kouachi have been killed by police, but it's unclear whether the same is true of the third hostage-taker.
The moderate Muslims need to more loudly denouce this shit.
Or the assumption will be they agree with the acts of barbarity done in the name of their god.
Because nerds are (generally) supportive of nonviolence and tolerance for unpopular ideas to promote intellectual and creative freedom, and these mindless idiot fundamentalist thugs are the enemy of that and will destroy it if they can. Is it clearer now?
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"Watch this space for updates."
If only there were places on the web one could go to watch live streaming coverage of event such as this, or liveblogs. Or a service where small messages containing updates could be broadcast to other users, searchable by special keywords called "hashtags"....
Please help metamoderate.
Both brothers are dead and their hostage is freed
another shining example of diversity and multiculturalism.
before escaping in a bulletproof vest.
because it's rather impressive that one of the terrorists made a makeshift vehicle using only a bulletproof vest.
Slashdot has been posting political stories that have nothing to do with technology for well over a decade. Also the "news for nerds" subtitle was long since removed from the title of the site.
Reported a few minutes ago, all three terrorists are dead.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/jan/09/charlie-hebdo-manhunt-kouachi-terrorist-links-live-updates
Go out, and spread the religion by any peaceful means necessary. If your friend won't accept Allah, peacefully flog him in the streets. If someone insults Allah, peacefully remove his head. If a group refuses to convert to Islam, very peacefully bring your guns and bombs and peacefully kill as many of them as you can. If possible, obtain a peaceful nuclear weapon, and detonate it peacefully in their cities. They will be at peace. We bring them PEACE in the name of Allah!
Look where all this talking got us, baby.
Because nerds are (generally) supportive of nonviolence and tolerance for unpopular ideas to promote intellectual and creative freedom, and these mindless idiot fundamentalist thugs are the enemy of that and will destroy it if they can. Is it clearer now?
Looking back upon Slashdot history (you know, back when it was News for Nerds), I'd say it's about as clear as fucking mud.
That line you attempt to draw between relevance (Freedom of Speech issue) and Slashdot is practically anorexic, and I can get my usual OMGWTF News from a million other sites online that are in charge of the OMGWTF reporting.
Wanna talk Slashdot with this? How about MI5's move to become an even Bigger Brother with surveillance laws. THAT would be a relevant sub-topic to discuss here, not death tolls and weapons calibers.
In summary, look at the Slashdot of yesteryear before claiming relevance today. No wonder people bitch about how far we've fallen.
Doesn't matter, does it? Every time there is some mass shooting in the US, someone says it's because the gun laws aren't strict enough even though they rarely obtained the weapon legally.
Gamingmuseum.com: Give your 3D accelerator a rest.
I'm glad karma took the quick route for once. For islamic fundamentalists to die in a kosher store and in a printing press after attacking a magazine. Can't beat that.
This is directly related to a story about people who want to censor certain information.
Freedom of speech is as important to geeks as it is to journalists. We design, build and maintain the code and the hardware that journalists use to put out the stories to the public. Back in the print days most people didn't give a crap about what was printed in one country, or even in the next town over. Now we, the computer nerds of the world, have enabled a huge revolution in communication that is affecting entire countries, societies and religions. And we keep creating new ways to share information every day. Control of information, censorship, freedom of speech and the press are hugely intertwined with our nerd lives and livelihoods.
Remember when anti-free-speech advocates tried to censor music lyrics? I do. Remember when they tried to ban many video games? I do. Remember wen they started shooting people who published satirical cartoons? Computer nerds like us are all about moving bits of information around. We thrive on information, data and ideas. It's what we're all about. And these shootings are a direct result of people trying to restrict the free exchange of ideas, which is the foundation of modern society.
Any computer nerd, in fact anyone who appreciates their modern life, should want to know about anyone who is threatening the free flow of information.
I heard some standard issue left wing apologist halfwit on the radio here this morning in the UK trot out the usual "it was society's fault" rubbish. Yeah, because everyone with a fucking grievance grabs an AK-47 and shoots up a magazine don't they love?
Just what the hell does it take to knock some common sense into these bloody liberals??
Christianity is not much better, if you actually read the bible. Thankfully most churches ignore the parts of the bible that promote exactly the same actions that we criticize "radical Muslims" for... but then again, most Muslims also ignore those parts of the Koran. The difference is that there seem to be fewer "radical Christians" that interpret the bible literally, otherwise we'd be getting it from both sides.
However, if there were more radical Christians, maybe people would realize that Islam isn't the issue... it's religion as a whole that's the problem.
Check out Deuteronomy 20 some day, before you reply.
I used to have a sig, but I set it free and it never came back.
Because nerds are (generally) supportive of nonviolence and tolerance for unpopular ideas to promote intellectual and creative freedom, and these mindless idiot fundamentalist thugs are the enemy of that and will destroy it if they can. Is it clearer now?
Looking back upon Slashdot history (you know, back when it was News for Nerds), I'd say it's about as clear as fucking mud.
You're forgetting the rest: News for nerds, stuff that matters. This is stuff that matters. As another example Osama Bin Laden Reported Dead, Body In US Hands got 1,855 comments, the most for any story I've submitted. Stuff that matters is subjective, but obviously a lot of people thought this mattered.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
And look who clicked.
The only thing more pathetic than clickbait are the fucktards who immediately turn up to shout "Clickbait!"
At any rate, this is a serious issue because these sorts of terrorists takes inevitably lead to governments making laws and policies that adversely affect our liberties.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
That's actually not good news. They were much more valuable alive.
Actually, the reason to take them alive would be to gather information about their network.
well there was the abortion clining bombing from a few years back. not to mention the naacp bombing from earlier this week. All religion is garbage. They all have their fundamentalists.
This was the deadliest massacre in Europe since the mass shootings in Norway in 2011.
You know, the ones by a Christian extremist, from the religion of peace and tolerance.
Queue up people claiming that he was just fucked in the head, not Christian, but don't understand the same argument applies to the fuck-ups in France.
Send a message to their 7th-century brethren:
"You do this, you rot in hell for all eternity."
Wanna be a murderous religious whack job? We'll use that against you.
Maybe - just maybe - doing things like that will drag Islam into the 21st century.
In summary, look at the Slashdot of yesteryear before claiming relevance today.
I guess you missed my UID.
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Hell, if it's actually funny, we'll laugh along. I live in the Bible Belt, and no one I knows is offended by God telling King Arthur to stop grovelling. "It's like those miserable psalms. They're so depressing. Now knock it off." It's hilarious. Imagine Mohammed saying something like that on Arab TV. People would die, and not the laughing sort.
whoosh
That's one fast vest!
France does not even have true freedom of speech.
Conservatives did try to murder the NEA [arts.gov] over that!
Actually, I believe they tried to stop the government from forcing people to pay for having such art made. Some people saw the creation of Piss Christ as being outside the role of the federal government. Crazy, I know.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
More from the religion of peace and tolerance.
Queue up people bringing up the Holy Crusades and other things that took place a good 300 years ago
You have selective memory, why bring up the crusades when all one has to do is bring up the Bosnian war and the Kosovo wars. There were a whole lot of people involved in the Pogroms against the Bosnian moslems who claimed they were doing it among other things to defend Christianity.
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Complaining about the irrelevance of stories is a time honored tradition here, along with grammar nazis and tired memes.
You can't dismiss it as trolling, I've seen numerous anti-Muslim comments receive up-mods these last few days. And speaking of trolling:
Europe maintains their civilization quite well without having to have every citizen feel they have to be armed to the teeth. Even comparing death toll to death toll, what happened in France is less than the amount of people eating lead in an hour in Chicago
Nice anti-American slam you've got there. As if gun control/RKBA has anything at all to do with the issue at hand.
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
Why were they not taken out with some kind of sleep darts instead of lead bullets?
Because "sleep darts" don't work in real life like they do in bad movies. These guys are holding hostages at gunpoint and swearing they're going to go down shooting. The cops didn't want another Sidney, where the crazy Islamist wackadoo had time (it only takes a moment, right?) to kill a hostage before being incapacitated.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
Nice try.
But when taken in context of the entire speech, its not what you try to twist it into.
The speech was condemning all of the hatred and bigotry.
The relevent section of the speech:
It is time to leave the call of violence and the politics of division behind. On so many issues, we face a choice between the promise of the future, or the prisons of the past. And we cannot afford to get it wrong. We must seize this moment. And America stands ready to work with all who are willing to embrace a better future.
The future must not belong to those who target Coptic Christians in Egypt — it must be claimed by those in Tahrir Square who chanted, "Muslims, Christians, we are one." The future must not belong to those who bully women — it must be shaped by girls who go to school, and those who stand for a world where our daughters can live their dreams just like our sons.
The future must not belong to those corrupt few who steal a country's resources — it must be won by the students and entrepreneurs, the workers and business owners who seek a broader prosperity for all people. Those are the women and men that America stands with; theirs is the vision we will support.
The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam. But to be credible, those who condemn that slander must also condemn the hate we see in the images of Jesus Christ that are desecrated, or churches that are destroyed, or the Holocaust that is denied.
Let us condemn incitement against Sufi Muslims and Shiite pilgrims. It's time to heed the words of Gandhi: "Intolerance is itself a form of violence and an obstacle to the growth of a true democratic spirit." Together, we must work towards a world where we are strengthened by our differences, and not defined by them. That is what America embodies, that's the vision we will support.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-...
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
Please, tell me what other site I can get Slashdot comments from?
reddit
*duck*
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
It's not about religion. The entire middle-east region is still stuck in the middle-ages (kings, feudal-loyalties, torture, little-respect for human life, no freedom of speech, etc). In terms of worldview, they're very backwards, to the point they think it's ok to kill people for disagreeing with you.
Ghaddafi would have still oppressed his people if he were Christian, Assad would be no less cruel if he were atheist or christian; neither of those is the reason for his cruelty.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Looking back upon Slashdot history (you know, back when it was News for Nerds ),
Way back then, it used to be Nudes for Nerds
You must be Nude here . . .
Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
Slashdot posted 911, so how exactly is this any different? Oh, because most slashdotters are American, it automatically becomes relevant, whereas when it happens to someone else, "how the fuck is this for nerds"? The truth is, big news specifically regarding military and terrorism usually gets a passing article link through Slashdot, and if you're really that hard done by for it, just skip the post.
Bye!
Meh, everyone is aware that there are illegal guns, they're used in bank robberies and jewelry store heists and such. But for the average petty thief, robber or burglar they're not worth the cost/risk and apart from hunters during hunting season the risk of running into an armed person is basically zero. And the ones who go postal tend to stab the first one or two persons to death before they can get away, they don't rack up 10+ deaths with a gun. And yes there are less accidental lethal stabbings than gun accidents.
Unless I'm mistaken there were already two "friendly" guns here, the lifeguard and the police officer shot in the street. It doesn't do much against people in body armor with rifles who have the choice of venue and timing, element of surprise and will kill mercilessly. There'll always be soft targets, you can't protect everyone, all the time against an armed assault. Following the "everyone has guns brings peace" should mean there was hardly any gang violence at all, since the other side has guns too you wouldn't attack them right? Right? Doesn't work that way.
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
That should be grammar Nazis.
"Assad would be no less cruel if he were atheist or christian"
Religion does not factor into Assad's cruelty - he's a DENTIST!
Eloi are stupid, throw morlocks at them!
Slashdot will really be in trouble if Natalie Portman ever goes into politics.
whoosh
That's one fast vest!
It must be a hybrid
I'm a minority race. Save your vitriol for white people.
The LEAST I now expect is for the relevant Muslim leaders to condemn that shit. To declare a fatwa that such behavior is un-Islam and that it is against Islam teachings.
Anything less is at the very least acceptance if not support for this behavior. And that should be enough to discuss forbidding a cult that accepts or supports what we in the western world consider the foundation of being able to live together.
And when we're done with that, let's take a closer look at that Westboro Baptist Church and whether we can get rid of those loonies too while we're at it.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Jeez, I'd really like to meet this Cmdrtaco guy who carried out the strike on Iraq, arrested Saddam Hussein and won the presidency for Obama!
First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win. -Gandhi
You sure about that? A few minutes with Google implies that Texas has more gun deaths per capita than New York, which seems to completely contradict your point. Actually, I see more pro-gun states in the top 10 than anti-gun states.
Actually, the strongest indicator (in my completely unscientific glance) is poverty, not gun laws. But hey, you can keep on blaming minorities, cities, and gun-control. And I suspect you will.
Kevin
isn't it hilarious how MI-5 says these attacks show why they need even more super powers... yet forget the fact they had these guys on watch lists for years. I mean, even Santa checks the list twice, right?
Actually a great example of how NOT to deal with immigration. Or cultural differences altogether.
We're currently seemingly trying our best to ensure that we'll get as many religiously motivated attacks as possible. First, before the whole shit, we ignored them. They were convenient slave laborers, but little more. We let them come into the country and give them the menial jobs that we don't want. We let them toil for pennies and if they as much as complained, we laughed at them, if we not outright ignored them. We used them as the footrest and did our best to ensure they were kept down under the thumb.
Then they fucking exploded. Quite literally so. They went "boom motherfucker" and blew up our shit. And now suddenly we notice them, and we invite their "religious leaders" to ethic talks and want to know their point of view, we take them seriously and now suddenly we want to understand their point and we seek the dialogue with them.
Is it me or is that about as wrong a message as we can possibly send? "We ignore you if you want to talk with us, but if you shoot at us, we come groveling for peace".
Really?
That's how you get your voice heard in our civilized world today? Hey, I can adapt. Occupy Wall Street? Hope that they'll talk if we show them how we don't agree with the shit they dump on us? Forget that petty crap, grab your guns and blow shit up if you want to be taken seriously!
Not that I condone that in any way. But I do get the impression that this is the message here.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
The Last Temptation, on the other hand...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
There are plenty of radical Christians who interpret the bible literally, including the nasty parts. There are just fewer (by no means none) who care to die for their convictions.
Christianity is older than Islam. It had some pretty nasty times, then it mellowed. It seems to be getting more violent again though.
Egypt's president called for a religious revolution against extremism.
Now we'll see if others start echoing this...
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
True, but the areas that would deliver fastest results -- near the subclavian artery, jugular, femoral artery, etc. -- are typically not protected by armor.
So....you're suggesting that we should try to precisely hit those zone without second chance of a potentially moving target with tranquilizer dart at what, 100 meter?
And tranquilizer dart aren't exactly a "sniper-accuracy" type of munition either. Those can't be shoot at +1000 kmh.
Elok
Nonsense. I've had leaders of at least three major Christian sects tell me that the bible is the literal word of god, written down by divinely inspired men. Including the pornographic poem in the middle of it.
Great. Now I have to go read the bible.
Or at least the middle of it.
Actually, the reason to take them alive would be to gather information about their network.
Assuming there is one... Granted assault rifles and bullet proof vests aren't easy to come by (in Europe). This still isn't at a level of sophistication that indicates the support of a larger organization.
One question that is left on my mind is how much did French intelligence know up front; did they know about the assault rifles...
Not that I would expect them to catch every terrorist and stop every crazy person; that is not realistic.
Then they fucking exploded.
No, the ones that explode are generally 2nd generation kids that never had an honest job in their life.
... the rejection of being a part of a civilized society
Look, no matter if we are talking about the ancient Jewish texts (the Torah) or the Christian texts (the New Testaments) or the Islamic texts (the Koran) they all contain verses which are really despicable
The difference is that many Moslems today are still preferring to stick with and practice those despicable texts from their Koran, rather than choosing to live like civilized human beings with civilized mindset ; Whilst most of the Jews and the Christians have opted to become civilized
Even among many of those so-called 'moderate Moslems', they too secretly harbor the same sentiment that the Moslems are 'more superior" than the infidels; That the only useful value of the infidels is to become slaves for them, the superior Moslems
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
I know! Aren't all cops anesthesiologists who know the exact amount of non-existent anesthetic to administer through their perfectly placed tranq darts such that it will instantly send the bad guys into sleepytimeland without killing them or merely making them drowsy yet obviously threatened and desperate to take action before they're unconscious?
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
Religion and Peace are like polar opposites when you look at the grand picture throughout history.
Do you have a reading comprehension issue? We are talking about ISLAM, not other religions which do not go around killing people for being offended.
Jesus was a compassionate social conservative who called individuals to sin no more.
Ok, so you're about to enter the room against 2 dudes that spent a while in Africa getting trained by battle hardened terrorists. They have body armor and 7.62×39mm rounds that easily pierce most body armor on the planet. Here's your dart gun... GO!
People do commit violence and terrorist acts in the name of Jesus Christ. The KKK is a notable example of this.
Here are just a few recent examples of terrorist acts committed by Christians for religious reasons that I was able to find with very little research:
Sabra and Shatila massacre
Maronite Christian militias perpetrated the Karantina and Tel al-Zaatar massacres of Palestinians and Lebanese Muslims during Lebanon's 1975–1990 civil war. The 1982 Sabra and Shatila massacre, which targeted unarmed Palestinian refugees for rape and murder, was considered to be genocide by the United Nations General Assembly.[44] A British photographer present during the incident said that "People who committed the acts of murder that I saw that day were wearing [crucifixes] and were calling themselves Christians."[45] After the end of the civil war, Christian militias refused to disband, concentrating in the Israeli-occupied south of the country, where they terrorized Muslim and Druze villages and forcefully recruited men and boys from those communities into their groups.[46]
Utøya Island killings
In July 2011, Anders Behring Breivik was arrested and charged with terrorism after a car bombing in Oslo and a mass shooting on Utøya island that killed 77 people. Hours prior to the events, Breivik released a 1,500-page manifesto detailing his beliefs that immigrants were undermining Norway's traditional Christian values, and identifying himself as a "Christian crusader" while describing himself as not very religious.[73][74] Although initial news reports described him as a Christian fundamentalist,[75][76] subsequent analyses of his motivations have noted that he did not only display Christian terrorist inclinations, but also had non-religious, right-wing beliefs.[77][78] Mark Juergensmeyer and John Mark Reynolds have stated that the events were Christian terrorism,[79][80] whereas Brad Hirschfield has rejected the Christian terrorist label.[81]
Lord's Resistance Army
The Lord's Resistance Army, a cult and guerrilla army, was engaged in an armed rebellion against the Ugandan government in 2005. It has been accused of using child soldiers and of committing numerous crimes against humanity; including massacres, abductions, mutilation, torture, rape, and using forced child labourers as soldiers, porters, and sex slaves.[82] A quasi-religious movement that mixes some aspects of Christian beliefs with its own brand of spiritualism,[83][84] it is led by Joseph Kony, who proclaims himself the spokesperson of God and a spirit medium, primarily of the "Holy Spirit" which the Acholi believe can represent itself in many manifestations.[85][85][86][87] LRA fighters wear rosary beads and recite passages from the Bible before battle.[83][88][89][90][91][92]
Christian Identity and anti-abortion killings
After 1981, members of groups such as the Army of God began attacking abortion clinics and doctors across the United States.[93][94][95] A number of terrorist attacks were attributed by Bruce Hoffman to individuals and groups with ties to the Christian Identity and Christian Patriot movements, including the Lambs of Christ.[96] A group called Concerned Christians was deported from Israel on suspicion of planning to attack holy sites in Jerusalem at the end of 1999; they believed that their deaths would "lead them to heaven".[97][98]
The motive for anti-abortionist Scott Roeder murdering Wichita doctor George Tiller on 31 May 2009 was the belief that abortion is not only immoral, but also a form of murder under "God's law", irrespective of "man's law" in any country, and that this belief went "hand in hand" with his religious beliefs.[99][100] The group supporting Roeder proclaimed that any force is "legitimate to protect the life of an unborn child", and called on all Christians to "rise up" and "take action" against threats to Christianity and to unborn life.[101] Eric Robert Rud
Queue up people claiming that he was just f**** in the head, not Christian
First cab off the rank. Anders Breivik did not identify himself as a Christian in the sense that he was a follower of Christ but merely a 'cultural Christian'. His motivation was to protect 'Christian Europe', not to protect Christianity or Jesus. In fact he was quite scathing of religion in general saying "Religion is a crutch for many weak people and many embrace religion for self serving reasons as a source for drawing mental strength". [1]
It's still too early to say for sure, but I'd be willing to bet that the guys who carried out the recent attacks in France are doing so because they believed it is the 'will of Allah', the prophet 'commands it' etc etc.
A second important distinction is that Anders Breivik, even if he wanted to, could not justify his actions based on what Jesus or his disciples taught. Islamic extremists can and do quote directly from the words of Mohammad to justified their violent actions.
[1] http://www.ibtimes.com/anders-...