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Radio, Not YouTube, Is Still King of Music Discovery
journovampire writes: We might live in an age of YouTube and Spotify being the go-to music players of teenagers, but radio was still the top method of music discovery in the U.S. last year. According to the research, "59% of music listeners use a combination of over-the-air AM/FM radio and online radio streams to hear music," and "243 million U.S. consumers (aged 12 and over) tune in each week to radio – 91.3% of the national population tuning in across more than 250 local markets."
Next thing you know, there will be a story about how a lot of people still buy books and go to libraries!
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for good music.
that a puff story about how the internet isn't important wouldn't understand how a hyperlink works. Since there is no FA we can conclude based on the summary that there wasn't any real research done either, and that while 91% of the public may tune in to "over-the-air" radio, said group will discover no new music there as all the radio stations simply play the same song over and over.
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the only reason anyone in our family would count as one of these 243 million people is the radio in the car. it just happens to be there, and on, but usually at a volume low enough it isn't really listened to unless no one is talking in the car. rarely does anyone listen to the radio outside of the car except perhaps during very severe weather and the power is out. given that our local radio choices are small town twangy country on fm or small town am without a nighttime license, not much 'music discovery' going on either.
Sirius/XM? yes. Why anyone would tolerate 10 minutes of music 10 minutes of DJ chatter, and 40 minutes of commercials I will never understand.
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People still use the top-40 echo chamber to tell them what to listen to, details at eleven.
They need netflix for the same reason.
Radio? What's that? We can't get radio here.
Well yeah...
Know how I end up buying stuff on iTunes?
I hear something on the radio - usually my alarm, I google bits of the lyrics, end up on a lyrics site and get a title, go to youtube with that to check it's the right one, and buy it on iTunes.
Now any idiot would figure "we need to make this simpler, so that people spend more money". Problem is, "rightholders", "labels", "songwriters" and so on, are BEYOND idiocy. So instead they tried (and still try) to shut down the lyrics sites and get their stuff off youtube. Those morons are actively trying to prevent me from giving them money!
Just how dumb can you get!
I simply don't hear radio much anymore. My kids don't listen to it, I don't hear it in cars driving by, I don't hear it much in stores, and I certainly don't listen to it.
But the simple numbers that tell an absolute and unmanipulable truth is the advertising revenue. Every other statistic is a complete and total fabrication created in an effort to prevent the total freefall of existing sales and stock prices. A great example of these desperadoes is that they often show revenues from 2009 to the present. This makes it look like a growth industry but in reality it is a recovery from the disaster that was 2008.
Quite simply people don't want to be told by a bunch of baby boomers what music to listen to. They have a device in their pockets that gives them total control. Remember these are the same sort of people who loved putting one good song on each CD so that people were effectively paying $20 per song.
/. editors need to be fired and replaced with the good folks at Fox News!
Might be more reliable...
if they are state that only 1 in 25 don't listen to radio every week, theyre lying. my car had as radio, but thastsd because I've been to busy to replaced with a digital media player. I only listened to that radio maybe 5 weeks per year, and only npr, and never music. I know lots of others who also don't have as radio in the house. radio is as retro format like vinyl.
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SiriusXM still has DJ chatter, depending on the station, but yeah, generally no commericals. For me, I have SiriusXM since I cross through a few radio markets on my commute and broadcast radio is just a pain in the rear to deal with in that case.
You don't have kids that listen to the morning zoo. It;s kind of like the daily dose of Facebook of teen gossip.
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So how much did ClearChannel pay for this study?
I use Pandora continuously at work, and I have discovered new music through it.
Radio, on the other hand, even if you hear a piece of music that you like, the chance of actually being told the name of the artist is close to zero. So, there is no chance to really "discover" music.
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I 3d print a fresh copy for each listening.
I can't stand listening to the radio, and never do. I discover new music two ways: word-of-mouth and late night talk shows. When I have music on, 100% of the time it is being played back from my library of music. Radio sucks, even streaming ones.
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91.3% of the country still listens to radio but Slashdot becomes less relevant every year.
*oh snap*
Local information. Local content. Local sports. I want to hear about whats going on in my city, not New York.
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Bill and Rebecca Goldsmith are responsible for more new 'international' stuff I hear than anyone else, yet I am in the UK and live in a very musical community (more than dozen of my friends are in diverse bands getting national airplay).
Whole chunks of music that would otherwise pass me by, I now hear, because I am listening to a source outside that rich environment.
Why anyone would pay for something they can get for free I will never understand.
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Discovery occurs with selective filtering of the music. I listen to KCRW here in Los Angeles, as well as catch recordings of Passport Approved for my music discovery.
Sure, Pandora can play tracks I have never heard before. But that's akin to throwing spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks.
I'd rather have talented humans help me to find new music worth listening to.
I haven't tuned a radio to a station in ages, but my preamp has internet radio capability that I use frequently (and donate/subscribe). I can also get streams on my Ouya, through XBMC and plugins.
The FCC really screwed up one of my favorite radio stations. They gave an LPFM (low-power KOCI) the same frequency as a powerhouse down the coast. I can only get the LPFM in a few block radius. Fortunately, the LPFM also has a shoutcast stream, so it's available on my computers, main sound system, the bedroom, and at work.
This is plain old common sense. What you will see on Youtube is what other people already listen to.. alot. On a new computer I'm inundated with suggestions for Taylor Swift and Niki Minaj(sp? don't worry, I don't really care). You don't run across anything "new" when what's "popular" is always suggested. Skimming radio stations gives you new things, and has since the advent of Radio.
I quoted "popular" very intentionally by the way. Popularity is not just what people listen to, but what people want people to listen to especially in with certain genres (see the 2 names mentioned above). A rare few have any talent at all (Taylor Swift as far as I know writes most of her music), and the majority are spoon fed music and lyrics and only provide a face someone likes (see the other name mentioned).
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
I go to Youtube to listen to music I already know about. Radio, however, gives me 99% of shit I don't care about and the occasional song I like, which I will then look up on the internet, find it on Youtube and thereby the rest of what that artist did.
Captain Obvious to the rescue.
I discover new (age) musicon the music channel "Soundscapes"
"Let it be said, that if something got one play in a week at KFJC, chances are that was the MOST important play of the week"
http://kfjc.org/netcast/index.php
I'd sure like to read the article. Unfortunately the only link in this post is a reference back to this post on slashdot. Where are the editors?
I can't remember the last time I saw a radio that was connected and wasn't part of a car.
Sirius/XM? yes. Why anyone would tolerate 10 minutes of music 10 minutes of DJ chatter, and 40 minutes of commercials I will never understand.
I agree sirius is better. As for the why? It's very expensive at list prices. That is, if you aren't onto their game where you have to call and bitch every renewal. If you do, it runs about 4 bucks a month. One of their operators told me about the pricing scam when I was going to cancel a few years ago.
So it turns out that compulsory licensing is a huge benefit to music copyright holders. Why on earth the same thing isn't written into law for video is beyond me.
From TFA: "...radio’s ‘local nature makes it an integral part of the daily lives of hundreds of millions of consumers in markets large and small’."
People like local content, it's as simple as that. It's a real shame that most local radio stations don't play music created by local artists, but it makes sense since most of them are owned by corporations that don't live in the area..
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I subscribe to Beats for my unlimited, play anything service.
I use iTunes for buying Albums I want to keep forever (that I usually listen to on Beats first).
BUT... I still subscribe to Sirius/XM in the car (and online)... and that's where I normally learn about new bands (on the Indie/Alt stations). I use Shazam to snag a song that comes on the radio... and it directly has a button that lets me listen to it (and the album) on Beats later after I get home... from there I typically spin off to other things Beats/iTunes suggests.
I tried dropping the "radio" portion of this system a while ago... and found myself stuck in a musical rut. Beats does a decent job of leading me into hand-picked playlists that are "radio like" - but when faced with the choice of picking something I know is good vs something I don't know about I still often find myself listening to stuff I've already heard before. The "forced" nature of the radio naturally leads to listening to things outside of my current library...
"very expensive"?
I don't think most people would consider $10/month "very expensive". It is a small amount of money by almost any measure.
Is it worth $10/month? That's a personal question... but there's no way that's "very expensive" to anyone with a steady job...
"very expensive"?
I don't think most people would consider $10/month "very expensive". It is a small amount of money by almost any measure.
Is it worth $10/month? That's a personal question... but there's no way that's "very expensive" to anyone with a steady job...
$19/month or $199/yr according to their website.
In any case Sirius does not solve the basic problem, which is the payments to the artists for airplay. Streaming services are going to tend to much better than radio to target new music to listeners, and are not running ads to pay for excessive fees to allow artists to publicize their music, so while these services need to pay artists, they cannot be as much as radio. Likewise, the big publishers should be removed from the process, otherwise we are going to end up with same lame formats we have on radio.
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I occasionally listen to 95.7 (now "the jet" formerly "KJR") here in Seattle, but not as often since they (ClearChannel) twice attempted to rebrand it and somewhat altered its format (for one thing they put in a damned morning show, when they used to brag about playing only music in the morning because "who talks along with the radio?")
Now it is pretty much my USB stick in the car and Pandora at home.
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I listen to radio on my 45 minute commute. Here in Dallas we have a Listener Supported station KXT. It supports (plays) local and national artists and does not have an overly restrictive/repetitive play list. I do find that I use it for discovery, sometimes I stream it at Work. It is about 50% of my discovery and the rest is spread around (friends, internet 4KW stereo in other guys car). I do understand Eeew, it has pledge drives that are well, Eeew. For some reason I never upgraded the radio in my commute car, it is and old OEM becker piece that in the past I had refurbished by the factory. I no longer remember why (should have just replaced it)
Seriously, I don't listen to music radio any more except pre selected songs from periods I already like.
So hit me with the "70s" and the "80s" music.
I discovered Blue October because a friend gave me a pirated disk and said they were good. So I've gone to several concerts- bought some T-Shirts.
But it's really too hard to find good music by listening to the market dominating "clearchannel" mega media conglomerate.
I'm in the filter bubble on pandora so it doesnt' suggest anything new.
Netflix does a better job because it has a "what's popular on netflix" set of shows.
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What worries me about radios is the lack of variety in the represented genres. I don't know about where you live, but here all stations seem copies of the same one, and they all broadcast the same kind of pop-ish music. The less popular genres have zero chances of making it out to the public. The cycle will never be broken if it goes like (people like and choose music based on radio broadcasts) -> (artists on radios get famous and popular) -> (radios choose music based on their perception of people's taste).
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Where? A basic music package is $10/month:
http://www.siriusxm.com/ourmos...
Why anyone would pay for something they can get for free I will never understand.
You can't get commercial-free radio for free. On the rare occasion that you can, it is usually shit — that is, it's usually college radio, and the selection is eclectic enough to where unless you have truly broad interests in music, you will hate most of it.
Sirius and XM are the only kinds of radio I can actually get at any tolerable level of quality where I live, so there's another potential reason.
I just listen to canned music, and then I don't have to deal with subscriptions or static. But if I drove more, I might well have Sirius or XM. Do they even both still exist? Heh.
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I have a well configured Pandora One account. I like the model - tell it artists you do like, and it suggests based on that.
Yeah - come to think of it there is one radio station I stream - it's KBCS out of the Seattle area. No commercials at all.
You get commercial-free radio for free in countries with public broadcasting services.
FTFY (at my own expense).
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Gee, that's nice. But what makes you think they're not performing a 'man in the middle' attack on your personal preferences and tastes by injecting something they're being paid to try to get you to like? There is no invasion of privacy or crime being committed if they do that, and it can easily be dismissed as their algorithm hiccupping and feeding you something you didn't really want -- or you can go "Gee, I kinda like that too, thanks Pandora!" and their mission is accomplished. Kind of like broadcast radio. Yes, I have no proof of this -- but it's plausible. So how is something that requires you to PAY for access (data plan on wireless, or internet access at home) better than something that comes OTA for free? Yes, radio has commercials -- but you can always switch stations if it bugs you that much. You're dismissing broadcast radio out-of-hand for no good reason. Oh and don't call me a Luddite (although most people don't use the term correctly), I tried Pandora, and found it annoying. The deal-breaker was when it wouldn't let me skip more than so-many selections per hour, essentially forcing me to listen to what it wanted me to hear. At that point I may as well just listen to whatever MP3s/AACs I had around -- or turn on the radio again.
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I have some small radio/CD thing with separate speakers that sits unused (Philips). It has modern features : MP3, aux in, older ipod dock (interfacing with it is illegal because of patents) and even a remote. :).
So, it ought to be somewhat ideal for listening to radio but.. the speakers while better than what many people deal with (most consumer electronics crap) aren't that good, those on my PC are better.
I once figured out the feature to auto-scan all the FM stations and store then in memory, but there are only 20 slots and I can get well very 30 radio stations. That means switching between the station with next/previous or the keypad numbers on the remote only covers the spectrum up to 100MHz. That is fucking infuriating, for lack of other words
I can listen to the FM on the dumbphone, switching stations is easier there.
In the 90s you could get a FM tuner card for a a PC, but they don't seem to exist anymore?
Sure I found one (PCIe 1x) but it does HDMI in, composite in and TV tuner, which I don't need. I want just the FM. Maybe old analog TV tuner cards you can find in stashes of old stuff can work, if you can recommend me some good linux software to use one.
Public radio has been a great resource for me. WUKY in Lexington has introduced me to some great musicians that would never get air time on corporate radio. You won't hear Christian McBride or Lucinda Williams on your local AM station. Chances are, you won't hear a live, local Dj on your radio unless you tune into your NPR station. I'm listening to WMMT streaming from Whitesburg Ky.
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People still turn to commercial radio for new music? I thought commercial radio's been irrelevant since the mid-seventies?
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The last thing that I had been using radio for was my alarm but I stopped that when I got sick of the fart jokes and Bieber updates. They didn't play his "music" but for some reason thought I gave a damn about what he was up to.
I find many artists through CBC Music 3. The Band of the Day app is pretty good too.
The kids can wear headphones or listen to Howard Stern like daddy.
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Please tell me where you can get commercial radio for free that does not fade out as I drive 600 miles.
No Spotify is NOT free, you pay for your bandwidth for your phone, so try again.
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Lots of people do,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...
23.9 million people subscribe in the USA, so it seems a very large number subscribe. So it's highly popular.
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I have not listened to radio in years. I play music and podcast I enjoy when I what them. It is almost amusing to listen to them now in a store or a party and hear ads and idiot radio jocks.
Some of the radio shows I did like I only listen to the podcasts when I want. Hamish and Andy is one of them I will play for a laugh.
I wonder if that is related to "FREE X YEARS of XM with the purchase of a new car!!" I see advertised. What would be more interesting is the renewal rate after promotional periods or rates or whatever.
I've had good luck with that, too. I'd say over the past couple of years the ratio is about 20:1 for Pandora:Radio in terms of useful recommendations. One of my main problems with the radio is even when I hear something new that I like I either 1) miss who the artist was in the first place, or 2) hear but fail to remember the name later, when I'm out of the car and capable of doing something about it. With Pandora at least I'm already on the computer, and can just copy/paste, or at worst thumbs-up the song, and increase the chances it'll come back around a second time.
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1.) Radio
2.) Movies
3.) Friends
We are surrounded by radio broadcasts every day, anyone who is anyone that has a smartphone and appreciates music uses Shazam to figure out the artist/song title since the stations do a poor job of relaying that info. Movies are the 2nd most common, followed by friends.
At least, that's my opinion.
This is like saying "Why would you pay for [$NICE DINING ESTABLISHMENT] when you can get a hobo to feed you poop for free?" (Or, for those who require car analogies, "Why would you purchase a vehicle when you can jump on the back of a bus for free?")
I suppose if you're the type who likes having a selection of ~40 songs 90% of the time, separated by annoying commercials and whatever the "DJ" spews forth, then radio is fine. Personally, when I want to listen to music, I want to listen to just music. Preferably of a wide variety and stuff I know I'll like, so all my devices that can have music on them do, from my personal collection (bought-and-paid), including my car. Sure, I might miss out on some new music I would enjoy while driving, but I will happily do so over having to deal with the crap surrounding it. I listen to Pandora One while at work or home, which I pay for to also get rid of the commercials, so I'll hear the new music anyway.