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Ancient Viruses Altered Human Brains
giulioprisco writes: A new study from Lund University in Sweden (abstract) indicates inherited viruses that are millions of years old play an important role in building up the complex networks that characterize the human brain. The Lund study shows that retroviruses seem to play a central role in the basic functions of the brain — over the course of evolution, the viruses took an increasingly firm hold on the steering wheel in our cellular machinery. In particular, the retroviruses seem to play an important role in the regulation of which genes are to be expressed, and when."
So, we 're all zombies, then?
William Burroughs figured this out decades ago.
Something new to blame my lack of endowment on! Thank you!
IT Professional.
This poster is likely a specimen having a recently-infected brain that may be ideal for studying this phenomenon in its early stages.
Table-ized A.I.
http://randommization.com/wp-c...
Sure, given that the alternative is Varyesiam dualist nonsense, I'm ok with being a meat machine; but it still always seems to be rubbing it In a bit for a damn glorified macromolecule to be calling the shots. I'd rather it be intelligence than, say, the flu; but still rather insulting.
Agent Smith: "I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops an equilibrium with the surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet; you are a plague and we are the cure."
I can't removatize Bushificationisms from my head brain. Should I visitify a therapisterizer?
A thrud xposyer will helpificate this problemification....
You have the right to remain sentient. If you give up the right to remain sentient, you will be elected to public office
What if "life" figured out how to use viruses to better itself over time?
What if it was life itself that created viruses to better itself over time?
This isn't a commonly accepted theory on the origins of viruses. The closest one being that cells were the origin through accidental escapees of chunks of genes that eventually over time resulted in just the right group of them to escape in a way that could infect others, and over time this just got out of hand.
But it still doesn't explain many of the complex mechanisms involved with viruses. There is a huge missing hole there. Could be they just evolved over time without killing hosts and they then went bad over time from there. So-called carriers.
I still prefer to think viruses were originated through evolution itself trying to create a better way of evolving on a large-scale in the body, possibly even cross-lifeform, and it got horribly out of control when some things mutated in the wrong way and led to all the horrific viruses we have now.
We'll still not know until we research more viral genes. It is the new frontier of genetics. So much we don't know about them.
But it would be neat. Good viruses. *
Queue Red Dwarf clips.
* technically possible and is even used in medicine. And it will be used significantly more in the coming years, keyword years, not even decades, it is a growing industry. Fun/scary times ahead. Get in to biology if you want a career change.
I would think this will do wonders for gene therapies.This could possibly open up a bunch of treatments for various diseases if we understand the way the brain works better. Good news!
IT Professional.
A few years ago New Scientist had an interesting article that made me look at viruses in a different light.
It basically said that viruses allow different species to exchange genetic material beyond what would be possible with
sex alone. They had some example like the development of the placenta :
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2012/02/14/mammals-made-by-viruses/
will latch onto the "your kid will never be anything more than a mere monkey" argument.
The article lies. It says, "[t]he reason the viruses are activated specifically in the brain is probably due to the fact that tumours cannot form in nerve cells, unlike in other tissues."
Leaving aside the awkward phrasing ("form _in_ nerve cells" [emphasis added]), it turns out that 1% of brain tumors are neuronal tumors. "Tumors of the central nervous system that contain abnormal neuronal elements, termed neuronal tumors, make up approximately 1% of all brain tumors." (http://pubs.rsna.org/doi/pdf/10.1148/radiographics.22.5.g02se051177)
That said, I think I understand the gist of the argument. But I didn't know that neuronal tumors were so rare (or supposedly impossible, according to TFA) and felt compelled to fact check that assertion.
As commented before, this seems to be a good method for genetic engineering Now when does someone note that this may have been how the aliens produced humans from lower primates? Oh, heck, I just did.
From the article: "tumours cannot form in nerve cells". This, of course, is BS that was discredited a couple of years ago: http://m.medicalxpress.com/new... Perhaps we should have a Slashdot discussion on lazy scientists failing to keep up with developments in their own field. If you write without bothering to read, you end up with... well, something like Slashdot...
"Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason."
Recently infected? Feels more like a primordial specimen that couldn't step out of the initial pool.
I would consider human brain development is due to some odd genetic mutation when
human had lost their hair. When climate changed, those who could figure out how to
survive the cold winter lives on.
For the hairless homo sapien to keep warm in cold climate is quite complicated as the
fur from other animal is not quite ready to cover the body part. The cold weather forms
some kind of selective breeding. To survive hairless, human were forced to use the brain.
Why are women so dumb? Did they get the dumb virus?
... We are created by aliens. Cigarette-smoking man is the key. We must find him. Lone gunmen to the rescue?
Reminds me of the virus that was found in the sequels to Ender's Game - there was an alien species that was completely dependent on the virus for survival, to the point that they believed it might have been directly responsible for their intelligence. Also, it brings to mind something like a biological version of the virus in Snow Crash, the concept that you could upload information to human minds that would instantly change the social structure as a whole.
Once again, life imitates art.
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Religion you say? Could just be an echo in the ripples of time created during the chrono-wars that span space as it does time. A rather interesting result. Was it caused by man, or was God expressing his existence as the Alpha and Omega not to be forgotten. Chicken, egg, or frying pan?
People actually believe this crap though, and it's pretty frightening. Not saying humans don't have sociopaths and psychopaths, but if we could rid ourselves somehow of our current political classes of people the problems would not be bad.
For example, people in Africa that have lived for countless generations on the same land are having it stolen by "tycoons" and politicians. They have to move now because they can't survive without any land to live on, and their land is converted to exploit it's resources for a select few to profit at the expense of the masses. Happens all over sadly.
I think we should convert to a very successful time in Athens, where politicians were selected by lottery... Out with the political class and the people that can buy them.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Doing so would require the ability to breed, so that's a no go on slashdot.
Or was it just someone terminally stupid misinterpreting their ergot-derived delusions and cursing humanity with the result?
The evolutionists used to say that human intelligence could be explained by evolutionary process of natural selection, and they made no reference to viruses. Meaning previously they never said that viruses were required for human intelligence to appear. Now these people are saying that viruses were important to make us intelligent. Meaning that if it was not because of viruses then we not have evolved. So why did they say they had everything figured out? Were the evolutionists wrong previously? Were they lying? Are they lying now?
It is also interesting to note that nowadays retroviruses is one of the main vectors for performing genetic manipulation of cells. So if it is indeed proven that viruses were involved in creating human intelligence, can we discount any longer that humanity was created through genetic engineering?
Don't fornicate. Seriously, just don't do it.
Now we know how the aliens altered our species, the way in which they have altered our brains and bodies en mass to make us collectively stupider, weaker, and more short lived than we otherwise would have been.
If we can properly identify which viruses are doing these things perhaps we can eventually become unbound.
... its not too surprising. If something works evolution will generally use it no matter how convoluted it is. Its also highly unlikely that junk DNA would have remained in the genome if it had no purpose since a cell that dumped non working DNA would require less energy to reproduce.
Once thing the article isn't clear about when it talks about viruses - do they mean actual viruses are loose in the brain or are they simply refering to the viral DNA?
Language IS a virus!
That's a flu I can use!
God was hacked with a virus because even her wasn't dumb enough to design Americans.
Indeed. I suspect this specimen is immune to these virsuses.
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"Language is a virus", William S Burroughs
Until or unless the earth is hit by a meteorite or volcanic action causes an ice age - The future of life on planet earth will consist of humans and ponds (lakes) of green slime used as a food source. That's it. We will grow our population to the point where all "biologically-available" carbon atoms will reside in two species of life: Humans, and our food source. All other life, and the land and energy and ecosystems that they require, will be eliminated to support the expansion of the human population. We are doing it today on a scale that is on the virge of wiping out many of the higher order species. Over time all of the rest of them will follow. The earth will resemble a mechanical structure that looks more like the death star from star wars as we cover the planet with habitation cubicals, and lakes of green slime where we recycle our dead bodies and consume the calories and nutrients of the slime. Since we are unable to biologically synthesize our own food, only the most space and energy-efficient species that will be our food source will share the planet with us. That will most likely be a photosynthetic green slime. We will reach that point because we will continue on our current path of harvesting just one more animal species for food, cut down just one more forest for space and to build homes with. Just one more - it can't hurt right? The earth will tolerate it - right? We have no ability or desire or control to reduce our population growth, and we will ultimately use all available space and energy to cover the last square foot of available space, the last calorie or kg of supportable biomass will be contained in either the body of a human or our companion food species.
It isn't stupid to believe what you see. If you're tripping and you don't know you're tripping, it seems extreeeeeeeemely real. Heck, when I was about 10 or 12, I had a dream where my Action Man was alive. It was so real that the next day I was convinced it was true, even though I was really old enough to know better...
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By Greg Bear, explored this idea of retrovirus's controlling evolution about 15 years ago. It was a very good read.
I am generally fascinated though also terrified by this sort of thing based on the following thought pattern: https://xkcd.com/1163/
I dont get it
JEB Joke?