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Ask Slashdot: Where Can You Get a Good 3-Button Mouse Today?

guises writes Ever since mouse wheels were introduced the middle mouse button has been sidelined to an inadequate click-wheel function, or in some cases ditched altogether. This has never sat well with me, a proper middle button is invaluable for pasting, games, and navigation. More than that, my hand categorically rejects two button mice — the dangling ring finger causes me genuine physical discomfort. I have begged Logitech on multiple occasions to make just one, among their many screwy specialty mice, to replace the Mouseman which I loved so dearly. I thought for a moment that I had been answered with the g600, only to find that they had put the right mouse button in the middle.

So my question to Slashdot is: where does a person turn for a three button mouse these days? I've only found two, both ergonomic and priced accordingly. I use the Contour and like the shape and wheel position, but would love to find something wireless and with a higher DPI sensor.

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  1. Simple solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just glue three Apple Mice together.

    1. Re:Simple solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Congratulations, you've managed to make a reference even more obsolete than 'LOL BSOD'.

    2. Re: Simple solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Damn it, I was going for more obsolete than EISA. Curse you Linus Torvalds!

    3. Re:Simple solution by frisket · · Score: 3, Interesting

      where does a person turn for a three button mouse these days?

      The one on my desk you may have only when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.

    4. Re:Simple solution by Noah+Haders · · Score: 2

      I don't get this question at all. What's the big deal? Are there any valuable functions mapped to a middle button anyway, that make it so important? What's wrong with a click wheel? Who puts three fingers on the surface of a mouse? the whole thing is weird.

    5. Re:Simple solution by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Are there any valuable functions mapped to a middle button anyway, that make it so important?

      Yes. For people who use real computers, middle button = "paste selected text".

      Who puts three fingers on the surface of a mouse?

      People who use real computers but have not yet found the one true pointing device, the 4-button Logitech Marble Mouse Trackball.

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    6. Re:Simple solution by flappinbooger · · Score: 2

      on a lot of the mouses the click wheel makes for a crappy third button.

      Some of the worst are when they thought they'd be clever and made the click wheel TILTABLE and CLICKABLE.

      Ends up doing neither well.

      What I've found is that the cheap mouses the click wheel works ok. The MS and Logitech ones, of course.

      Got me the middle button gets used most for opening a link in a new tab, and also has it's uses in CAD apps.

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    7. Re:Simple solution by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 2

      A real computer is a computer on which the left button drag-select also copies the selected text, so you can immediately paste it by middle clicking somewhere.

      Such a machine is usually running X windows.

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    8. Re:Simple solution by pthisis · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I presume "real computer" was snark for "not Microsoft Windows".

      Selections and the clipboard both have their uses.

      Selections are faster and leaner--you can just highlight some text, then center-click wherever to copy it there. It's faster than having to highlight, then explicitly copy with Ctrl-C or whatever, then click somewhere, then paste with Ctrl-V or whatever. It's also guaranteed to give you plain text, rather than bringing along formatting and images and stuff.

      The clipboard is more featureful, it's useful when you want to bring along formatting or images or other non-text stuff. It also allows you to highlight another area and paste over it, as you mention. It's also more persistent, so if you are working on code or something and have a string you're going to paste repeatedly, you might put that on the clipboard with Ctrl-C and have it until you explicitly cut something else; you can still do selection copy/paste for quick little stuff in the interim, but still have your main item saved on the clipboard so you don't have to go re-copy it.

      Having both is useful. Selections are a lot faster, I use them the majority of the time but still use the clipboard sometimes.

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    9. Re:Simple solution by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 2

      I learned that during a lecture in college circa 1989. But this is the best I could find.. http://alt-usage-english.org/e...

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    10. Re:Simple solution by greenfruitsalad · · Score: 2

      or you can just buy it from oracle. they have 2 types of kit. one has a wheelmouse, the other has a 3 button mouse:

      https://shop.oracle.com/pls/os...

  2. Pay up and quit whining by Pope+Hagbard · · Score: 4, Interesting

    $69 for a mouse, especially a specialty one like you're wanting, is not that much. The only alternative is going to be buying a good used one from eBay.

    1. Re:Pay up and quit whining by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 3, Informative

      Chances are you can re-map that logitech g600's buttons to do whatever you want. You can probably do it driverless as well, which means the changes survive across plugging the mouse into a different PC. Pick one up on Amazon and if it doesn't work the way you want, they let you return it.

    2. Re:Pay up and quit whining by majormer · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have a G600. It is trivial to remap the buttons to perform like you want.

  3. Performance Mouse MX by dandaman32 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can't recommend enough the Performance Mouse MX enough.

    While it does have the middle button integrated into the scroll wheel, once used to it you will find it completely intuitive. I middle click hundreds of times a day and only found it difficult during the first two weeks of owning the mouse. 5 years later I still prefer the Performance MX over anything else.

    To middle click I typically shift my index finger over a centimeter or two. My hands are slightly above average size and ergonomically the PerfMX is perfect for me.

    1. Re: Performance Mouse MX by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

      M-BA47 user here.

      Now get off my lawn.

    2. Re:Performance Mouse MX by vbraga · · Score: 3, Informative

      Middle click pastes the last selected text segment under X11. For people who uses Linux for work, or at home, having a mouse with three buttons is very convenient.

      Don't you get tired from using a trackpad all day? I think a mouse is more comfortable for long term use.

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    3. Re: Performance Mouse MX by lucm · · Score: 2

      The buttons must be a disgusting brownish/yellow by now.

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    4. Re:Performance Mouse MX by SgtAaron · · Score: 3, Informative

      but you still have to use ctrl c and ctrl x. how does it help to have a dedicated ctrl v button? seems like a strange hill to die on to insist on a 3 button mouse. don't you think?

      The middle button acts like CTRL-V. Selecting the text automatically places it in its own paste buffer, so you can CTRL-C some other text and have an entirely different selection and two paste options--I've actually done that before. After using Linux 20 plus years, I can tell you it's weird not to have that functionality when I happen to be at windows machine.

      You are correct about it not replacing CTRL-X.

  4. What's wrong with a scroll wheel? by swv3752 · · Score: 2

    Not sure why a scroll wheel will not work for you, but check out the Logitech Couch Mouse M515. The wheel is not a middle, the button below the wheel is the third mouse button.

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    1. Re: What's wrong with a scroll wheel? by radarskiy · · Score: 2

      "why a scroll wheel will not work for you"

      With a clickable scroll wheel it takes effort to avoid scrolling when trying to click

      "check out the Logitech Couch Mouse M515"

      'This product is no longer available. Continue shopping at Logitech.' http://reviews.logitech.com/70...

    2. Re: What's wrong with a scroll wheel? by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What a typical Slashdot user answer.

      User 1: "I have problem X"
      Slashdot user: "No, you don't."

      See also: Linux users.

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    3. Re: What's wrong with a scroll wheel? by willy_me · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Usability of the scroll wheel as a center button varies greatly from mouse to mouse. With some mice it is impossible to use without scrolling and with others it is ok. My current mouse, the M525, is poor - but tolerable once you get used to it. My previous mouse, some generic Dell mouse, was much better.

      One should go to a computer shop and try them out. Do not assume they are all horrible just because some are.

    4. Re: What's wrong with a scroll wheel? by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 2

      impossible? I and tons of people I work with do it dozens and dozens of times daily. Since when did it become a difficult skill?

  5. just swap the buttons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 3 2"

    1. Re:just swap the buttons by radarskiy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Solving a middle click problem by creating a right click problem isn't much of a solution.

    2. Re:just swap the buttons by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

      You're right, that command doesn't work on OS/2.

  6. Middle wheel/button seems to work ok, no? by dbrueck · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Can you share details on what the problems are with the clickable middle wheel? You mentioned it's "inadequate", but what makes it so? Just wondering because I use the middle-button/wheel all the time and it seems to work as well as the other buttons - no discomfort, no extra thought, etc.

    1. Re:Middle wheel/button seems to work ok, no? by war4peace · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not trying to flamebait, but this looks more like a "me, oldtimer, can't adapt" thing.
      Indeed, some mice have a harder to press mid-button/scroll wheel, but there are some which are easier to press. I have a G700S and the middle click requires greater finger pressure than I'd like, however I bought it because it features both step-by step scrolling and continuous, which is the feature I was looking for. At any rate, I remapped middle click to a side button too and retrained my muscle memory.

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    2. Re:Middle wheel/button seems to work ok, no? by Nemosoft+Unv. · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's harder to push and often inadvertently invokes a scroll event. Plus, you need to bend your middle finger to push it in properly, otherwise you may perhaps click the left or right button as well. To be honest, I think a mouse with side buttons is a better choice; and I don't really buy the 'dangling ring finger' argument; mine is always holding the mouse with the ring finger; my pinky is just below that, holding the mouse too. Unless you have really Rachmaninovian hands, there's no need for fingers to dangle.

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    3. Re:Middle wheel/button seems to work ok, no? by Megol · · Score: 2

      Less ergonomic: the middle "button" isn't shaped right and it can be hard to position a finger to be in the correct position.

      Less exact: the button mechanism works different than the other buttons, partially because it tend to use a different kind of micro switch (often actually a collapsing dome switch for the middle button) and partially because of the mechanical design required for the scroll wheel.

      Less reliable: a middle-click can be translated to scrolling or tilting unless pressed exactly right.

    4. Re:Middle wheel/button seems to work ok, no? by dbrueck · · Score: 2

      Funny you should mention Blender, as that's exactly the app I had in mind when I said I used the middle button/wheel all the time without any problems. :)

      FWIW I use some Logitech mouse and this discussion made me notice that the wheel has a ton of subtle, discrete "stops" or positions rather than being a completely fluid or smooth spin. That might be why the middle button doesn't tend to register accidental scroll events.

  7. hp 3 button mouse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:hp 3 button mouse by Edward+Coffin · · Score: 2

      I second the HP DY651A. It was apparently unavailable for a while: all the online stores I looked for it in were listing it as out of stock or unavailable for the last few months of 2014, and it was something like $50 on eBay and the like. However, recently it became available again. I ordered mine three weeks ago and got it a few days later, for under $20 Canadian. Multiple online stores (newegg, NCIX, etc) are listing it for under $20, some as low as $12.

    2. Re:hp 3 button mouse by wierd_w · · Score: 2

      Whoo hoo!

      You know, pretty much the only reason why HP makes these (or orders them from actual manufacturers and brands them) is because there is obscene demand for them for CAD/CAM workstations. Many CAM suites use combinations of button clicks to maneuver in the 3D design space, including the use of the middle button.

      Dassault Systemes CATIA and Siemens Unigraphics come instantly to mind.

      HP has an industrial workstation lineup that they offer to small and midsize companies that need fairly high end engineering workstations, and these mice are a usual staple.

      No, the crazy clicking involved means a scroll wheel mouse is just not up to the challenge.

      (1st hand experience.)

      At my last job, I literally wore one of these mice out. Guess which button died first? The middle one.

      I am VERY glad that these are available again.

  8. Re:Not programmable? by Cinder6 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have a G600. I just checked, and you can reprogram the primary buttons to anything you like.

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  9. Re:Just hope middle click paste still works in fut by HalfFlat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The erosion of middle-button paste functionality is a continual frustration.

    There are cultural differences between the Windows and Macintosh personal computing worlds, and that of X11 on Unix workstations. While always allowing customisability, we should hold on to the good ideas of the past, rather than dismiss them as being unfamiliar to the personal computer user.

    What irks me especially is that the same forces that are driving us towards a Windows-like experience on the Linux desktop are also removing the ability to easily customise our environment, if only to retain the functionality that is being deprecated or dismissed. (I'm looking at you, GNOME.)

  10. Reprogram the G600 by Cinder6 · · Score: 5, Informative

    A lot of people are suggesting that the G600 might be reprogrammable, but they all note that they don't have the mouse, so they don't know for sure.

    I do.

    I just checked it, and you can reprogram the primary mouse buttons to anything you want. You can also set that as the mouse's built-in configuration, so you don't need to use the drivers and the settings will be persistent across computers. Have fun.

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  11. That's easy! by Powercntrl · · Score: 2

    They have an excellent selection of 3-button mice at Circuit City. What, don't you have a time machine?

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  12. Re:Not programmable? by guises · · Score: 2

    Another commenter suggested that this might be driverless, in other words your configuration is stored on the mouse and is OS independent. That's pretty appealing if that's true, I don't suppose you could confirm that?

  13. HP DY651A by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    USB 3-button optical mouse for $12. Problem solved.

  14. Re:Not programmable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes, I can confirm that.

    I have used the G600 for a long time now and the way it works is that you need a computer with the logitech software installed, reprogram all the buttons any way you want (you can move the right click button to the side shift-function button and then program the middle button however you want) then save the profile into the mouse memory which will let it remember those settings on any other computer without the drivers installed (with the exception of some game-specific macros).

    Most of the recent logitech mice are capable of this.

  15. Re:Thrift store by guruevi · · Score: 4, Informative

    Or you can do that all in the settings (at least on Linux and OS X)

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  16. Re:Thrift store by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Or instead of calling the person an idiot, try reading the summary?

    "...the middle mouse button has been sidelined to an inadequate click-wheel function..."

    But he doesn't explain why it is "inadequate". A middle button that functions as both a button and a scroll wheel is a clear improvement. The scroll wheel does not detract from the button click functionality, and in fact, improves it, since the middle button has a distinctly different tactile feel, so you don't fat-finger it by accident. The old three-button-no-scroll-wheel mouse died for a reason. It was inferior in every way.

  17. Re:Where can I buy a good trackball? by Aryeh+Goretsky · · Score: 2

    Hello,

    A couple of "large" trackball vendors:

    BigTrack - http://www.bigtrack.co.uk/
    Kensington - http://www.kensington.com/us/u...

    You can also try visiting www.trackballworld.com and looking around at the various offerings there. I've never bought from them, so no specific feedback to give (or, in other words, caveat emptor).

    Regards,

    Aryeh Goretsky

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  18. Re:We don't all work in Windows + efficiency by Atzanteol · · Score: 3, Insightful

    and occasionally less efficient - especially if you want to paste *over* something like a URL.

    Select new URL, select old URL, paste, oh crap, delete old URL, got *back* and select new URL, paste.

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  19. Re:Thrift store by CaptQuark · · Score: 2

    More than that, my hand categorically rejects two button mice — the dangling ring finger causes me genuine physical discomfort.

    I have a feeling you also missed this sentence. He is bemoaning the loss of the middle button as much for the form factor as for the additional features. The old three-button mice were designed to allow index-middle-ring fingers to rest on the mouse with the thumb and pinky around the edges. Everyone has a favorite mouse shape - ivory soap bar, ergonomic hockey puck, small and narrow, palm vertical, etc - his just happens to be the three-button mouse.

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  20. Re:We don't all work in Windows + efficiency by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

    But there are a number of times where explicit copy/paste is much nicer.

    I don't know what DE you're using, but in KDE, both modes work, and they go into different buffers. So if you feel the need to do the explicit copy/paste with Ctrl-C/V, it works fine, and you can even highlight something else afterwards, then paste the two separately with middle-click and Ctrl-V.

    No, having one buffer is not better in any way. It's stupid in fact. Better is KDE's Klipper, which keeps a history for this buffer and lets me choose things I previously highlighted or copied.