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Texas Boy Suspended For "Threatening" Classmate With the One Ring

An anonymous reader writes Nine-year-old Aiden Steward has been suspended by officials at a Texas school after he allegedly threatened to use his magic ring to make another boy disappear. His father says the family had watched The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies last weekend. His son brought a ring to class and told another boy his magic ring could make the boy disappear. "I assure you my son lacks the magical powers necessary to threaten his friend's existence," Aiden's father wrote in an email. "If he did, I'm sure he'd bring him right back." Principal Roxanne Greer declined to comment on the school's zero tolerance policy on magic rings. It may seem easy to make fun of Principal Greer in this case, but it does make one wonder how many elves could have been saved if someone took a hard line with a young Sauron.

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  1. Yay for "zero tolerance" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    and, is this policy thing working out for you?

    1. Re: Yay for "zero tolerance" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      More like "zero intelligence" policy.

    2. Re: Yay for "zero tolerance" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nah, this is common all over the country now. Today's school system is way too much like washington dc, they don't want to be held accountable for anything, so they silence everything. They're also way too interested in pushing certain political viewpoints on the kids.

    3. Re: Yay for "zero tolerance" by amiga3D · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There is no excuse for this kind of idiocy. When something is obviously not a threat to then treat it like one shows that the principal is an idiot. She should have confiscated the ring and told the kid to go back to class and behave. Actually a teacher should have handled it. How it ever got to the level it did is mind boggling. I know this kind of behavior goes on all the time because kids are kids. Most teachers and principals would have handled this without all the fuss, this time it was an idiot. Unfortunately you can't filter them all out, sometimes a few get through. They should fire her immediately and replace her with someone with some sense.

    4. Re: Yay for "zero tolerance" by jd2112 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Actually they should expell the kid. In fact expulsion for every minor offence. On the other hand not getting vaccinated is no reason to take kids out of school. It is after all the parents right even if it puts others at risk for actual harm. But threatening with a 'magic ring' or making a gun gesture with your hands, expell the brat.

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    5. Re: Yay for "zero tolerance" by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I would take a certain pleasure in seeing a massive doxxing campaign against principals and other officials on state payrolls who make such stupid decisions and hide behind bad policy.

      Agree the story sounds bizzare, but if an angry mob of mouth breathers is your idea of natural justice then I for one am glad you are not a public servant or an educator.

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    6. Re: Yay for "zero tolerance" by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I love people who take pot shots and don't know what the fuck they're talking about. All school districts are taking tougher stances on punishment and more and more districts across the country are adopting zero tolerance policies. Is it draconian? yes, but when you have inattentive parents who don't take the time to explain right from wrong or turn a blind eye to the kids' activities this is what you get. This is clearly one that the schools administration could deal with but their hands are probably tied by district policy. Schools need to get back to the job of teaching and inspiring our youth, not being extensions of a detention system. That means that parents, you know the ones that actually bring these kids into the world, need to get involved with their kids and start by doing some teaching at home.

      While I agree wholeheartedly with what you say there is another reason for such policies:

      By mandating certain actions the school's administration is not required to make judgement calls that could be second guessed by the district or the courts. This way, they can fall back on the "district policy" argument to protect themselves. Before someone Goodwin's this thread with the "I was just following orders" argument with the current willingness of many parents to sue at the drop of a hat zero tolerance is a better defense than judgement call.

      Yes, it leads to stupid results and is really a bad idea but until parents step up we'll see more and more of this.

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    7. Re: Yay for "zero tolerance" by geekmux · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is no excuse for this kind of idiocy. When something is obviously not a threat to then treat it like one shows that the principal is an idiot. She should have confiscated the ring and told the kid to go back to class and behave. Actually a teacher should have handled it. How it ever got to the level it did is mind boggling. I know this kind of behavior goes on all the time because kids are kids. Most teachers and principals would have handled this without all the fuss, this time it was an idiot. Unfortunately you can't filter them all out, sometimes a few get through. They should fire her immediately and replace her with someone with some sense.

      Should you fire the person that is likely legally bound to make a very nonsensical call?

      Or should you perhaps do the right thing instead, and call into question why yet again the threat of legal liability is turning humans into robots.

      Tell me, at what point will the middle finger be considered not just grounds for expulsion, but an Act of Terrorism?

      Don't laugh, we're well on our way, thanks to the wrong kind of thinking.

    8. Re: Yay for "zero tolerance" by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      'violence problems' are a red herring.

      all indications are that crime has GONE DOWN over the decades, not up!

      and if you're worried about your little snowflake, chances are that its someone you know that may abduct him or her, not some 'stranger danger' guy.

      stop being afraid of goddamned shadows. living in fear is no way to live. man up, dammit.

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    9. Re: Yay for "zero tolerance" by itzly · · Score: 5, Funny

      Come to think of it, maybe she could politely ask to use the little boy's ring.

      Bad idea. She would use this ring from a desire to do good... But through her, it would wield a power too great and terrible to imagine.

    10. Re: Yay for "zero tolerance" by gtall · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Since you bring race into it, there is a journalist I heard on NPR who studied black crime and police. The problem has little to do with white folks in the communities she worked with. Most black crime is black on black. The families living in these areas would much prefer more police protection. However, the police don't have the street level view of the crimes that are being committed. Nor can they protect witnesses very well when the witnesses live with the perps. The witnesses are intimidated into shutting up. The police, not being able to get inside information, wind up cracking down on the crimes they can see in the hopes of putting at least some of the perps behind bars. That leaves the black community feeling the police are only arbitrarily enforcing petty crimes and some how don't want to arrest the real perps.

      That said, the police depts have their own internal problems. At least in parts of L.A., there are different units assigned to murders than to gang activity and the two do not communicate very well. Police depts. need to be reorganized to streamline communication, but communities must also rat out the perps in their midst. As long as the communities do not feel like police can protect them against retribution, that won't happen.

      You can see a microcosm of this playing out in the prisons. These are captive populations with plenty of cops, yet inside the inmates run their own justice system and the cops cannot protect inmates from retribution. When the society gets that evil, it is very difficult to fix.

    11. Re:Yay for "zero tolerance" by Stargoat · · Score: 4, Funny

      When Rings of Power are outlawed, only outlaws will have Rings of Power.

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    12. Re: Yay for "zero tolerance" by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Our ability to learn of crime has vastly outgrown the actual crime rate. Crimes are going down, but reporting/knowledge of the events is growing exponentially.

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    13. Re: Yay for "zero tolerance" by hoggoth · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Young man, give me that ring."
      "Ooooh... its so pretty. I could do great things with this ring. No... no... it's better if we just destroy it."
      "I have passed the test. I shall diminish and gain tenure."

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  2. This is Texas! by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Funny

    The reason why he got expelled was because he didn't bring a gun to class. And in turn he started spouting some non-christian magic mumbo jumbo.

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    1. Re: This is Texas! by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 5, Funny

      Um, this is a serious offense. There is no telling how many invisible people there might be all around us. Getting trapped in invisibility could ruin a kid's prospects for getting a job, getting married, or otherwise fulfilling their dreams.

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    2. Re:This is Texas! by Thanshin · · Score: 5, Funny

      "And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: also he observed times, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger." - Chronicles 33:6

      I don't understand why they let the boy go. He should have been executed for wizardry.

      Or whatever means of punishment they use in Texas.

      Oh, wait. It IS execution. Now it makes even less sense.

    3. Re:This is Texas! by quenda · · Score: 5, Informative

      The kid is a serial offender. Previously disciplined for referring to another kid as "black", and for bringing a book to school depicting pregnancy.
      If they don't do something, what next? He might bring in a book on evolution.

    4. Re:This is Texas! by Pulzar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The kid is a serial offender. Previously disciplined for referring to another kid as "black", and for bringing a book to school depicting pregnancy.

      I thought you were joking. But that's really what he's been suspend for the previous two times.

      That's insanity...

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    5. Re:This is Texas! by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's kind of mind-boggling, isn't it?

      This tells me the principal at this school is quite possibly a complete fucking moron who is too stupid to hold this job.

      For pretending he'd use his magic powers he gets suspended? Amazing.

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    6. Re:This is Texas! by mwvdlee · · Score: 5, Funny

      what next? He might bring in a book on evolution.

      Don't be silly. This is Texas; simple behaviour cannot turn into more complex behaviour without divine intervention.

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    7. Re:This is Texas! by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Suspending a kid because he has a book that talks about pregnancy isn't much above the "unga bunga" stage when it comes to education.

      There is no way I'd have a child in that school after THAT incident. None at all.

    8. Re: This is Texas! by denzacar · · Score: 4, Funny

      Blindness by invisibility is only a problem when using SCIENCE.

      Magical invisibility causes no such issues.

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  3. Re:its not about the ring, its just a lesson. by Thanshin · · Score: 4, Funny

    the school is teaching the kid that threats have consequences.

    What's the consequence of threatening boys with suspension for imaginary witchcraft?

  4. Re:its not about the ring, its just a lesson. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    school is for learning and teaching.

    Not this school

    Two of the disciplinary actions this year were in-school suspensions for referring to a classmate as black and bringing his favorite book to school: "The Big Book of Knowledge."

    “He loves that book. They were studying the solar system and he took it to school. He thought his teacher would be impressed,” Steward said.

    But the teacher learned the popular children’s encyclopedia had a section on pregnancy, depicting a pregnant woman in an illustration, he explained.

    Most kids who have younger siblings or friends who have younger siblings have seen a pregnant woman, so what is the big deal? Idiots teaching others how to be idiots by example.

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  5. OMFG .. I just read TFA by OzPeter · · Score: 4, Informative

    yeah I know that reading the TFA helps. But this little gem says it all - this kid is a huge trouble maker and has been suspended before. Look at the crap he has pulled:

    Two of the disciplinary actions this year were in-school suspensions for referring to a classmate as black and bringing his favorite book to school: "The Big Book of Knowledge."

    “He loves that book. They were studying the solar system and he took it to school. He thought his teacher would be impressed,” Steward said.

    But the teacher learned the popular children’s encyclopedia had a section on pregnancy, depicting a pregnant woman in an illustration, he explained.

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    1. Re:OMFG .. I just read TFA by OzPeter · · Score: 4, Funny

      Here in Europe everybody would have laughed their pants off.

      Assuming their pants were on in the first place.

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  6. Hard line with young Sauron. by Chas · · Score: 5, Funny

    Since Sauron is a Maia, he predates what we know as "creation".

    So the answer to this is probably "no".

    As always, Eru Illuvatar did not make himself available for comment.

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  7. Re:its not about the ring, its just a lesson. by pla · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the school is teaching the kid that threats have consequences.

    Credible threats have consequences. Threatening to magically make someone magically vanish lacks credibility.


    and a pretty good lesson

    "Good" lessons have a point to them. Teaching kids to fear imaginary threats does not.

  8. Re:its not about the ring, its just a lesson. by Jason+Levine · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm all for teaching kids that threats (and other mean things said) have consequences. As a father, I have to do this more often than I'd like. (Mostly from my boys getting on each others' nerves.) However, your response needs to be proportionate to the actual threat. If a child brings a gun to school and threatens another child with it - even if the gun was unloaded - suspension could definitely be considered. If a child is threatening another child with a "magic ring", though, perhaps you should just talk with the child about how it's not nice to threaten people even with imaginary objects. At most, have the child write an essay or something to drive the point home. However, a suspension over "my magic ring will make you invisible" is really going over the line.

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  9. Re:its not about the ring, its just a lesson. by causality · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the school is teaching the kid that threats have consequences.

    Credible threats have consequences. Threatening to magically make someone magically vanish lacks credibility.

    and a pretty good lesson

    "Good" lessons have a point to them. Teaching kids to fear imaginary threats does not.

    There is one good lesson they're teaching this boy: those with authority are not to be trusted.

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  10. lessons in incompetence by schlachter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's part of the "teaching incompetence and government absurdity" in the classroom program. Best the kids learn early that rational thought and reason does not exist if the words threat, school, sex, gay, religion, race, and more are used in a sentence.

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  11. Re:its not about the ring, its just a lesson. by mysidia · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Credible threats have consequences. Threatening to magically make someone magically vanish lacks credibility.

    How can the rules distinguish between Humor/Fake/Play threats, and real Bullying?

    I think any reasonable person would believe the threat to magically disappear someone would be imaginary and non-credible.

    Just like you would probably laugh if your next door neighbor tried to threaten you with Thermonuclear destruction.

    But what if the victim was gullible, and the kid kept coming up with new imaginary threats to intimidate him?

    Such cases can't entirely be dismissed, if there is a legitimate pattern of bullying or intentional intimidation.

  12. Re:They've also outlawed freeze tag by epyT-R · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, they really have outlawed and/or regulated it in several states, because it encourages "anti social" behavior.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/...
    http://www.nydailynews.com/new...

    Why are we letting the government regulate stupid shit like this? So are the kids supposed to stay inside and play video games instead? Bumps, bruises, getting teased, and learning to deal with losing/competition are life lessons.

  13. Re:Further down in the article... by pr0fessor · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One of my sons was expelled from the highschool the day after the Columbine shootings because had previously owned a trench coat that he had out grown and hadn't owned for nearly a year. The expulsion only lasted half a day before someone came to our house and apologized as the principal had over stepped his authority when he expelled every student that had ever worn a trench coat to school. That was also his last year as principal.

    He was also suspended for wearing a pentacle by a vice principal wearing great big honking cross. After a lengthy explanation about religious symbols used as gang signs from her I simply told her she's not suspending him and will never mention it again unless she intends to suspends every person wearing a cross. She started to try and convince me that was different and I cut her off and cautioned her that there wasn't any argument she could give that wouldn't make me want to see her fired.

  14. Then this kid is way ahead already... by denzacar · · Score: 5, Informative

    Best the kids learn early that rational thought and reason does not exist if the words threat, school, sex, gay, religion, race, and more are used in a sentence.

    From TFA:

    He's already been suspended three times this school year.
    Two of the disciplinary actions this year were in-school suspensions for referring to a classmate as black and bringing his favorite book to school: "The Big Book of Knowledge."

    "He loves that book. They were studying the solar system and he took it to school. He thought his teacher would be impressed," Steward said.

    But the teacher learned the popular children's encyclopedia had a section on pregnancy, depicting a pregnant woman in an illustration, he explained.

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    1. Re:Then this kid is way ahead already... by David_W · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You know, I wondered if there could be more to this story, like the concern was not the actual threat so much at the intent behind it. (Like, it wasn't any concerns over the "magic" angle, but that the threat was rooted in an actual desire to cause harm. Then I read this in your comment:

      ...the disciplinary actions this year were in-school suspensions for... bringing his favorite book to school... depicting a pregnant woman in an illustration...

      Yup, that tells me everything right there. They are nuts. Remind me never to go anywhere near this school system, ever.

  15. Re:its not about the ring, its just a lesson. by KingMotley · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's all fun and games until it's your child that gets turned invisible.