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Swatting 19-Year-Old Arrested in Las Vegas
Ars Technica reports that a Las Vegas teenager is in custody for multiple instances of swatting:
Brandon Wilson, who goes by the online handle "Famed God," was arrested Thursday in Nevada and faces an extradition hearing to determine whether he should be sent to face hacking and other charges. Illinois prosecutors said there was evidence on his computers about the July 10 swatting incident, in which he allegedly reported a murder to Naperville's emergency 911 line. The SWAT team responded, but the call was a hoax. The Chicago-Sun Times said that, in addition to the Naperville incident, the suspect's computers held evidence "of similar incidents across the country."
Err. That's good, right ? Police arresting bad people ?
Not sure why this is news.
He gets caught and will stand trial. Isn't this how the system is supposed to work? What's the problem here?
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Filing a false police report is criminal in and of itself, even if it doesn't result in an expensive, resource-wasting, and potentially injurious or deadly response from the police.
Do it once, maybe you get away with it. Keep doing it, and you can [i]expect[/i] to get caught.
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Up to 5 years? That's it?
The linked article uses the words "prank" and "prankster" multiple times. This is not ordering someone else a pizza; this is ordering someone else a large group of hair-trigger people carrying deadly weapons and expecting violence. People like this should be restrained or executed, not so much for what they have done, as for being the sort of people who would do it.
Agreed. Some things you don't fuck with. Like pulling the fire alarm for kicks or calling the cops on innocent people.
I don't think it's attempted murder. More like reckless endangerment.
http://definitions.uslegal.com...
Reckless endangerment is a crime consisting of acts that create a substantial risk of serious physical injury to another person. The accused person isn't required to intend the resulting or potential harm, but must have acted in a way that showed a disregard for the foreseeable consequences of the actions. The charge may occur in various contexts, such as, among others, domestic cases, car accidents, construction site accidents, testing sites, domestic/child abuse situations, and hospital abuse. State laws and penalties vary, so local laws should be consulted.
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My feeling on the subject is that deliberately making a false report to generate an armed SWAT response should be charged and prosecuted as premeditated murder. The same as if they went and shot the people themselves. And if there's a miracle and the officers realize the report is false before someone is shot, it should still be charged and prosecuted as attempted murder, as if the person making the report attempted to kill someone themselves. Intentionally using the police as a weapon is no different than killing someone yourself. I would like to see them get the death penalty in these cases.
I disagree. If the SWAT team are so badly trained, they shouldn't be there in the first place. They are responsible for all their actions, and if they're relying on a civilian stranger's report, they should assume it's as likely to be bullshit as true.
That doesn't mean the "prankster" wasn't committing a very serious crime, ofc. But not attempted murder. The state must always be held fully responsible for its actions, no matter how good or bad the information on which it acts.
In most systems (including most of the US states), murder does indeed require intent. The charge for killing without prior intent is manslaughter. In most of the US states the appropriate charge in this case would probably be involuntary manslaughter, where your actions caused someone to die but you didn't have any intent, pre-existing or in the moment, to kill someone.
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Don't care about the hacking, but he should be tortured for swatting.
>. Perhaps I underestimate the power of the average handgun. As for the face, are there no effective bulletproof visors?
Remember the tip of the bullet is around 2mm or so. Imagine you have a stout nail. You place the nail against a piece of glass and hit it with a hammer, hard. You want glass thick enough to take that without breaking. There's not all that much POWER involved, but it's concentrated in a small area.
Bullet-resistant Lexan is something like two inches thick, so not only is it heavy but it a curved piece would refract quite a bit. Think "coke bottle glasses" times ten. So you've got a flat piece of material hanging off your face blocking your peripheral vision and it weighs as maybe half as much as a gallon of milk. That's not I what I want to wear in a fight.
The thing about guns and power levels is that to do their job they have to RELIABLY go through a leather jacket, the clothes underneath, three inches of fat and muscle, then somehow do enough damage to stop someone within seconds. That means that they MIGHT go through all kinds of things and still do enough damage that you die eventually.
is the question of why its so easy to get a large group of hair-triggered people carrying deadly weapons to violently storm someones house over nothing more than a single anonymous phone call.
Really? Thats all it takes??? some teenager with a cellphone & your address?
I think we need to do something about that.
Ars Technica reports that a Las Vegas teenager is in custody for multiple instances of swatting.
... but to me a nineteen year old is not a "teenager."
Don't care about the hacking, but he should be tortured for swatting.
No kidding. People could die from that. The days of the police sauntering in gun holstered saying "'ello 'ello what's all this then?" are flat gone, if they ever existed. If someone is bursting into your home with guns pointed, things can get lethal very quickly. Regardless of whether any crime was committed.
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
To understand why there is not a full suit body armor, you have to understand what body armor actually is and what it does. A 'bullet-proof vest' is a multi-layered fabric composed of Kevlar and other fabrics, with a pocket in the center of the front and the back that mostly covers just the heart, and into this pocket goes a ceramic and steel composite plate. The fabric of the vest is designed to take the force of the bullet that hits it and spread it out. So instead of a massive amount of energy concentrated on a point around 2-9mm in size, it gets diffused into the surrounding layers of Kelvar (instead of your flesh). And even then, you still get hurt, very badly, because it cannot stop all of the kinetic force of the bullet, it jsut spreads it out over a large area of your body. Broken ribs, bruised and ruptured internal organs, even spinal injuries are common when getting shot in the vest and that's when it works and stops the bullet from going inside you!
Why the plates then? Because the fabric mesh is often not enough to stop even handgun caliber rounds at close range. The plates are insurance, they will stop most small arms fire, though rifle rounds quickly overpower even full steel plates. Thus your heart is not likely to damaged in a firefight if you are wearing your vest. Its not foolproof at all and it definitely is not bullet proof.
The giant bulky armored suits you see the explosives guys wearing? That's not bullet proof either and its the closest thing we've got. That suit is protection against a detonating device because the detonation is usually unshaped. Even it will at best stop small arms fire, still has vulnerable gaps, and its heavy, and extremely hot. Its utterly un-tactical. If you want to see it in action, there is footage out there of a bank robbery in California from the 90's I think where a couple of guys in them held off police for a long while, tore the cops up badly but they were finally taken down due to exhaustion, vulnerability and the fact they were just too slow to actually get away.
The less than lethal devices in an officers arsenal are unreliable. Not in that they may misfire, though that is certainly true as well. Mace/CS Spray for example is a terrible weapon to rely on. Its a spray, in mist form or stream, that travels through the air to splash onto a target. It can splash back onto the officer at extremely close range. Heavy winds can make you miss your target, hit an innocent, your partner, other officers, and even yourself. Also, a certain (small)_ percentage of the population is flat out immune to it, and even if the target is not, its not debilitating, its just a massive irritant. Police train to work through the pain and distraction and civilians can too. Even alcohol can make a person not feel the sting, and that's a legal substance. Get into narcotics and its a crapshoot if it'll do anything at all other than make it more difficult to apprehend the target. (oh yeah, that stuff is liquid and gets on everything. good luck wrestling that dude to the ground and not getting it all over yourself if it didn't work.)
Tasers. ugh. Boon and bane in a single device. Injuries from tasing are common as they cause an adult human being to freeze up tight and fall over from a standing position. The effect of them is very powerful, but not that difficult to recover from, especially if you are full of adrenaline. So they come with multiple charges to make him get on the ground again. But, the more juice you pump through someone, the more likely it is for side effects to arise. (like death) Getting hit with multiple tasers at once is not recommended if you want a living suspect, they have a limited range as well, but that range is better than Mace and is like a leash for a target, as long as the barbs are in and the device has a charge, it can zap him again if needed. They can miss the target, they can hit too far apart to be effective, heavy winter coats can stop them. They are not a great solution, but they are what we have now. And using a taser on someone pointing a gun at you or anyone else...all your muscles spasm when you get juiced, there is a high chance the firearm in the targets hand will discharge and injure or kill someone.
Can you give an example of swat being used to apprehend a non-violent person?
Gibson Guitars. Gibson imported wood guitar components that we legally harvested and legally exported. Eventually the US gov't admitted Gibson did nothing wrong. However to investigate Gibon's possible improper importation of wood a heavily armed SWAT raid was conducted to seize their paperwork and the wood in question.
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Swatting is most likely a felony in many states. If it causes death then the offender can be charged with murder under the rule.
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Maybe cops should learn some restraint in their use of force?
Hm. That's one possible outcome of swatting. If there are a few high profile innocent deaths as a result, policy may be changed to approach more cautiously. But they'd have to be really high profile, and we (and the media) would have to really rub their noses in it. I don't see it happening.
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
Maybe cops should learn some restraint in their use of force?
They clearly could use better training. I was reading in the newspaper about a cop shooting. It was recorded on video and shows the cop repeatedly shouting "Don't move!", "Put your hands up!" "Don't move!" over and over again. The guy put his hands up and the cop shot and killed him. The cop says he's not a fault because he told the victim not to move.
There's another video on YouTube of a guy getting shot at a gas station after the cop shouts "Don't move!", "Show me your ID!", etc.The guy went to get his wallet and got shot because he moved.
Perhaps the cops could be trained to not give contradictory commands? How does one put their hands up without moving? If I were cynical I'd wonder if these cops just felt like shooting someone and so gave contradictory commands to "justify" doing it.
Your police is partially to blame as well.
I live in Germany go try and SWAT me, good luck.
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...who had no idea what "swatting" meant, until reading the linked article.
Since when do we use unknown/uncommon words in headlines ?
There's zero chance of that happening. Coming in with as many heavy weapons and officers as possible is great for them since it reduces the risks in their work and is in general fun and easy. There have been tens of people shot during raids recently including little children. Try to do something about it and all the police unions will go mental about how you hate cops and want them dead. They almost always get away with it as far as legal repercussions go too. The only way for them to get in trouble is to do something against their training. But their training is "if you feel the slightest bit threatened shoot at the problem until it goes away" so that's not happening either.
That would make it all the more sweet.
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I know, right? He "looks" like the sort of guy who uses his "autistic spectrum disorder" as an excuse when called on being a jerk, shouts homophobic epithets on Xbox Live and who is an example of the Internet Fuckwad Theory.
Personally I think the neckbeard appearance is how guys like him show conformity with their community. He probably wears some kind of fedora, or cape, or something. In 30 years time he'll look like Alan Cox, or RMS, probably.
Wasn't there some "Famedgod" a member of Anonymous who claimed responsibility for the Sony DDOS? Yep:
http://www.dailydot.com/crime/...
So what would happen if someone calls 112 saying a shooting happened at your residence? A Police officer shows up and calmly knocks on the door? I am inclined to agree that the swatting response in the us is way overkill. But no or minimal response likely isn't the answer either.
Agreed, and while I doubt the prosecution team would be dumb enough to try and peruse this as a hacking case, based on what I've read if they do the "perp" deserves to get off scot-free. I'm tired of these catch all laws being used Constnatly where they don't apply because prosecutors are either too lazy or too ignorant to determine the actual crime.
This is contradictory to the reduced IQ requirement. One man tried suing the police force for declining his application on the grounds that his IQ was too high. The supreme court upheld the force's decision. I believe that was a slashdot story around a year ago if anyone can post a link.
Sadly, a Libertarian cannot force his views on another, and freedom cannot spread as does the cancer known as religion.
So what would happen if someone calls 112 saying a shooting happened at your residence? A Police officer shows up and calmly knocks on the door? I am inclined to agree that the swatting response in the us is way overkill. But no or minimal response likely isn't the answer either.
Well first off, its Germany so not everyone is an armed nutcase. In fact most people will be very ordered and restrained.
Secondly, there will be more than one police officer. They typically work in pairs.
Thirdly, police officers in modern, functioning societies are trained to observe and measure up a situation before acting. So they'll take a look around and see that there's no need to call GSG 9.
Finally, even if there were a gunman, the officers would attempt to contain the situation and seek a non violent solution using force as a last resort only instead of going in half cocked, shooting everything that moves after which, they check to see if there is anything black that didn't get shot in the initial barrage.
Yep, those crazy Germans.
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