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Alcohol's Evaporating Health Benefits

New submitter Heart44 writes: A study in the British Medical Journal shows that consuming alcohol — any volume, any type — does not increase life expectancy. The full academic paper is not paywalled. From its conclusions: "Beneficial associations between low intensity alcohol consumption and all cause mortality may in part be attributable to inappropriate selection of a referent group and weak adjustment for confounders. Selection biases may also play a part." The associated editorial adds, "Firstly, in health as elsewhere, if something looks too good to be true, it should be treated with great caution. Secondly, health professionals should discourage suggestions that even low level alcohol use protects against cardiovascular disease and brings mortality benefits. Thirdly, health advice should come from health authorities, not from the alcohol industry, and, finally, the alcohol industry and its organizations should remove misleading references to health benefits from their information materials."

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  1. I love you man by goombah99 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You are the greatest, did you know than man. I mean I really Reealy love you. Now what was this article about. Oh. To your heath! cheers.
    Seriously, alchohol can creat fun opportunities to socialize and that's well known to be one of the singlemost important aspects of a healthy life. Or any life at all.

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    1. Re:I love you man by king+neckbeard · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, men don't need their inhibitions lowered to consent to sex. But they may need their inhibitions lowered to approach and confidently speak with women to get a chance to have said sex in the first place, or to prevent them from overthinking and ruining things.

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    2. Re:I love you man by sycodon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Everything in moderation...including moderation.

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    3. Re:I love you man by Rakarra · · Score: 4, Insightful

      FACT: Alcohol is a poison to the human body. One can fatally overdose from consumption, and it has killed millions in human history.

      You know, you can make the same claim about water. You can easily overdose, it's killed millions, etcetc.

      Your body is a balancing act. The ingestion of any substance beyond your body's ability to process it will cause long-term harm, etcetcetc.

  2. Brittish Medical Journal, HA! by unixcorn · · Score: 5, Funny

    Consuming alcohol certainly does improve life expectancy. Drinking is the only thing keeping me from killing someone almost every day!

  3. Don't believe anything by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The real take home lesson for this is not to put much faith in any observational study. Such studies typically inflate the magnitude of the putative effect (both for 'good' and 'bad'), typically use inappropriate statistical methodology and suffer from various well known sources of bias (as noted in TFA).

    Unfortunately, it makes progress in the medical field very slow and inconsistent since good studies are difficult to impossible to do. Basically, you're gonna die at some point. Within some broad levels of moderation, do what makes you happy. Imbibe what ever makes you feel good.

    Don't sweat the details. Even though we live in a world with horrible chemicals, air pollution, endocrine disrupters, radiation, GMOs and PETA most of the Western world is living longer and healthier than ever. Not that there aren't problems with the world - presumably we can do better, but the constant drumbeat of falling skies can safely be ignored.

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  4. The Pendulum by ScooterComputer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So, the pendulum has finally swung back to center, where anyone with an ounce of intellect could have figured it belonged all along. Alcohol isn't "good for you", moderate consumption is neither good nor particularly bad, and overconsumption (as with most things) has consequences. Hysteria on both sides--prohibitionists and snake-oil peddlers--discredited.

    Not surprised.

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  5. It changes every week by ZorinLynx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Eggs are bad for you! Eggs are good for you! Meat is bad for you! Meat is good for you! Alcohol is good for you! Alcohol isn't good for you!

    I swear, if you listen to and heed all this advice you will go crazy. I think the best thing to do is ignore all this crap, eat *reasonably* (not too much of any one thing, have a balanced diet) and just ENJOY the things you like, regardless of people saying they're good or bad for you, because life is short anyway and we might as well enjoy it while we have it.

    I see so many eating bland vegan diets, thinking it's so good for them; I doubt any of them will live longer than typical omnivores.

  6. other shocking revelations about alcohol. by nimbius · · Score: 4, Informative

    1. That giant frozen bullet train traveling at six times the speed of sound through crowded metropolitan areas is not only fake, but scientifically impossible.
    2. Budweiser is found with friends and during good times, but is also accompanied by its lesser known entourage blurred vision, karaoke, screaming, and in high levels nudity and parking lot fits of vomiting.
    3. The anthropomorphic frogs could never enunciate a trademarked brand name, and the black screaming "whats up" men were no more than modern day black minstrel charicatures. your black friends cannot be counted on to make this noise as consistently as claimed.
    4. patron, fireball, hennessey, hypnotiq, and hundreds of other brands arent directly marketed to youth. Unless you count about a hundred different songs or more that directly associate them with happiness, friendship, and success.
    5. 7 martinis and a suit makes you a vomiting insurance liability, not james bond.
    6. Dogs and clydesdales do not drink or transport alcohol anymore. Alcohol is transported through a sophisticated network of trucking and trans national freight.
    7. Your government lies to you about alcohol because it enjoys a sizeable degree of revenue from its sale through artificially imposed monopoly, driving checkpoints, fines, and incarceration.

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  7. Did they take suicide into account? by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm just saying after a year in the control group I'd have been ready to end it all :)

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  8. Not a study by Tx · · Score: 5, Informative

    Very misleading summary (yeah, duh). This is not a study, it is an editorial. Someone's opinion. It says so right at the top. Note at the bottom of the article; "Provenance and peer review: Commissioned; not externally peer reviewed."

    It's incredibly misleading to cite this article as a "study", all it is is an opinion piece article, nothing more.

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    1. Re:Not a study by Tx · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ok, now I've seen the link to the study, I take back what I said above. Sorry, I've been drinking.

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  9. Article debunked here... by shabble · · Score: 5, Interesting

    http://velvetgloveironfist.blo...

    The [lack of health benefits] claim is based on the fact that most of the risk reductions in the latter two tables are not statistically significant, except for women aged 65 and over. But there is a simple reason for this which some cynical people would call a trick. A relatively small sample has been taken and then split into different age groups, sexes and consumption levels to create dozens of even smaller samples. This, combined with the fact that there are relatively few never-drinkers to use as a reference, makes it very difficult to generate statistically significant results from any individual group.

    If you combined the age groups, the reduction in mortality would reach significance. If you combined the genders, it would reach significance. If you combined the various different drinking levels and simply compared those who drank moderately with those who never drank, it would reach significance.

  10. Who cares about length of life..... by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Good Bourbon and Whiskey increase the QUALITY of life dramatically.

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  11. Re:Winston Churchill by rogoshen1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you're sober and *happy* the morning after drinking; you drank in moderation.
    (Or you're Irish.)

  12. Re: The health benefit of alcohol by rogoshen1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So if she drives a car, and is pulled over -- what then? Is she similarly not responsible for her actions? Or does alcohol's ability to invalidate someone's decision making ability only apply to sex?