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Google Taking Over New TLDs
bobo the hobo writes: In the corner of the internet where people care about DNS, there is a bit of an uproar at Google's application for over a hundred new top-level domains, including .dev, .lol, .app, .blog, .cloud and .search. Their application includes statements such as: "By contrast, our application for the .blog TLD describes a new way of automatically linking new second level domains to blogs on our Blogger platform – this approach eliminates the need for any technical configuration on the part of the user and thus makes the domain name more user friendly." They also mention limiting usage of .dev to Google only: "Second-level domain names within the proposed gTLD are intended for registration and use by Google only, and domain names under the new gTLD will not be available to the general public for purchase, sale, or registration. As such, [Google's shell company] intends to apply for an exemption to the ICANN Registry Operator Code of Conduct as Google is intended to be the sole registrar and registrant."
it's for us only. we won't do any evil by hogging it.
Google is just trying to bully the world for its own interest; not unusual at all. Now will ICANN put its foot down or will every other Fortune 500 company do the same thing and subvert the intention of the creation of new TLDs?
Google must be using .dev internally. This move is only to prevent others from confusing things.
If I need the web site of a church, I wouldn't try name-of-church.church, but I would just search for name-of-church in google. Who cares about the URL ?
I think their application for .dev to be Google-only highlights a major problem with a company like this having control over any TLDs: They intend to use their control to crowd out competitors in a monopolistic fashion. That no non-Google developer can register a .dev is akin to saying that if you don't work for Google you're not really a developer. The only TLD restriction I would be OK with Google having reserved entirely for personal use is .google - and even that I'd be wary of without concrete rule for revoking the exclusive use if a good reason comes up.
Why dev... developers are not exclusive to Google. dev is as generica a domain as you can get, hence TLD hence not google only.
I guess they are doing it because descriptive TLDs makes search a tiny little bit less necessary.
On the other hand search - or at least search that might deliver relevant results rather than the spam that Google delivers - would make DNS almost completely unnecessary
Google isn't likely to give us that kind of search. Ever.
Google Scholar notwithstanding.
I am watching the "new generation" use the internet/web browser. They don't do it the way we (I?) did. They have little concept of "url" or web site address. Any resource they access is entered into the ever-present search box or "magic combo url bar", as series of search terms or a common name. They rely on the (non-standartized but helpful) search subsystem (usually, Google, but not always) to bring them to the right place. Domain names with their formal fixed format are not part of their use pattern, and I don't expect that to change.
So, let it be .whatever.
Where would be the most visible and likely to be heard place to express disapproval over this policy?
My feeling has been that TLDs should be publicly available, not privately held...
systemd
HOSTS
when will the next competitor come to unset googles eventual strangle on the way to access and search websites. This move is BS and should not be allowed except as stated .google or a few other domains but they should be made available to the public.
by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
As the leader of the rebel alliance fifteen years ago I gotta say it's too late to do much now. Google is just dong what ICANN let them and the real problem is with them.
DHT will replace DNS
It's out there. Look for it.
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And soon or later, why wouldn't any larger organization apply for their own TLD:s? And how long until the rules are changed to allow organization names or product trademarks as TLD:s? Then everyone may just register <organization>, <product>, <whatever> as their domain. And some lucky gals or guys get "mail" (like mail.com before) and try to sell it to the highest bidder.
I don't see much advantage to this TLD proliferation.
I think .dev should be like example.com: not able to register so DEVELOPERS (re: NOT GOOGLE) can use like, [mydomain].dev to develop, and not have to create wonky local host names.
But example.com is not like that. It's an actual domain name that was reserved due to developer abuse, mostly out of ignorance that there's the dedicated .invalid TLD already (un)assigned for that use.
If google is the sole registrar of all .blog domain names, then you never actually 'own' it.
While I understand the convenience aspect of it, the user cannot transfer it out and is forced to use Google Blogger, and ONLY Blogger. Despite the fact that there are thousands of ways to get a blog online.
On the topic of .dev: I also don't understand where they are coming from with the .dev TLD. I can see it being valuable to both developers and device makers. Why wouldn't they try to capitalize it instead of hog it to themselves?
DHT will replace DNS
Dihydrotestosterone will replace DNS? Just great, now we'll all go bald.
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
Now will ICANN put its foot down
It had better hope so, because giving entire TLDs to specific big companies could easily be the straw that breaks the camel's back in terms of the rest of the world accepting US-led administration of the general Internet. There's plenty of scepticism already, but organisations like ICANN are tolerated because frankly no-one has much of a better idea or wants to take on the responsibility. However, it is not difficult to think of a better idea than letting big businesses rewrite the established rules in arguably the most important address space in the world today for their own benefit.
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
that the new TLDs were a stupid idea and the only reason they were implemented is that the beancounters are in charge instead of the car guys.
The GNU Name System, nameCoin..
Distributed Hash Tables.
I might be guessing wrong here, but I'm thinking the primary intention of these new TLDs was to earn ICANN shitloads of money. It costs $185,000 just to apply for one, and $25,000/year to keep it.
Every Fortune 500 company doing the same thing would be a dream come true for them.
If I were an entity that had its own TLD, say .ebh, it would be nice if people could get to my site with the minimalist URL http://ebh. Is there any way to disambiguate a TLD from a nonqualified host name to make that possible?
I think .dev should be like example.com: not able to register so DEVELOPERS (re: NOT GOOGLE) can use like, [mydomain].dev to develop, and not have to create wonky local host names.
RFC 2606 reserves 4 TLDs for this purpose: .test .example .invalid .localhost
I've always used .test for domains for QA/test deployments. It also reserves the example.* second level domain name across all TLDs.
I think there are some other reserved TLDs, including ".xy" and some 63-character name that was something like "sixtythreecharacterdomainnamefortestingpurposes" , but I can't find the RFC. Anyone?
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The GNU Name System, nameCoin..
Yes. Namecoin is a great replacement for DNS. It is implemented using bitcoin technology, and you can exchange them for bitcoins too.
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# grep slashdot access.log | grep html | sort | uniq | wc -l 2604
relay country TLDs, com net org info to icann, refuse to relay specific stuff like museum, edu, gov, mil (they can use country tlds, if they want) and open the new stuff like .dev .app for everyone, ignoring the monetized use in the icann dns.
RNS? oh, its just complementing dns. maybe ribosomes?
Blockchain stuff will turn out as bullshit. It's not really democracy, it does not scale well and its waste of ressources. the GNS model is more useful, because YOU define who you want to trust.
not sure how new of a generation you mean but I see this every day from 6th - 12th graders.
Even when being explicitly told what to type and where most will end up at the wrong URL because they don't listen and think that search is the way to enter addresses.
10 year lease on each TLD. 9 years in each goes to public auction which determines the rate for the next 10 year lease.
It was to keep .dev out of the hands of Steve Ballmer!
The Infamous "Developers" Rant
Oops! Mea culpa. Note to self: watch the video before you post it!
Really, the Infamous Steve Ballmer "Developers" Rant
When was the last time ICANN put its foot down? Hell when was the first?
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Hey somebody has to pay for the quarterly five star junkets and 3X government scale salaries. A lot of the 1099's are online.
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It's complicated.
the RFC series defines what TLDs are not usable they're for test and local use.
ICANN maintains a list of second level words you will not use. Fifteen years ago this was "nasa" and "olympic" and it's grown substantially since then to incide batshit insane stuff like the list of all pharmaceuticals. I haven't looked in a while but I think "caffeine" was one of them. There's probably more now, the IP lawyers had their way with ICANN for a decade before any new tlds saw the light of day fifteen years after Postel said "hey, lets do this, start building registries folks. Send your TLD applications to IANA". They did and Jon published a lit of all the applications and names he received.
Pursuant to RFC 1591 says "first come first served" and "these principles apply to all levels of the DNS". So of course ICANN and the lawyers just ignored it.
That is, their fist move was to ignore the consensus we codified in the RFC series. Pretty impressive for an organization whose mandate when chartered by the USG was to "measure and implement the consensus of the internet community".
Here's another one - the $25 domain renewal late fee. Where is the "consensus of the community" for that one? It's a regressive tax ad one only the registrar's want. The registries don't care they never see it.
So we have a case where 0.000000000001% of the net wants it, it costs the users millions. How is this the "consensus of the internet community".
Cost to provision any domain is under one cent. If you're not in the US currency exchange and all the bullshit fees are edging the price of lapsed domain near to the $100 point which is where the net went to war a dozen years ago to counter, which let to ICANN who then enabled the problem they were created to solve.
Can you tell the government and lawyers had their hands all over this or what?
This is why the net neutrality legislation makes me nervous, the only other tie th e guvmint got involved they screwed the pooch badly, with the same apparent good intent then as now.
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.delta is the canonical example. Who gets this, Delta Faucets or Delta Airlines?
I turned on the tap and didn't get an airline schedule. Man, I'm one confused consumer.
(Trademarks exists to 1) identify the source of good or a service in a specific geographical area and 2) "consumer confusion" is the metric by which you judge infringement)
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I got to pile on about this.
".dev, .lol, .app, .blog, .cloud and .search." .dev certainly has usefulness well beyond Google. ICANN should refuse this outright. .app? After the fight with Apple, let ICANN deny both of them. .cloud? See .dev for the explanation. .lol? More of the same. .search? Ask Yahoo, Microsoft, and Steve Wolfram about this. .blog? Remarkably tone deaf.
ICANN should specifically refuse not only Google, but any Google-related applicant.
Unimaginable. I'll be looking to file comments on these with the relevant parties.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
Actually, there is no technical reason to limit .TLDs to a single registrar. Oh, wait...
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
.arpa says you're wrong. as does .mil
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You might with to look to see who attended the interagency task force that caused DoC/NTIA to end up with names and numbers in their bailiwick in the first place.
What you're suggesting is akin gto "omg Santa's gonna take over xmas!"
See also the SAIC/General Atomics connection to the original NSF / Internic cooperative agreement.
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If you are in control of the entire domain name space why wouldn't you just add that domain set to your own private DNS servers and call it a day? There is no need to make it public since a huge chunk of DNS queries are already handled by Google.
Sorry for the typo folks.
-Google
"Consensus" in science is _always_ a political construct.
But because it is web of trust, names are neccesarily global. I think easier to tweak a blockchain than to get a lot of people to use web or trust properly.
What?
Is there one anybody's ever heard of?
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