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First Fully Digital Radio Transmitter Built Purely From Microprocessor Tech

Zothecula writes For the first time in history, a prototype radio has been created that is claimed to be completely digital, generating high-frequency radio waves purely through the use of integrated circuits and a set of patented algorithms without using conventional analog radio circuits in any way whatsoever. This breakthrough technology promises to vastly improve the wireless communications capabilities of everything from 5G mobile technology to the multitude devices aimed at supporting the Internet of Things (IoT).

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  1. B.S. Alert by Lije+Baley · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No actual info in article, just hype and buzzwords.

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    1. Re:B.S. Alert by raind · · Score: 1

      You mean like IoT? I cringe when I see that lol.

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    2. Re:B.S. Alert by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 3, Informative

      The article says: "The Pizzicato digital radio transmitter consists of an integrated circuit outputting a single stream of bits, and an antenna ".

      That doesn't sound like 'Purely from Microprocessor Tech' to me. It sounds like a strap-on peripheral chip, which is not at all 'Purely microprocessor.'

    3. Re:B.S. Alert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The article says: "The Pizzicato digital radio transmitter consists of an integrated circuit outputting a single stream of bits, and an antenna ".

      That doesn't sound like 'Purely from Microprocessor Tech' to me. It sounds like a strap-on peripheral chip, which is not at all 'Purely microprocessor.'

      At a guess: the engineer came up with some cool ideas that simplified things/made them smaller/gave some technical advantage, then marketting completely misrepresented their work via this festering pile of half-understood buzzwords and hype.

      Outputting a stream of bits into an antenna? With no convential radio circuits (like filters, DA converters, PWM, amps etc)? No. Just no.

    4. Re:B.S. Alert by aXis100 · · Score: 1

      That's a bit harsh and fails to see the significance.

      From the article: "There are no analog circuits, no filters, no chokes, none of the traditional circuitry and components expected in a radio transmitter."

      If it can be built as an peripheral chip, it can also be built onto the same silicon as a microprocessor.

    5. Re:B.S. Alert by mixed_signal · · Score: 5, Informative

      Most of the people commenting on this story have no clue about signal processing or radios. It is quite possible to feed a "stream of bits" to an analog filter and create a clean analog signal. This is effectively what 1-bit delta-sigma data converters do, and it is close to what Class-D audio amplifiers do. The trick is indeed doing this with wide bandwidth signals and sufficient oversampling to have good signal quality. To get wide bandwidth at 5GHz, they probably are running the sampling rate in the GHz range to get a few 10's of MHz bandwidth and picking off (filtering/selecting) a harmonic at 5GHz. An antenna and matching network are a type of filter network. There's a lot of innovation in these areas, and it's annoying to see uniformed /.'ers dumping on an area they don't understand.

    6. Re:B.S. Alert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you missed the part where they said "First Fully Digital Radio Transmitter Built Purely From Microprocessor Tech".

    7. Re:B.S. Alert by Lije+Baley · · Score: 2

      What you say is plenty familiar to some of us, but RTFA and you'll see that it gives no technical clue as to what their innovative contribution is. It just sounds like it was written to attract uninformed investors.

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    8. Re:B.S. Alert by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

      Right. Then it's a peripheral chip embedded onto the same die as a microprocessor. And still not a microprocessor.

    9. Re:B.S. Alert by mixed_signal · · Score: 4, Informative

      The posts here I'm referring to are mindlessly dumping on the whole idea or possibility of there either being anything novel here or that it would actually work. Similar techniques are quite common in signal processing and audio, and we've been approaching all-digital radio technology incrementally for about 20 years now. The biggest novelty here is that they're claiming to be effectively all digital at 5GHz. While "Microprocessor Tech" may be an annoying marketing buzzword or mangling of terminology, the digital techniques and circuitry are valid, some of them are probably novel, and there are indeed many similarities to digital processing circuits found in microprocessors, as the original press release states. There's hype in their release about "no traditional radio parts," where there's likely to be at least an antenna match, but that's not the level of detail these folks are writing about here. Disappointing for a technology oriented site.

    10. Re:B.S. Alert by mixed_signal · · Score: 2

      Well, they'd better have something to show... From the release:
      "Cambridge Consultants is demonstrating Pizzicato at Mobile World Congress in Barcelona, March 2-5, stand 7B21 in Hall 7."

    11. Re:B.S. Alert by Kohath · · Score: 1

      From the we-don't-really-know-how-radios-work dept.

    12. Re:B.S. Alert by wierd_w · · Score: 2

      This is both NOT the first time, and as stated, NOT purely microprocessor tech.

      For the real McCoy, look back to the 70s, with the Altair.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    13. Re:B.S. Alert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Explicitly no DAC and PWM as this is being done through switching. I'd hazard a guess that the RF amplifier isn't integrated, but it's an extremely cheap and compact device.

    14. Re:B.S. Alert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      strap-on

      Hah.

    15. Re:B.S. Alert by itzly · · Score: 1

      This is effectively what 1-bit delta-sigma data converters do, and it is close to what Class-D audio amplifiers do

      But they do this using frequencies that are much higher than the frequency of the resulting waveform. That's okay when you want to generate 20kHz waveforms, but you can't do that with a 5 GHz signal using current technology.

      And generating a lower frequency signal (in 10's of MHz range), and picking off a high harmonic doesn't work either. You'll get terrible efficiency because you're throwing away most of the spectrum, and you also need narrowband, adjustable filters. That blows the "all digital" right out of the water.

    16. Re:B.S. Alert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "...it's annoying to see uniformed /.'ers dumping on an area they don't understand."

      You have just described Slashdot

    17. Re:B.S. Alert by bug1 · · Score: 2

      For the first time in history, a prototype story has been created that is claimed to be completely buzzwords,

    18. Re:B.S. Alert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't say it is a microprocessor, but done with "microprocessor tech" which seems to imply they mean it can be made in the same way a microprocessor can.

    19. Re:B.S. Alert by kheldan · · Score: 1

      I don't even have to read the article to say '..no, that's completely wrong'. You have to have some minimal RF circuitry in any transmitter or receiver or it just plain won't work; you have to have at least the final RF amplifier circuit, otherwise where do you get transmit power to the antenna? Even purely digital communications devices (read as: WiFi, for instance) have this. You can put much of it in silicon now, but there has to be some external to it, too, and if it has any serious transmit power, the final amp has to be external.

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    20. Re:B.S. Alert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of the people commenting on this story have no clue about signal processing or radios. It is quite possible to feed a "stream of bits" to an analog filter and create a clean analog signal.

      And you didn't read the article.

      There are no analog circuits, no filters, no chokes, none of the traditional circuitry and components expected in a radio transmitter.

      Other than that it's just buzzwords and BS. Nothing about how it actually works.

      The posts here I'm referring to are mindlessly dumping on the whole idea or possibility of there either being anything novel here or that it would actually work.

      Okay, if it does something novel, what is it? All I see is smoke and mirrors. If there's a patent, what is it? I did a few searches and can't find one.

    21. Re: B.S. Alert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      infection of testicles?

  2. BS - You can't patent algorithms by Virtucon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Must be a slow news day. You can't patent algorithms

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    1. Re:BS - You can't patent algorithms by nichogenius · · Score: 2

      You can try... and there's a high chance that a jury wouldn't know that.

    2. Re:BS - You can't patent algorithms by Virtucon · · Score: 1

      There's already legal precedent of course lawyers could craft it in such a way that an algorithm looks like a tangible invention.

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    3. Re:BS - You can't patent algorithms by BitterOak · · Score: 1

      Must be a slow news day. You can't patent algorithms

      So, how do you explain the fact that the RSA public key encryption algorithm was patented for 20 years?

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    4. Re:BS - You can't patent algorithms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you think that you can apply it to this case? Integrated circuit design isn't classified as algorithms, software or physical properties.

      Integrated circuits are typically protected by Integrated circuit layout design protection

    5. Re:BS - You can't patent algorithms by Virtucon · · Score: 1

      How can a guy get a patent for a method to exercise cats with a laser pointer? It happens and there's always one patent examiner who doesn't do the job correctly, but that's the overall problem with patent reform right? Laws change, rulings can be overturned but for now at least you can't patent an algorithm. You can patent a software invention however that uses algorithms but that software invention must be innovative and unique.

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  3. Right. by Obfuscant · · Score: 0
    For the first time in history ...

    This. Or This.

    1. Re: Right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What they meant was "for the first time in public history" duhhh

    2. Re:Right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are those fully digital though?

    3. Re: Right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, what they mean is for the first time in history since they have ladt checked, which is never.

  4. Software defined radio frequency? by nichogenius · · Score: 1

    Sounds way too good to be true... but it should make the lives of the FCC a living Hell... I mean how many people would willingly use the crowded 2.4 GHz spectrum for anything if they had a cheap and easy alternative? Looking forward to apps named FreqManip for all of my bottleneck bypassing needs... yeah I'll believe it when I see it.

    1. Re:Software defined radio frequency? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As if you can't do it today by hacking the firmware blob of your wifi chip.
      Sometimes not much hacking is required - just change reg domain and use frequencies from different country.

    2. Re:Software defined radio frequency? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >I mean how many people would willingly use the crowded 2.4 GHz spectrum for anything if they had a cheap and easy alternative?

      All of the ones that don't want the FCC (or other national equivalents) to slap them with a 5 digit fine or worse, e.g. http://www.arrl.org/news/view/fcc-cites-washington-resident-for-causing-interference-on-amateur-frequencies

      Transmitting on frequencies you're not licensed to use is serious business.

    3. Re:Software defined radio frequency? by everett · · Score: 1

      Before you consider doing that you should look up "notice of apparent liability for forfeiture" I think the average fine is 25,000 for willfully transmitting when you don't have permission to do so. And the FCC has nice new direction finding equipment.

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  5. The trick is a clean signal with no harmonics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No problem generating RF with digital circuits; it has been done for decades. The trick is to generate clean frequencies with no significant harmonic content and no spurs. Now perhaps the cicuits used in this article are digital and analog on one silicon substrate. Certainly a DAC can be made using a semiconductor resistor network fabbed on the same substrate as the digital electronics. And capacitors and inductors can be fabbed on a silicon substrate. I would like to see the details of what they are actually doing. "Pure digital" sounds like a phony to me.

  6. Oh Come On, it's a Press Release by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 4, Insightful

    OK, no real technical data and some absurd claims here.

    First all-digital transceiver? No. There have been others. Especially if you allow them to have a DAC and an ADC and no other components in the analog domain, but even without that, there are lots of IoT-class radios with direct-to-digital detectors and digital outputs directly to the antenna. You might have one in your car remote (mine is two-way).

    And they have to use patented algorithms? Everybody else can get along with well-known technology old enough that any applicable patents are long expired.

    It would be nicer if there was some information about what they are actually doing. If they really have patented it, there's no reason to hold back.

  7. Could be using up sampled delta-sigma by monkeyxpress · · Score: 1

    The article seems to be full of PR, but from what it describes I'm guessing this is a delta sigma front end and they are selecting off a suitably placed alias to do the modulation. If they have managed to get the noise shaping right then conceivably a standard antenna could suffice as the aliasing filter, which would be quite an achievement. Also getting the timing and jitter performance right are tricky issues they would have to be solved in a low cost product. I can't imagine what else they could mean by all digital, and if they've built this then it is actually quite an exciting development for low power radio. Definitely could bring the cost of systems down by a lot.

    1. Re:Could be using up sampled delta-sigma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And doing this *sucks* power compared to a well designed small analog system, which turns the purchase cost of potentially cheaper hardware into operating electrical cost.

  8. TI calculators by Zeroko · · Score: 2

    People have done this on TI calculators (& likely other systems with similarly little shielding & sufficient clock rates). No hardware support needed—just cause some long enough trace (e.g. on the data bus) to oscillate at the correct frequency. Granted, a 6 MHz Z80 can pretty much only only do AM radio (& can only be picked up right next to the radio), but the principle is not new.

    1. Re:TI calculators by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      Yeah well TI Calculators are not part of the IOT, so they're irrelevant.

      Among the major epoch's of mankind, the IOT will stand shoulder to shoulder with the dawn of the MBA and the first marketing degrees.

      Full speed ahead.

  9. Digital logic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Is built from analog parts.

    1. Re:Digital logic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is built from analog parts.

      What if analog parts are build from a computer simulation?

    2. Re:Digital logic by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Not really. Unless it's possibly ECL digital logic, where the transistors are operated in a linear region. The 'analog parts' you speak of are run in saturated switching mode, i.e. not analog.

  10. just posting the press releases now are we... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    where's the beef, Dice?

  11. Utter garbage by Ozoner · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I could build a "Fully Digital Radio Transmitter" in a few minutes using a Crystal and a CMOS gate.

    1. Re:Utter garbage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well, *I* can build a fully-digital radio transmitter using a 9v and a paperclip!

    2. Re:Utter garbage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      God damn it... Marconi... where did you get the paperclip? I thought that gay little MSoft thing died off in the 2000's.

    3. Re:Utter garbage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PATENT INFRINGER!!!

      You owe me a beeelion $$$

    4. Re:Utter garbage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      God damn it... Marconi... where did you get the paperclip? I thought that gay little MSoft thing died off in the 2000's.

      Probably got it from the same place you got "gay" as an epithet. Somehow, in the past 15 years, the word "gay" has almost become a complement.

      Odd, eh? Say hi to Clippy for me.

    5. Re: Utter garbage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Compliment? It used to be a compliment, but being called a sexual deviant is hardly a compliment.

    6. Re: Utter garbage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You missed the memo. Gays aren't considered deviant anymore. Thanks to the internet, you have to be a furry with an amputee-vore-extreme-body-modification-BDSM fetish to be considered a deviant.

      Indeed, people are likely to consider gays as friendly and trustworthy while viewing priests with misgivings and distrust. Odd reversal, eh?

  12. We did this in 1967 on the IBM 1620 by k2backhoe · · Score: 5, Informative

    The 1620 was an all digital machine built of discrete transistors. As an undergraduate, we wrote programs that caused the machine to alternate between two loops at a variable rate. The computer radiated so many harmonics that this could be heard all across the AM band where no strong station existed. We programmed it to play (mostly) classical music, "Flight of the Bumblebee" was the perennial favorite. Any truly all digital transmitter will generate harmonics outside of the allowable FCC band, so at the very least they need a really good analog bandpass filter on the output.

    1. Re:We did this in 1967 on the IBM 1620 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do what the digital audio people have been doing for decades: Expand the bandwidth of your signal to also cover a wide range beyond the target band, then use the wide empty band between target band and the generated harmonics to get away with a cheap and simple filter.

  13. Why this will fail by currently_awake · · Score: 1

    All digital circuitry is very noisy. It generates harmonics and switching noise over a huge range of the radio spectrum, meaning it MUST have output filtering to work in the real (legal) world. Analog circuitry uses less power for the same RF output, making it a poor choice for mobile use. And if it's not mobile then you won't care about adding a few capacitors and resistors to filter the output.

    1. Re:Why this will fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes, but I'm sure they don't count all those pesky things like pcb materials and copper traces as "analog components" like the rest of us microwave engineers. To me, pcb substrate, capacitors, inductors, pcb substrate are all the same shit. Just different ratios of materials...

    2. Re:Why this will fail by mixed_signal · · Score: 1

      The antenna and matching network form a bandpass filter. For a data converter we'd call them a type of reconstruction filter. (It's funny to see people say things like "all digital circuitry is noisy," and yet they probably listen to MP3 or CD audio...)

    3. Re:Why this will fail by itzly · · Score: 1

      (It's funny to see people say things like "all digital circuitry is noisy," and yet they probably listen to MP3 or CD audio...)

      Why is that funny ? It's not like people can hear MHz-GHz range switching noise in their MP3/CD audio.

  14. not that hard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is not a first. I did this a couple of years ago with an FPGA. Fully digital synthesis with a delta-simga DAC. I hung a 1M wire off the CMOS output, and got a range of about 50'. Pretty basic software radio stuff.

  15. Digital Transmitters are Trival by kd3bj · · Score: 1

    All digital transmit is easy and has been done with FSK, BPSK, OOK, and numerous other K's by many people lots of different ways. We do this as a class exercise at 228 MHz using a Digilent FPGA board (Nestor, J. A., & Nadovich, C. (2009). An FPGA-based wireless network capstone project. In 2009 IEEE International Conference on Microelectronic Systems Education, MSE 2009 (pp. 53–56).) Much more difficult is all digital _receive_ as you need to conquor the selectivity and sensitivity problems. It's hard to avoid using at least a balanced mixer in the receiver.

    1. Re:Digital Transmitters are Trival by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> It's hard to avoid using at least a balanced mixer in the receiver.

      Not if you don't need down-conversion further than a digital DDS in an FPGA. Mixing (down-conversion / up-conversion) can easily be accomplished digitally in an FPGA with a complex-multiply and DDS.

    2. Re: Digital Transmitters are Trival by asliarun · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I do not know too much about this, but I read about Intel Rosepoint that seems to be the same thing. Is that not so? And this was 3 years ago.

      http://arstechnica.com/informa...

  16. Meeting 1000's of Specs by MacroSlopp · · Score: 1

    It's very easy to make a digital transmitter. It's very hard to meet the thousands of compliance specs (spectral emission mask, spectral flatness, adjacent channel interference, etc).
    One day this will happen, but I'm not convinced it's today.

  17. Old idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A little late. We did it with AM transmission using traces on PC motherboard years ago. Just had to send data patterns to generate RF waveform in AM band.

    Don't forget the musical hard-drives we had as well.

  18. Already done on a RaspberryPi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://hackaday.com/2014/06/15/easily-turn-your-raspberry-pi-into-an-fm-transmitter/

    Basically they are bit-bashing FM on a GPIO pin

  19. Cheap multi room home audio by sansprivacy · · Score: 1

    If motherboards came with this maybe your desktop pc could be used for simple multiroom audio

  20. Hyperbole much? by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 1

    "The significance of this new technology cannot be overstated:"

    I believe you just did.

  21. Intel Rosepoint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is this different than the Intel Rosepoint chip?
    http://venturebeat.com/2012/09/13/after-a-decade-of-research-intel-shows-off-its-digital-radio-chip/

  22. Hertz and Marconi beat them to it by Gim+Tom · · Score: 2

    Uh, The spark gap transmitters used by Hertz and Marconi were digital (Morse code is a digital protocol) and for the most part the only tuning was done by the antenna. Latter there was some sort of tank circuit or resonant tuning added, but I don't think so in the beginning.

    1. Re:Hertz and Marconi beat them to it by itzly · · Score: 1

      Sure, but now try to make that into a nice clean modulated signal compliant with FCC regulations.

    2. Re:Hertz and Marconi beat them to it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. I was going to mention morse code transmissions. Shame I'm just an a/c or I would mod you up.

  23. I did this via a Raspberry Pi with a piece of soft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Raspberry Pi has software that will do it, up to a few hundred MHz

  24. Sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Too bad its patented, means it will newer take over the world...

  25. I'm already doing this at home by naich · · Score: 2

    I already listen to music from my Raspberry Pi using it as a transmitter with no analogue components - http://naich.net/wordpress/?p=...

  26. Not that hard to make digital radio by Theovon · · Score: 1

    Depending on the frequency band (i.e. not terahertz), it's not that hard to make an arbitrary digital signal encoder that produces an analog signal, after a little bit of filtering. For instance, it's common enough to do audio by wigging a single bit and then passing that through a low-pass filter.

    If they're claiming to do it without ANY analog hardware, then I call BS. However, there is filtering inherent in the digital circuits. I could imagine using a genetic programming to learn code sequences that produced desired signals as basically cross talk. However, process variation could really muck with that.

    As for receiving, that's not too hard either. Say you want to receive a wide band of frequencies. You can make a band-pass filter in the analog and convert that to digital using an ADC. Once in the digital domain, you can separate the channels using fourier analysis or Taylor series.

  27. ALL circuits are - and Raspberry PI FM Transmitter by bradgoodman · · Score: 1
    Absolutely no idea why this is something "new". Any oscillating (digital) circuit is an RF transmitter - though this is almost always an unwanted side effect.

    There have been a lot of people (too many references to site) who do things like make FM transmitters out of a Raspberry PI.

    I used to play with making my Apple ][+ do wonky things to transmit weird noise to my FM radio back in the day...

  28. Sounds like 9G by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From GTA V.

  29. The physical world is entirely analog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Digital is just an interpretation.

    The press release is pretty ridiculous on many counts. Been thought of and done long ago just being a start.

  30. sigh, boring by mlwmohawk · · Score: 1

    They have been doing this with sound for some time. Radio is just faster. (Yes, I know that is WAY oversimplified). At radio frequencies, any electrical engineer will tell you there is no such thing as digital. The edge of a square wave is not perfectly straight. It is a noisy curve based on the impedance of the circuit and the current used to drive the transition. There is inductance and capacitance in every conveyance of electricity. In a "clean" circuit, the effect of this parasitic L/C is either negligible or compensated for.

    A radio antenna is, by definition, an analog part which electrically resembles a coil with some capacitance . So even the title misleading. The fact that they can us algorithms to control the digital signal in such a way that the antenna will smooth it out into a radio wave is kind of cool, but it isn't a crazy breakthrough. You can see almost every computer on a spectrum analyzer as radio wave source. This is just a neat trick, like getting the line printer to sound like music by sending the right stuff to print.

  31. Yep BS by jimbob6 · · Score: 1

    This isn't new at all, far less "the first". The Altair 8800 didn't have any sound capabilities so people used to tune there radios to the clock frequency of the main data bus and feed data to it at frequency's that were modulated by the bus speed. It sounded like crap but it was far from a tuned system and that was back in the 70's. https://www.youtube.com/watch?... I might believe there is some type of breakthrough in this if they had actually put any real information about it in the article but all that's in there is fluff.

  32. Pi FM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do I own royalties for turning my PI into a radio?

    http://www.instructables.com/id/Raspberry-Pi-Radio-Transmitter/

  33. Not exactly the first. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://hackaday.com/2012/01/26/sprite_tms-three-component-fm-transmitter/