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In 10 Years, Every Human Connected To the Internet Will Have a Timeline

Presto Vivace writes: O'Reilly Radar has an article about how ubiquitous tracking and collection of data will fundamentally change how we live. Quoting: "This timeline — beginning for newborns at Year Zero — will be so intrinsic to life that it will quickly be taken for granted. Those without a timeline will be at a huge disadvantage. Those with a good one will have the tricks of a modern mentalist: perfect recall, suggestions for how to curry favor, ease maintaining friendships and influencing strangers, unthinkably higher Dunbar numbers — now, every interaction has a history. This isn’t just about lifelogging health data, like your Fitbit or Jawbone. It isn’t about financial data, like Mint. It isn’t just your social graph or photo feed. It isn’t about commuting data like Waze or Maps. It’s about all of these, together, along with the tools and user interfaces and agents to make sense of it."

209 comments

  1. What do you mean 'in 10 years'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is already the case - we don't have to wait ten years. Except to actually have access to our own timelines - right now they are under tight government/corporate security.

    1. Re:What do you mean 'in 10 years'? by ranton · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This story is about how this will fundamentally change the way we live (and government surveillance doesn't do that). The article mentions how a great deal of this data is already being collected and is somewhat accessible to the masses. But it contends that within 10 years a standard individual will have an instant connection to a very holistic view of this data.

      The social contract will fundamentally change when this information becomes so easily accessible. Knowing a slightly abridged version of the life story of everyone who walks past you in the supermarket instantaneously. Having the cliff notes of the past few conversations you had with every friend / coworker as soon as you are about to talk with them again. The benefits and of course the privacy concerns are staggering. But I am among those who believe the benefits will be so great that people will gladly give up their privacy for them. Mostly out of ignorance of what they are actually giving up, but they will lose it all the same.

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      -- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
    2. Re:What do you mean 'in 10 years'? by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I'm kinda glad I was born before the complete Timeline Age then.

      Sometimes people forget the importance of Not Being Seen .

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      Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
    3. Re:What do you mean 'in 10 years'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Obligatory viewing: Black Mirror's The Entire History of You .

    4. Re:What do you mean 'in 10 years'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good thoughts indeed, but I've been hearing for the last 15 years that 'within 10 years a standard individual will have an instant connection to a very holistic view of this data'. Back then we got called 'paranoid delusional' for acknowledging that the technological capability existed in the first place.

    5. Re:What do you mean 'in 10 years'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "social contract" refers to the relationship between an individual and government. Boiled down, it states that an individual "volunteers" to be subject to coercive authority. This has absolutely nothing to do with the latest rage in profiteering, which is to shit all over the basic human expectation of privacy.

    6. Re:What do you mean 'in 10 years'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A few years ago, I was asked to test some augmented reality facial recognition software that worked on smartphones. You used the camera, and it would grab faces nearby, match them, then allow you to click on said face and find out some interesting info tidbits including their FICO score and criminal record. You could pan through a crowd and each figure would score green/yellow/red depending on what their criminal record was.

      I wouldn't be surprised to see Facebook data added to this as well soon, so that app would be able to pull political leanings, religious views, and other stuff.

      Now, for the average hipster who doesn't care about this... just remember, this technology was used in Syria to find and kill political dissidents.

      What happens in the Middle East will eventually have echos at home, and it might get to a point in the US where just crossing a computer generated threshold meeting people and statements about privacy might get someone to disappear permanently.

    7. Re:What do you mean 'in 10 years'? by facetube · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Pervasive government surveillance doesn't fundamentally change the way we live? Tell that to the people who now self-censor to avoid ending up on a no-travel list, the journalists whose families are repeatedly detained at border crossings on manufactured "terrorism" suspicion, the technology companies and countries who are increasingly avoiding doing business with anyone in United States, the software developers who repeatedly get their laptops and phones confiscated at US ports of entry, the international tourists who now refuse to even fly through the US on their way to somewhere else, and the giant hole in basic infrastructure funding that's instead going toward a full-take federal wiretap facility in Utah.

      The social contract has already changed, and certainly not for the better.

    8. Re:What do you mean 'in 10 years'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting point of view. I think the idea is horrifying with the detriments to privacy far outweighing the benefits. Makes me want to pull the plug on my online life. Not that I will, but it certainly is tempting.

    9. Re:What do you mean 'in 10 years'? by ranton · · Score: 1

      Good thoughts indeed, but I've been hearing for the last 15 years that 'within 10 years a standard individual will have an instant connection to a very holistic view of this data'. Back then we got called 'paranoid delusional' for acknowledging that the technological capability existed in the first place.

      If you went back in time to show those prognosticators 15 year ago the technology we have today, they would probably just say "I told you so." Regardless of how much we advance in the next 15 years, there will still be people talking about how much more pervasive technology will be in 2040.

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      -- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
    10. Re:What do you mean 'in 10 years'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must have lived in a very secure isolated environment, a fantasy world, where losing privacy from criminals and corrupt organizations never ruined a life of a person around you. Others are not so fortunate. Governments and marketing companies are the least of my concern.

    11. Re:What do you mean 'in 10 years'? by ranton · · Score: 2

      Pervasive government surveillance doesn't fundamentally change the way we live? Tell that to the people who now self-censor to avoid ending up on a no-travel list, the journalists whose families are repeatedly detained at border crossings on manufactured "terrorism" suspicion, the technology companies and countries who are increasingly avoiding doing business with anyone in United States, the software developers who repeatedly get their laptops and phones confiscated at US ports of entry, the international tourists who now refuse to even fly through the US on their way to somewhere else, and the giant hole in basic infrastructure funding that's instead going toward a full-take federal wiretap facility in Utah.

      The social contract has already changed, and certainly not for the better.

      Everything you mention here probably only enters the mind of 1% of the population. Almost no US citizens self-censor to avoid a no-travel list, and almost no international tourists have a problem flying into a US airport. So like I said, it doesn't fundamentally change the way we live. Whether or not it should is another discussion.

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      -- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
    12. Re:What do you mean 'in 10 years'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is more worrisome is whose hands this data winds up in.

      Without going into a debate about the ACA, that law can be changed to be like auto insurance... with insurance companies having the whip hand in setting premiums with fines and ultimately jail time if they are not met. Now picture things... like going for a skydive... bam, rates get jacked up. Stepping into a humidor... bam, more rate hikes since they consider you a smoker. You go do stage combat... bam, they pull your policy, and now you have to find someone who will insure you for 10-100 times as much. Oh... post you got sick, another rate hike.

      Then there are foreign entities. The guy who got arrested in the UAE for a gripe made on US soil is one example. Now picture going to a foreign country and getting jacked for some snide comment made 30 years ago. KSA, UAE, and other nations don't have a statute of limitations.

      There are law changes. As a cypherpunk in the 1990s, it was taught on the cypherpunks list that the idea of a statute of limitations can easily be removed, so that stuff people did at 16 can result in prison terms at age 50 if one winds up in on that nation's soil. One can see laws made for terrorists used to go after some teens loitering around a local Quick Stop.

      Then there are companies who make money by suing. It wouldn't be hard for some copyright enforcement organization to dig through someone's profile, find what music they listen to, and challenge the person on every single song, if they had a valid license to listen to the music, if not they owed $250,000 per track that they couldn't -prove- was theirs.

      Finally there are unscrupulous LEOs who will do fishing expeditions... someone mentioned going to a park a year ago at night? Grounds for a criminal trespass arrest. A joke about a five finger discount? Shoplifting arrest.

    13. Re:What do you mean 'in 10 years'? by Shadow+IT+Ninja · · Score: 1

      The social contract will fundamentally change when this information becomes so easily accessible.

      And how is that going to happen? Currently, the information in the hands of data brokers is not just jelously guarded, information on the extent of the information they have is jelously guarded.

    14. Re:What do you mean 'in 10 years'? by facetube · · Score: 1

      Everything you mention here probably only enters the mind of 1% of the population ... All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing

      Couldn't have said it any better myself.

    15. Re:What do you mean 'in 10 years'? by kheldan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Never mind 'What do you mean 'in ten years'', how about 'not at all'? I am not a participant in ANY social media at this point, and even when I did I NEVER used my real name or even allowed people to post photographs of my face. When forced to use my real name, it's for things like purchases. There is no 'timeline' for me, nor would I allow such, and to sit there and say 'you can't avoid it' is extremely naive and defeatist. There still is such a thing as privacy -- you just have to fight for it.

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      Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
    16. Re:What do you mean 'in 10 years'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      LOL... except for the thousands upon thousands of hours of video surveillance that exists of you... and everyone else.

    17. Re:What do you mean 'in 10 years'? by spauldo · · Score: 1

      Same goes for me.

      Sure, there aren't a lot of "spauldos" out there, so people could find stuff from me by that name (hopefully they see that attribution in the iptools howto and think it was for something technical and important rather than correcting the author's use of "learn" and "teach"), but my social media presence is almost null. I probably reveal more of myself on slashdot than anywhere else, and I only post on here a few times a year.

      I never install apps on my phone that require access to extra stuff (why does this Stitcher update need to read my contacts? Play Store->remove), I don't have a facebook account, and all anyone can tell by my google+ account is that I like to rant about really geeky technical stuff (and occasionally about cooking). Good luck getting a picture of me from that - anyone who talks to me for more than ten minutes knows I'm an old geek.

      My girlfriend thinks I'm nuts, but my privacy is important to me. It's the next generation that doesn't care about it. Until us old farts are dead, I don't think there will be a problem.

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      Those who can't do, teach. Those who can't teach either, do tech support.
    18. Re:What do you mean 'in 10 years'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, what did 1% of the population ever matter?

    19. Re:What do you mean 'in 10 years'? by kheldan · · Score: 1
      LOL, except you can't do an image search of me on the internet and find my name, or search my name and find my face.

      ..but the governent has your face!

      So what? YOU try going through life with no photo ID card. Enjoy being deported as a non-citizen because you can't prove who you are!

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      Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
    20. Re:What do you mean 'in 10 years'? by ColaMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I am not a participant in ANY social media at this point

      You don't define slashdot as 'social media'?

      But I know you live in the US. You're somewhere in your late 40's. And like to ride bikes. And train on said bikes a lot because you're on a road race team. And that's just the first page of your slashdot comments that I idly flicked through.

      I suppose you could tell me that's all part of the plan and that you're actually a dog........

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      You are in a twisty maze of processor lines, all alike.
      There is a lot of hype here.
  2. The Elephant Internet by skgrey · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Great, so now the breakup of my ex-girlfriend from years is going to be used by others when judging my worth in relationships, or maybe health data. Or finance. Data is beautiful, but it can be really evil. Deeds will no longer be forgotten at some point; we'll be the sum of all of our decisions on the inside *and now* the outside for everyone to see.

    1. Re:The Elephant Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And because there will be so much information out there, the value placed on individual pieces of information will be that much lower. I mean, the bottom line is when you have access to all the information about everyone, no one really cares that much that you had a bad breakup in '09 or that your appendix burst back in '11. Because that kind of shit happens to everyone.

    2. Re:The Elephant Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Don't worry. As usual the article is written by a nitwit who doesn't know jack shit and just started to realize what Internet is.
      After a couple of years the person will have a more realistic outlook on the technology. Unfortunately the eternal September ensures that another nitwit will write the same scare story again.

    3. Re:The Elephant Internet by umghhh · · Score: 1

      I stand up for watching my pr0n and for my political views and although not quite comfy about it being known to everybody I do not care much. If they want to send me to quarry they will anyway. Fuck NSA and current incarnation of authoritarians. They shall rot in hell together with idiots that make it a business to sell my private data to everybody and any attempt of protection against it, socially conspicuous.

    4. Re:The Elephant Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah right. What's really going to happen is that one time you shit your pants in grade 5 will be one of the most memorable things you ever did in your life. Flooding people with data doesn't make people treat it all as noise, it makes them treat most of it as noise except a few notable cases (good or bad). It will distill everyone's life down to a set of easily digestible factoids, and /dev/null the rest.

      Fuck that.

      AC because I shit my pants in grade 5.

    5. Re:The Elephant Internet by turp182 · · Score: 0

      Your comment about dating got me thinking about the dating skit with Steve Guttenberg and Rosanna Arquette in the movie Amazon Women on the Moon.

      I really enjoy that movie...

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      BlameBillCosby.com
    6. Re: The Elephant Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup there it's no longer forgive and forget or live and learn.

    7. Re:The Elephant Internet by Beerdood · · Score: 1

      Everyone else will be in the same boat as you, because you'll get to see their previous breakups as well. Perhaps we'll all be better off when there's more transparency in the world, and others can see what you've done with your life, and you can see what they've done with theirs. As recording technology and data capturing improves, we're going to see an increase of information available on everyone - whether they want it or not. This is a really difficult concept to swallow because we value privacy so much, even though most of the things we want to keep private are shared by most of the population. You probably wouldn't want people to know about a dramatic high school breakup, or that you wet the bed as a kid, or what kind of porn you watch - because you'd feel embarrassed about that. But eventually, no one will care because everyone had a stupid high school relationship, or half the population wet the bed when they were younger, and everyone watches porn.

      What about the other side of the coin? If your potential partner has herpes, or that they were horribly abusive in their relationship, or they have a costly medical condition, or if they gambled away their trust fund - would you want to know that information? Would you be willing to give up your history to learn the history for other people? Maybe deeds shouldn't ever be forgotten, and the world will be a better place when there's no "right to be forgotten" and no one will care about the things you'd want to keep private now because they're only embarrassing because you don't realize how many other people have that (or don't have access to that information). And on the other hand, if you've done some truly appalling things in your lifetime, why should you able to keep that hidden from everyone?

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    8. Re:The Elephant Internet by William+Baric · · Score: 1

      If the worst thing you ever did in your life was to shit your pants in grade 5, then the vast majority of people will look worse than you.

    9. Re:The Elephant Internet by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Maybe people will actually keep private things private?...
      Naw...
      It is amazing the differences I see see between my friends in their 30s and up vs some of the young people I know.
      A friend of mine got divorced and I know she got divorced and I know she is sad. I do not know the exact details of why. She is someone I know but was not really close to. Her close friends have all the details but they are not posting them online.

      The 20 somethings that I know post everything public. I know that one broke up because of cheating and I know who they cheated with and when. I know when another one is super drunk and hates everyone... ... And they say young people "understand" social media and older people don't...

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    10. Re:The Elephant Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So...

      I need to write a program called St. Peter.

    11. Re:The Elephant Internet by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, it won't be the breakup with your ex-girlfriend from years ago that you will be judged on. You will be judged based on that STD that your timeline says you had ten years ago, as reported by a doctor you never saw (or even heard of). The problem isn't that deeds will never be forgotten (well, OK that will be a problem too). It is that deeds you never committed, but the database says you did, will never be forgotten.

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      The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
    12. Re:The Elephant Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet people will still bring it up and mock you for it. Seriously, the whole glass houses and throwing stones thing is way beyond most peoples grasp. And there's plenty of things I'd rather people not bring up, but I know they would. There's things friends were around to witness I did 10 years ago, they still give me hell about it, despite 10 years of other stuff.

    13. Re:The Elephant Internet by CozmicCharlie · · Score: 1

      And because there will be so much information out there, the value placed on individual pieces of information will be that much lower. I mean, the bottom line is when you have access to all the information about everyone, no one really cares that much that you had a bad breakup in '09 or that your appendix burst back in '11. Because that kind of shit happens to everyone.

      Why store and keep it if it's worthless? It must have value to someone inorder for it to be stored, there ain't no such thing as a free lunch. And why is it that every description of this future includes everyone having access to everything? What gives a total stranger any right to know anything about me? If I don't want to share it, then it's no one's business.

    14. Re:The Elephant Internet by nmr_andrew · · Score: 1

      When is /. going to finally add the "sad but true" mod? Certainly applies...

    15. Re:The Elephant Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone else will be in the same boat as you, because you'll get to see their previous breakups as well.

      That's a splendidly naive view of the situation. Do you really think that we will get to know everything about the rich and powerful? I'm pretty sure that they will have access to the means to remove particularly embarrassing bits about their lives from the record. If this ever truly becomes a reality--and that is a big if--this dystopian future will devolve into a situation where the powerful and mighty will have access to every bit of information about us proles while their history will be sealed off from public view. How anyone could think otherwise is beyond me.

    16. Re:The Elephant Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He is right you know, like factually. Zuckerberg *is* a Jew. And he should know better from family experience that you should absolutely not ever go down the path of databasing people, it only leads to abuse.

    17. Re:The Elephant Internet by vyvepe · · Score: 1

      That is it. The data in timelines will be manipulated.

    18. Re:The Elephant Internet by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      Even without manipulation the data will be corrupted with incorrect information. If people come to rely on these timelines there will be no way to correct such erroneous information. Or if it can be corrected it will only be after spending a lot of effort to do so (and probably money).

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      The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
    19. Re:The Elephant Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great, so now the breakup of my ex-girlfriend from years is going to be used by others when judging my worth in relationships, or maybe health data. Or finance. Data is beautiful, but it can be really evil. Deeds will no longer be forgotten at some point; we'll be the sum of all of our decisions on the inside *and now* the outside for everyone to see.

      US society, in its Puritan zeal, already seems to assume that people can never improve. Once the record is blotted, you are fucked forever. It perhaps derives from Calvinist predetermination - only the Elect can get into Harvard (a university founded by an ex-convict). This is why they make criminal histories easily publicly available (many other countries do not), why they hound and vilify released sex offenders or anyone else trying to rehabilitate, and why they are obsessed with what 'college' you went to. I used to want to live in the US. Now, I have my doubts because of the way you treat each other.

  3. My 60 Year Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This makes me very sad. Here's hoping that a nice fat CME takes down everyone's "timeline".

  4. Bullshit by tekrat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In 10 years, half of humanity will have had enough of this bullshit and will have hacked their way to privacy, or have decided that the internet just isn't worth it, or will have adapted multiple identities so as to confuse others.

    And I should know, as I am traditionally an early-adopter, and have taken all three paths myself. I am also currently at the point of thinking it's better to destroy the current internet and rebuild it -- but without all the bullshit.

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    If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
    1. Re:Bullshit by jeffmeden · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In 10 years, half of humanity will have had enough of this bullshit and will have hacked their way to privacy, or have decided that the internet just isn't worth it, or will have adapted multiple identities so as to confuse others.

      And I should know, as I am traditionally an early-adopter, and have taken all three paths myself. I am also currently at the point of thinking it's better to destroy the current internet and rebuild it -- but without all the bullshit.

      The internet is certainly better off without the 50% which is complete bullshit. The problem is, at this point we have no idea which 50% that is.

    2. Re:Bullshit by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      I agree, just look at teenagers and the services they choose - they use snapchat because they think the data is gone quickly, they only use Facebook minimally to keep contact with parents etc.

      I think it's a half and half thing, over half of the population are sheep and don't care enough about being tracked / are too lazy to try and do anything about it / or even think it's ok.

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    3. Re:Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube probably make up 48% of that 50%.

    4. Re:Bullshit by duck_rifted · · Score: 1

      You're right, but you're too optimistic. The Internet can not be built without the bullshit. It's impossible, and I can prove it.

      What do we get excited/happy about as people? Let's be very basic. Also, let's constrain this with the ways that we can generally come across as happy people while communicating in text online. By "excited," I mean that we're happy enough about something that we want to talk to others about it.

      We get excited about an optimistic future where things may happen that we want to happen, and it doesn't really matter if that future is likely. It need only be possible. We get excited about steps that take us closer to that future. We get excited about new toys and new solutions to problems. Everything else we get excited about is personal-level stuff that nobody cares about online.

      Hone in on that last category. That is the vast and overwhelming majority of everything we have to be happy about. A new job, a good relationship, seeing our children master a new skill, and all the other things both big and little that make life worth living are all things that no stranger will ever care about. So, here we are sharing thoughts and ideas in an environment where we form friendships and enmity without even including the core of the most fundamental positive things in human life. This goes for little things too. My day can be improved by something as simple as seeing my neighbor hug a puppy. Somebody standing next to me at that moment will at least smile when I do, but nobody online will care about it at all.

      Since we've eliminated most of the positive, what are we left with? We have those other sources of being excited. New toys get old eventually. New solutions only impact those affected by the problems they address. New research fosters optimism, but everything about the future is nothing more than a guess. We don't actually know if some super awesome thing we can talk about to bring each other's mood up is a thing that will ever happen.

      Mirror neurons are so essential to human interaction that when they or the neural circuitry that makes them work malfunctions, we get sociopaths, psychopaths, and people on the autism spectrum. Here online, NONE of us have functioning mirror neurons. We can empathize best with those we see in person, a little less with people we see in picture (such as a video), and even less through text. Where we empathize in text, we actually bond with an imaginary person going through whatever the text covers. Meanwhile we don't know the actual human being who typed that text.

      Any Internet is going to spawn enmity and grief because the most fundamental things that make humans bond are missing online. We don't have the full benefit of empathy and most of the things we can get excited about don't apply. So, we lose the vast and overwhelming majority of possible positive experiences that humans can share.

      In an environment where the probability of sociopathy, social dysfunction, and enmity are greatly increased (drumroll please... brrr brrr brrrbrrrbrrr) there's more sociopathy, social dysfunction, and enmity. And there upon a foundation that strips away all the best things about humanity, leaving only guesswork as our most redeeming trait, is built the technology that some people want to have shape our society.

      You are absolutely correct. Sooner or later, people are going to realize what bullshit this is and look for the first exit.

    5. Re:Bullshit by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

      This panopticon will happen.
      As the article says, it really has only just begun.

      However, in my view, by the end of this century a "timeline" will be viewed as an incredibly narcissistic way to "live" and the vast majority of humanity won't partake in it.

      There will come a time when people will want to live like human beings again, and not some kind of sad row in a table or formula in a spreadsheet.
      Human beings with the understanding that "No one here gets out alive". and that life is for living, not re-living.

      People will come to the realization that reality, experienced "in the moment" is incredibly richer and more fulfilling that being able to watch/listen/read a conversation you had with a friend twenty years earlier,

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    6. Re:Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In 20 years AI will control every human connected to the internet and will decide which 50% of humans are bullshit.

    7. Re:Bullshit by khallow · · Score: 1

      I am also currently at the point of thinking it's better to destroy the current internet and rebuild it

      What would be the point? You'd have the same people on the internet, you'd have the same people running it. And nothing keeping people from making their own internet right now.

    8. Re:Bullshit by ripvlan · · Score: 1

      Rebuild it without the bullshit? I can't see how rebuilding it would get us to a different location - we are here because this is what we wanted to build. Having a life full of regret where you wouldn't live it the same way again is looking back and wishing for a better existence.

      Will it morph to go somewhere else because that's what we want? The article argues that there are at least two forces: the walled gardens that offer us candy - and our desire to consume whatever looks new & hot.

      And big data will fill the gaps. Plus - we will want this data. It references a BBC claim that by 2019 a large % of us will WANT to use apps that record & archives our spoken conversations. It isn't that some secretive group will build these time lines - WE will do it. WE will want to do it.

      It sounds rather dystopian. I've read old (1970's) sci fi novels on similar subjects. Those who have managed to stay out of the system and those who are in it. Even The Matrix wants to extract people from the system - and there's a whole underground world living outside of it.

    9. Re:Bullshit by ryllharu · · Score: 1

      Vernor Vinge covered this possibility well in Rainbows End in a seemingly-casual mention. While it was true that you could look up anything about anyone at any time, there were vast part-time volunteer organizations that filled the internet with false information to drown out the truth. The information was all out there, you just couldn't believe any of it.

    10. Re:Bullshit by istartedi · · Score: 1

      The internet is certainly better off without the 50% which is complete bullshit.

      50%? You're way under-estimating, especially if you go on a straight SNR ratio. One stupid auto-playing video that should have been a brief essay (happens on Yahoo all the time) is enough to make a page almost 100% pure bullshit.

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  5. Those without a timeline will be at an advantage by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Those without a timeline will be at a huge advantage

    There, fixed that for you. If influencing strangers is named as an advantage, I strongly disagree. Strangers more likely influence anyone with a publicly available profile. Remaining anonymous gets more important every day.

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    Nae king! Nae laird! Nae yurrupiean pressedent! We willna be fooled again!
  6. Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's the guy from M*A*S*H got to do with this?

  7. The folly of youth becomes the folly of life? by dpilot · · Score: 3, Informative

    Does this mean that the follies of your youth become held against you for your entire life? Even if we were somehow shielded until we're 18, youthful mistakes don't stop then. There has been quite a bit of study now that important developments in the brain continue into the mid 20's. Heck, since we often accept anecdotal fiction as evidence around /., think of Scrooge. He had a life-changing event relatively late in life.

    At one extreme, we freeze everyone into the patterns of their youth. At the other, "I've changed, I've learned since then," becomes a mantra that absolves all responsibility. The difference here is that in the real world, people know you, your speech and actions, and how they all change with time, so they're at least equipped to make a decent judgement, even if that doesn't always happen. In non-meat-space those things aren't necessarily true, especially as so much incoming information is filtered to confirm one's current world-view.

    --
    The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
    1. Re:The folly of youth becomes the folly of life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does this mean that the follies of your youth become held against you for your entire life?/p>

      Yes. Welcome to You're Fucked Son.

  8. Privacy will mean by g0bshiTe · · Score: 1

    What then? As little as it seems now? Or by then will no one care a shred about privacy?

    --
    I am Bennett Haselton! I am Bennett Haselton!
  9. A rose by any other name ... by houghi · · Score: 2

    You might call it "Timeline" I call it "Big Brother". Same difference.

    Edit the time line and you have edited history.

    And the advantage is doubleplusgood.

    --
    Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
  10. er, okay. by nimbius · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The argument being asserted is predicated on the idea that in 10 years everyone will be a drooling simpleton incapable of action outside of consuming the product. you're always going to have hackers writing pedometers for android and scoffing at a pay for play system that puts them at a genuine disadvantage. Its why safety razors and thrift shop clothing are making a comeback despite a multibillion dollar shoe sales convention with a rubber ball.

    Those without a timeline will be at a huge disadvantage.

    you told me the same thing about google plus, facebook, myspace, twitter, instagram, youtube, vine, secondlife, and tumblr. I seem to have suffered no loss in "advantage" though. Let me put it in your terms, maybe that will help. #GETOFFMYLAWN.

    --
    Good people go to bed earlier.
    1. Re:er, okay. by KreAture · · Score: 1

      Amen!
      In fact, the timeline will be a huge disadvantage. You will be profiled and influenced much more than you can influence others.
      Do you think your "like" is really that important? It's no more important than a drop in the ocean, but together with billions of others it is worth money.
      You will be declined form job interviews due to your timeline. It may be a concert or a movie. Maybe it is the data on how many times you moved that gets you. Hiring someone who you find out could be likely to move within next 2 years is not a good move as you waste time and money training them and when they start to turn a profit they split.

      I for one, would like some privacy.

    2. Re:er, okay. by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

      Please don't see this as argumentative, it's meant just to be thought provoking. You say you are at no disadvantage, having avoided these things. Your life might be great now, but can you know for absolute certain that it couldn't have been any better had you adopted these thing?

      Without a ghost of christmas present, you really cannot imagine how different your life (positive or negative) would be with these things.

    3. Re:er, okay. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your life might be great now, but can you know for absolute certain that it couldn't have been any better had you adopted these thing?

      Verily; by not having Facebook, he's missing out on constant inane posts on whether a dress is blue and black or gold and white.

      Tragic. Mourn for him with me.

  11. What if forgetting is useful and valuable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    All of this assumes that forgetting things is bad. What if forgetting is useful and valuable?

    1. Re:What if forgetting is useful and valuable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad, society has just forgotten how to forget.

  12. Surrendering all info to the cloud? Bring it on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    If I can google for where I left my keys last night, they can have all my privacy and keep it. For fucks sake where are my keys!!?!?!

    1. Re:Surrendering all info to the cloud? Bring it on by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 2

      You are typing on them right now.

  13. nightmarish distopyan society by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Those with a good one will have the tricks of a modern mentalist: perfect recall". Oh dear. A society (and its member) which cannot forget, are society, due to our inherent nature and bias, which do not forgive. Frankly forgetting is as much a good aprt of life as remembering. I think on the contrary to the summary that those without timeline will have a better time : as they forget and so are not as much affected by the inherent negative bias of bad memory, they will be nicer and better to live with. the one eyed emotional man among the society of emotionally unable to forget blind.

    1. Re:nightmarish distopyan society by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My wife has a near-eidetic memory. A lot of the time it's a curse; remembering every exact detail of every terrible event (and there's been a lot of these) that's happened to her and reliving it. On balance, I'm glad I have a 'normal' memory.

  14. Where do I opt out? by duck_rifted · · Score: 2

    We have enough ways for small groups to try and keep a stranglehold on the lives of others already. The very last thing we need is some manipulable artificial construct to dehumanize us in our real world relationships like we already are online. Will we have to live under rocks to get some kind of peace of mind in the future?

    Screw it, let's go make a new Amish colony. We'll have conversations in person where we can actually see that we're not talking to robots, and mirror neurons will actually mean something. We'll be human again. Who's with me?

    1. Re:Where do I opt out? by jeffmeden · · Score: 1

      Screw it, let's go make a new Amish colony.

      So, you think you need to reinvent the Amish lifestyle for some reason, to do away with technology, when they already have a perfectly good lifestyle that has done away with technology. Good luck with that. A few years from now I bet you will think you need a "new" way of talking face to face, by some magic wires and magnetic coils. The reinvention shouldn't stop there, though! Transistorize it, and write a packet layer to make it easier for several users to share the channel. Are you writing this down (in pencil)? Good, you are going to have a lot of stuff to make if you want to live comfortably.

      Why would you ever think the word "new" is appropriate in this context?

    2. Re:Where do I opt out? by SternisheFan · · Score: 1, Funny

      Screw it, let's go make a new Amish colony. We'll have conversations in person where we can actually see that we're not talking to robots, and mirror neurons will actually mean something. We'll be human again. Who's with me?

      *crickets*

    3. Re:Where do I opt out? by duck_rifted · · Score: 1

      Calm down there, spunky. I'm not saying that technology is bad. I'm saying that we've already outpaced our capacity to bond with other humans via our most prevalent form of communication, and it might be a good idea to let that dust settle a bit before we start denying people jobs or friendships because they argued with a troll that one time.

      Were we discussing this in person, you'd be able to tell that the Amish thing is a joke. I shouldn't have to tell you that online either, but I do. Because to you, I'm only text on a screen; nothing human about me. You're the same to me. We don't have a choice. These pixels are the only part of ourselves that we share here. Get it?

    4. Re:Where do I opt out? by duck_rifted · · Score: 0

      lmao This one gets it.

    5. Re:Where do I opt out? by William+Baric · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In an Amish colony, everyone will know everything about you.

  15. And 10 years ago... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was all MySpace this, MySpace that. Everyone will have a space.

  16. I don't know by ugen · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For now the big 3 credit reporting agencies can't even make a decent snapshot of what I *am* now, never mind any past history.

    I am constantly surprised by incorrect addresses, wrong phones, misspelled names and other such junk (mostly because data entry clerks elsewhere can't be bothered to enter data right, or poorly designed "business systems" don't handle it properly).

    My driver license from one state was not properly canceled, when I moved and obtained license in another - so for a while, unknowingly, I had two parallel driver licenses and separate records (even though presumably states share that information).

    The only place where information about me seems to resemble anything like reality is my own linkedin profile, and that's because I care to keep it correct.

    That's not to say there isn't a ton of information on each and every one of us, and the amount keeps growing. However, most of that information is of poor quality, and not organized - something I wouldn't expect to change anytime soon. The only danger I see is that new generation is conditioned to maintain their own timeline and do the information-cleaning job for the big corporations and government for free. So, let's wait and see, shall we.

    1. Re:I don't know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My driver license from one state was not properly canceled, when I moved and obtained license in another - so for a while, unknowingly, I had two parallel driver licenses and separate records (even though presumably states share that information).

      Ugh, I had that happen. Worse, my EZ-Pass transponder apparently died but I didn't know that (there's no indicator lights in the express lane to tell you if it registered) and they were sending the toll violation notices to the old address. Finally all of the unpaid tolls, late fees, fines, and whatever added up to around $2000 and got sent to a collection agency. They figured out what happened, and I get a huge bill in the mail! Settled for half that amount, but that sure was an unexpected bill. I hate keeping all this stuff up to date, and even when I do some company gets it wrong anyway.

    2. Re:I don't know by rock_climbing_guy · · Score: 1

      Up until recently, I used to get junk mail addressed to me now deceased, then ailing in a nursing home grandmother at my home. She's never even lived in the same state that I'm in now. It's creepy.

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      Wh47 d1d j00 541, 31337 15n't t3h r0xor5 ne m0r3???
  17. This is contradicting idea by Trachman · · Score: 1

    This is a contradicting concept. Few weeks ago on Craigslist there was an article stating that Privacy will be a luxury. Today's article states that those who will be private will be somewhat disadvantaged.

    To the best of my knowledge, many of the people that I know have multiple internet identities and email accounts.

    Even if cash is banned and internet access is only provided with valid government issued biometric ID, marketers can continue dreaming into their fantasies about unlimited marketing potential and 100% view of people's life.

    Many people, especially successful ones, have the right instinct on how to balance privacy and publicity. Just to come and state that future generations of people will be all dumb and clueless is not wise.

  18. real world? by djr_robot · · Score: 1

    This will occur just after we all have flying cars and robot buttlers.

  19. tried to make my timeline _stop_ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    My "timeline" on the internet started in 1982 on the departmental PDP11. I tried to make it stop in around 1990, and started trying a lot harder to make it stop after the Eternal September made it clear what was going to happen to the original internet culture after inundation by the endless ranks of the clueless.

    The internet held endless promise. Promise of connecting people all across the world even if their government didn't want them socializing with people from other societies. Promise of equal access to information. Promises we carelessly discarded as we gleefully abandoned open protocols and standards in favor of Facebook and other proprietary, closed, and censored technologies. As we let major corporations monetize it and "region-lock" it. As we allowed it to become an Orwellian nightmare.

    It's now the product of thousands of bad decisions by billions of people. At this point, there's no fixing it, and those of us with any sense are trying NOT to have a fucking "timeline" with every tracking company on the planet.

    Capcha: contempt.

    1. Re:tried to make my timeline _stop_ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At this point, there's no fixing it, and those of us with any sense are trying NOT to have a fucking "timeline" with every tracking company on the planet.

      Capcha: contempt.

      You can move to an internet within the internet: i2p, other darknets. In those the culture is like it was when the internet first started up. Though *They* want to backdoor those or shut them down, and certainly will if these ever get popular enough to threaten commercial data mining and profiling. That's why they keep whining about illegal content and making up ridiculous numbers about that traffic.

  20. Pay me for it. Highest bidder, rebid at my whim. by leftover · · Score: 1

    So, in our post-manufacturing, robot-serviced future economy based on selling ad views, I want to be paid for access to my timeline. Why should the data warehouse get all the revenue? They are just another IT shop, no value added there, their costs should be ruthlessly minimized. (Same goes for other utility services: ISPs, cell phone operators. They never took any financial risks, the users guaranteed the entire investment.)

    If the only recognized way to "create value" is to display possible interest in buying something, that value needs to be owned by the person who created it.

    --
    Bent, folded, spindled, and mutilated.
  21. Small Town, Small World by tomhath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A couple of generations ago this was also true for most people. In a small town everyone knew you, your family, and everything about you. It some places that's still true. You did (and do) have the option of moving away; but that meant you were starting out in a new place with no timeline.

    1. Re:Small Town, Small World by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, and we of one generation ago had a saying to diffuse that: "It's none of your fucking business." This new concept will not be diffused so easily.

    2. Re:Small Town, Small World by tomhath · · Score: 1

      You've obviously never lived in a small town. Everything is everyone's business, like it or not.

      There's also an interesting social impact of this. I was talking about arranged marriages with a co-worker from India. In every village there was someone who knew everyone's background. There is a strong incentive to maintain your family's honor, otherwise your children will be rejected by the family of a potential spouse. She felt that it promoted a more orderly society.

    3. Re:Small Town, Small World by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in a small town right now. Keeping close relations that don't gossip is more important and keeping those gossips out of the loop is the only thing socially different here. Comparing the west to India where there is still a caste system, young women from undesirable families are not even seen as a form of life and honor killings happen is a bad joke. Sure it may lead to a more orderly society, but I think Himmler wrote the best work on that.

  22. In 10 years, thought crimes will be eradicated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4rBDUJTnNU

  23. That would be a nightmare. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Knowing a slightly abridged version of the life story of everyone who walks past you in the supermarket instantaneously.

    I have spent the last 20 years growing. I am not the very hostile and shy person I was years ago.

    To have people bring up things from 20 years ago and use it to judge me now would be a nightmare. At least with people who have known me all these years, they have seen the changes and have mostly forgotten or let go my past behavior. But to have people who see my past without context and the long and hard work I have put into being a better person would ruin me.

    Technology is increasingly removing our ability to make mistakes and move on with our lives. That is a hellish future.

    1. Re:That would be a nightmare. by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Funny

      Maybe technology will encourage people to learn forgiveness, and to filter out the superfluous.

      --
      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    2. Re:That would be a nightmare. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Thanks for that. I needed a good laugh.

    3. Re:That would be a nightmare. by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      Ah, but doesn't everyone go through at least a mildly awkward adolescence? You'd see all their "crappy poetry written in blood' moments, too.

    4. Re:That would be a nightmare. by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      I can see it now, Bob plays Halo 15 hours a day, every day except Sundays, when he takes a shower because his mom enters the basement.... Joe, his friend, pretends to play because he's really doing benders because Bob still has issues beating him.... Laura, walking with Bob, is Joe's girlfriend when she's not with Bob (she's free 15 hours a day)....

      It would read like a good Jersey Shore episode. I guess that means there's a troupe of folks that would follow it.

      --
      The cesspool just got a check and balance.
    5. Re:That would be a nightmare. by mbone · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ah, but doesn't everyone go through at least a mildly awkward adolescence? You'd see all their "crappy poetry written in blood' moments, too.

      Yes, and what that means is that, while the youthful indiscretions of those favored by the system will be ignored, those of anyone who stands in the way of powerful interests will be used to persecute them.

    6. Re:That would be a nightmare. by William+Baric · · Score: 1

      Everyone grows and everyone knows people grow. Everyone also make mistakes. Stop thinking you're a special snowflake. You're not.

      Think of it this way : if a photo of you taking a dump was made public, you'll be the laughing stock of everyone. But if everyone had photos of themselves taking a dump, no one would care.

      A future where there is no privacy is a future where everyone will be judge according to the truth, not judge according to how good they are at pretending to be someone else. You call that a "hellish future"? I call that a utopia.

    7. Re:That would be a nightmare. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This is not a technology problem. It is a human nature problems. A vast majority of people right now are more then willing to look the other way and understand that you do different things when you were younger. I see the problem is once the media gets involved or there is a ground swell publishing the incident or you are in a "group", people as individuals are afraid to admit they willing to look the other way because they themselves do not want to become the subject of the scrutiny. People are afraid to look the other way publicly because another group with an agenda might make a big deal about it. This happens now with teenagers in real life. Ask any girl what she thinks about some boy or another girl or some topic. As a group of girls what they think about the same and you will probably get a totally different response.

      When I was in junior high, a friend of mine got caught pleasing himself by some other friends peeking in his window. Word of that got out. Being his friend, I got to see both sides of what happened after. Close friends never said anything mean to him directly and really nothing changed, they all joked about it and it was forgotten and never mentioned again. Those same friends though when he was not around would laugh and tell stories, the subject came up all the time, "Hey, there's spanky". Statistically, most of those boys also pleasured themselves but they did not get caught doing it.

      Opinions of individuals in crowds are not true opinions. Good and bad.

      I have strong opinions about homosexuality, race, color, creed, bullying, and many others but I would NEVER tell them exactly as they are to a large crowd for general public consumption. Society changes and although many of my feelings probably follow mainstream, they may not later and my true opinions on those things are also subject to and often change over time as well as I see and experience more things. I don't want my current views on things to be cemented to a post I made in December 14th, 2003 in a forum post.

    8. Re:That would be a nightmare. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " everyone will be judge according to the truth" - truth is whatever 'popular' or consensus wants it to be !

      Cardinal Richelieu ... If one would give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest man, I would find something in them to have him hanged.

    9. Re:That would be a nightmare. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Technology is increasingly removing our ability to make mistakes and move on with our lives. That is a hellish future."

      indeed. the only people who should have their entire past remembered forever are those who are immortal. you know, corporations.

    10. Re:That would be a nightmare. by rock_climbing_guy · · Score: 2

      Everyone except those who hold positions of power will be under the panopticon. You don't actually think that you'll be able to know as much about Mark Zuckerburg or Eric Schmidt as they know about you, do you, you silly man?

      --
      Wh47 d1d j00 541, 31337 15n't t3h r0xor5 ne m0r3???
    11. Re:That would be a nightmare. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Torture and indefinite imprisonment for any cause or reason including political... sanctioned at the highest levels of government.
      Massive imbalance of injustice.
      Complete surveillance.
      Total disregard for 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th amendments and more. Unless of course it religion, because Christian fucks in Gov't.
      Massive nazi databases of all your papers, fingerprints, palmprints, retina scans, blood, photos, DNA... all being mined and used against you NOT for you.
      Police abusing and shooting people at will and NEVER SO MUCH AS BEING CHARGED.
      Simple fucking whistleblowers being sentenced for 30 years.
      Massive income disparity and conversion of assets from proud ownership to rent slavery.
      Effective one party government with rigged elections and independant candidates disbarred.
      Add more if you want, but the US has passed the turning point and is no officially falling down the same dark slide every country and government in history has fallen.
      REVOLUTION, or external WAR. Take your pick, either way the US is done for.
      40 years left, maximum.

    12. Re:That would be a nightmare. by William+Baric · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I already know more about the life of Mark Zuckerburg than Mark Zuckerburg knows about my life, you silly man.

    13. Re:That would be a nightmare. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Craigslist... did you know that Craigslist has a policy of keeping EVERY single post, picture, email, email address, phone number and IP address that has ever touched or gone through their system forever.
      I found out about this at a database conference straight from Craigslist staff.
      NOWHERE on its site does it say this is policy.
      Fuck Craigslist.

    14. Re:That would be a nightmare. by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Technology is increasingly removing our ability to make mistakes and move on with our lives. That is a hellish future.

      This.

      And it's actually occurring today because the internet doesn't forget. This has never happened before in human history - sure people can write stuff down to preserve it, but they retain the ability to self-edit, hence why history belongs to the victors.

      But now, all your online activities are recorded pretty much permanently for everyone to see (sorry, privacy policies or settings just encourage people to spill the beans). People have lost jobs over stuff they posted on Facebook, by trolling others, and other stuff.

      Forget government surveillance making everyone "do good". Simply having the inability to edit your history (because doing so can cause it to go viral) means everyone is forced to "do good" all the time. One fuckup and quite possibly you've screwed yourself.

      Even worse, while we hope people would discount transgressions made decades ago, dates are often missing or hard to find. That one time you made a bad decision will haunt you down the road because even though it happened 20 years ago, no one put a date on it so it appears just as recent as it did 20 years ago. No one can tell without the hidden or missing timestamp.

      Hell, kids are getting caught up in it too - where once we let kids be kids, they can't be kids if what they did when they're 5 will be recorded and exposed when they're 18.

    15. Re:That would be a nightmare. by Shadow+IT+Ninja · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately, so far, society here in the US has become even more unforgiving of a person's past. How often have you heard a statement along the lines that an employer should have known that a given employee was a risk? We've decided we can't have gun control so we will have to track any suggestion of mental illness in people to see if they could be a threat...

    16. Re:That would be a nightmare. by suutar · · Score: 1

      maybe that'll eventually lead to some understanding and treatment of mental illness, instead of shunning.

    17. Re:That would be a nightmare. by suutar · · Score: 1

      oh, they can't be kids anyway. That'd be neglect and abuse on the part of their parents.

    18. Re:That would be a nightmare. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's easier to just have a cop shoot them. This isn't Star Trek, you know.

    19. Re:That would be a nightmare. by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      This isn't Star Trek, you know.

      More like The Good, the Bad and the Ugly

      --
      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    20. Re:That would be a nightmare. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe technology will encourage people to learn forgiveness, and to filter out the superfluous.

      You mean "superfluous stuff" like this timeline nonsense?

      This article said another way suggests we will never again have anything that is anywhere remotely like "complete privacy". We don't have much privacy left, but giving up the last shards of it for this crap, nope.

      You youngins can call me anti-social if you like, but that's your choice, not mine.

    21. Re:That would be a nightmare. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Starts off with...

      Mark Zuckerberg is a JEW....

      ...then goes rapidly downhill from there.

      How the hell you could spew this crap and NOT be instantly downmodded into the bowels of hell is beyond me. I am tempted to ask what your secret is. But then I don't ever want to become as crude and uncouth as you.

    22. Re:That would be a nightmare. by evilRhino · · Score: 1

      But now, all your online activities are recorded pretty much permanently for everyone to see (sorry, privacy policies or settings just encourage people to spill the beans).

      Or they could re-release their history as a special edition with revisions, and wait for the original copies to go obsolete.

    23. Re:That would be a nightmare. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And it's actually occurring today because the internet doesn't forget. This has never happened before in human history - sure people can write stuff down to preserve it, but they retain the ability to self-edit, hence why history belongs to the victors.

      But now, all your online activities are recorded pretty much permanently for everyone to see (sorry, privacy policies or settings just encourage people to spill the beans). People have lost jobs over stuff they posted on Facebook, by trolling others, and other stuff.

      Perhaps I am one of those few strange persons that do not seek publicity. Better, I am paid to protect secrets of others. In 20 years I did not created personal web page/social network account or web photo album. And yes, I am developing my own photos, not in the lab. Where is my timeline? Am I non-entity?

      Hell, kids are getting caught up in it too - where once we let kids be kids, they can't be kids if what they did when they're 5 will be recorded and exposed when they're 18.

      Watch out , that may be child porn ;-)
      People do not change much. School bullies are a*holes 20 years later. Usually. And school "publicity stars" usually cannot cope with middle age syndrome and fact that attention moves to next generation ... (yeah 16yo will be 36yo but 36yo will not be16yo again).
      If you find in the timeline perfect victim you might be surprised. Some of them change. :) ".. no more Mr Nice guy .."

    24. Re:That would be a nightmare. by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      It's easier to just have a cop shoot them. This isn't Star Trek, you know.

      Hooker's a good cop!

    25. Re:That would be a nightmare. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately, so far, society here in the US has become even more unforgiving of a person's past.

      In 16 years we went from a POTUS saying "I did not inhale" to "Of course I inhaled. That was the whole point"

    26. Re:That would be a nightmare. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      REVOLUTION, or external WAR. Take your pick, either way the US is done for.
      40 years left, maximum.

      Retards like you were saying that forty years ago. And fifty. And sixty. And so on.

      Eventually, one crop of you losers will end up being right by virtue of sheer blind luck. But it won't be yours.

    27. Re:That would be a nightmare. by rock_climbing_guy · · Score: 1
      Point taken ;-)

      I have reluctantly become a regular Facebook user because it is my only interface to certain "groups" that I participate in. Having it available as such has been very important to me.

      I am greatly concerned that Facebook knows so much about me, but I don't know of any alternative that isn't similarly a panopticon.

      But if you've kept your life off of Facebook, et al, my hat's off to you, sir.

      --
      Wh47 d1d j00 541, 31337 15n't t3h r0xor5 ne m0r3???
    28. Re:That would be a nightmare. by vyvepe · · Score: 1
      You probably do not know the really important stuff about him, just what his PR team wants you to know.

      Timeline may not be a bad thing if it can be assured the same level of access for everybody and the same level of detail and reliability. And no way to opt out especially for those with power.

    29. Re:That would be a nightmare. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep in mind though that if there were no privacy then your past would not easily be made to look unusual compared to others so it wouldn't matter. You would not have to feel shame or regret about being a person who changes over time and has different tastes and interests than others because it would be patently obvious to everyone that that is completely normal. There would necessarily be much more awareness and acceptance of the differences that people inherently have because societal "norms" would be shown to be as untrue as they actually are.

    30. Re:That would be a nightmare. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe that can only be true in a situation where the person is exposed in a society that generally isn't. If everyone is equally exposed, it would be much less likely to be an issue as societal "norms" against which you would presently be judged would be necessarily discarded in the face of evidence that there is a much wider spectrum of human interest and behavior than we presently pretend.

    31. Re:That would be a nightmare. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      In Star Trek, the cops would shoot you, too. (Now where's the "stun" setting on a Beretta again?)

      --
      Ezekiel 23:20
    32. Re:That would be a nightmare. by William+Baric · · Score: 1

      I don't use Facebook, so that company knows very little about me. However, since I use Gmail, Google search and I have an Android Phone (which tracks me all day long), Google does know a lot about me. But why should I be concerned? What could Google do?

      Beyond Google, you already know my name and since it's a quite a unique name, a simple search on the Internet will allow you to know my address and my phone number (yep, it's there). In fact, if you take a bit of time, you'll be able to learn a lot about me, but I don't care. In fact, I think you have the right to know who I am even though I'm certainly not someone who is politically correct. Maybe you'll hate me, but that's your right! I'm sure some other people will love me. So why should I be concerned about it?

    33. Re:That would be a nightmare. by rock_climbing_guy · · Score: 1
      Why should you be concerned? Simple! There are things you want the world to know about you and things you would rather be kept private. I may as well tell you that I use Facebook to interface with support groups for people who have trouble sleeping. (I know it doesn't sound like a serious health issue, but for some people, severe insomnia, narcolepsy, etc cap be absolutely debilitating.) We share our intimate thoughts and emotions with one another so that we don't feel isolated and alone with our struggles. I would rather not have Facebook and the US government (don't kid yourself; Facebook may as well be growing on the NSA's ass) know these things about me.

      But I do have things I share. Here's my personal web page: http://danielsadventure.info/

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      Wh47 d1d j00 541, 31337 15n't t3h r0xor5 ne m0r3???
  24. Year zero? Epic fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    There is no year zero. Zero is the transition point from -1 to +1. Zero is by definition something without quantity.

    Did your first birthday cake have a zero on it? If it did maybe your parents were trying to tell you what they thought of you.

    1. Re:Year zero? Epic fail by Holi · · Score: 1

      >Did your first birthday cake have a zero on it?
      No I think my parents were a bit busy, at least my mom was, you know giving birth to me.

      --
      Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
  25. How stupid can people get? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Anyone who believes this garbage deserves what they get. Time to go outside for a bit, people. Your virtual existence is not real, and if you think it defines who you are, you're as sick as the junkie who thinks the most important thing in their life is their next fix.

    --
    "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    1. Re:How stupid can people get? by grep+-v+'.*'+* · · Score: 1

      the junkie who thinks the most important thing in their life is their next fix.

      I'd reply to this, but I have to check Facebook now. And refresh. Refresh. Duh, I forgot about twitter!

      --
      If the universe is someone's simulation -- does that mean the stars are just stuck pixels?
    2. Re:How stupid can people get? by radl33t · · Score: 1

      Good unintended analogy. As with the vast majority of recreational drug users, most people will live in both worlds without having an issue. I don't know why my virtual existence wouldn't define who I am since it is effectively just a database of data about me.

    3. Re:How stupid can people get? by William+Baric · · Score: 1

      It's still you who create your "virtual existence" (whatever that means), so it does define (part of) who you are.

    4. Re:How stupid can people get? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      I think most people will agree that there's a difference between a "recreational user" and a "junkie". (Of course, most junkies will also claim that they're "just recreational users" and can "quit any time", same as smokers, gamblers, and alkies).

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    5. Re:How stupid can people get? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      But it's also me who gets to define how important that is, not someone else - contrary to the implications of the article, which is crap.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    6. Re:How stupid can people get? by William+Baric · · Score: 1

      It's me who gets to define what I think is important about you, not you, so you should not have any control on the information I get about you. Controlling what I information I get about you is a form of manipulation. And I don't like to be manipulated.

    7. Re:How stupid can people get? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      It's me who gets to define what I think is important about you, not you, so you should not have any control on the information I get about you. Controlling what I information I get about you is a form of manipulation. And I don't like to be manipulated.

      What you think is important about me does not in any way confer upon you under any reality that you have any "control" over what information you can get about me. Don't like it - bite me.

      Not that I have any big secrets ... but if I did, it would be none of your business, and keeping them from you would not be manipulating you. If you think it is, you need to step into the real world for a bit.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    8. Re:How stupid can people get? by William+Baric · · Score: 1

      If you want to hide some truth about yourself, it's because you indirectly try to control how I act with you. Limiting knowledge is like putting blinders. You do that because you're trying to make me go where you want. You are afraid I will act in a certain way if I know some particular facts about you, so in order to make sure I don't act that way you put those blinders on me. I call that a form of manipulation. You may use another word, but it won't change what it is.

      Are you justified to use this form of manipulation? Considering everyone does it, I'm tempted to say yes. In a world where everyone cheats, not cheating would be foolish. But it doesn't change it's a form of manipulation.

      As for what information I can get about you, I'm certainly entitled to do whatever I can to get any information, provided whatever I do is legal. I have control over what I do and you have nothing to say about it. Can I force you to disclose information about yourself? Of course not. Can I search your past and talk to people who know you in order to learn whatever I can? Of course I can. Don't like it - bite me.

      That's the world I live in. Is it the real world? I believe so.

      Now my point for all this is I dream of a world where no one could lie and pretend to be better than they really are. I dream of a world where people would be judged for who they are instead of being judge by how well then can lie and manipulate. Do you think that world would be bad?

    9. Re:How stupid can people get? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1
      If I didn't even know that you existed (and I still don't because I don't know who you are) how am I "controlling you?" Oh, wait, I'm not.

      However, you fail to miss one point - I am a very transparent person. I like it that way. However, I also recognize that people who have nothing to do but pry into other people's lives are more of a nuisance than they're worth, and need to get a life of their own.

      However, you cannot talk to people who know me in order to learn whatever you can. Since I don't live in the US, we actually have laws that don't even allow private investigators to do that.

      My neighbors would say the same to you if you asked them questions about me that I would say to you if you asked me questions about them - "Who are you, why are you asking me and not them, and no, it's none of your business."

      Reality bites - so bite me.Must suck to live in a place without criminal privacy laws.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    10. Re:How stupid can people get? by William+Baric · · Score: 1

      I think you didn't understand at all what I wrote. I'll do the short, short version : privacy laws are why our society is the realm of liars and dishonest people.

      BTW, I don't live in the US either. As for who I am, you already know my name and, since I have a unique name, a search on the Internet will give you my address, my phone number and a lot of other information (just so you're sure, I live in Montreal). And that's perfectly fine with me.

    11. Re:How stupid can people get? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      I'm in DDO (I've posted my address in discussion threads about people obsessing over their privacy and fear of doxxing to show that it's just stupid). However, your name is far from unique, so if you hadn't said "Montreal", I wouldn't know we are neighbors.

      Doesn't change what I said, though - you don't have a right to ask third parties for information about me without my consent. I took the feds to task on this with both the 2001 and 2006 long form census, both of which demanded information that is none of their business. In the first case, they wanted my "ethnic" information. I don't think we should be classifying people that way, and refused. Lots of threats, I wrote them back and told them to take me to court. They didn't.

      In 2006, they changed the question to my parents' "ethnic background". I told them to ask my parents - but be prepared for a loooong wait - the dead tend to be slow replying to mail, even when it's delivered to the dead letter office. More threats frem them, then "just don't fill that part in" - again, refused to complete and submit the form, again invited them to take me to court, nothing happened.

      I've always maintained that the best way to end stupidity on the internet is to abandon anonymity, but people want to maintain the illusion that they're truly anonymous. Nobody is. However, whenever I put that out there, so many people go on about "their rights", as if privacy has ever existed in human society. So, I practice being as open about myself as possible (my sig and my journal are examples), and maybe eventually people will get a clue (doubtful, since there are too many entities profiting from pushing the "yes you can be anonymous, just not with us" agenda).

      Still, there's a difference between absolute privacy and not sticking a web cam in the bathroom/bedroom/tv (oops - that last one is a b*tch).

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  26. Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    When you say agents...

  27. Re:Those without a timeline will be at an advantag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I agree. About half of my /. posts these days are anonymous for various reasons. (Yes, I know there's probably stuff kept in the database that could potentially identify me but regular people and web spiders can't see it, which is enough.)

    I just don't feel the need to have my identity associated with the post, accepting the cost of not being able to check replies later via my profile (a "timeline" we already have!), etc. I have to credit 4chan with learning how to put aside my ego (aka "namefag"-ness) and just release my words into the ether.

  28. Amazing how people think things are 'good' by gurps_npc · · Score: 2
    Basically, what this guy did was say "Hey, Privacy is EVIL"

    His concept of a timeline is simply the opposite of privacy.

    All the gains he thinks are present are gains for other people.

    He refuses to realize that those gains for other people come at a cost - and the cost is paid for by you.

    Timelines are great - for advertisers.

    They are not great fore you. They do nothing good for you, except make it easier for other people to judge you.

    Guess what, we already have something like that - it's called a credit history.

    Yeah, a few - less than 10% - people benefit from having a credit history. But far more people suffer from having it. There are identity thieves, there are bad (and damaging) decisions made based on false ideas about credit history every single day - like hiring/promoting people based on it.

    This guy is wrong about everything he believes in.

    --
    excitingthingstodo.blogspot.com
    1. Re:Amazing how people think things are 'good' by radl33t · · Score: 1

      Interesting analogy. I checked my credit score recently to see the effect of playing CC games. I took a huge hit, but I still have excellent credit. Credit Karma had a neat feature where I could compare myself based on age, income, sex to others. I was surprised to see that I am only in the 55-60% percentile. Since I'm still offered the cheapest rates of capital, it seems to me that about 40% of similar people are offered cheap capital, thus benefiting from credit history.

      I was weary about facebook and google in 2005. I don't really use facebook and google's 10 years of my data hasn't noticeably impacted me in anway (neglecting insignificant enhancements). I don't care much for my privacy these days, advertisers haven't been't been successful in harnessing data to sell me stuff (despite vastly increasing income, my expenses remain constant), the government nor my employer haven't persecuted me based on public knowledge, and I sort of enjoy seeing my timeline evolve on facebook exclusively via others' input.

      That said, it still seems rather trivial to maintain personal privacy, mostly at personal expense. So what gives? Why is it so important I share your values? Can't you just go off and do your anonymous things in some quiet place? What is the point of this advocacy?

  29. Already discussed via sci-fi by smooth+wombat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The movie, In Time, touches on the subject of a timeline for a person. As Wikipedia relates, Harlan Ellison had already written a similar story as well as a few others.

    Despite this, I can see people not appreciating or caring about a timeline. I know it's hard to believe but there are millions (billions?) of people who use the Net strictly for general communication and research rather than the be all and end all to life.

    As we've seen with smart phones, more technology does not necessarily make our lives easier. People are becoming so addictive to being connected, of needing to see if their lives are validated through tweets and pictures, that this timeline may send some over the edge as they desperately search for something to make themselves seem like someone.

    --
    We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
    1. Re:Already discussed via sci-fi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps a closer match in fiction is Black Mirror 1x03 "The Entire History of You" where it's normal (although not universal) to have a life-logging implant that records audio/video of everything you hear/see with easy playback on a TV.

  30. And at the core, will still be FACEBOOK! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And you WILL bow as kiss the ass of the Zuck! just like you are doing, believe it or not, now!

  31. Shadow Internets.... by David_Hart · · Score: 2

    Private social media sites exists for the rich and famous. How long before we have two social media sites. One that is public and one just for our close friends and family?

    In a way, we are already doing this through the privacy settings (public, vs friends, etc.). It's just not as finely tuned or as effective as it should be.

    My point is that even though people will have full timelines on the Internet, people will be taught from an early age what should be public and what should be kept private. The biggest problem today is that we are still figuring this out and people aren't trained to think this way, so almost everything is public

    1. Re:Shadow Internets.... by Shadow+IT+Ninja · · Score: 1

      I would even go further and have separate accounts for people who I know from different activities/organizations. The main thing is that it shouldn't be a social media site. It should be a social media P2P network. Having a commercial site involved really adds very little value, in my opinion, while it creates most of the privacy problems and causes other limitations, for example, limits in the size of files you can share.

  32. Re:Those without a timeline will be at an advantag by meta-monkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I considered that, and have cut/am cutting off other forms of voluntarily information/thought exposure. But with /. there's no point. This has been my homepage for 15 years. I can't imagine how many reams of e-paper I've written on here in that time. I am absolutely easily doxxable, and anybody who's mining this site already knows everything I think. And you can't delete your accounts and posts. I'm already naked here, so there's no point being modest now.

    --
    We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
  33. Seriously? by Alrescha · · Score: 1

    If you have been paying attention over the past five years, you know that anyone writing about what technology will be like in ten years is an idiot.

    A.

    --
    ...bringing you cynical quips since 1998
  34. Haha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nope. I'll still be alive in 10 years, and I won't have a timeline. Well, other than the ones that were made for me by people who don't necessarily have my best interests in mind or are willing to let me have access to my own information.

    Every human connected to the Internet? No. Maybe every human connected to Facebook/Google+ and similar services, but there is an anonymous side to the Internet filled with plenty of people like me who don't subscribe to the marketing/amateur spying (because that's all that these people ever see when they talk about social networking) fever dream. Try again after a few more generations.

  35. "ease maintaining friendships" by SchroedingersCat · · Score: 1

    ... all 754 of them.

  36. Who the fuck cares ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Articles like this are click bait.

    Today is the day Slashdot leaves my RSS feed.

  37. Re:Those without a timeline will be at an advantag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure, it always starts out innocent enough, but soon enough...

    "I'm sorry, sir. We can't offer you a mortgage, your TimeLine(R) score is far too low to qualify."

    "We only hire people with a TimeLine(R) score of 1500 or higher on the socio-econometric section."

    "Citizens with a TimeLine(R) score of 1200 or less must report to the re-education coordinator of their region. Noncompliance is antisocial behaviour and will be dealt with severely."

    "Mommy, what happens to people that get put on the trains for re-education?" "Shhh! Don't ask those questions!"

  38. Re:Those without a timeline will be at an advantag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wishful thinking.

    When enough people will have a timeline, not having one will become suspicious.

  39. so who uses all these service? by alen · · Score: 1

    i use google and facebook, but sparingly

    i don't have a fitbit and don't keep track of my biometrics because it's fucking stupid to count the number of steps i take daily or record my pulse all day long

    i don't use waze or Maps that often because i have a brain and can figure things out on my own if there is traffic or some train is running slow. or it's fucking useless to use Maps if you have one route to work and taking shortcuts takes just as long. i only use it as a quick traffic check or if i'm driving somewhere i have never been to before. NYC is fairly easy to figure out to navigate without staring into your phone all day

    leapfrogs are a waste of money

  40. Holes in resume by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People, being shallow and small minded, will automatically assume that you are doing something nefarious if you don't have a timeline or an incomplete one.

    Or look at what happens if you have a hole in your resume. If I want to go off and join a Buddhist colony or whatever for a couple of years, I don't think it's any employer's business. But no. If you don't have a good story for that hole, it is assumed you were in rehab or worse.

    Or look at the prejudice here on Slashdot against us ACs because we don't have a history.

    These timelines will become yet another way that we have to conform to society; otherwise, one becomes a social outcast living on the fringes of society.

    1. Re:Holes in resume by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or look at the prejudice here on Slashdot against us ACs because we don't have a history.

      I always post as AC. I don't have an account for anyone to track my history. I haven't noticed much in the way of discrimination. About the most severe was when someone posted a reply which basically said that my comment was ironic coming from an AC. No one has (yet) tried to run me off the site for posting as AC.

      These timelines will become yet another way that we have to conform to society; otherwise, one becomes a social outcast living on the fringes of society.

      Frankly, if this is "living on the fringes of society" then I am OK with that. Not all of my comments broadcast to the world need to be immortalized.

  41. Re:Those without a timeline will be at an advantag by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

    Honestly, this really sounds like a person who is addicted to life on the net, and can't imagine how people can be content with just some moderate interaction with e-mail, a website like slashdot, or some form of social media of their choosing... but could probably live without it as well. Having grown up without it, some of us understand that a fulfilling live is possible without the internet, just... not quite as convenient. He talks about being at a "huge disadvantage" without it, but seemed fairly vague about exactly what the actual advantages will be, other than some vague handwaving about how we'll possess some sort of creepy social advantages.

    And we’ll look back at the time before our feed started — before Year Zero — as a huge, unknowable black hole.

    Seriously? Read a book. Watch the History Channel. Talk to some people older than you. Damn. This is just inane rambling. It makes no sense to me as to why this "timeline" is going to occur, or how it's going to benefit us, as he implies. And this phenomenon is not unique to the digital age. The world before your own life began is *always* something of a "black hole" to you, as you can only learn about it second-hand. But honestly, this will be less so in the future, simply because of the pervasiveness of the information age and how much of the world is recorded and preserved for posterity. History has never been so accessible as it is now.

    I also think he overestimates the extent to which things will be integrated into one, all-powerful, all-convenient system. Each company is still going to have their own little walled garden they're offering, and people will either choose one of these to play in, or even *gasp* none of them.

    --
    Irony: Agile development has too much intertia to be abandoned now.
  42. The only problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that this timeline won't be (just) theirs. It will be de-facto public.

  43. Keep your timeline the hell away from me! by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    This "timeline" is the ultimate privacy nightmare and will be a blight on all those that suffer it.

    "Show me six lines written by the most honest man in the world, and I will find enough therein to hang him"

    If you thought your employer seeing your Facebook was bad, that was a little taste compared to what they'd do with this.

    --
    "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
  44. Re:Those without a timeline will be at an advantag by petes_PoV · · Score: 1

    and anybody who's mining this site already knows everything I think

    No. Everybody can access some pseudo-anonymous content that may be from one or more actual humans who have access to an account called "meta-monkey". Similarly, one, some or all of those humans could contribute to other pseudonyms and might post completely different views, opinions and personal information. We'd never know if there was a 1-to-1 relationship from a person to a "handle", a 1-to-many to other handles or a many-to-1 for a group contribution.

    Even using a "real name" is meaningless. Last time I googled, there were over 35,000 people with my name just in my country. You need a helluva lot more information (and it must be true information) before you can create a high-quality link between a single individual and an online presence.

    --
    politicians are like babies' nappies: they should both be changed regularly and for the same reasons
  45. Ostracize those pushing it now by mike2006 · · Score: 1

    I wish to keep my private life private and stay off it but have been forced in by our business culture which at one pointed threatened my career with insubordination for refusing to use linkedin.

    "Those without a timeline will be at a huge disadvantage." FU, really. I have had enough of companies and the media making it a life requirement to use social media. To stop this crap those pushing it need to be ridiculed and ostracized now. Simply saying no is not working. Where are the radicals when you need them?

    Why are people letting some fascist a-hole with a hoodie and his facist sister that have campaigned to eliminate online anonymity have so much power over our personal information and private life. It is mind boggling.

  46. WTF is all this shit? by Katatsumuri · · Score: 2

    What is all this babble about?
    - a modern mentalist
    - how to curry favor
    - Dunbar numbers
    - Fitbit
    - Jawbone
    - Mint
    - Waze
    - It’s about all of these, together

    What kind of parallel universe do you come from?

    I usually don't mind looking up a new term or name on Google or Wikipedia, but this author just keeps throwing up, and it doesn't look appetizing.

  47. Re:Those without a timeline will be at an advantag by Enigma2175 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seriously? Read a book. Watch the History Channel

    Why, so I can learn about "Ancient Aliens"? Or learn about how items are priced when pawned? Or keep track of the doings of "Swamp People"? I support your idea (learn history!) but watching the History Channel is one of the worst ways to do that.

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    Enigma

  48. Re:Those without a timeline will be at an advantag by alen · · Score: 1

    being that some of these services are used by a tiny minority of people and even facebook's user base a small minority do the regular posting, i wouldn't worry about it

    this is for the phone zombies who need google maps to walk the same route every day because they are too stupid to remember. in fact i bet a higher timeline score will be bad because it means all you do is stare into the phone

  49. Japan is the future by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

    You know all these kids, teens and young adults who are virtual shut-ins in Japan? Now imagine that 95% of the world population is like that.

    The only way to beat this "timeline" problem is to have as little direct interaction with people as possible.

    The good news is, a huge percentage of Slashdot readers have nothing to fear.

  50. For me ... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... the 1980's were a blur. Now, they'll be a pixelated blur.

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    Have gnu, will travel.
  51. Re:Those without a timeline will be at an advantag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ah, but, Facebook and smartphones are just two inputs into the beast that is being created. Everything you do in life that involves a phone call (smartphone or not) is cataloged, new cars are starting to pop up with phone-home (and no opt-out) features, your television is recording your voice, your game machine is (not currently) watching and listening, your every action on the internet is collected, every non-cash & non-rewards card purchase is collected, your operating system (is probably) also phoning home with personal information about your activities, and on, and on...

    Now, imagine gathering all of that information together in a massive data warehouse with analytics to paint a picture of your entire life. That is what's being talked about here. All of that data already exists in silos, but if you put it all under one roof? Total Information Awareness! Hmmmm.

  52. So we'll all have our own CRM for friends? by rockmuelle · · Score: 2

    A few random thoughts on this:

    Influencing people by having instant recall is a classic sales trick. Old school sales people wrote notes in their Rolodex to remember spouse's names, birthdays etc,. Today, Salesforce, Zoho, and the like (hell, even linkedin) handle this role. However, as soon as you realize that the sales person remembered something using a CRM rather than actually remembering it, that interaction quickly becomes awkward. In the past, sales techniques like these weren't well known outside of sales circles. Nowadays, everyone knows about them and they're less effective. The value in the technique is that people weren't aware it was being used and mistook the sales person remember personal details as actual friendship, rather than just a sales trick. Same will happen with timelines - we'll quickly sort those who use it as a gimmick and those who are sincere.

    Another angle is the fitbit/life tracking. You know who obsessively tracks everything they do in hopes of improving themselves? People who obsessively track everything in hopes of improving themselves. The rest of us don't. Those people will always be around and will use these tools, the rest of us won't.

    More importantly on the personal side of things: anyone who's accumulated a lifetime's worth of photos knows you never really go back an look at them in an detail. Sure, once in a while you'll reminisce, but you never do the detailed analysis of your past that these data hoarding stories predict. Instead, you live your life in the present, learning from the past with an eye toward the future. A few million years of evolution has made our brains very good at that. Every attempt to document and catalog our lives externally has failed to really live up to what our brain already does (hint: we likely don't have perfect recall for evolutionarily important reasons).

    From the corporate side, data will be tracked as long as it can be traced back to profits. Right now, most of the profits are going to companies selling big data analysis services. It's only a matter of time before their customers move on to the next marketing trend.

    trl;dr: live in the present and stop trying to cheat nature. :)

    -Chris

    ps: yes, the government collecting all this data is scary as hell. Voting can help fix that (at least in America - it'll take a few elections, but it's possible).

  53. Oh the ironing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And yet, for all the people here talking about how awful this will be, or that 'eventually people will get sick of it, and everything will work out', people wishing to be anonymous are literally already labeled as cowards.

  54. Article accidentally a few words by Cid+Highwind · · Score: 1

    Those trying to influence somebody with a good one will have the tricks of a modern mentalist: perfect recall, suggestions for how to curry favor, ease maintaining friendships and influencing strangers

    Information is power, think before handing too much of it over to the marketing dudebros.

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    1. Re:Article accidentally a few words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Information is power.

      Freedom is slavery
      War is peace
      Ignorance is strength

  55. Re:Those without a timeline will be at an advantag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Speaking of your nakedness... would you please cover up, there are children here! :)

  56. Hopeful 10 year predictions by WaffleMonster · · Score: 2

    In 10 year All of humanity will have ascended a higher plane of existence in which link-baiting, trolling and attempts at viral propagation of marketing propaganda will become so ineffective people will no longer bother to try.

  57. Re:Those without a timeline will be at an advantag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Speaking of your nakedness... would you please cover up, there are children here! :)

    If not for the sake of modesty, then for the sake of courtesy.

  58. Asperger's Geeks by rock_climbing_guy · · Score: 2
    Something tells me that this will be used to make Asperger's geeks into pariahs even more than they already are. It will make the already enormous pressure to conform to the group 100x heavier than it already is. Suicides will occur because people are embarrassed by their "timeline".

    Comparing "timelines" could make body image issues look like child's play.

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  59. Not really by jandersen · · Score: 2

    Not everyone is going to give a damn, to be honest - we don't all live and breathe for things like Twitbook or whatever they are called.

    I mean, I'm hardly a luddite, being a UNIX sysadmin, developing web applications in J2EE and so on, but I have only just got my first smartphone - and I have spent most of the time getting rid of crap I don't need or want. It's possible that sales guys actually believe in the hype when they go 'This Change Everything!!!!' from time to time, but it doesn't really. Think about it realistically; the internet has changed many of the ways we interact with information, but in many ways it is still the same sort of shape: Wikipedia has replaced the Encyclopedia and made it a lot easier to find out about things, but it is still, basically, an encyclopedia. On-line shopping is still shopping; we look at things, we pay for them etc. The internet, for at it's usefulness, has not "changed everything", it has just made the same old thing more convenient.

    There is a sort of Darwinian-like selection that goes on in all this: a lot of new technology is developed all the time, but most of it does not survive; in many cases because it isn't acutally that useful. Will it be compellingly useful to have complete timelines for every person on the planet? I doubt it; a lot of the data that can be collected will come from involuntary sources - such as the cheap, disposable computing devices that are one the way in. Never heard of them? Not surprising, perhaps, but there are in fact companies already now that make business from producing ultra-thin, printable computers, which can collect their electric power from ambient sources, and which will be fully networked. So, much of the data from people's "timeline" will come from such devices embedded in wrapping paper, cardboard boxes and clothes. There will GB of data from your underwear, just for starters. How useful is that going to be? People's video logs will be a very minor part of it, I can guarantee you. It's a fad, nothing more.

    1. Re:Not really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There will GB of data from your underwear, just for starters. How useful is that going to be? People's video logs will be a very minor part of it, I can guarantee you. It's a fad, nothing more.

      Wrong. You are forgetting that data storage density and processor power are both about to increase exponentially in the next few decades with the advent of non-silicon based technology (graphine and others) and photonics, for example. The heat limitations on the miniaturization of silicon chips will be gone. We are on the cusp of a huge leap in technology. Even without quantum computing, it's going to be possible to trawl, store and mine unimaginably vast quantities of data about us. No byte too trivial.

    2. Re:Not really by jandersen · · Score: 1

      We are on the cusp of a huge leap in technology

      If you say so - what I question is not whether this is possible or will be in a near future, but the claim of the article, that having a detailed record of everything that's ever happened in your life is going to be crucial to the individual. I don't doubt the value to science or medicine of having vast amounts of good quality data, and I no doubt whatsoever that there are advertising vultures, governmental spies and identity fraudsters out there keen to get their hands on the intimate details of everybody; but I can't see how any of that is of value to the individual.

      The hype about 'perfect recall' and having 'all your best moments preserved for the future' - what nonsense is that? There are many good reasons not to have perfect recall - there are people who suffer tremendously from not being able to forget even trivial details, not to mention traumatic incidents. The things that are worth recalling are the ones that stay with us, to put it popularly. Our brains have the ability to forget for good reasons; and having recorded your whole life in detail will not compensate for the fact that you are living a pretty trivial life.

  60. The End of All Timelines by Prototerm · · Score: 1

    Ah, no, that's not our future. In ten years global conflict, greed, and social pushback will cause civilization to collapse, reducing the world to an agrarian economy similar to the mid-nineteenth century. Technology of all sorts will be condemned as the cause of our problems, to which the solution will be ignorance, intolerance, and cultural isolation. Anyone who disagrees with the opinion of the majority will be purged from society. As a result, all digital Timelines will simply ... end.

    On a more positive note, at least the Net Neutrality debate will end as well.

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  61. what a load of shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only disadvantage will be that those people without a timeline will have something known as "privacy"

    1. Re:what a load of shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      privacy has no intrinsic value, nobody is going to pay you money for it.

      People might try to sell you things so you can have privacy, but it's an illusion. It's like your virginity, you can't really ever go back to the way it was before.

    2. Re:what a load of shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Privacy is going to be a luxury. Just look how rich people live today. Their houses aren't on Street View. All you see is the wall around their big properties. Nobody is going to pay you for your privacy? They're buying it from you every day, with worthless trinkets, but that's just because you don't value it enough yet.

    3. Re:what a load of shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The value of privacy is going to continue to go down while the supply (population) continues to go up.

    4. Re:what a load of shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The supply will go down once people see that privacy has value because lack of privacy has a cost.

  62. Do it to Julia! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Imagine a boot stamping on a human face... forever.

    Barrel + Fish / GE M134 Minigun + 5 mins. worth of ammo = Too fscking easy.

  63. Please stop the barrage of dystopian nightmares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1984 is not a manual, FFS. Your glorious ideas lead directly to fascism, you morons. We did not build the internet so that you can turn it into Facebook!

  64. will it? by ruir · · Score: 1

    Last time I heard, people are leaving facebook in droves...

    1. Re:will it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Last time I heard, people are leaving facebook in droves...

      Unfortunately, it's a long way from dead. And your mobile device is now doing a lot of tracking without your intervention.

  65. The persons with no timeline will be called "blank by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They will exist on the margins of society, performing tasks for which a fully-vetted identity is unnecessary or even undesirable.

    Some blanks may be interesting and colorful characters, compensating for their lack of connection with organized society.

    Blank reg in the Max Headroom series

  66. Re:Those without a timeline will be at an advantag by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

    I'm apparently a little dated, as I haven't had cable for the last six or seven years. It used to have really good documentaries, but I guess they've traded that in for lowest-common-denominator programming. Too bad.

    Well, I'm sure you can still find good historical documentaries out there somewhere.

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  67. Timeline archive by Bobberly · · Score: 1

    Take this random thought into consideration: arrest records. We've got a huge archive of them, and it is mostly meaningless data. We treat this data like it's the latest gossip, and yet it isn't fact checked against trials, convictions, dropped charges.

    Nothing against police officers, but they make mistakes and ultimately the prosecutor and judge/jury decide if a crime actually occurred.

    I know folks that were arrested and immediately had the charges dropped because it wasn't them. Yet that record still exists. What do these folks put on job applications that ask "Have you ever been arrested?" Even if the original was purged Google will find it.

    And folks are thinking having EVEN MORE of this data out there is an advantage? If we weren't worried when Twitter became a "reputable" news source then i don't know what it takes to scare someone these days.

  68. Re:Those without a timeline will be at an advantag by Moof123 · · Score: 1

    The author seemed delusional, especially on the point you make.

    At an interview you are better off telling your story from scratch or by personal reputation than having to deal with someone who has already googled up some tidbits and let their mind fill in the blanks. Plenty of private details that will never affect your work performance (church affiliation, political party, age) can dramatically affect someones perception of you and are hard unseat (especially if you are unaware of how you have been judged).

    I see a rich future for the already budding industry that massages your search results, and the concept that we will all have valuable timelines ignores that many will be skewed by manipulation.

  69. Re:Those without a timeline will be at an advantag by nmr_andrew · · Score: 1

    When enough people will have a timeline, not having one will become suspicious.

    Will become? It already is, at least in some circles. How many stories have we had on /. about people not getting a job or at least having a harder interview process because they don't have a Facebook profile for HR to troll through? Granted I don't, but I think I'm just old enough that it won't matter, at least so long as I continue to put some minimum into a LinkedIn profile so I have some semblance of an online persona.

  70. the big question: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where do I opt out?

  71. Nooooo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What a total fricking nightmare

  72. Re:Those without a timeline will be at an advantag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How many stories have we had on /. about people not getting a job or at least having a harder interview process because they don't have a Facebook profile for HR to troll through?

    While I have heard about this on the Internet, I don't know a single person in real life to whom it's applied.

  73. And by "half of humanity" you mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...the overclass to which laws don't apply. Like Hillary Clinton's private email system.

    Know your place, peasant. It's not up to you to judge your betters...

  74. Not if we hate it. by v(*_*)vvvv · · Score: 1

    The prediction here is made by extending the present, but the future is never that predictable. Look at snapchat and google allowing deletion of entries. The demand for ephemeral data is growing, and this directly contradicts the premises. What this doesn't take into account is the people NOT wanting this who will invent ways to serve those who don't want it either... and when that market surpasses the Timeline reseller market, this prophecy will not be fulfilled.

    Timeline is a technology that is already here and it already has a market. In the future, we will be able to own our timeline, and we would not want others to own our timeline. The government will try, but we will fight them, like always. And once there are better alternatives, we will get off facebook and google and all the timeline reselling monopolies....

    Timelines aren't just for people though... Phones, toasters, forks... anything could have a timeline, and this is where non-right-violating timeline technology has a huge upside. But I'd be wary of any company banking on the timelines of people, especially those that disregard basic user rights and user voices, such as facebook and google.

  75. It already exists by wiredlogic · · Score: 1

    We all have a timeline already. Acxiom has been tracking electronic spending and any other records they can get a hold of since 1969. Every adult in a first world country who isn't living off grid is tracked. Your profile is meticulously maintained and sold off to whoever wants it. They can infer women's menstrual cycles and let marketers know the best time to send targeted ads when they are most likely to have success. That is just the tip of the iceberg of the way these big data companies can influence your life.

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  76. the elite will not have tails by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is far more likely is what is already increasingly the case today: You can't find out much of anything about the elites. But they know who you are, where you live, what you think, where you shop, what your phone number is, where you went to school, what your weaknesses are, who your friends are, their phone numbers and where they live, your sexual preferences, who you date, what crimes you've committed, how you vote, what you weigh, what your grades were from first grade through today, and that and everything else is cross correlated, logged and analyzed to control you. They can buy and sell you or take you out any time they want.

    And you did it to yourself. Welcome to the future, sucker.

  77. Opting out = PENALTY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People here say: just opt out of social media. So I did. But the reality is I am heavily penalized for doing so. No Facebook means I miss out on all sorts of social events, lose track of old friends, and am held in suspicion by some. No LinkedIn will hit me hard in looking for new contracts. Employers cannot google me, I'm not on Twitter or Facebook or LinkedIn, in short: I don't exist. What do I do?