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YouTube Video of Racist Chant Results In Fraternity Closure
HughPickens.com writes The NYT reports that after a video was posted on YouTube that appeared to show members of the members Sigma Alpha Epsilon at University of Oklahoma singing a racist chant, the organization's board decided "with no mental reservation whatsoever that this chapter needed to be closed immediately." The video shows a group of young white people in formal wear riding a bus and singing a chant laden with antiblack slurs and at least one reference to lynching. A grinning young man wearing a tuxedo and standing in the aisle of the bus pumps his fist in the air as he chants, while a young woman seated nearby claps. The chant vows that African-Americans will "never" be allowed to join the campus chapter.
The nine-second video was uploaded to YouTube on Sunday by a student group, the Unheard Movement, that first identified the people in it as members of Sigma Alpha Epsilon, although the group did not indicate how it obtained the video or when it was filmed. University president, David Boren, said in an emailed statement that the administration was also investigating the video. "I have just been informed of the video, which purports to show students to show students engaging in a racist chant. We are investigating to determine if the video involved OU students. If O.U. students are involved, this behavior will not be tolerated and will be addressed very quickly," said Boren. "This behavior is reprehensible and contrary to all of our values." Students marched on the campus of the University of Oklahoma on Monday to protest the video.
The nine-second video was uploaded to YouTube on Sunday by a student group, the Unheard Movement, that first identified the people in it as members of Sigma Alpha Epsilon, although the group did not indicate how it obtained the video or when it was filmed. University president, David Boren, said in an emailed statement that the administration was also investigating the video. "I have just been informed of the video, which purports to show students to show students engaging in a racist chant. We are investigating to determine if the video involved OU students. If O.U. students are involved, this behavior will not be tolerated and will be addressed very quickly," said Boren. "This behavior is reprehensible and contrary to all of our values." Students marched on the campus of the University of Oklahoma on Monday to protest the video.
SigEps are racists. Wait, frats in general are racists. No shit, Sherlock. PKA on my campus was 100% Jewish. If you weren't Jewish, you weren't getting in. Some were all white. Some all black. The entirety of the greek system is racism and sexism in action. Give me a break with your feigned outrage.
Seems like you can't be a racist bigot anymore without someone taping what you say and posting it online. How are good old boys clubs supposed to survive in the new millennium? Are we going to have more places demanding people surrender their cellphones before entering? Between this and dashcams and cop cameras it's getting really hard to get away with being a total shithead anymore. We're going to have to see some senators step up and propose legislation to protect the children and good old fashion values soon or it will be too late.
I read the internet for the articles.
The guys were racist, they got the hammer of justice thrown at them. They suffered consequences and will have to deal with and learn from them. Case closed.
Not all men are now magically racist, nor college students, nor frats. The system doesn't need to change. Everything worked as intended.
Personally, I don't think we need to make every event that happens into some huge debate over whether our culture is circling the drain and chanting, "There needs to be a law!".
That's just my opinion. Feel free to disagree, and I hope you have a good day.
I'm pretty sure SAE is bad from the top down:
Your hair look like poop, Bob! - Wanker.
I guess the proto-Republicans don't fall far from their daddy's apple tree.
Remind me again which party was the one perpetuating segregation and doing everything possible at the legislative and executive level in the south to prevent the progress of the civil rights movement? Oh, right, it was democrats. Remind me again which movement was championing mandatory sterilization of inferior women, eugenics, and other charming Master Race type strategies? Oh, right, it was the founding Progressives - a group that to this day is absolutely obsessed with labeling people, keeping minorities in low-class government dependency, and anxious at every turn to lock down free speech when people don't agree with them.
The inheritors of those groups - contemporary Democrats and Progressives - haven't really changed their outlook a bit. They're entirely about thinking the least of minorities, and proclaiming their own elites as the group best suited to tend to them, like zoo animals, through the establishment and maintenance of an elaborate nanny state that knows best how to nurse them along. It was odious from the beginning, and still is. Jackass frat boys deserve the scorn they earn. Truly insidious left power mongers deserve a lot worse for the decades of misery they're proud to perpetuate.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
In other news, strictly black-only frats and sororities have all also been disbanded for being racially exclusive, even when they have new pledges march around in militant formations chanting Nation Of Islam sayings and trying to intimidate white students on campus. Oops! That hasn't happened, and never will. Funny about that.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
As a millenial I dont find racism offensive, I find it contemptuous. it serves as reminder that a sizeable minority of americans willfully refuse to be a part of modern society. That theyre given a voice, taken seriously and sincerely at their word, and that they participate in my government and interact with my society is infuriating. that despite the best efforts of millions, there will always without question be a remainder of those who would rather cling tenaciously to racism, sexism, homophobia and xenophobia than get onboard and tackle real issues and challenges is a absurd to no end. You can live for yourself today, or you can work together to build a brighter and better tomorrow for everyone.
Good people go to bed earlier.
Fact: The Republican Party was founded primarily to oppose slavery, and Republicans eventually abolished slavery. The Democratic Party fought them and tried to maintain and expand slavery. The 13th Amendment, abolishing slavery, passed in 1865 with 100% Republican support but only 23% Democrat support in congress.
Why is this indisputable fact so rarely mentioned? PBS documentaries about slavery and the Civil War barely mention it, for example. One can certainly argue that the parties have changed in 150 years (more about that below), but that does not change the historical fact that it was the Democrats who supported slavery and the Republicans who opposed it. And that indisputable fact should not be airbrushed out for fear that it will tarnish the modern Democratic Party.
Had the positions of the parties been the opposite, and the Democrats had fought the Republicans to end slavery, the historical party roles would no doubt be repeated incessantly in these documentaries. Funny how that works.
Fact: During the Civil War era, the "Radical Republicans" were given that name because they wanted to not only end slavery but also to endow the freed slaves with full citizenship, equality, and rights.
Yes, that was indeed a radical idea at the time!
Fact: Lincoln's Vice President, Andrew Johnson, was a strongly pro-Union (but also pro-slavery) Democrat who had been chosen by Lincoln as a compromise running mate to attract Democrats. After Lincoln was assassinated, Johnson thwarted Republican efforts in Congress to recognize the civil rights of the freed slaves, and Southern Democrats continued to thwart any such efforts for close to a century.
Fact: The 14th Amendment, giving full citizenship to freed slaves, passed in 1868 with 94% Republican support and 0% Democrat support in congress. The 15th Amendment, giving freed slaves the right to vote, passed in 1870 with 100% Republican support and 0% Democrat support in congress.
Regardless of what has happened since then, shouldn't we be grateful to the Republicans for these Amendments to the Constitution? And shouldn't we remember which party stood for freedom and which party fiercely opposed it?
Fact: The Ku Klux Klan was originally and primarily an arm of the Southern Democratic Party. Its mission was to terrorize freed slaves and "ni**er-loving" (their words) Republicans who sympathized with them.
Why is this fact conveniently omitted in so many popular histories and depictions of the KKK, including PBS documentaries? Had the KKK been founded by Republicans, that fact would no doubt be repeated constantly on those shows.
Fact: In the 1950s, President Eisenhower, a Republican, integrated the US military and promoted civil rights for minorities. Eisenhower pushed through the Civil Rights Act of 1957. One of Eisenhower's primary political opponents on civil rights prior to 1957 was none other than Lyndon Johnson, then the Democratic Senate Majority Leader. LBJ had voted the straight segregationist line until he changed his position and supported the 1957 Act.
Fact: The historic Civil Rights Act of 1964 was supported by a higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats in both houses of Congress. In the House, 80 percent of the Republicans and 63 percent of the Democrats voted in favor. In the Senate, 82 percent of the Republicans and 69 percent of the Democrats voted for it.
Fact: Contrary to popular misconception, the parties never "switched" on racism. The Democrats just switched from overt racism to a subversive strategy of getting blacks as dependent as possible on government to secure their votes. At the same time, they began a cynical smear campaign to label anyone who opposes their devious strategy as greedy racists.
Following the epic civil rights struggles of the 1960s, the South began a major demographic shift from Democratic to Republican dominance. Many believe that this shift was motivated by racism. While it is certainly true that many Southern racists abandoned the Democratic Party over
So, again, here's you refusing to even dabble in a discussion about the points raised, and simply responding with the classically lazy left ad hominem. So predictable.
Let's try again. Would you say that, as mentioned above, black culture in the US has a different license to rant and chant racist nonsense without the same consequences as other groups? Yes or no. Do you concede that there is a double standard, or will you just say Fox! Fox! Fox! in order to avoid addressing that unfortunate reality?
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
not all white men are the heads of companies, running Fortune 500 companies, congressional officials, police chiefs, etc.
But very few non-white, non-men are.
That's why. It's not racism because when a black person calls you names to hurt your feelings, they also don't have the weight of systemic racial biases behind it. They call you names and that's it.
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
It's the application of technology of various kinds to bring light to activities of an exclusive club that would not have otherwise remained secret. It's an application of pervasive surveillance technology combined with online services to publish the results of surveillance (or recording). It's also an interesting free speech question.
In the real 1984 it's not Big Brother you have to worry about.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
If the premise is false then the conclusion is most likely false. Similarly, if the premise is exclusionary then the conclusion will also be exclusionary. I do realize that "white males" are the favorite punching bag for claims of discrimination, but the point is that discrimination is everywhere and employed by all sorts of people. Women hating on men, blacks hating on whites, Christians hating on Muslims, Muslims hating on non-Muslims, etc.. etc..
The problem is exacerbated by media who keeps issues in the spotlights, occasionally even inventing them. This is one of many ways that the powerful remain in power.. by making us bicker with each other.
If you doubt that discrimination is universal then visit a place like Saudi Arabia carrying a Bible and wearing a cross. Go to Harlem, Detroit, Compton, etc.. if you are white. Tell just about anyone that you are Jewish if you are. That we make a big deal of these differences 2,500 years after we should know better is a different issue (referring to Plato's "The Republic").
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Just from what's in the another post I read, I'd say that they were not "merely" racist, but threatening. I mean, that is the South, home to the KKK that murdered a hell of a lot for the "crime" of being black. That makes them dangerous.
And, of course, it's the kind of crap I'd expect from the majority of Greeks - classiism, racism, you-have-to-be-worth-money-to-get-in.... They've never had much of a rep beyond party, drinking, etc, and this goes back to my first time in college, long before most of you were born.
I see no reason to make Greeks part of the official college landscape. Most of 'em have nothing to do with actual learning... which is, allegedly, what you're paying that money for.
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How is anyone supposed to take you seriously when you use terms like "lazy left" I certainly don't. But as for your argument. it might be more socially accepted for blacks to spout racist nonsense, but I'm willing to bargain that they are subject to more racism than whites are on a daily basis. Would you agree..? Yes or No. or are you just going to chant "lazy left" again.
Also, don't forget "start a fire for a man, keep him warm for the night. Set a man on fire, keep him warm for the rest of his life!"
Right. Because chanting "you can hang them from a tree" is more or less equivalent to calling a white person a cracker.
Note, the above is sarcasm, which usually doesn't come through on the internet.
This is also a university, not society at large. As such there can be different rules on speech. A black fraternity doing the same thing would not get away with it on any campus.
They vowed that African-Americans will "never" be allowed to join the campus chapter, and they stayed true to that vow by getting the chapter closed down.
Not that for a second I condone such attittudes, just saying that from a purely literalist standpoint, they certainly weren't lying.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
It is if the following are true:
1.) You are reading this
2.) You're a nerd.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
The scariest part of this, to me, is the sheer number of people, who chose to post here anonymously...
Clearly, the fear of being prosecuted for thought-crimes is wide-spread... Among Whites.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Black racism is "socially accepted." Some drunk white dude says the N word under his breath, and the AG, President, race-baiting Sharpton and Jackson shows up, and the entire white population is put in the same bucket as a drunk frat boy.
Blacks calling whites crackers, making fun of them in rap music, ostracizing and subjecting whites to crime in "their" neighborhoods and constantly falsely accusing whites as being racists and "the man" and keeping them down,etc.
Dude, black fatigue. Im sick of it. And I'm sick of the horrible near totality of racism blacks have for whites and nobody calls them on it. Black racism and black racketeering to milk the system AND keep the majority of blacks on the modern welfare plantation is more of a policy of those the blacks vote for and their own broken fatherless homes and broken crime-ridden graffiti-ridden communities than anything whites do.
Blacks kill more blacks by far than whites.
You're a fool.
When any black person can make a phone call to the Police, give them a _description_ of a generic white person, and put innocent white lives at risk, talk me to death about the social acceptance of black racism. When enough blacks are in positions of management to deny white people opportunities because they feel that for arbitrary reasons, they just don't fit in, talk me to death about the social acceptance of black racism. When white people feel compelled to alter their natural appearance chemically or otherwise to "appear acceptable" or otherwise "make it in a corporate America", talk me to death about the acceptance of black racism.
The bottom line is despite supposedly being "equal" and ENTITLED TO "equal treatment under the law" SO SAYETH the CONSTITUTION OF THESE UNITED STATES, black survival in America is STILL largely dependent upon the comfort level whites have with them. While many whites today may not be the racists that their ancestors living A MERE GENERATION AGO were (and make no mistake there remain plenty of whites who ARE EVERY BIT the racists their ancestors were), THIS ESSENTIAL FACT is as true today as it was during SLAVERY.
>>>>Blacks kill more blacks by far than whites.
To assert that blacks kill more blacks by far than whites is meaningless and stupid due to the fact that people commit crimes where they LIVE. White people kill more of each other by far than blacks kill whites... and in China, Chinese people kill more of each other by far than whites OR blacks kill Chinese. That's the easy observation made by people who ride the short bus and watch Faux News. They're also typically the same people who claim to want a small government with a BIG MILITARY empowered to make laws governing the _social_ behavior of everyone else.
I'll say this, and say it daring anyone to challenge it:
Black people in America are amongst THE MOST PEACEFUL PEOPLE within its borders.
How can I say that? Because if white people were subjected to a TINY FRACTION of the bullsh*t they've subjected black people to OVER HUNDREDS OF YEARS AND CONTINUING TO THIS VERY DAY, they'd have burned this country to the ground a long time ago. America itself was essentially founded over a TAX DISPUTE, just imagine if the English had been forcing the colonists to work from sun-up to sun-down for free while denying them their BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS?
YET AND STILL, despite the slight, the wrong, or the indignity, BLACK PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT PEACEFUL PROTEST. Al Sharpton comes to your town to _DISCUSS_ HIS GRIEVANCES. Black people are ALWAYS talking about DEMONSTRATING PEACEFULLY... and WHY NOT? IN AMERICA, BLACK PEOPLE IMPORTED THE CONCEPT OF PEACEFUL PROTEST. They looked to Ghandi and thought: GREAT IDEA! In contrast, what happens when white people feel slighted? THEY ARE USUALLY THE FIRST TO REACH FOR THEIR GUNS, to SING THE PRAISES OF THE 2ND AMENDMENT, and to threaten violence against this government for supposedly infringing upon their freedom (mainly to be assh*les to everyon
On thing is for certain: The people in the video are quite safe from charges of thought crime.
I think we can safely say there was damn little intelligent thought happening there.
Clubs are held to a higher standard. The general student body can get away with a whole lot. You can go and have a racist rant out in public every day and so long as you aren't disruptive, threatening, etc then they can't do anything, they have to let you stay and if a teacher were to retaliate grade wise they could get in trouble. However clubs, like frats, have additional rules imposed on them if they wish to remain school recognized clubs. The school doesn't have to allow them, so they can choose what additional restrictions they face.
Now you are free to have a club not recognized by the campus, but then you won't be able to use campus facilities, participate in official campus events, and so on.
The grandparent's post made no statements about the first amendment. He stated an argument that higher education should be about growing knowledge and that free speech is an essential component of it.
He actually made a rather compelling argument that suppressing that speech may be more harmful than refuting it. After all, if willingness to challenge fundamental axioms of knowledge isn't allowed in a college setting, then where would it be?
Racism is incredibly harmful. Suppression of ideas is harmful. The 1st protects our ideas and speech from congress, and the 14th protects us from racism.
We the people are "endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights"--the 1st amendment is not required for the right of free speech to exist.
-=Lothsahn=-
So... what's your view on the Voting Rights Act being recently gutted and the overnight movement towards voter suppression in several republican states?
Separately, I don't think either party is (inherently) racist. I think they simply pander to different socio-economic demographics. However, in certain sections of the country, I do think that republicans hang a big, loud "you're not welcome here" sign for anyone they don't see as a potential constituent.
Why can't all fpga/microcontroller manufacturers just release free optimizing compilers???
I assume you're kidding, I'm missing it, and the WHOOSH! sound is about to happen, but...
Lambda Lambda Lambda, or "LLL" as the name for the black fraternity was simply a play on the KKK name for the Klan.
Why would the college have any reason to discipline the students, especially if this is a public college(I haven't checked what kind of school it is yet)...that would in a way be government censorship would it not (if it is publicly funded).
Freedom of speech kinda implies that there is no freedom from being offended....
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
When white people feel compelled to alter their natural appearance chemically or otherwise to "appear acceptable" or otherwise "make it in a corporate America", talk me to death about the acceptance of black racism.
Clearly you know fuck all about being white then. You think I _want_ to wear this fucking suit, have this fucking haircut? Have you seen the shit people go through if they have a tattoo? Do you realise that every fucking woman in Manchester wears fake tan because otherwise they're too fucking white?
make no mistake there remain plenty of whites who ARE EVERY BIT the racists their ancestors were
Sadly this is true. Equally sad is how fucking racist so many non-white Amercians are too. Bigotry does not excuse bigotry.
Black people in America are amongst THE MOST PEACEFUL PEOPLE within its borders.
Crime statistics do not agree with you, even after adjusting for location.
Adjusting for wealth, possibly, and skin colour is not the determining factor, but the correlation is absolutely fucking there.
, just imagine if the English had been forcing the colonists to work from sun-up to sun-down for free while denying them their BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS?
So who has made you, your siblings, your parents or your friends work from sun-up to sun-down for free, with or without basic human rights? Just that, my ancestors were enslaved by the Romans, and then by the Vikings, and then by Barbary Pirates, and I'm not using any of that as an excuse for racism or bigotry.
BLACK PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT PEACEFUL PROTEST
You seem to be entirely disregarding entire subcultures across America. See a post above for some example song lyrics that don't seem to gel with your hypothesis.
is it black people that have a history of hanging white people by their necks from trees or white people who have a history of hanging black people by their necks from trees?
Look you racist fuck, I haven't hung anybody from a tree. Stop stereotyping based on race you bigoted twat.
(Apply that response to your other inane unnecessary bullshit examples - and do try not to pretend that this is all one-way traffic)
Black people have endured and continue to endure all of this NONSENSE and yet at their angriest, they typically want to MARCH about it. No talk about the 2nd amendment, NO talk about shooting their oppressors in the name of FREEDOM. No news-er-uh propaganda channel dedicated to spurring them on..
I fail miserably to see how this excuses racism. You are not making a valid point. You are not justifying the bigoted bullshit you're spouting.
The majority of people using social programs? White people. There are far more whites in the trailer park using food stamps than blacks in the ghetto, and far more trailer parks than ghettos.
There are far more white people than black people in America, it's hardly surprising that there are more of them in a given social strata.
Do the same comparison on a percentage population basis by race, see if you get the same results.
Even then, don't be using this to justify racism. Shit, a lot of deprived black neighbourhoods consider an attempt to get educated and break the cycle of poverty a betrayal and something to mock. Rail against that primitive attitude if you want to do something useful.
The primary beneficiary of affirmative action programs? White women. White women have benefitted far more from "the system" than all other minorities put together.
Affirmative action is discrimination and should be banned. I fucking hate it, and if you think white women gain the most from it, trust me, white men lose the fucking most from it. It's actually legal to discriminate against white men and you think black people have the problems?!
Black racism? THAT'S YOUR PROBLEM? Really? Seriously? Kill yourself.
No. I'd rather kill the racist. But save me the bother, you live in a country with a high incidence of self-inflicted firearm injuries, be my guest.
African Americans routinely vote well over 90 percent Democratic for fear that Republicans will cut their government benefits and welfare programs.
Interesting historical facts which I accept on face value, but then you fuck it up by claiming you can read the minds of blacks.
Before LBJ's Great Society welfare programs, the black illegitimacy rate was as low as 23 percent, but now it has more than tripled to 72 percent.
My first child, now 35, was technically illegitimate. I ask you the same question I asked my parents in 1979 - Why is that a problem?
Every political party has its racists.
You should have stopped there, the rest of your post is just a twisted apology for your own political party.
And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
Systemic racism? That'll be why every company I work for prefers to employ people from the Indian subcontinent.
Systemic sexism? It's legal in this country to discriminate against men, the courts give men harsher sentences for the same crimes, school teachers give boys lower marks for the same work, men die younger, men work longer hours, the government spends less on male healthcare.. you want me to fucking continue or are you going to start bleating about this mythical 'male privilege' that allegedly exists?
As someone that has been bullied for being perceived as 'queer' and mocked for being trans, I can confirm that I've never seen anybody penalised by public bodies, employers or any of my friends for being anything other than straight.
So no, I haven't been the beneficiary. I've grown up in a working class family wearing second hand clothes as a constant stranger due to moving around too often, so don't be giving me any fucking privilege or systemic benefit bullshit.
Your first "example" is actually lifted from a parody originally performed by Eddie Murphy on Saturday Night Live in 1982. I saw it the first time it ran.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
Which is another way to STILL skip talking about the actual subject matter. Fox! Fox! Fox! Anything but the topic at hand! Fox! FOX FOX FOX!
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
I'm not homosexual, and I don't use the term queer - the ignorant fucks bullying me did.
I'm sure that prejudice and discrimination are out there but I've still never seen anti-lgbt policies at any company, or government organisation. I have seen sexist anti-male ones but no racist ones.
You know why? Because this society doesn't tolerate bigotry (except sadly feminist misandry) and although there are idiots everywhere they come in all races, genders and gender preferences. Nobody gets a free ride through life so stop being a previous snowflake and don't accept bigotry where it still exists - no matter who it's from.
"It's not racism because when a black person calls you names to hurt your feelings"
Bullshit. It's socially accepted racism.
blindly antisocialist = antisocial