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YouTube Video of Racist Chant Results In Fraternity Closure
HughPickens.com writes The NYT reports that after a video was posted on YouTube that appeared to show members of the members Sigma Alpha Epsilon at University of Oklahoma singing a racist chant, the organization's board decided "with no mental reservation whatsoever that this chapter needed to be closed immediately." The video shows a group of young white people in formal wear riding a bus and singing a chant laden with antiblack slurs and at least one reference to lynching. A grinning young man wearing a tuxedo and standing in the aisle of the bus pumps his fist in the air as he chants, while a young woman seated nearby claps. The chant vows that African-Americans will "never" be allowed to join the campus chapter.
The nine-second video was uploaded to YouTube on Sunday by a student group, the Unheard Movement, that first identified the people in it as members of Sigma Alpha Epsilon, although the group did not indicate how it obtained the video or when it was filmed. University president, David Boren, said in an emailed statement that the administration was also investigating the video. "I have just been informed of the video, which purports to show students to show students engaging in a racist chant. We are investigating to determine if the video involved OU students. If O.U. students are involved, this behavior will not be tolerated and will be addressed very quickly," said Boren. "This behavior is reprehensible and contrary to all of our values." Students marched on the campus of the University of Oklahoma on Monday to protest the video.
The nine-second video was uploaded to YouTube on Sunday by a student group, the Unheard Movement, that first identified the people in it as members of Sigma Alpha Epsilon, although the group did not indicate how it obtained the video or when it was filmed. University president, David Boren, said in an emailed statement that the administration was also investigating the video. "I have just been informed of the video, which purports to show students to show students engaging in a racist chant. We are investigating to determine if the video involved OU students. If O.U. students are involved, this behavior will not be tolerated and will be addressed very quickly," said Boren. "This behavior is reprehensible and contrary to all of our values." Students marched on the campus of the University of Oklahoma on Monday to protest the video.
SigEps are racists. Wait, frats in general are racists. No shit, Sherlock. PKA on my campus was 100% Jewish. If you weren't Jewish, you weren't getting in. Some were all white. Some all black. The entirety of the greek system is racism and sexism in action. Give me a break with your feigned outrage.
And keep the kids out.
Seems like you can't be a racist bigot anymore without someone taping what you say and posting it online. How are good old boys clubs supposed to survive in the new millennium? Are we going to have more places demanding people surrender their cellphones before entering? Between this and dashcams and cop cameras it's getting really hard to get away with being a total shithead anymore. We're going to have to see some senators step up and propose legislation to protect the children and good old fashion values soon or it will be too late.
I read the internet for the articles.
The guys were racist, they got the hammer of justice thrown at them. They suffered consequences and will have to deal with and learn from them. Case closed.
Not all men are now magically racist, nor college students, nor frats. The system doesn't need to change. Everything worked as intended.
Personally, I don't think we need to make every event that happens into some huge debate over whether our culture is circling the drain and chanting, "There needs to be a law!".
That's just my opinion. Feel free to disagree, and I hope you have a good day.
Yep, another demonstration of white people acting "superior."
Boren graduated Yale and was a member of the Skull and Bones secret society. I wonder how racially tolerant and diverse that organization was at the time he was in it, much less as it is now.
A public university can't do anything. Removing the fraternity is a maybe, but thin ice. Any form of discipline against the students would be illegal.
And for the "no freedom from consequences" crowd, it would be the same as the DMV cutting up your license, being denied public transit, or being denied food stamps/unemployment, all because you criticized the iraq war/NSA/obamacare.
I guess the proto-Republicans don't fall far from their daddy's apple tree.
That is all.
members of the members Sigma Alpha Epsilon at University of Oklahoma singing a racist chant
Gee, racism in the American South. Who would have ever predicted that...
Lambda lambda lambda would have used some sort of HOSTS file, I'm sure, so such think would have never happened.
I guess thats not racist... The world is a strange place...
Black racism is "socially accepted." Some drunk white dude says the N word under his breath, and the AG, President, race-baiting Sharpton and Jackson shows up, and the entire white population is put in the same bucket as a drunk frat boy.
Blacks calling whites crackers, making fun of them in rap music, ostracizing and subjecting whites to crime in "their" neighborhoods and constantly falsely accusing whites as being racists and "the man" and keeping them down,etc.
Dude, black fatigue. Im sick of it. And I'm sick of the horrible near totality of racism blacks have for whites and nobody calls them on it. Black racism and black racketeering to milk the system AND keep the majority of blacks on the modern welfare plantation is more of a policy of those the blacks vote for and their own broken fatherless homes and broken crime-ridden graffiti-ridden communities than anything whites do.
Blacks kill more blacks by far than whites.
Sunday night on the Row.
http://www.sae.net/home/pages/news/news---media-statements---fraternity-leadership-closes-chapter-at-university-of-oklahoma
Wow, that's almost word for word the talking points Fox puts out.
Wow, that's almost word for word the talking points Fox puts out.
What's more interesting is that you can't be bothered to address the substance of the comment, but instead say Fox! Fox! Fox!
Typical.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
Oh Dice, you knew this story would get four figures of comments so you just couldn't resist, could you? I'm not usually one of the "Not News for Nerds" crowd but this is sort of shameless -- if I want to see scorched earth on the comment boards I'll go read about this on Fox or Mother Jones.
Is this News for Nerds?
And chanting gleefully about how crackers or whiteys would never be in their all-black fraternity?
Of course, we all know they would be being applauded and anyone who complained would be called a racist.
Yes, that's right; replying to Fox News talking points is typically a waste of time; not because the substance cannot be "addressed", but rather because the audience is deaf to anything that doesn't reconfirm their worldview.
I'm pretty sure SAE is bad from the top down:
Your hair look like poop, Bob! - Wanker.
Yeah, I feel ya, with my black boss keeping me down and promoting that unqualified Dwayne guy instead.
Oh wait, nobody I work with is black, my boss isn't black, actually there isn't a black person in my office right now. I don't doubt that some black people aren't racist but to call us victims is rediculous, nobody in my family was ever property. I'm not surpried there are next to 0 black people in IT and the reasons are complex. However the claim of reverse racisim is just another manifestation of racism.
Wow, that's almost word for word the talking points Fox puts out.
What's more interesting is that you can't be bothered to address the substance of the comment, but instead say Fox! Fox! Fox!
Typical.
There is no substance. If a case were made and presently cogently, citing credible sources, maybe a response could be offered. The only verifiable statement made was "Blacks kill more blacks by far than whites," which just diverts attention from racism to murder (either can exist without the other). It is also true that whites kill more whites by far than blacks. Does that means "black racism" isn't out of control?
In other news, strictly black-only frats and sororities have all also been disbanded for being racially exclusive, even when they have new pledges march around in militant formations chanting Nation Of Islam sayings and trying to intimidate white students on campus. Oops! That hasn't happened, and never will. Funny about that.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
> A grinning young man wearing a tuxedo and standing in the aisle of the bus pumps his fist in the air as he chants, while a young woman seated nearby claps.
At least they showed some equality there. Thought womyn can never be racists.
And also because the 'substance' requires living in an alternative reality bubble that takes on a whole set of initial assumptions which can not be challenged.
So your argument is that since we should expect fraternities to be intolerant ( an unsubstantiated premise, but that's another argument ), then we should accept intolerance within these organizations?
Another example would be, since I expect the occasional murder in the city ( given the population size and crime statistics ), I should not be outraged when it occurs.
It always interests me how Slashdot deals with logic when discussing intolerance ( and H1Bs ) versus everything else.
News for nerds...
As a millenial I dont find racism offensive, I find it contemptuous. it serves as reminder that a sizeable minority of americans willfully refuse to be a part of modern society. That theyre given a voice, taken seriously and sincerely at their word, and that they participate in my government and interact with my society is infuriating. that despite the best efforts of millions, there will always without question be a remainder of those who would rather cling tenaciously to racism, sexism, homophobia and xenophobia than get onboard and tackle real issues and challenges is a absurd to no end. You can live for yourself today, or you can work together to build a brighter and better tomorrow for everyone.
Good people go to bed earlier.
no links to video? if i need to dig it up on my own, why do i need to read about it on slashdot?
As awful as the language is, Univ. of Oklahoma is a public university. If they're considering expelling the students, wouldn't that be a first amendment violation? Assuming they are going to be expelled.
Okay, so maybe the school has a certain policy to abide by, and maybe you think that's okay. (Not necessarily replying to the poster above.)
That by agreeing to the policy, it is justifiable to expel someone over racist speech because it violates their policy.
What if said policy were to contain a prohibiting not just on discrimination, but also complaint speech against the school?
What if a student were to make complaints about school policies, conduct, whatever? Maybe you don't like their meal plans, and complain about it. Would it be justifiable to expel a student over that then?
If it's a public university, the college should have to respect free speech. No matter how distasteful the speech is.
However, losing their frat status is for the best since that's a private organization punishing their members.
New moderation: Whenever a Slashdotter brings up Fox News in a thread, it's an automatic (Score:-1, Nerd-raging dead horse)
Why does "give a man a fish feed him for a day, teach a man to fish feed him for life" not apply in the same way as living on the welfare state? If you give someone something you take care of immediate need but ignore that it's helping in the long run?
I've never understood the logic, in a sense one set of chains has been replaced by another.
I am Bennett Haselton! I am Bennett Haselton!
Yes, absolutely, we have freedom of speech, and within certain limits you are allowed to say whatever the fuck you want.
However, be aware that this does not free you from consequences. If you want to say racist things, go ahead, but you will suffer the indignation and general displeasure of those that disagree with you, and this WILL lead to direct and indirect consequences.
If you don't want to face those consequences, then maybe instead of blindly joining in, you should think before you act.
I feel no remorse in the loss of an obviously racist bunch from the Greek system. Good riddance.
So, again, here's you refusing to even dabble in a discussion about the points raised, and simply responding with the classically lazy left ad hominem. So predictable.
Let's try again. Would you say that, as mentioned above, black culture in the US has a different license to rant and chant racist nonsense without the same consequences as other groups? Yes or no. Do you concede that there is a double standard, or will you just say Fox! Fox! Fox! in order to avoid addressing that unfortunate reality?
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
not all white men are the heads of companies, running Fortune 500 companies, congressional officials, police chiefs, etc.
But very few non-white, non-men are.
That's why. It's not racism because when a black person calls you names to hurt your feelings, they also don't have the weight of systemic racial biases behind it. They call you names and that's it.
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
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Just like when the creator of javascript was attacked for opposing homosexual marriage. In the eyes of many, opposing homosexual marriage is seen as a greater sin than the creation of javascript. I don't want a tech site where that is the case.
SAE = Same Asshole Everywhere
I kind of doubt the racist blacks (so-called "rap artists", et al) would be welcome on the Ohio University campus either. Did I miss the press release that states otherwise?
Hey, certain posters here. Hate speech is not covered by the First Amendment. "Hang em from a tree", is emphatically not covered, get off you Free Speech high horse.
If the premise is false then the conclusion is most likely false. Similarly, if the premise is exclusionary then the conclusion will also be exclusionary. I do realize that "white males" are the favorite punching bag for claims of discrimination, but the point is that discrimination is everywhere and employed by all sorts of people. Women hating on men, blacks hating on whites, Christians hating on Muslims, Muslims hating on non-Muslims, etc.. etc..
The problem is exacerbated by media who keeps issues in the spotlights, occasionally even inventing them. This is one of many ways that the powerful remain in power.. by making us bicker with each other.
If you doubt that discrimination is universal then visit a place like Saudi Arabia carrying a Bible and wearing a cross. Go to Harlem, Detroit, Compton, etc.. if you are white. Tell just about anyone that you are Jewish if you are. That we make a big deal of these differences 2,500 years after we should know better is a different issue (referring to Plato's "The Republic").
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
[...]that appeared to show members of the members Sigma Alpha Epsilon[...]
[...]which purports to show students to show students engaging in[...]
Is this a reading test or an eye test? I passed with double vision.
I can remember when editors really edited; men were real men; and girls on the internet were all FBI agents. Now, apparently, editors are incompetent, and the FBI is the internet.
because job training programs cost money and are SOSHALISM
Just from what's in the another post I read, I'd say that they were not "merely" racist, but threatening. I mean, that is the South, home to the KKK that murdered a hell of a lot for the "crime" of being black. That makes them dangerous.
And, of course, it's the kind of crap I'd expect from the majority of Greeks - classiism, racism, you-have-to-be-worth-money-to-get-in.... They've never had much of a rep beyond party, drinking, etc, and this goes back to my first time in college, long before most of you were born.
I see no reason to make Greeks part of the official college landscape. Most of 'em have nothing to do with actual learning... which is, allegedly, what you're paying that money for.
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How is anyone supposed to take you seriously when you use terms like "lazy left" I certainly don't. But as for your argument. it might be more socially accepted for blacks to spout racist nonsense, but I'm willing to bargain that they are subject to more racism than whites are on a daily basis. Would you agree..? Yes or No. or are you just going to chant "lazy left" again.
Also, don't forget "start a fire for a man, keep him warm for the night. Set a man on fire, keep him warm for the rest of his life!"
Why are you taking offense?! He didn't say anything negative about Fox did he?
How is anyone supposed to take you seriously when you use terms like "lazy left"
Because in my experience, that sort of lazy ad hominem is most frequently practiced by people on the left of the political spectrum. The reflexive Fox! Fox! Fox! is a classic example.
I'm willing to bargain that they are subject to more racism than whites are on a daily basis
Depends on the location and the people involved. In some cases, no - absolutely not the case. But in places where it's true, videos of white idiots chanting something racist are universally held up to ridicule and condemnation in the media (including on Fox! Fox! Fox!), whereas the Sharptons of the world who go out of their way to foment that sort of crap going the other direction are rewarded with high-paying media jobs, lots of slack on their huge tax evasion, etc.
Racist rants should be universally held up for shame, but the media - especially the proudly left-leaning outlets - are absolutely duplicitous on that subject.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
Right. Because chanting "you can hang them from a tree" is more or less equivalent to calling a white person a cracker.
Note, the above is sarcasm, which usually doesn't come through on the internet.
Why are you taking offense?! He didn't say anything negative about Fox did he?
I'm not taking offense, I'm making an observation about yet another person's lazy deflection and ad hominem rhetoric used to avoid addressing the actual issues being raised.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
This also holds true for the vast majority of "African Americans."
"I'm making an observation about yet another person's lazy deflection and ad hominem rhetoric used to avoid addressing the actual issues being raised." i.e. taking offense.
This is also a university, not society at large. As such there can be different rules on speech. A black fraternity doing the same thing would not get away with it on any campus.
They vowed that African-Americans will "never" be allowed to join the campus chapter, and they stayed true to that vow by getting the chapter closed down.
Not that for a second I condone such attittudes, just saying that from a purely literalist standpoint, they certainly weren't lying.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
And this is news for nerds...how? Isn't there an SJW blog this could be posted to instead?
when all is said and done, all a man has left are his blades and his honor.
Um. Apparently not.
Please do not read this sig. Thank you.
The problem is that part of the way these sorts of organizations create their fake sense of community is by engaging recruits in something anti-social, so as to sever bonds with the larger community and leave them with only their new group as a place that will accept them. Generally this is done symbolically or at worst by a frivolous crime like trespass or graffiti-writing.
A legitimate question is whether these people were expressing their own political views (which is nonetheless their right) or merely participating in what is more or less a theatrical production. It's still offensive and demonstrating poor judgment, but only so much should be read into it.
Of course, if a fraternity is closed - no big loss.
The scariest part of this, to me, is the sheer number of people, who chose to post here anonymously...
Clearly, the fear of being prosecuted for thought-crimes is wide-spread... Among Whites.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Everybody has slaves in their ancestry.
Very very few have met any former slaves, Perhaps a very old African American met a very old former slave long ago.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
"If O.U. students are involved, this behavior will not be tolerated"
But if they aren't, then it's ok?
Black racism is "socially accepted." Some drunk white dude says the N word under his breath, and the AG, President, race-baiting Sharpton and Jackson shows up, and the entire white population is put in the same bucket as a drunk frat boy.
Blacks calling whites crackers, making fun of them in rap music, ostracizing and subjecting whites to crime in "their" neighborhoods and constantly falsely accusing whites as being racists and "the man" and keeping them down,etc.
Dude, black fatigue. Im sick of it. And I'm sick of the horrible near totality of racism blacks have for whites and nobody calls them on it. Black racism and black racketeering to milk the system AND keep the majority of blacks on the modern welfare plantation is more of a policy of those the blacks vote for and their own broken fatherless homes and broken crime-ridden graffiti-ridden communities than anything whites do.
Blacks kill more blacks by far than whites.
You're a fool.
When any black person can make a phone call to the Police, give them a _description_ of a generic white person, and put innocent white lives at risk, talk me to death about the social acceptance of black racism. When enough blacks are in positions of management to deny white people opportunities because they feel that for arbitrary reasons, they just don't fit in, talk me to death about the social acceptance of black racism. When white people feel compelled to alter their natural appearance chemically or otherwise to "appear acceptable" or otherwise "make it in a corporate America", talk me to death about the acceptance of black racism.
The bottom line is despite supposedly being "equal" and ENTITLED TO "equal treatment under the law" SO SAYETH the CONSTITUTION OF THESE UNITED STATES, black survival in America is STILL largely dependent upon the comfort level whites have with them. While many whites today may not be the racists that their ancestors living A MERE GENERATION AGO were (and make no mistake there remain plenty of whites who ARE EVERY BIT the racists their ancestors were), THIS ESSENTIAL FACT is as true today as it was during SLAVERY.
>>>>Blacks kill more blacks by far than whites.
To assert that blacks kill more blacks by far than whites is meaningless and stupid due to the fact that people commit crimes where they LIVE. White people kill more of each other by far than blacks kill whites... and in China, Chinese people kill more of each other by far than whites OR blacks kill Chinese. That's the easy observation made by people who ride the short bus and watch Faux News. They're also typically the same people who claim to want a small government with a BIG MILITARY empowered to make laws governing the _social_ behavior of everyone else.
I'll say this, and say it daring anyone to challenge it:
Black people in America are amongst THE MOST PEACEFUL PEOPLE within its borders.
How can I say that? Because if white people were subjected to a TINY FRACTION of the bullsh*t they've subjected black people to OVER HUNDREDS OF YEARS AND CONTINUING TO THIS VERY DAY, they'd have burned this country to the ground a long time ago. America itself was essentially founded over a TAX DISPUTE, just imagine if the English had been forcing the colonists to work from sun-up to sun-down for free while denying them their BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS?
YET AND STILL, despite the slight, the wrong, or the indignity, BLACK PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT PEACEFUL PROTEST. Al Sharpton comes to your town to _DISCUSS_ HIS GRIEVANCES. Black people are ALWAYS talking about DEMONSTRATING PEACEFULLY... and WHY NOT? IN AMERICA, BLACK PEOPLE IMPORTED THE CONCEPT OF PEACEFUL PROTEST. They looked to Ghandi and thought: GREAT IDEA! In contrast, what happens when white people feel slighted? THEY ARE USUALLY THE FIRST TO REACH FOR THEIR GUNS, to SING THE PRAISES OF THE 2ND AMENDMENT, and to threaten violence against this government for supposedly infringing upon their freedom (mainly to be assh*les to everyon
Because sometimes teaching everyone to fish makes it really hard to fish.
Right there is an example, ladies and gentlemen, of how subsidies destroy freedom.
While it is hard to disagree with pla above, consider the following hypothetical example... Everybody is taxed at 100% — with everything they need available to them for "free" in exchange. You can not afford anything on your own, but you don't need to — because everything you could possibly want is provided to you.
Suppose, for the sake of argument, such Communist ideal is achievable in principle... Aren't you now "supported" in everything you receive? And can the government not "choose not to support" you because of your racism or any other thought-crimes?
Back to fraternities — why are they supported by colleges to begin with? Why can't students save on tuition, if they don't want to join such a group? One can be forgiven for suspecting, colleges want to hook them on subsidies so as to be able to control them later...
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Probably not a popular stance right now, but I break it out every time I see one of these sorts of issues popup.
Statistically - at least when I did a decade plus search for rape convictions after the UVA scandal - it's much more dangerous to be in a dorm room or student apartment than in a fraternity house or participate in a fraternity event. The same appears to be true for assault. It's harder to come up with numbers for alcohol poisoning and death; those are rarely disclosed except in the context of a party held by an organization, be it fraternity, sports team, or other.
That is, fraternities have a lower incident rate than the norm. These acts happen in fraternties less often than in the general student body. Not that they don't happen, but rather, that they happen less. This is not just raw numbers either, but even per-capita, and still many orders of magnitude different.
I'm guessing the same goes for racism, but I have no way to get numbers on that.
Now a days, when the threat of suspension, dissolution, or expulsion hangs over their heads for activities that would result in little more than an eye roll and a head shake if a non-organization member did it, these greek orgs are especially careful. There's their parent organization - made up of graduate members - telling them what to do or be penalized, fined, or dissolved. There's the greek council, watching everything they do, ready to cut an org out as soon as there's even the merest hint of scandal, to save themselves. There's over 40 years of tv shows and movies continually painting fraternities as the bad guys, the despicable and snooty handsome jock rich kids for our hero underdogs to fight, so they're constantly fighting an uphill battle.
That's why the parent organization dissolved that chapter even before names came out. It's zero tolerance in an apparent fight to survive.
Those of you who have not actually tried to examine fraternities, for good or ill, and only accept what talking heads state as truth won't actually realize that they're so strictly internally policed.
In fact, the only reason we're calling it a 'scandal' and it appears in the public eye is because an organization makes up a larger target than an individual. The 2006 Duke rape case was nothing, when it was a bunch of guys in a privately rented house, but when they found out that it was 'the entire duke lacrosse team had gang-raped a minority!' then it was made high-profile and public.
Make sure to treat each event like this like you should every other piece of information that comes at you. Reserve judgement, investigate, educate yourself on the context, and try not to be a bigot and generalize. These chumps might be racist jacklegs, but they're a small percentage.
... at Sigma Alpha Epsilon at University of Oklahoma.
You bitches are out.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
Maybe you should read what the constitution actually says. "Congress shall make no law..."
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
On thing is for certain: The people in the video are quite safe from charges of thought crime.
I think we can safely say there was damn little intelligent thought happening there.
This also holds true for the vast majority of "African Americans."
If they are allowed to bring ancestry and long dead relative then anyone can. Every race, ethnicity or culture was at one time enslaved by a other race, ethnicity or culture. This is true for every human being. Why does only niggers make a big deal out of it?
Clubs are held to a higher standard. The general student body can get away with a whole lot. You can go and have a racist rant out in public every day and so long as you aren't disruptive, threatening, etc then they can't do anything, they have to let you stay and if a teacher were to retaliate grade wise they could get in trouble. However clubs, like frats, have additional rules imposed on them if they wish to remain school recognized clubs. The school doesn't have to allow them, so they can choose what additional restrictions they face.
Now you are free to have a club not recognized by the campus, but then you won't be able to use campus facilities, participate in official campus events, and so on.
Right. Because chanting "you can hang them from a tree" is more or less equivalent to calling a white person a cracker.
Note, the above is sarcasm, which usually doesn't come through on the internet.
No, "you can hang them from a tree" would be closer to "kill that cracker" which is often heard. And calling a person a cracker would be equivalent to calling one a nigger. Both of which are common if you venture out of your safe racially homogeneous social circle. eg; read internet post from known niggers and you will see they are just as racist as whites.
Until peoples are actually hanged from a tree because of their race, racism is not real and only idiots make a big deal out of it. Racism is about killing peoples, not hurting feeling. Fuck off.
Kill the white people; we gonna make them hurt; kill the white
people; but buy my record first; ha, ha, ha"; "Kill d'White People";
-Apache, Apache Ain't Shit, 1993, Tommy Boy Music, Time Warner, USA.
"Niggas in the church say: kill whitey all night long.
. the white man is the devil. the CRIPS and Bloods are
soldiers I'm recruiting with no dispute; drive-by shooting on this
white genetic mutant. let's go and kill some rednecks.
Menace Clan ain't afraid. I got the 380; the homies think I'm
crazy because I shot a white baby; I said; I said; I said: kill
whitey all night long. a nigga dumping on your white ass; fuck
this rap shit, nigga, I'm gonna blast. I beat a white boy to
the motherfucking ground"; "Kill Whitey"; -Menace Clan, Da Hood,
1995, Rap-A-Lot Records, Noo Trybe Records, subsidiaries of what was
called Thorn EMI and now is called The EMI Group, United Kingdom.
"Devils fear this brand new shit. I bleed them
next time I see them. I prey on these devils. look what
it has come to; who you gonna run to when we get to mobbing.
filling his body up with lead, yah; cracker in my way; slitting, slit
his throat; watch his body shake; watch his body shake; that's how we
do it in the motherfucking [San Francisco] Bay. Sitting on the
dock of the dirty with my AK"; "Heat-featuring Jet and Spice1"; -
Paris, Unleashed, 1998, Unleashed Records, Whirling Records.
"These devils make me sick; I love to fill them full of
holes; kill them all in the daytime, broad motherfucking daylight; 12
o'clock, grab the Glock; why wait for night"; "Sweatin Bullets"; -
Brand Nubian, Everything Is Everything, 1994, Elektra Entertainment,
Warner Communications, Time Warner, USA.
"A fight, a fight, a nigger and a white, if the nigger
don't win then we all jump in. smoking all [of] America's white
boys"; -"A Fight"; Apache, Apache Ain't Shit, 1993, Tommy Boy Music,
Time Warner, USA.
"I kill a devil right now. I say kill whitey all
nightey long. I stabbed a fucking Jew with a steeple. I
would kill a cracker for nothing, just for the fuck of it.
Menace Clan kill a cracker; jack 'em even quicker. catch that
devil slipping; blow his fucking brains out"; "Fuck a Record Deal";
- Menace Clan, Da Hood, 1995, Rap-A-Lot Records, Noo Trybe Records,
subsidiaries of Thorn EMI; called The EMI Group since 1997, United
Kingdom.
"Now I'm black but black people trip 'cause white people
like me; white people like me I but don't like them. I don't
hate whites, I just gotta death wish for motherfuckers that ain't
right"; -"Race War"; Ice-T, Home Invasion, 1993, Priority Records,
Thorn EMI; now called The EMI Group, United Kingdom.
"To all my Universal Soldier's: stay at attention while
I strategize an invasion; the mission be assassination, snipers
hitting Caucasians with semi-automatic shots heard around the world;
my plot is to control the globe and hold the world hostage.
see, I got a war plan more deadlier than Hitler. lyrical
specialist, underworld terrorist. keep the unity thick like
mud. I pulling out gats , launching deadly attacks"; -"Blood
for Blood"; Killarmy, Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars, 1997, Wu-Tang
Records, Priority Records, The EMI Group, United Kingdom.
"Lead to the head of you devils"; "Lick Dem
Muthaphuckas-Remix"; -Brand Nubian, Everything Is Everything, 1994,
Elektra Entertainment, Warner Communications, Time Warner, USA.
"This will all be over in '99, so, niggas, give devils
the crime; gonna be more devils dying"; -"No Surrender"; Bone Thugs-
N-Harmony, Creepin on ah Come Up, 1994, Ruthless Records, Epic
Records, Sony Music Entertainment, Sony, Japan.
"Won't be satisfied until the devils-I see them all
dead. my brother is sending me more guns from down South.
pale face. it's all about brothers rising up, wising up, sizing
up our situation. you be fucking with my turf when you be
fucking with my race; now face your maker and ta
Firstly, very few people are seriously framing this as a crime. Much less a hate-crime. This is a strawman, pure and simple.
Secondly, a lot of the outrage is from the fact that this is a campus related organization. The idea is that these students should be held to a higher standard than "gansta rappers".
Maybe we should wait for the charges to be filed before making this argument. As for expulsion, this will depend on the university's bylaws and code of conduct. I expect these will be reviewed.
Kids of all races get expelled for much less, I'm sure.
YOU are a criminal.
YOU are a traitor.
YOU are a liar.
YOU are a propagandist.
YOU are the racist.
YOU are keeping your "people" in they place they need to be for YOU to be relavent.
YOU live off the misery you are pushing here, LIAR.
YOU are also proven WRONG by people of color who MOVE HERE without your PLANTATION PSYCHOSIS. Those people of color who emigrate here are HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL.
So racist fucking liar pig asshole satanic fucking PUKE MOTHERFUCKER, move to South Africa and finish wrecking that place, your FUCKING RACIST ass is NOT WANTED HERE ANYMORE you FUCKING LIAR.
Fucking low life LIAR DEVIL FUCK will ROT.
In other news, strictly black-only frats and sororities have all also been disbanded for being racially exclusive.
Probably; one opinion piece and a news article indicate that such organizations don't exist.
What about anti-white rap recordings?
Are they going to close the recording studios and put these filthy niggers pseudo-singers in jail?
just to try to whitewash you won blatant bigotry with a facade of "it's everyone else but me and my klan". you really shouldn't try so hard to insult everyone else, boy.
Fuck you and your bigoted attitude.
Some cunt uses racist language at me, he's getting called on it, and I don't give a flying fuck what colour his skin is.
Some sexist arsehole discriminates against me based on their perception of my gender, same fucking thing.
I haven't enslaved anybody. I haven't refused to promote anybody. I haven't been magically given a fucking ferrari and a penthouse full of hookers. I haven't had some weird fucked up privilege that everybody seems to think they deserve.
So fuck you and fuck the other bigots. Don't be a racist cunt, whatever fucking colour you are.
When white people feel compelled to alter their natural appearance chemically or otherwise to "appear acceptable" or otherwise "make it in a corporate America", talk me to death about the acceptance of black racism.
Clearly you know fuck all about being white then. You think I _want_ to wear this fucking suit, have this fucking haircut? Have you seen the shit people go through if they have a tattoo? Do you realise that every fucking woman in Manchester wears fake tan because otherwise they're too fucking white?
make no mistake there remain plenty of whites who ARE EVERY BIT the racists their ancestors were
Sadly this is true. Equally sad is how fucking racist so many non-white Amercians are too. Bigotry does not excuse bigotry.
Black people in America are amongst THE MOST PEACEFUL PEOPLE within its borders.
Crime statistics do not agree with you, even after adjusting for location.
Adjusting for wealth, possibly, and skin colour is not the determining factor, but the correlation is absolutely fucking there.
, just imagine if the English had been forcing the colonists to work from sun-up to sun-down for free while denying them their BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS?
So who has made you, your siblings, your parents or your friends work from sun-up to sun-down for free, with or without basic human rights? Just that, my ancestors were enslaved by the Romans, and then by the Vikings, and then by Barbary Pirates, and I'm not using any of that as an excuse for racism or bigotry.
BLACK PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT PEACEFUL PROTEST
You seem to be entirely disregarding entire subcultures across America. See a post above for some example song lyrics that don't seem to gel with your hypothesis.
is it black people that have a history of hanging white people by their necks from trees or white people who have a history of hanging black people by their necks from trees?
Look you racist fuck, I haven't hung anybody from a tree. Stop stereotyping based on race you bigoted twat.
(Apply that response to your other inane unnecessary bullshit examples - and do try not to pretend that this is all one-way traffic)
Black people have endured and continue to endure all of this NONSENSE and yet at their angriest, they typically want to MARCH about it. No talk about the 2nd amendment, NO talk about shooting their oppressors in the name of FREEDOM. No news-er-uh propaganda channel dedicated to spurring them on..
I fail miserably to see how this excuses racism. You are not making a valid point. You are not justifying the bigoted bullshit you're spouting.
The majority of people using social programs? White people. There are far more whites in the trailer park using food stamps than blacks in the ghetto, and far more trailer parks than ghettos.
There are far more white people than black people in America, it's hardly surprising that there are more of them in a given social strata.
Do the same comparison on a percentage population basis by race, see if you get the same results.
Even then, don't be using this to justify racism. Shit, a lot of deprived black neighbourhoods consider an attempt to get educated and break the cycle of poverty a betrayal and something to mock. Rail against that primitive attitude if you want to do something useful.
The primary beneficiary of affirmative action programs? White women. White women have benefitted far more from "the system" than all other minorities put together.
Affirmative action is discrimination and should be banned. I fucking hate it, and if you think white women gain the most from it, trust me, white men lose the fucking most from it. It's actually legal to discriminate against white men and you think black people have the problems?!
Black racism? THAT'S YOUR PROBLEM? Really? Seriously? Kill yourself.
No. I'd rather kill the racist. But save me the bother, you live in a country with a high incidence of self-inflicted firearm injuries, be my guest.
No, but you are the beneficiary of systemic racism, sexism and depending if you're openly queer or not, homo and/or transphobia.
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
Whilst I dont agree with the sentiment of these morons...There are also fraternities that happily publicise themseves as being for African Americans only, yet somehow no-one seems at all bothered by their existence.
These clowns saying black people will never join their frat is racist, but pretty much just the same shoe on the other foot.
Racism won't ever go away until we end the whole idea that any organisation can legally and more importantly, morally exist and only cater to one race (so by extension exclude others). The perceived relative social status of any race is should not ever trump racism.
Until we change our social values to make it unacceptable for single-race organsations to exist at all (no matter how well-intended they are, the racial divide is being constaly reinforced by their very existence and racism won't ever be allowed to go away.
What is wrong with this picture?
What's wrong is that judgment is being passed on a nine freakin' second video clip. Without context.
If that's reasonable grounds for judgment, then Billie Holiday must have been Grand Wizard of the Klan.
Media loves highlighting incidents of racism because they know like bugs to porch lights everyone rewards them by taking the bait.
Good plane crashes, train crashes, religious controversy, social controversy and fear... they know everyone's buttons and they constantly push them without regard for the aggregate consequences.
Some jackass made some loopy video .. so fucking what? Why is anyone bothering to report this? A lot of truly fucked up things happen all the time but you can count on mass media to milk bullshit for every last viewer its worth.
Systemic racism? That'll be why every company I work for prefers to employ people from the Indian subcontinent.
Systemic sexism? It's legal in this country to discriminate against men, the courts give men harsher sentences for the same crimes, school teachers give boys lower marks for the same work, men die younger, men work longer hours, the government spends less on male healthcare.. you want me to fucking continue or are you going to start bleating about this mythical 'male privilege' that allegedly exists?
As someone that has been bullied for being perceived as 'queer' and mocked for being trans, I can confirm that I've never seen anybody penalised by public bodies, employers or any of my friends for being anything other than straight.
So no, I haven't been the beneficiary. I've grown up in a working class family wearing second hand clothes as a constant stranger due to moving around too often, so don't be giving me any fucking privilege or systemic benefit bullshit.
"I'm making an observation about yet another person's lazy deflection and ad hominem rhetoric used to avoid addressing the actual issues being raised." i.e. taking offense.
What? You consider pointing out the truth to be "taking offense?" I supposed it's possible you may have your own personal feelings wounded by talking about the substance of the matter, but it's more likely you're using all of your projected umbrage to continue, again, to avoid actually talking about the matter at hand. Aren't you even a little embarassed?
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
If you start allowing for instances of "acceptable racism", you're not a serious person who wants to see it removed from society.
Hilarious. Really.
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I'm a white guy.
I wasn't bothered by black people when I was a kid, and I used to hang out and smoke
pot with a couple of black guys who were buddies. We never once thought about race,
only about what we could do to have fun.
As the years passed, I was robbed by blacks four different times and mugged by blacks once.
These events changed how I view black people I don't already know. If you don't like that
it's tough shit for you. If you want to try to repress my opinions, you'd better be ready for a disappointment,
because I think what I think now based on life experience. I avoid blacks now, because life experience
has taught me this is a good strategy for avoiding problems. I know that all blacks are not muggers or thieves,
but I also know that if I avoid all of them I WILL avoid the subset of blacks who ARE muggers or thieves.
Some call that prejudice, I call it foreknowledge and intelligent strategy. If you don't like that, that's YOUR
problem.
As an aside, I detest fraternities and I detest the entire Greek system in general, but that has more to
do with me detesting cliques than anything else.
"Woe is me, I, a white man, have to wear a suit and have a dumb haircut."
Clearly it is white people who are the real victims here.
Right on.
Also:
There's more white people on welfare than there are black people alive. Yet when people talk about welfare queens and lazy fucks and say that's the reason we need to cut back on welfare, they point to black people. Then these anti-welfare guys get elected, make cuts, and their own constituency suffers because guess what? Most people on welfare are in conservative areas. Most people on welfare are white, and even in percentage terms, blacks beat them by just a couple percentage points.
Yup, those fools in Norman sure did have the weight of the entire system behind them!
As another queer trans white person - you're totally and completely wrong.
I'm not sure how you think that your anecdotal experience with lack of discrimination for being queer invalidates centuries of racism and oppression, but you need to stay in your lane. Don't talk about shit you don't know about - you're an embarrassment.
No but they pay money for people to say it on stage and call it entertainment.
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howitzer, a VIOLENT name,
You fucking racist liar propagandist identity politics fucking asshole puke motherfucker traitor pig. You Goebbels. you BERNAYS. You LIAR.
The per capita statistics on Black born in the USA. The sub-culture is so toxic your IQs drop from normal to 85 by age 18. your toxic fatherless shit households have THE WORST per capita rates of violence, crime, incarceration, disease, lack of education, welfare, food stamps and EBT abuse.
You liar Sharpton fucking plantation masters make you believe that whitey is abusing.
ARE YOU TO BELIEVE BLACKS THAT YOU NEED WHITE HELP? You shouldnt listen to these fucking race baiting assholes, watch emigrants from Africa and Jamaica who are black KICK YOUR ASS at working and wealth building. YOU CAN DO IT TOO, Blacks, dont listen to FUCK ASSHOLE SHITSTAIN fuckers like howitzer86, the fucking puke liar.
All who race bait are the lowest fucking scum shits.
Black racism has gotten out of control. All of it needs to stop. This is a side effect of the scum who use identity politics to keep the ethnic groups on the plantation.
FUCK YOU, howitzer LIAR FUCK LIAR ASSHOLE SHIT.
No, when you fucking cretin ingrate motherfucking asshole shitstains like you TAKE HALF MY PAY IN TAXES, SUBJECT me to AMT taxation, and then live off of me with your EBT fucking cards
and then
you foul pricks are racist asshole motherfuckers and then while I WORK, you sit there and give me shit ?
FUCK YOU ANIMAL!
You sick NAMBLA hepatitis diseased asshole with a fucking mental disorder.
We tolerate you, your fucking diseased bodily fluids, your use of our clean toilets, your fucking flaming gay asshole lisps, your light in the fucking loafers shit, your undeserved promotions or you'll start a rainbow march on HR if we don't kowtow to your fucking mental disorder faggotry.
We tolerate you but because YOU and YOUR FUCKING KIND are SUCH FUCKED UP ASSHOLES who like SHIT ON THEIR DICKS and you wont SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT IT and you try to TEACH KIDS ABOUT YOUR FUCKING SHIT - we TOLERATE you, fucking slime, we TOLERATE you,
Be we god-damned HATE you. Fucking weirdo mental fucking shit dick diseased fucking asshole.
Go fuck a man or fist a hole or eat shit or do whatever you fucks do, just leave the kids out of it.
But you cant,your TWINK PORN proves the NABMLA fucking scum you really are.
Most murderous serial killing predators are NAMBLA faggots that rap and murder boys. Fucking sick pig faggot.
Sigh. Almost predictably, news outlets such as https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPPUXpFYwjE criticize these people for saying the "horrible N word" but gloss right over the "hang them from a tree" part. It is like saying a word is more offensive than murder. In what world does that make sense?
There are humans, including those of color. Then animals. Then sub-niggers like you. You fucking racist sub-nigger assholes drudge up race and think about it all the time. We tolerate your shit. We tolerate your criminality. We tolerate what you did to south africa, where a prosperous country with a race problem turned into a third world crime ridden sub-hell hole with a horrific race problem. All sub-niggers are the same. I think the human gene is missing in some people of color. It is epigenetic , and if the human genes are no expressed properly you get a sub-nigger manifestation. This sub-nigger gene expression is not limited to black skin, but it is hereditary. Sub niggers like yourself inject race and sing songs of hate and destroy society and your own families. You lie. You scum. You are the worst most pathetic liars ever. I wouldnt trade places with you even if you had 100million in the bank,I am so happy that my kids and I are no sub niggers.
You serve satan when you inject race all the time sub-nigger. Spit on you sub-nigger.
LOL. It is a severe handicap. I'd rather be born white than black, wouldn't you? Until that is not true I think there is a big advantage to being white. Similarly there is a pretty significant advantage to being male in my tech field. Meh, I get these advantages but still can admit it, and work to level the field when I can. However to deny these is stupid or think that "n** are making a big deal of it."
Old fashioned racist you are.
College is supposed to be a place where all viewpoints and ideas are explored - even the ugly and stupid ones.
Since when did cat calls from the frat house become an intellectually rigorous exploration of ideas good and bad?
By kicking out the frat charter, you only drive the problem deeper underground... and where is the frickin' benefit in doing that among a body of kids that are going to be naturally rebellious in the first place?
More naturally conformist than rebellious would be closer to the truth.
The geek conflates freedom of speech with anonymity and freedom from all restraints. But the roots of a traditional liberal arts education have always been openness, inclusion and civility.
You stand your ground and you stand exposed.
No hiding behind the bed sheets of the KKK, the screen name or the keyboard. It takes guts to do that. The kind that were celebrated in Selma this past week.
It's not racism because when a black person calls you names to hurt your feelings, they also don't have the weight of systemic racial biases behind it. They call you names and that's it.
YOU'RE DAMN RIGHT IT'S RACISM, you fucking apologist cunt.
I'm fucking sick of spineless fucks like you working hard to ensure no black person is ever culpable of racism. After all, 'racist' is a term only ever applied to whities.
Check your required viewing materials, you will find, 'revenge of the nerds' at the top of the list. We are an oppressed minority who will always be marginalized by society and disrespected as a group.
that was irony in case you missed it....
HA! I just wasted some of your bandwidth with a frivolous sig!
LOL. It is a severe handicap. I'd rather be born white than black, wouldn't you?
In a white country I guess. If i had to live in a black country it would be helpful to be black. It is so much easier to live in asia when being asian too.
Immigration is hard for everyone. Granted that in the case of the USA, some of that black immigration were forced on them. But now they are free to go to Liberia
. Most refused when that was offered them them in 1820. They chosen what you described as 'oppression' because real oppression in Liberia is worst and actually real.
Racism is hanging some nigger on a tree because of his race. Until this happen, I will consider racism against black peoples in america to be a lie.
As Morgan Freeman said; "Black history is American history" and on how to end racism "Stop talking about it."
You, and all the other artificially over-sensitive liberals, are perpetuating the idea of racism because it is damn convenient to win elections. Divide and conquer. Divide the populace by race and you can stay in power.
> 1) the first amendment only prevents the government from slapping you down. This was a slapdown by a private entity.
University of Oklahoma sounds like a state university to me. If it's private, then I'm wrong, but I don't think state-run universities can punish people for bad speech, as that would be a First Amendment violation and state governments are bound by equal protection. They don't get to pick some speech they approve of and some they disapprove of.
Also, it does protect you from government-imposed consequences. What it doesn't protect you from is people publishing videos of what a racist jerk you are and protesting. So they do look like racist jerks to me, but I don't think a government entity can or should go around punishing them for that.
You and I, however, are perfectly free to communicate to any and everyone what racist assholes these people are and such, though.
whatever ideologies the powers that be are against, I am for. Whatever ideologies they are for, I am against. The powers that be think that mass immigration/multiculturalism are the absolute best thing on earth. I am therefore against those ideologies. The powers that be think that white racial consciousness/pride is the Ultimate Evil. I am therefore proud of being white.
why is this crap on slashdot
Have you seen the shit people go through if they have a tattoo?
what, do they get treated like minorities?
The IRS is the one organization that you don't want to fuck with. Remember, these are the guys who took down Al Capone.
Horseshit. Let me introduce you to the dictionary: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism
Yes, but--If it looks like a fox, walks like a fox, and barks like a fox... It's not at all unreasonable to conclude that we're talking about a fox.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
Your first "example" is actually lifted from a parody originally performed by Eddie Murphy on Saturday Night Live in 1982. I saw it the first time it ran.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
Seriously, I can't think of any good / lasting ones that are at all like that. Except maybe I guess DMX.
And that guy's funny to laugh at.
Which is another way to STILL skip talking about the actual subject matter. Fox! Fox! Fox! Anything but the topic at hand! Fox! FOX FOX FOX!
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Can we close the inner city if we catch some black dude making an anti-cracker commentary? No of coarse not.
I'm not homosexual, and I don't use the term queer - the ignorant fucks bullying me did.
I'm sure that prejudice and discrimination are out there but I've still never seen anti-lgbt policies at any company, or government organisation. I have seen sexist anti-male ones but no racist ones.
You know why? Because this society doesn't tolerate bigotry (except sadly feminist misandry) and although there are idiots everywhere they come in all races, genders and gender preferences. Nobody gets a free ride through life so stop being a previous snowflake and don't accept bigotry where it still exists - no matter who it's from.
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The GOP (other than small enclaves such as frat houses) is demographically doomed. Much like Fox News, their largest core group is rapidly graying and not being replaced at a high enough rate. In the long run even abject, rapacious greed isn't enough to keep them as a viable party. But they are not going quietly, screaming racist and misogynist epithets as they rapidly slide into oblivion.
"It's not racism because when a black person calls you names to hurt your feelings"
Bullshit. It's socially accepted racism.
blindly antisocialist = antisocial
Know how I know you're racist?
Seriously, the amount of prejudice in your own views, that you don't even see, is shocking.
Yet that is how most racism is these days.
Most racism isn't the "crazy offensive Uncle" variety, out in the open, easy to see.
It's in attitudes like yours, in language that's so coded people have lost sight of the inherent bigotry it contains.
"When enough blacks are in positions of management to deny white people opportunities because they feel that for arbitrary reasons, they just don't fit in, talk me to death about the social acceptance of black racism"
Have a look at most of the films that are for black people and by black people and have at most the token white in them.
Justice? Fair?
Whatever - it's still racism.
blindly antisocialist = antisocial
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_words
Fighting words are written or spoken words, generally expressed to incite hatred or violence from their target. Specific definitions, freedoms, and limitations of fighting words vary by jurisdiction. It is also used in a general sense of words that when uttered tend to create (deliberately or not) a verbal or physical confrontation by their mere usage.
See also Abu Hamsa (only talked about how Muslims should kill all Americans), Edward Snowden and Wikileaks.
As a millenial I dont find racism offensive, I find it contemptuous.
As a 25-year-old who can spell, that's where I stopped reading your comment.
Since the university is a private run entity. It gets government money, but it gets private money too. Just as every single corporation gets government aid as well as private money.
Do you demand that companies be held to the same restrictions and FOIAs as government? No? Then you can't call for the university to do so.
Also, look at what you did to Abu Hamsa for HIS speech. In a foreign country.
Yeah, that is a valid response.... /sarc
What an idiot. Parent was a fairly cogent counter-rant to an unhinged, full-on racist rant. Point-by-point no less. And your comeback is that weak? Idiots like you are why it is impossible to have an intelligent conversation about anything with a political dimension, such as racism. You appear to have learned your debating skills from Rachel Maddow and Rush Limbaugh. Hint: A smug look and a snarky comment are not an argument.
If you want it to be disallowed to require you to give up your first amendment right by government fiat, then I should be allowed to take welfare and refuse a job that requires me to give away my first amendment right without losing my payments to punish me for not giving up my right.
nobody in my family was ever property.
If your family is descended from Europe, which is probably is. And wasn't Roman then you can all but guarantee that at some point in time some member or members of your family were property. Slavery wasn't invented for blacks and it certainly isn't gone from this world.
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Why does only niggers make a big deal out of it?
Same reason only Jews make such deal about genocide. As bad as the holocaust was it wasn't the most recent, most deadly, or most brutal or most anything, maybe have a crack at most efficient but attempted genocide has happened many, many times in the past, is still going on right now in parts of the world and no doubt will be attempted again by one group or another. Yet we'll still have holocaust memorial day.
Black racism? THAT'S YOUR PROBLEM? Really? Seriously? Kill yourself.
Ohhhhhh, so close.
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I have prejudice in my views. Hopefully less in my actions.
Where I consciously notice it, I challenge myself. I'm not really sensing it in what I wrote though, sorry.
I'm also arguing very strongly that racism is bad, and don't do it, and definitely don't be ironic and pretend that racism is ok if you're a certain race, because that's both ignorant and bigoted.
Maybe that's something on which we can agree?
Whites account for approximately 75% of the American population and receive roughly 37% of all welfare funding. Blacks are roughly 15% of the population and receive roughly 35%. That doesn't exactly support your point. Feel free to look it up.
Google "map shows most racist people on earth";
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Casteism
Parent was a self-pitying white person who's upset that they have to wear a suit and have a dumb haircut in order to be taken seriously at their cushy well-paying job (because, honestly, who else wears a suit?). Also, some ladies wear fake tans because being as white as a ghost isn't the most attractive thing ever. I mean it's because of anti-white racism I guess??
The rest of their "fairly cogent counter-rant" was "but not ALL whites," "*I* never lynched a black person, therefore racism don't real," and "Black people are just primitive but I'm not racist for saying that."
Like. That's pretty dang racist, and they aren't gonna magically flip their worldview by talking to me on Slashdot. They don't deserve anything better than a smug look and a snarky comment.
It isn't sexist that we die earlier, since we have the legal and social right to live as long as we can. It isn't sexism that women can't pee while standing up without using some sort of appliance either (and without getting their legs wet).
It is not in general legal to discriminate against men; perhaps you should provide examples.
I don't know about the harsher sentences; could you give references? It strikes me as a very difficult thing to measure. (There is a great reluctance to go after women who rape men, but that's a lot less common than the reverse.)
School teachers may give boys lower marks, but they don't call on girls as often (and I've seen better sources for the latter than the former).
Men earn more than women, and the reason I've seen most often given is that men work more than women. Given that, I'd expect men in general to work more hours than women in general. It's also much more common to have a stay-at-home wife than a stay-at-home husband.
Why does the government spend more on female healthcare? Could it be that Medicare is the biggest government medical program, it spends a lot on old people, and there are more old women than old men? Or that Medicaid supports families with children more than not, and the man is much more likely to ditch the kids than the woman is? My impression is that specifically female medical problems have been rather neglected by medical research (breast cancer is an exception, perhaps because there are boobs involved), so if there's more funding going to them that may be catch-up. Without knowing where your numbers come from and mean, it's difficult to judge them.
I have seen people bullied for perceived sexual orientation, and at least protected by government institutions. A nearby school district (in Anoka County, Minnesota) wound up having eight suicides in a year, largely because of anti-gay messages protected and to some extent encouraged by the school system. I know a gay person who was in that school district when this was going on, and it was really ugly. I have also known same-sex couples who wanted the legal benefits of marriage with their lifelong loves, and only recently have they gotten it.
Statistically speaking, you are a beneficiary, having avoided a lot of hassles and problems by being the right sex and sexual orientation, and perhaps the right skin color.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
I'd probably walk out and ask for my money back if a comic started being racist rather than funny. (It's a possibility; some of the warmup acts at the comedy club I frequent are barely funny, but they're not offensive to somebody who doesn't mind vulgar language that much.) I don't know that I'd get my money back, but there's a good chance. In any case, that's a private matter, just like the national frat pulling their franchise or whatever.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
I was referring to UK law and society, where the harsher sentencing, teacher bias and legal discrimination against men are well established.
Bullying may be more of an issue in the US, and there are religious oriented schools in the UK that actively discriminate against women/girls and homosexual boys, but they're outliers and taken under Government control if they don't stop.
Statistically speaking though, no, I'm not a beneficiary. Shit, I've been assaulted three times in the last four months by women, with no action taken against them. Sure, I could put any of them into hospital with ease but the bystanders laughing at them attacking me would stop laughing if I defended myself..
Lower life expectancy is a gender politics issue btw - until women work the same hours as men, in jobs as physically arduous and dangerous, retire at the same age and don't get the choice of skipping a few years work to look after the kids, life expectancy wont equalise. The gap has however started to narrow, as women that did work through their careers become more common amongst the pensioners.
Because, Lord knows, there's no possible explanation as to why black people might act a bit hostile toward the people that enslaved them for a few hundred years. It's inconceivable!
I don't know about the harsher sentences; could you give references? It strikes me as a very difficult thing to measure.
A quick search led to this study.
(There is a great reluctance to go after women who rape men, but that's a lot less common than the reverse.)
Why the "but"? What does it matter how common a crime is? Are we not equal before the law? Is rape not a crime? Why should there be "reluctance" to persecute someone for committing a crime over the gender of the suspect/defendant?
School teachers may give boys lower marks, but they don't call on girls as often
So you're saying girls are getting better grades not because they earned it through their own merit, but only because the teachers, who are mostly women, don't discriminate against them as much?
My impression is that specifically female medical problems have been rather neglected by medical research (breast cancer is an exception, perhaps because there are boobs involved), so if there's more funding going to them that may be catch-up. Without knowing where your numbers come from and mean, it's difficult to judge them.
You say it's difficult to judge, but you're already judging before you even see the numbers ."Your impression" is that he is wrong, that there are reasons to explain the disparity.
Why won't you believe a man? We're told by feminists time and again to just believe a woman when she protests about misogyny. Why the different standard and expectation of rigor if it's a man complaining about men's issues?
Yet we'll still have holocaust memorial day.
And yet we didn't stop having genocides ever since. Holocaust memorial is a scam, it claim monopoly on human suffering and cause us to ignore actual real genocide that happen now and that we can prevent.
The only way to prevent current genocide is by denying the holocaust. Giving them all the attention they demand is too much distraction.
I do not deny the holocaust because I don't believe it, but because I need to.
All of those Scots tossing cabers around my state every year says otherwise, cracka.
Your argument is still wrong. You say there's no limitation in the constitution and then follow it right up with a limitation. You even claimed to have read the thing and didn't find hate speech. Well, I can't seem to find the part about "imminent danger". There are no qualifiers in the first. Everything is ok if you read it literally. Interpretation is up to the court and can be changed at any time.
OMG. Maybe, just MAYBE, AC, if you spent more time studying in school instead of beating up fags, you could make a coherent argument and would know why just about everything you claim to be truth is utterly WRONG.
Yes, the national frat is private business. The University is not private business; it is a state school.
I consider pointing out the truth of you being offended precisely that... Sorry you disagree, but you are the one ranting.
>In a white country I guess. If i had to live in a black country it would be helpful to be black. It is so much easier to live in asia when being asian too.
Generally not. Read "Big in Japan" - it is very often helpful to do business in Africa and Asia as a white man - you are viewed as an outsider, yes, but more wealthy and in most ways more trustworthy (generally in Africa this is true too). Denial of our advantage is always puzzling to me, like it undermines legitimacy or something. I'm very happy to not be a USA minority, and very happy to be a man. I see discrimination against women all the time, try to stop it when I can, but I don't poke my head in the sand about these things.
I am no lawyer and not racist. I have a business and put surveillance cameras in that can record audio. In my state that is a violation of wiretap laws to record audio. You don't need to be going around recording audio here. If they do say something bad it isn't allowed in court but you can be charged. Just a curiousity.
So? If this is not admissible in a court is everything else much ado about nothing?
You ve never BEEN around Africans? They spend their WHOLE, TIME, reveling in THEIR RACE and ACTING, THEIR, STUPID, SPECIES. It is not race, we are TWO DIFFERENT SPECIES. We ve determined speciation in animals for less severe differences, but we go to the BIOCHEMISTRY AND GENETICS OF IT and differences in molecules ARE SO WIDE we do not even need F distributions, the difference can be ASSESSED BY INSPECTION. We have the right to select OUR people, don't we? IT is one of the fundamental freedoms, freedom of association. Do you want to speak mumble jumble? Do you want to spend your time defining HOUSE and calling LAW AND POLICE and calling everything SHIT and WASTE or delivering free messages to ANYONE AROUND as if friends? Those traits are very OBVIOUS... Thanks an old BABOON looking cretin in another century before telecommunications that we have to suffer those big bugs and all their excrement looks.
"If you start allowing for instances of "acceptable racism", you're not a serious person who wants to see it removed from society." You mean like white officers being frequently overly violent against blacks. That kind of "acceptable racism"... the pendulum swings two ways.
Because in my experience, that sort of lazy ad hominem is most frequently practiced by people on the left of the political spectrum. The reflexive Fox! Fox! Fox! is a classic example.
...and yet "lazy left" isn't a frequently practiced ad hominem in your world? In other words "lazy left" == "Fox! Fox! Fox!"
Racist rants should be universally held up for shame, but the media - especially the proudly left-leaning outlets - are absolutely duplicitous on that subject.
Are you honestly trying to tell me that if a group of blacks was chanting overtly racist remarks they wouldn't be called on it by whites? but then I suppose things like "black lives matter" is probably racist chanting in your world.
Actually, while that example wasn't great, he makes many valid points, such as calling the parent on his blatant racism.
If you ignore ACs because they are anonymous - you're an idiot.