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Does USB Type C Herald the End of Apple's Proprietary Connectors?

An anonymous reader writes The Verge has an interesting editorial about the USB Type C connector on the new Macbook, and what this might mean for Apple's Lightning and Thunderbolt connectors. The former is functionally identical to USB Type C, and the latter has yet to prove popular in the external media and "docking" applications for which it was originally intended. Will Apple phase out these ports in favour of a single, widely-accepted, but novel standard? Or do we face a dystopian future where Apple sells cords with USB Type C on one end, and Lightning on the other?

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  1. Thunderbolt by adamstew · · Score: 5, Informative

    Thunderbolt is not a proprietary connector to Apple. It is a standard that Intel has made available and i've seen non-Apple computers with Thunderbolt.

    1. Re:Thunderbolt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Shut up! We're trying to bash Apple here!

    2. Re:Thunderbolt by Guspaz · · Score: 5, Informative

      And USB 3 does not do everything I use Thunderbolt for on my Mac, including ferry USB3 over the same wire as video.

      USB-C is in fact USB 3.1, and it very much does ferry USB and video over the same wire. VESA has standardized DisplayPort over USB-C. VESA's press release can be found here: http://www.vesa.org/news/vesa-... or AnandTech had a good article here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/...

      and plug in my laptop with single cable and instantly my displays, USB3 devices, audio and networking all work ...

      USB 3.1 has the same bandwidth as Thunderbolt 1 (10Gbps), there's no reason why a USB-C dock couldn't do all that, and be much cheaper than a Thunderbolt dock in the process.

      USB-C also supports far more power delivery than Thunderbolt. Normal devices get up to 15W (Thunderbolt does ~10W), or devices can draw up to 100W if they implement v2 of the power delivery spec.

    3. Re:Thunderbolt by Guspaz · · Score: 5, Informative

      USB 3.1's alt mode does not encapsulate anything, nor does it use USB signalling. It dynamically gives one, two, or four of the high-speed lanes over to the alternate protocol, letting that protocol use it's own signalling. As such, a USB-C connector and cable can support full-bandwidth DisplayPort 1.3, with all features, while still carrying USB power and USB 2.0 (since those are always reserved). In practice, you're unlikely to need more than two lanes, because that's enough to deliver 4K at 60Hz, and you still get half of the USB 3.1 bandwidth (plus USB 2 and power).

  2. Depends where's the money by hyperar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They would do whatever makes them more money, is there any doubt about that?

  3. Could be. by Qbertino · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Since Steve Jobs came back Apple has only introduced proprietary connectors when there was a really good reason for them to do so. Lightning was introduced because Micro USB was considered sub-par by Apple. And let's face it: There is some truth to that. Lightning is sturdier, easyer to handle, has more data throughput and IIRC more relyable electrical specs. Say about Apple what you want, but unlike quite a few other tech companies they actually know what they are doing and why and they don't short-change hardware design decisions. Their market evaluation seems to prove them right.

    In a nutshell: If Apple decides that USB C is worthwhile and offers upsides vis-a-vis lightning, it could be that this actually is the case, and Lightning actually is on the way out.

    As for Thunderbolt: Unlike what quite a few tech experts think, it is *not* an Apple specific spec, but a standardised port. It's only that Apple likes to use it more than any other vendor.

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  4. USB C still inherently fragile by caseih · · Score: 5, Interesting

    USB C still has that ridiculous plastic tab inside the female port that can break quite easily if you trip on the cable. Plus in a pocket it can fill with lint and prevent the cable from seating securely.
    Thankfully USB C is reversible (finally!) but compared to the proprietary Apple connector, it still is inferior in my opinion.

  5. Re:In contrast to DockPort by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For some reason, your post implies you think Thunderbolt does not supply power to its devices. This is simply not true.

    Even if the specification did not provide power in and of itself, its use of the PCI-E bus does require it to provide power over its lanes. In fact, one of the advantages of Thunderbolt when it first came out was providing twice as much power as the fastest USB at the time. Thunderbolt 2 provide at least double that amount of power when it was released.

    Thunderbolt is not a standard like Dockport, which requires you to use a display port to USB adapter to access USB devices, as it was never inteded for strictly that purpose. Thunderbolt was created to bypass the need for the USB middle man, and provide direct access to the PCI-E bus for devices that could benefit from it, such as arrays of disks, analog video feeds, and other prosumer/business logic.

    A big thing USB 3.1 is touting is the ability to tie two SSDs together in a RAID 0 configuration and not max out its bandwidth. But it will at three SSDs. Thunderbolt could already handle 3 of these in its first spec, and can handle more in the 2.0 version. Not to mention 3.0 which is still in the works.

    That is what Thunderbolt is intended for.

  6. Losing the MagSafe charging connector? Arrrrrgh by presidenteloco · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That is a severely regressive design move.
    This computer should have retained magsafe for charging then had one of these USB-C things for, you know, port stuff.

    My current MBP would have been knocked from table/chair to floor ten times now if not for magsafe. What the hell were they thinking?

    I can only hope the next ultralight MB Pro retains magsafe and a couple of ports.

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