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Swatch Co-Inventor Predicts Apple Will Bring an 'Ice Age' To Swiss Watch Market

MojoKid writes It seems that these days everything Apple touches turns to gold, hence why the company was able to post an $18 billion profit for its fiscal first quarter of 2015. Be that as it may, can Apple popularize the smartwatch market as others have been unable to do so far? Not only is that the expectation, but according to Swatch watch co-inventor Elmar Mock, Apple is going to bring about an "Ice Age" to the Swiss watch market. Elmar noted that he expects the Apple Watch to quickly reach sales of 20 million to 30 million units per year. For the sake of comparison, Switzerland exported 28.6 million watches in 2014, none of them with smart capabilities. "Apple will succeed quickly. It will put a lot of pressure on the traditional watch industry and jobs in Switzerland...I do expect an Ice Age coming toward us," Elmar said. Analysts for Barclays noted to investors that the Apple Watch launch could result in a 6 percent annual decline in Swatch Group AG's revenue. To keep up with the times and fend off Apple, there are at least three Swiss watch companies planning to make smartwatches, including Swatch Group, which will unveil a smart model sometime this year.

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  1. $30 Timex by msobkow · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My $30 Timex tells me the time just fine.

    While the idea of a "wrist communicator" sounds almost as cool as a Star Trek chest badge, I just can't see spending hundreds of dollars on such a thing when I don't even own a "smart phone" because I rarely leave the house. Quite frankly, I don't see the point of devices that have to be tethered to a smart phone, because that means you still have a pocket full of phone to bend or break.

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    1. Re:$30 Timex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      because I rarely leave the house

      Yea I don't think you're the norm, or even remotely relevant. Most people aren't shut-ins.

    2. Re:$30 Timex by aralin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How is your comment relevant to any discussion about Apple Watch? Let me paraphrase what you've said: "I'm unique in this very special way and in my particular case, the product would not make sense. So why would anyone buy it?"

      This seems to be a meme on Slashdot. Markets are not about the exception cases, the long tail is what handles exceptions. Market is often about the most common case. If you were a target audience for the watch and it would not work for you for some legitimate reason, that would be newsworthy to hear about. But what you said is irrelevant to most of us who are not exceptional in your own special way.

      I have not worn watch in 30 years and I will buy this one. Not because I need to know time, I don't. Not even because I need a status symbol. I don't. Simply because there are so few fun toys to play with lately. You know, gadgets... for geeks. And like most geeks, I've got more money than I could spend with nothing worthwhile to spend it on. So why not? Plus maybe it will be cool, maybe it will improve my life in some way, it is worth the money to try. But yeah, the last thing I need it is to tell time. Seriously, I am well aware of the time without a watch and at times I forget and need to be made aware of the time, my phone reminds me.

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    3. Re:$30 Timex by rogoshen1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      or maybe the dude just realizes that the signal to noise ratio in your 'always connected 24/7' world leans heavily in the direction of pointless trivia.. and has more interesting things to be concerned with?

    4. Re:$30 Timex by msobkow · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or maybe Mr. CowHARD will actually read my Crackbook profile and let the cat out of the bag that I'm a medical cannabis user, as if that's supposed to embarass me any more than a photo I made public does.

      LOL. Kids these days.

      They have no idea what freedom there comes from "getting old." 99.99% of people my age and older look like they've been run over by a truck. It's called "age".

      Not to worry, though. Mr. CowHARD will learn what it is to be "old" soon enough. :D

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    5. Re:$30 Timex by Insightfill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I do not use a watch anymore since I have a phone that tells me the time.

      I eventually got a regular watch when I realized that every time I reached to my phone in my pocket to check the time was one more time I'd probably drop the phone. The watch SAVES me money over time. Also: visibly checking your phone when you're with someone usually tells them you're bored, while a quick glance at a watch isn't as bad. Finally: when you check a watch, you're done right away, while checking your phone for the time can often lead to an endless cycle of checking email, text messages, Facebook, whatever; you can lose a lot of time that way.

      I was debating getting the F-91W, just for the nostalgia of it (and the Amazon reviews are pretty funny), but ended up finding the MQ-24-1(Black) and MQ24-1E instead. They look decent as well, and take a beating.

  2. Is there really that much involved besides looks? by nomel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I can't imagine the differences in any Swatch watches from the past 15 years is anything but external. I imagine they're mostly a watch face theme company, if not, then engineering was failing. But, external design isn't going to go completely away, unless they make ugly rectangles with ugly bands like all of the current smart watches (besides the Motorola 360). These first gen smart watches *can't* be as good as it gets. Put micro batteries in the bands and blow everyone away in terms of thickness. Add functionality to the bands (would love control on the band (swipe or whatever) in addition screen since my finger isn't transparent). I'd prefer a much smaller screen than what's available.

  3. Re:This ex-Swatch guy doesn't have a clue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Apple watch presents no threat to such Swiss watches, any more than a Tesla car presents a threat to Porsche.

    And back in 2007 you'd be telling us the iPhone would present no threat to BlackBerry. And before that you'd have told us that the iPod would pose no threat to other mp3 players. The sheer amount of fault predictions that Slashdot nerds have made about Apple are hilarious.

  4. Re:This ex-Swatch guy doesn't have a clue by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can't understand the fuss, since the iWatch and a Swiss watch are two different markets. It's equivalent to saying the new Nikes will kill Louboutin's couture high heel market because sneakers are lighter and more practical. Or TV dinners will destroy the three hat restaurant scene because food is now easier and more convenient I know a few people with expensive watches ($10k+) These people are not interested in flavour of the day gadgets, they prefer hand made shirts, and shoes, and fine dining, and associate with brands that are conservative, exclusive and stand the test of time. None which Apple qualify for.

  5. Re:This ex-Swatch guy doesn't have a clue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Except no one will buy that watch. Why would you buy a disposable 18k gold watch?

    If you buy an expensive watch you're buying the skill and craftsmanship of the watchmaker. You're buying something that will stand the test of time and pass down to generations. While i'm not a huge watch guy I have a very nice watch that was my great-grandfather's and has been passed down for several generations and it still works well.

    Who's going to buy a $10,000 18k gold Apple Watch that will be obsolete in 6 months? There are no nice pieces, no craftsmanship; you're paying $10,000 for a disposable gold watch made by Chinese peons instead of a quality timepiece made by a master craftsman. There's a huge difference.

  6. And the Swiss Franc by BBCWatcher · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The recent strength of the Swiss Franc isn't helping Swiss watchmakers export more of their products. Granted, currency isn't helping Apple either, but Apple has tremendously more pricing flexibility than the entire Swiss watch industry.

  7. Re:This ex-Swatch guy doesn't have a clue by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah and back in 1991 you were probably telling us Apple could never fail at anything ever. Keep riding the hype wave, everyone knows they always last forever...

  8. Re:This ex-Swatch guy doesn't have a clue by Camembert · · Score: 3, Insightful

    fyi the Swatch group has many luxury brands like Omega, Breguet, Rado, etc.
    I'd expect him to have more of a clue than most of the posters on /.

  9. Re:This ex-Swatch guy doesn't have a clue by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Your fatal assumption is assuming the word "Swiss" or the company name "Swatch" means that it is high-end. I guarantee you that the Swiss do not sell 30million Rolex equivalent watches every year.

    The reality is Swiss watches encompass a wide range of companies with a wide range range of styles and price ranges. My girlfriend has a "Swiss" watch. It cost $130. Made in Switzerland. The Swatch group's own main brand "Swatch" is also a very low-end company making watches that range from kids toys (I had a $60 swatch when I was younger). I mean even the company name "Swatch" came from the idea of owning a "second-watch" that was cheap and fun and you could bash it around and wear it while doing the gardening etc, and they are not the only cheap watch manufacturer in Switzerland.

    Swatch nowadays is a group that owns about 15 brands which sell watches for well under $1000. They do also own really high-end brands like Omega.

  10. Re:This ex-Swatch guy doesn't have a clue by unimacs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In 2007 there was a 4Gig iPhone that was $499. The $599 model was 8 Gig.

    6.1 million original iPhones were sold in spite of the shortcomings you mentioned.

    iPhone sales surpassed blackberry sales for the first time in the 4th quarter of 2008, - less than a year and 1/2 after it had been introduced. Overtaking a market leader within 18 months is pretty remarkable, especially considering Apple had never sold a phone before.

    Bill Gates recognized the threat right away. RIM didn't and has never recovered.

    I'm not sure the Apple Watch is going to have the same level of success. The smart phone solved a real problem by combining a cellphone with a PDA, and an MP3 player, - two or three devices that many people were carrying. The iPhone was a better implementation of the smart phone than what had existed at the time.

    The Smart Watch doesn't solve those kinds of problems except for perhaps people who carry fitness gadgets with them.