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Not Quite Dead: SCO Linux Suit Against IBM Stirs In Utah
An anonymous reader points to a story in the Salt Lake Tribune which says that
The nearly defunct Utah company SCO Group Inc. and IBM filed a joint report to the U.S. District Court in Salt Lake City saying that legal issues remain in the case, which was initiated in 2003 with SCO claiming damages of $5 billion against the technology giant, based in Armonk, N.Y.
That likely means that U.S. District Judge David Nuffer, who now presides over the dispute, will start moving the lawsuit — largely dormant for about four years while a related suit against Novell Inc. was adjudicated — ahead. What kind of issues? In addition to its claims of IBM misappropriation of code, SCO alleges that IBM executives and lawyers directed the company's Linux programmers to destroy source code on their computers after SCO made its allegations.
The company's other remaining claims are that IBM's actions amounted to unfair competition and interference with its contracts and business relations with other companies.
IBM has remaining claims against SCO that allege the Utah company violated contracts, copied and distributed IBM code that had been placed in Linux and that SCO created a campaign of "fear, uncertainty and doubt" about IBM's products and services because of the dispute over Unix code.
Is this "Throwback Tuesday"? I had to re-read it a few times to make sure I wasn't reading a VERY old article...
Seriously, is there no limit to this barratry-fest? Surely the judge must tire of it eventually.
Scruting the inscrutable for over 50 years.
I didn't realize that there were fjords in Utah.
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OK, that was easy, but, seriously? SCO is still... acting up? Moving? I thought that thing (and the other... er... thing) and the one before that were settled?
Like, drive a wooden stake through its heart? Bury the head and body separately? What is wrong with the world when fsck SCO is still at large?
Come on, IBM, do everyone a favor: crush them like a bug. Please. I don't know, open a Kickstarter or something, I'll send you money and you a send me a Big Blue T-Shirt with little penguins on it. Please, make it stop. Please, I beg you. Pleeeeeeaaaaaaseeeee, I can't take it anymore! It's not the suspense, it's just the sheer idiocy of it all.
The right to offend is far more important than the right not to be offended. (Rowan Atkinson)
Can't IBM just buy whatever remains of SCO for scrap and shoot it down for good ?
That would be the only GOOD thing that would come out of this action by SCO and IBM. :)
If this goes on much longer, this lawsuit will have a longer lifespan than Duke Nukem's development hell.
SCO, taking the idea of vaporware to a whole new level.
Ahhh, fond memories!
who is the sadistic ambulance chasing short fat attorney with the gin blossoms and seersucker suit thats convinced poor SCO to give this another go? Dear god man let the dead have their peace!
Good people go to bed earlier.
I hope they kept everything, SCO was going to start destroying stuff in 2013.
http://www.groklaw.net/article...
Curiosity was framed; ignorance killed the cat. -- Author unknown
We asked a gentleman by us, if he knew what cause was on? He told us Jarndyce and Jarndyce. We asked him if he knew what was doing in it? He said, really no he did not, nobody ever did; but as well as he could make out, it was over. Over for the day? we asked him. No, he said; over for good.
...
Over for good!
When we heard this unaccountable answer, we looked at one another quite lost in amazement. Could it be possible that the Will had set things right at last, and that Richard and Ada were going to be rich? It seemed too good to be true. Alas, it was!
Our suspense was short; for a break up soon took place in the crowd, and the people came streaming out looking flushed and hot, and bringing a quantity of bad air with them. Still they were all exceedingly amused, and were more like people coming out from a Farce or a Juggler than from a court of Justice. We stood aside, watching for any countenance we knew; and presently great bundles of paper began to be carried outâ"bundles in bags, bundles too large to be got into any bags, immense masses of papers of all shapes and no shapes, which the bearers staggered under, and threw down for the time being, anyhow, on the Hall pavement, while they went back to bring out more. Even these clerks were laughing. We glanced at the papers, and seeing Jarndyce and Jarndyce everywhere, asked an official-looking person who was standing in the midst of them, whether the cause was over. "Yes," he said; "it was all up with it at last!" and burst out laughing too.
"Mr. Kenge," said Allan, appearing enlightened all in a moment. "Excuse me, our time presses. Do I understand that the whole estate is found to have been absorbed in costs?"
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"And that thus the suit lapses and melts away?"
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"Probably," said Mr. Vholes.
If Slashdot were chemistry it would look like this:Cadaverine
Why not, she's already in the same camp of "people we wish to hear less from"
... but my kneejerk reaction is to find the remaining SCO layers, some strong hemp rope and a stout oak tree.
Seriously though, nothing cries out for Tort reform like this nonsense.
Somebody shoot the zombie in the head!
This post triggered me and gave me PTSD.
Maybe a laminated stake through the hear (wood & silver soaked in garlic and holy water). Then stuffed in a coffin placed in a double hulled container, the container gap is filled with holy water and garlic juice. Put into a rocket and launched into an orbit near the sun. Even then I would be willing to bet it would get out and return.
Panic now, beat the rush!
When I came here to look at the article, the ad rotated right underneath was for "New Relic".... how appropos...
somebody take a wagon load of hickory stakes and a box of silver bullets to Utah and kill that vampire once and for all !
if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
The SCO that was from Santa Cruz is currently Tarantella, now owned by Oracle (via Sun).
The SCO we all know and hate was Caldera, which was a scummy outfit even back when they were a Linux distro.
PJ's all booked up
I'm no fan of IBM, but SCO will just burn through that $5 billion and do nothing good with it. Their time is over. If they had any chance at producing a good product, they would have a long time ago. Just let them die. Sorry.
A license from SCO?
Come on dude, all that money you paid just went directly to the lawyers who now are using it to file another pathetic round of "legal actions". PLEASE just stop buying their stuff. If you need help porting your legacy application off of their platform let me know, I'm sure we can arrange to get it done for you. Not to mention that the hardware you are using has to be nearly 20 years old now... Time to let this garbage go..
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
Does anyone else see a similarity SCO and the recent Arduino drama?
PJRC: Electronic Projects, 8051 Microcontroller Tools
IBM ordered source code to be destroyed?
Just what would that even accomplish? I get the source code to the Linux kernel with every set of CDs/DVDs that I've downloaded or purchased over the years. Is SCO seriously going to argue that that source code has been magically cleansed of the code that IBM allegedly ordered purged from IBM's developers' computers? That would only make any sense if IBM offered a Linux distribution -- tweaked, I assume SCO is thinking by the code they are alleged to have stolen from SCO. (SCO thinking... ha ha ha... I crack myself up.) Wait... I've never heard of an IBM Linux.
I stopped thinking about SCO and their delusions years ago. Looks like their legal department -- and that's likely all that's left of the company now -- hasn't and is still sitting in their office dreaming up conspiracy theories. It's all they can do now. Hell, it's all they've ever had.
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I call bullshit on pretty much everything you just said. That paragraph is very long on ad hominem arguments, imputing all kinds of bad will on systemd naysayers, and completely devoid of technical arguments.
Systemd breaks systems. Period. Sure, it can be made to work after much futzing around, but even distros which have had it for a while still have breakage tied to the replacement of SysV init with systemd. (As one example, OpenSuSE 13.2's "log viewer" still tries to open the no-longer-existant /var/log/messages file.)
Your last sentence is particularly telling. "I believe that many of those who oppose systemd are in fact agents of Microsoft trying to undermine Linux and attack anything that could actually make it better." It reads like the classic technique of a culprit accusing his accusers of exactly the thing that he himself did so as to deflect criticism.
I agree: systemd has damaged Linux far worse than scox.
IMO: both systemd, and scox, stem from the same idea: companies like Linux being free, but dislike not being able to own Linux.
IMO: Red Hat, the company behind systemd, is much smarter, and is much more likely to successfully steal Linux.
Your arm must be really tired from painting with that broad brush. As for those who oppose systemd being Microsoft ``agents'', the feature usurpation being done by the systemd developers seems to show just the opposite.
But... WTF does any of this have to do with SCO and their ridiculous legal arguments rising from the dead? Again?
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Court: do you have evidence IBM stole your code?
SCOX: nope
Court: case closed.
Instead, the case drags on 13 years while scox plays "hide the ball" with evidence.
SCO's lawyers got paid in SCO stock to represent them for the duration. At this point its IBM's lawyers racking them over the coals for LOLs.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
This past week, I turned on a 400 CPU HPC cluster running CentOS 6.6 without systemd. It worked flawlessly! On my desktop with Mageia4, I made *ONE* change to the systemd and had to reinstall the rootfs. I'm a very experienced sysadmin and I can tell you, I hate systemd with a passion! Not only do I have to re-learn a bunch of crap, but it's the most inflexible, inhospitable, terse, bloated, and obnoxious system I've ever had the "pleasure" to work with. What a crash prone evil joke the distros have push on us. Thank god for Slackware and the few sane distros out there.
Furthermore most of the squabbling over systemd seems to be about the fact that some people do not like that systemd gives you more control and flexibility over the startup process.
...and after they remove all of the dependencies on systemd from all of the non-init-related packages that are using it.
You appear to have misinterpreted what "most of the squabbling" is actually about.
who if they wanted to could simply tailor Debian to use their own init system, so if they dont like systemd, why dont they just put in their own init program after they install debian?
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Why feed the troll?
-- Cheers!
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Like O.J. and and V. Putin vowing to find the "real killers."
Whoa, whoa - WHOA. They're going after Lennart Poettering?
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
Seriously? This is a real thing? Fuck the current Tort system...
Physics is nothing like religion. If it was, we'd have an easier time trying to raise money!
If it weren't for the AC my "Days since last Sarkeesian Incident" counter would still be counting, instead of writing 68 to the database and resetting to 0.
I know because I called, and asked to buy a license - twice.
I suspect that selling a license to something you don't own is seriously illegal.
Microsoft was behind it all along.
Who do you think arranged all these just-in-time multi-million dollar "loans."
For Microsoft, $100M is nothing. Less than the cost of one commercial.
A successful Linux smear campaign for $100M is a bargain.
Keep in mind that most of the remaining case is IBM suing SCO. most of the other part has gone away( but not all.).
The modding here is screwed up. The GP's comment is insightful and probably correct, yet it's at -1. Then there's the parent comment, which is obvious nonsense from top to bottom, at +1, Insightful. The unsubstantiated "agents of Microsoft" jab is particularly pathetic. Come on, /. mods. You can do better.
While he may be correct about most of the squabbling over systemd, accusing systemd detractors of being agents of Microsoft is a pretty quick and easy way to minus-one-land.
Who has won the case of SCO v. IBM? Why, IBM's lawyers, of course.
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This past week, I turned on a 400 CPU HPC cluster running CentOS 6.6 without systemd. It worked flawlessly! On my desktop with Mageia4, I made *ONE* change to the systemd and had to reinstall the rootfs. I'm a very experienced sysadmin and I can tell you, I hate systemd with a passion! Not only do I have to re-learn a bunch of crap, but it's the most inflexible, inhospitable, terse, bloated, and obnoxious system I've ever had the "pleasure" to work with. What a crash prone evil joke the distros have push on us. Thank god for Slackware and the few sane distros out there.
Why don't you tell us which change it was that made you have to reinstall the rootfs and/or point to the systemd bug report?
Almost two years after the last time I logged in and this *STILL* isn't dead?!?
I call it 'The Aristocrats'
Wait... wait... you hate Lennart so much as to pass on a Hans Reiser joke?
According to SCO's website:
Wasn't it proven that Novell owned any and all copyrights involved here? How long do you get to publicly libel someone (like everyone who uses Linux) before a judge can order you to cease and desist that idiocy?
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
Use nylon.
"The case involves SCO's claims that IBM misappropriated code from the Unix computer operating system software, owned by SCO."
NO, SCO (formerly Caldera Systems) owned a version of Unix that they bought from Novell, besides which Novell still retained rights.
Unix Tree
Yeah, where are my OffTopic moderator points when I need them...
We are the 198 proof..
Not over this matter. In this case it's quite important that IBM win.
Pick another case.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
Hundreds of years ago, both parties would choose their best man, and it wold be settled on the field of battle. No appeal. Just think about how much less corporate malfeasance there would be if CEOs and board members had to defend themselves with a broad sword.
A mystery man or woman updated the SCO timeline on Groklaw:
http://www.groklaw.net/staticp...
Unfortunately, no update of the legendary PJ comments. But the timeline shows that the judge granted partially and dismissed partially an IBM request for summary judgement in Dec. 2014.
Appeal to jurists with Pacer access: please report on SCO-IBM fight of the last two years. The case was revived (with IBM's consent) the same day Groklaw shut down.
The SCO Group (not SCO) execs have a planned stock sale in the works or they would not be making these disproven claims.
I am the unwilling control for my Origin.
I'm a very experienced sysadmin
Not anymore. Things change.
terse, bloated
Terse _and_ bloated?
You win the Internets for today, Sir. That is all.
Remember too that Red Hat has a libel case against SCOX that was put on hold behind this. The likelihood of any payoff is slight, but it's on the list of liabilities to the BK trustee.
That is not dead which can eternal lie/And with endless lawsuits even death can die.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
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