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SeaWorld and Others Discover That a Hashtag Can Become a Bashtag

HughPickens.com writes Alison Griswold writes that in an effort to improve its tanking image, SeaWorld launched a new advertising campaign this week to educate the public about its "leadership in the care of killer whales" and other work to protect whales in captivity and in the wild. As part of that head-on initiative, someone at SeaWorld decided to invite Twitter users to pose their questions to the company directly using the hashtag #AskSeaWorld. That was not a good idea as twitter users bashed Sea World relentlessly.. "As easy as it is to make fun of SeaWorld here, the real question is why any company still thinks hosting an open Twitter forum could be good for public relations," writes Griswold. "So maybe SeaWorld's social and PR folks just really have no idea what they're doing. Even so, you'd think they'd have learned from the corporate failures before them."

Let's review some of the times this has backfired, starting with the infamous McDonald's #McDStories Twitter campaign of January 2012. Rather than prompting customers to share their heart-warming McDonald's anecdotes, the hashtag gave critics a highly visible forum to share their top McDonald's horror stories. MacDonalds pulled the campaign within two hours but they discovered that crowd-sourced campaigns are hard to control. Three years later the #McDStories hashtag is still gathering comments. "Twitter Q&As are a terrible idea.," concludes Griswold. "A well-meaning hashtag gives critics an easy way to assemble and voice their complaints in a public forum. Why companies still try them is a great mystery. Maybe they'll all finally learn from SeaWorld and give this one horrible PR trick up for good."

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  1. Maybe it's time these companies learn... by InfiniteBlaze · · Score: 2

    to control their own image, so they don't need to control the campaign. If patrons are happy, they'll do the advertising for them.

    1. Re: Maybe it's time these companies learn... by mattwarden · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Patrons are happy at Walmart and McDonalds, or they wouldn't patronize the establishments religiously. Yet these are two of the most "hated" brands for reasons that have nothing to do with the services they provide patrons.

    2. Re: Maybe it's time these companies learn... by TWX · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Are they happy, or have businesses like this managed to simply become the path of least resistance to where they've become a habit to the patrons?

      I used to stop at QuikTrip convenience stores twice a day while doing my rounds, to get soft-drink refills and sometimes to buy beef jerky or other snacks. It didn't make me happy or improve my quality of life, I was doing it because it was very easy and had become one of my habits.

      I don't hate QuikTrip now, but I did realize that I'm better off not patronizing them so much.

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    3. Re: Maybe it's time these companies learn... by linearZ · · Score: 1

      Happy? Walmart and McDonalds can be called a lot of things (quick, convenient, cheap, easy, ubiquitous, habitual, exploitive), but those establishments don't exactly come across at happy place on earth. Most of the people I see in those places seem something other than "happy". But those places work for many as long as one doesn't think too much.

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    4. Re: Maybe it's time these companies learn... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Familiarity breeds contempt.

      getting all http://images.slashdot.org/hc/73/cc9e9516b0d9.jpg about it.

    5. Re: Maybe it's time these companies learn... by CrashNBrn · · Score: 3, Funny

      McDonalds has a Happy Meal. I think you must be mistaken.

    6. Re:Maybe it's time these companies learn... by Etherwalk · · Score: 1

      to control their own image, so they don't need to control the campaign. If patrons are happy, they'll do the advertising for them.

      This. "Word-of-mouth" is the best single way to advertise your product. Depending on your consumer base and any politics around your brand, a twitter campaign should be fine. You can't control it, but if you're a good company and you aren't dealing with a lot of jerks, it will also be a positive one.

      Woodstock stove company, for example, is a very reputable company that makes soapstone and cast iron stoves. They would probably do well on twitter, even though they might get some flame wars from people who are really into other brands of stoves.

    7. Re:Maybe it's time these companies learn... by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      even though they might get some flame wars from people who are really into other brands of stoves.

      Loool those would be awesome flame wars

    8. Re: Maybe it's time these companies learn... by LihTox · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And if Walmart has the lowest prices in town (or maybe the ONLY prices in a small town), and if you're on a tight budget, you might not have a choice in where you shop, love it or hate it. It's like saying, "Wow, everyone must love the DMV, there's always a long line whenever I go!" :) Or as another example, I lived in Chicago for 5 years and I took public transportation everywhere, and I HATED it, but I hated the thought of driving in Chicago even more.

    9. Re:Maybe it's time these companies learn... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Woah woah woah! It sounds like you might be new to the world of corporate management. A few MBA courses should set you right.

    10. Re: Maybe it's time these companies learn... by TWX · · Score: 1

      Yes. In Boston there are subway stations with Dunkin' Donuts in them. Driving through Chelsea there are DDs at all of the major corners. It isn't until you get pretty far out into the suburbs that you can't find a Dunkin' Donuts every quarter-mile. When they're everywhere it's easy to see why people will get their coffee, donuts, and breakfast sandwiches there even if they'd rather have something better or different.

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    11. Re:Maybe it's time these companies learn... by fredgiblet · · Score: 1

      The problem is that, no matter what, you'll have unhappy customers. Companies like McDonalds have so many customers that the number of unhappy ones, even if it's a fraction of a percent, are enough to turn something like this into a fiasco.

    12. Re: Maybe it's time these companies learn... by mattwarden · · Score: 2

      You use the word "habit" as if you couldn't help yourself. You yourself explain that you went there because it was very easy. They offered you the service you wanted. Then, later, you decided you didn't want it anymore, because your priorities changed.

    13. Re: Maybe it's time these companies learn... by mattwarden · · Score: 2

      So, you "have" to go to Walmart because Walmart is the only place that can offer you what you want at the price you want it? And then you make a comparison to the DMV? This is economic ignorance.

      Please read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    14. Re: Maybe it's time these companies learn... by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Walmart and McDonalds are most certainly hated for the products they provide. They're just big enough that they don't need to care. They can be viewed as crap by a large chunk of the population and still make money on what's left.

      There are plenty of mindless bargain hunters and people with no taste.

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    15. Re:Maybe it's time these companies learn... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      The answer is No - corporations will not learn. John Oliver has a funny piece on this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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    16. Re:Maybe it's time these companies learn... by gl4ss · · Score: 2

      mcd customers don't need to advertise mcd or don't want to. the mcd is already there, everybody knows it.. what's there to advertise, if there isn't some price special going on?

      but you know what's funny about mcd? the vocal complainers about the quality, horror stories and what have you.. they don't eat at mcd, have no idea where the food in mcd comes from either, they only know that it's a multinational fast food franchise and so it must be bad.

      and generally, don't have a fucking clue about anything really. they'll complain about "multinationals" and mcdonalds that uses local beef and salads(some regions) while eating soy they bought from an oriental shop that sells ONLY foodstuff shipped from sweatshop production houses situated on the other side of the globe - so they'll eat noodles made with shitloads of chemicals and tuna catched by slaves but will not eat at mcd because of "moral reasons".

      these same guys will go then on a trip to some oriental country and eat "clean" "natural" street food - which is what they think when they're eating papaya salad laced with spoonfuls of MSG and sugar(I'm not shitting you, a 7/11 sized grocery store in thailand will have a whole shelf of monosodium glutamate. like, if the store sells raw meat they will also sell msg) - and this is pretty much true for all of orient - and even true for the noodle shops ran by orientals in the west, you know, that cool ramen place that your hippie friend likes to go to instead of mcd? yeah, the soups highly probable laced with more sugar, oil and additives than anything you can buy in MCD(except that with mcd you get the product sheet, with those places you don't).

      I eat mcd occasionally, and really, what's so bad about using the parts of the animal that you cant sell at a meat market anyways? you would think that conservation hippies would be all over that, but fuck no - they don't want to eat the parts that would otherwise go in the bin because it's "unnatural"..

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    17. Re: Maybe it's time these companies learn... by 3.5+stripes · · Score: 2

      No, he said the things you use at a price you can afford.. want isn't a factor.

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    18. Re: Maybe it's time these companies learn... by idontgno · · Score: 1

      I always thought the meal was happy because it was finally getting out of that God-forsaken place. Even being hauled away to be dismantled by a shrieking 4-year old and being consumed piece-by-piece is better than remaining within the confines of a McDonalds establishment.

      I'm joking. I think.

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    19. Re: Maybe it's time these companies learn... by mattwarden · · Score: 1

      Absolute necessities, which is what you are both trying to refer to, are pretty rare. You have to do silly things like say "food is a necessity". Yes, but what food? At Walmart, Ramen is 17 cents. Filet mignon is $20/lb. What you choose in that spectrum is want. People go to Walmart because they can "buy up" for the same price. You probably will disagree, because you want to disagree, but when you look at demand for Walmart, it's pretty self-evident. Picking examples where Walmart is the only grocery/retail store within 40 miles is pretty ridiculous, and not just because it accounts for a tiny % of Walmart's revenue and therefore has no explanatory power.

    20. Re: Maybe it's time these companies learn... by mattwarden · · Score: 1

      Pretty sure you just admitted Walmart and McDonalds meet the needs of a large segment of the market. You don't have to like either establishment. That's the beauty of a market system: it can cater to diverse needs.

      In your case, there are plenty of places that will cater to your arrogant elitism.

  2. #McDStories by Greyfox · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ad campaigns are easily subverted. Case in point. If you're going to do something like that, you'd best be sure you're squeaky clean and that the public loves you. And if you're a souless corporation, the answer to both those questions is inevitably "no."

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    1. Re:#McDStories by TWX · · Score: 2

      It doesn't matter if you're squeaky-clean, there are plenty of people that would demean anyway even if they've never done business with you. Just reading through the comments on items purchased on Amazon is proof enough of that.

      They're called trolls. And we should all be well aware of them, we've all probably been them at some point or another.

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    2. Re:#McDStories by Ksevio · · Score: 1

      That case and point was already given in the second paragraph of the summary.

      A more extreme one was the NYPD campaign for people to tweet nice things about the police. No idea who thought that wouldn't end up going badly for them.

    3. Re:#McDStories by Tridus · · Score: 1

      McDonalds didn't learn from #McDStories either, they did the exact same thing with #CheersToSochi, which led to the exact same result (only being taken over by people asking why McDonalds was supporting Putin's government).

      The moral of the story - "social media experts" are often total morons.

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  3. Related ... by RoccamOccam · · Score: 4, Funny

    Share your heartwarming stories about Slashdot at #slashdot!

    1. Re:Related ... by iggymanz · · Score: 2

      already done and going on for a while now at #SlashdotBetaSucks

    2. Re:Related ... by houghi · · Score: 1

      OK, this naming is getting stoopid. Share if you agree on @#/.! (Ampersant Octotorp slash dot exclamationmark, or is that not part of it?)

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    3. Re:Related ... by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      @#/.! (Ampersant Octotorp slash dot exclamationmark, or is that not part of it?)

      Get it right, ! is a bang!

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  4. Re:Here's the problem, the public. by TWX · · Score: 2

    These situations are all proof that one cannot control the feedback that one receives. That's the whole point of feedback, by the way, to attempt to gauge a realistic view of what's going on. Asking for a negative review or asking for a positive review has already prejudiced the review process, and will usually rile-up people that have had the opposite experience that have the opposite view of the asker.

    If the distinguished lady from Oregon wanted realistic feedback then she should have simply asked for feedback. If she asked for positive feedback (as an attempt at reverse-psychology), knowing that she was against the ACA, she would have gotten positive feedback by a motivated crowd. Asking for negative feedback, know that she was against the ACA, she got positive feedback by a motivated crowd.

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  5. Does it ever work? by ohnocitizen · · Score: 2

    Let's find examples of it working, and let that encourage more companies to engage over twitter. Because the common thread here is these are all companies that deserve criticism.

    1. Re:Does it ever work? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      There are things you do that other people want to criticize, too, and feel you are completely deserving. The people who started those campaigns don't think their companies deserve the criticism.

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  6. Maybe this is just my perspective as an outsider.. by DRMShill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    but why the hell would anyone use Twitter? What's your reasonable best case scenario? You could get a book deal maybe. On the other hand, you're playing Russian Roulette with everything you post. Say something the internet finds offensive at that time and they'll burn you to the ground.

  7. Re:Maybe this is just my perspective as an outside by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Publicity.

    Try posting something on your web site, if you're not one of the biggest or most-watched companies in your industry, and see what reaction you'll get.

  8. Re:Obviously allowing people to voice opinions is by TWX · · Score: 1

    Expressing opinions is just fine, but it's not in these businesses' interests to provide a forum for it when this forum is not in their control. It's opening the flood-gates to let a trickle of a stream into the town downstream and being surprised when the entire reservoir rushes down the valley.

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  9. Re:#SlashdotStories by TWX · · Score: 2

    Why would we complain about Slashdot on Twitter when we can complain about Slashdot on Slashdot?

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  10. Love AND hate by sjbe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yet these are two of the most "hated" brands for reasons that have nothing to do with the services they provide patrons.

    Disagree. They are loved AND hated for exactly the same reasons and often by the same people. People love low prices but hate the side effects of relentless focus on low prices like low wages. People love consistency and knowing what to expect but hate the monotony of those very same things. People love good service but hate paying for it. People love having jobs but hate working.

    In short, people are bi-polar in their attitudes towards big corporations. It's not as simple as saying people love big corporations or hate them. It's both at the same time.

    1. Re:Love AND hate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Uh, yes?

      You see this most prominently in video game forums. The fans that shell out money to buy the game are the loudest trolls on the forums. And they keep playing the games even as they post about how terrible they are. And they buy the sequels, and complain about those too.

      This is a common human phenomenon. There are *also* groups of people who are happy and post enthusiastic comments without trolling. And there are *also* haters that just troll and never buy. But it is simply ignorant to believe that there isn't a large group of people that do both at once.

    2. Re:Love AND hate by BronsCon · · Score: 2

      Not every complaint is a sign of hatred. Sometimes it's constructive dissent, they like the product but dislike some aspect of it, so they voice that. In the case of games, of course they buy the sequel, they want to know if their voice was heard. If it wasn't, they repeat their complaint; if it was, they complain about some other aspect they think could be improved.

      This isn't a bad thing, either. Companies can improve their products and services by listening to the dissenting comments of their customers; but that only works if the people you call trolls actually voice their opinions.

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    3. Re:Love AND hate by GuB-42 · · Score: 2

      [about McDonalds...] People love low prices

      Maybe in the US but where I live (France) and in other countries I visited, McDonalds isn't cheap. In many cases local snacks and even small restaurants are cheaper and serve better food.
      As for a reason why they are hated by their own patrons : take a group of people, each one have a list of place they are willing to eat and while no one has McDonald's as their first choice, it is on everyone's list. As a result the whole group may end up eating at McDonald's and while no one will be left out, no one will be satisfied. In other words, a compromise but noting more.

    4. Re:Love AND hate by mattwarden · · Score: 1

      Most of the people who hate Walmart and McDonalds do not shop there and can afford not to shop there.

    5. Re:Love AND hate by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      If only there were Burger King to choose from. C'est la vie.

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    6. Re:Love AND hate by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      If only there were Burger King to choose from. C'est la vie.

      The first Burger King re-opened in France two years ago, they are now expanding.

  11. Getting involved with Twitter by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

    For most companies, is just performing the experiment of how well individual rights hold up against outraged mobs in our society. (sadly they don't hold up particularly well, just ask this guy http://www.theverge.com/2014/1... )

    1. Re:Getting involved with Twitter by BVis · · Score: 2

      First, check your links. That's a 404.

      Second, while libertarians froth at the mouth over individual rights, they fail to mention how the "individual right" most often defended is the one that puts CEOs in corner offices making 350 times what their workers make. The only "individual right" they really care about is the right to exploit others for personal gain.

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    2. Re:Getting involved with Twitter by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      When I posted the link it was good

      https://www.google.com/search?...

      Anyway here you go.

      I am not a libertarian, but I know more than enough about their cause and people who are libertarians, to understand your comment just marks you as an ignorant bigot.

    3. Re:Getting involved with Twitter by BVis · · Score: 1

      I know that libertarians talk a good game, but what they really want is to be able to make decisions for themselves regardless of the consequences to others. That social Darwinism is the key to salvation, That the invisible hand of the free market will solve all the world's ills.

      They're either hopelessly naive or they've got an agenda to push, and that agenda is most likely empowering businesses to do whatever the fuck they want so long as they make money.

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    4. Re:Getting involved with Twitter by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      I know that libertarians talk a good game,

      In your case, it's pretty clear it's not what you don't know, but what you do know that's just wrong.

    5. Re:Getting involved with Twitter by BVis · · Score: 1

      Educate me, then. And try to keep Rand out of it.

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    6. Re:Getting involved with Twitter by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      Educate me, then. And try to keep Rand out of it.

      Not my job, but just to point you in the right direction, Ayn Rand had no love for libertarians http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexi...

    7. Re:Getting involved with Twitter by BVis · · Score: 1

      They can all jump into a volcano, as far as I'm concerned.

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    8. Re:Getting involved with Twitter by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      You really need to stop being the problem.

    9. Re:Getting involved with Twitter by BVis · · Score: 1

      Oh, so now since I don't believe in libertarianism/objectivism/whatever, I'm part of the problem? Don't tell me what to think.

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    10. Re:Getting involved with Twitter by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      You, think ?

  12. Maybe they'll all finally learn by spauldo · · Score: 1

    Maybe they'll all finally learn from SeaWorld and give this one horrible PR trick up for good.

    I hope not. It'd make twitter a lot more boring.

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  13. Bad Idea When by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

    It is only a bad idea when the vast majority of people hate your business practices.

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    1. Re:Bad Idea When by Crashmarik · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It is only a bad idea when the vast majority of people hate your business practices.

      The vast majority doesn't care. It's a problem when you have an angry minority that has too much time on its hands.

  14. Re:Ask sea world by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 1

    "Yes." History is littered with humans that cares more about money than fellow human beings. And you think human is somehow going to act any different because it is dealing with another non-human creature?

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  15. Re:Maybe this is just my perspective as an outside by Mashiki · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well gamergate uses it as one of the main pushbacks against moral authoritarians and prudes. The "social justice" crowd loves social media, so there needs to be some people who are willing to push back against those who are out to try and cause actual harm.

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  16. Bashtags == Nefarious remote Shebang lines? by corychristison · · Score: 1

    Anyone else think something along the lines of a hashtag being used to remote exploit SeaWorlds network by using Shebang lines in twitter?

    I dunno. Too much internets today.

  17. #ASKNEAL by GoodNewsJimDotCom · · Score: 1

    Anyone who remembers how badly #AskNeal went down as a hockey fan, I'm surprised anyone would ever post #AskWhatever ever again because it is basically taunting the trolls. Trolls will come, and trolls will go, but don't encourage them.

  18. Re:Maybe this is just my perspective as an outside by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Putting social justice in quotes is appropriate. It is a movement that is called a specific thing which many people have reasonable belief to be not the actual intended purpose. Saying "Social Justice" is akin to saying "Clean Coal". There is no such thing, but it is a designation that is well known.

  19. twitter = monkey cage by kylemonger · · Score: 1

    On the other hand, it might be that PR people realize that by inviting attack on Twitter Seaworld can say they addresed their critics openly while basically mooning the monkey cage for all the difference the hoots and cries generated on Twitter matter in the real world. Who goes to Twitter to find out anything important about SeaWorld? I saw their advertising, had a free day in San Diego and decided to go see the whales and dolphins. There's lot of other cool stuff there, too.

    As for the abuse claims, I see these beasts as working for a living. A killer whale or a dolphin is fully capable of drowning and/or eating its tormentors if it has had enough foolishness that day. Some of the people coming out now against SeaWorld predictably enough have books to sell.

  20. No publicity is bad publicity by rwa2 · · Score: 1

    Does it ever work?
    Let's find examples of it working, and let that encourage more companies to engage over twitter. Because the common thread here is these are all companies that deserve criticism.

    I would submit that whatever gets people talking about the company or brand or candidate is all good, whether it's positive or negative.

    No one reads through all the actual buzz. They just see "instances of #hashtag is TRENDING!"

    What's more, the group's Facebook page is almost guaranteed to be a honeypot for all of the trolls against it. And if they're all happily trolling away at the group's Facebook or Twitter page, then they're likely sitting back smug thinking they've made a "difference" by airing their opinions and not actually out there harassing the group's actual customers or fanbase. Just paw through at any politician's Facebook page or comments on their posts, it's an endless stream of vile drivel. Does anyone who actually likes the candidate care or bother to read any of that? No!

    My first-hand experience reading through that kind of thing occurred while contracting for MS Flight. "The killers of MSFS!", the fanboys would proudly proclaim, making personal threats against the manager in charge for trying to figure out how to get one of MS's first free-to-play model games to work (and also one of the first to transition from GfW Live to Steam). Meanwhile, the people who actually bothered to play the game for what is was... a gentle, accessible reboot of GA flight sims circa 1994, really seemed to enjoy the (limited) experiences it provided managed to play online mostly unharassed by any of the crowd spouting vitriol in the public forums. So it worked out pretty well (well, except for the part where the dev team got axed for the second time because they weren't making enough money from DLC). But it could have been worse! :P

  21. Re:Maybe this is just my perspective as an outside by Mashiki · · Score: 1

    You're never going to defeat the armies of the basement-dwellers on their own turf. Pick another battlefield.

    That's pretty funny. They also said gamergate would be dead in a week, this is month 7. How many grassroots campaigns last this long, while shrugging off the left-leaning media goes after them using fake claims of harassment.

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  22. Re:Maybe this is just my perspective as an outside by Mashiki · · Score: 2

    Putting social justice in scare quotes while blathering about moral authoritarians is amusing enough, but to do it while equivocating about your side's wilful invasion community spaces for the purposes of moral crusade? Classy.

    Except it's accurate. You miss the attack against lionhead studios and their support for national cleavage day? Or how about their attacks against various types of dress? Of course, when they use exactly the same thing it's not 'sexist' anymore. Then again, we didn't start the invasion now did we. They did, when they decided they wanted to turn everything into a political pissing match and people said "enough."

    Then again aGGro's are so small in number that they can't even trend a hashtag. There goes that myth that GG is 300 people.

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  23. Re:Maybe this is just my perspective as an outside by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

    left-leaning media goes after them using fake claims of harassment.

    Are you claiming Zoe Quinn was not harassed?

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  24. Re:Maybe this is just my perspective as an outside by houghi · · Score: 1

    You think people are that easily offended? I am triggered!!!

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  25. Re:Maybe this is just my perspective as an outside by dave420 · · Score: 1

    Gamergate won't ever die as there will always be some people so offended when the inherent small-mindedness of gamers is called out, that they lash out like scalded toddlers at whatever they perceive is attacking them, proving the point of their accusers as they go. Wanting to be able to be sexist children is not a grassroots campaign, it's being sexist children. Calling it a grassroots campaign is hilarious.

  26. Re:Maybe this is just my perspective as an outside by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

    But the only people that care are other losers also on Twitter. Being angry makes people feel good, but since the only people that care are other idiots, it's all rather pointless.

  27. Re:Maybe this is just my perspective as an outside by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    Actually GamerGate is a perfect example of what the GP is talking about. Aside from the people who committed actual crimes in support of GG, some number of people got sucked in to the rubbish about ethics in journalism and #NotYourSheild. If they tied their accounts to their real identities somehow when people google them they are going to see that they fell for that scam or worse actually condoned what was happening with full knowledge.

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  28. Re:Maybe this is just my perspective as an outside by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    The one reason I ever bother using Twitter is to communicate with companies with whom I have a problem. If I get bad service I write about it on Twitter. Having to do customer support in public usually encourages a faster, better response in my experience.

    So far British Airways is the only one that has not responded well to tweets, although they did at least respond.

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  29. Bill Cosby by perry64 · · Score: 1

    Someone should ask Bill Cosby if he liked the outcome of his "Make me a Meme" social media project.

  30. Re:Maybe this is just my perspective as an outside by Mashiki · · Score: 1

    I've asked dozens of times for said evidence of people who are pro-GG who've "committed crimes" I have yet to see it. I can however find easily plenty of vocal aGGro's who are active to this day who've actually broken laws, including anti-swatting laws. What I find funny is the comment is the second sentence, you've just come out saying that people can't make their own decisions. You realize how bigoted that is right?

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  31. Re:Maybe this is just my perspective as an outside by Mashiki · · Score: 1

    Are you claiming Zoe Quinn was not harassed?

    Technically no. Neither was she doxed(she released the information herself), or had her nudes released(she did porn, and it's still available on their website). She also left the country on a per-arranged trip and tried to dish it up as a "this is what harassment has done to me..." type of crap. She did however, go after and harass wizardchan not once but at least twice. Tel me, how petty and low do you have to be to go after a bunch of overweight virgins who want to be left alone?

    Once you get outside of what narrative they tried to push, and actually look into it yourself, you suddenly find that things don't actually match up. Reality is far different from the fiction presented.

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  32. Re:Maybe this is just my perspective as an outside by Mashiki · · Score: 1

    This is the first time I've heard of it in nearly two months. Even Slashdot and Cracked stopped posting stories about it weekly some time ago.

    Cracked just finished namedropping gamergate a week ago, and the washington post did something similar a few days ago. It's still in the news, which should tell you something.

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  33. Re:Maybe this is just my perspective as an outside by Mashiki · · Score: 1

    Really? Let's look at their latest moral outrage over a 30 year old limerick that's been used up to this day. Now let's look at the pushback by people against the sjw mindset and narritive. Their narrative is, it's "transphobic" it's not, it actually caused murders(it didn't). If you're unwilling to protect your culture, then don't whine when someone turns around and tries to make it into something you wouldn't recognize. The rest of us however, have no desire to see an already and accepting culture turned into a pile of crap. Much like what they did to atheism, comic books, and the sci-fi/fantasy book genres.

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  34. Re:Maybe this is just my perspective as an outside by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 1

    I've found it also good for real time updates. For example during recent snow storms, following the city and department of transport Twitter gives some insight into the status of the city. And they use it for two-way communication as well.

    Other situations I've used it is twice watching parades when there was a huge gap in the middle. Jump on twitter and there's reports of why the parade stopped (medical emergency).

    I've also used it when following a manhunt that had a city on lockdown. Closest to second by second updates. First there were reports from people listening to police scanner that the suspect was apprehended, and finally the police twitter confirmed. Long before any online news articles.

  35. Free Captive Orcas from SeaWorld's Exploitation: by iq145 · · Score: 1

    Join the Boycott ! Orcas belong in oceans, not tiny tanks. Tell SeaWorld putting profit above animal welfare won't earn your support or patronage. Recently, Heart, Willie Nelson, and the Barenaked Ladies chose to cancel concerts at SeaWorld after viewing the Blackfish documentary. Stand with these entertainers by joining the boycott. Established in 1964, SeaWorld is an aquatic themed park which provides its visitors with close encounters with marine wildlife like belugas, dolphins, and orcas, also known as killer whales. According to the Whale and Dolphin Conservation Society, SeaWorld holds the vast majority of the world's captive orca whales which appear in shows. These performances are the current cornerstone of SeaWorld's entertainment model. Orcas are highly intelligent, social animals. In captivity, they are deprived of the interactions they would normally have within their pod family structure. They often have stunted lifespans and numerous health issues while being forced to perform behaviors and tricks they would never exhibit in the wild. These impressive animals are almost constantly in motion, can dive as deep as 195 feet, and travel as far as 100 miles in a day, a range which no tank or aquarium can offer. Deprivation of natural habitat and social bonds often causes the whales to display aggressive behaviors unheard of in the wild. SeaWorld's exploitative practices cannot be allowed to continue. Boycott SeaWorld until the company ends its policy of captivity for whales and other cetaceans. CyberSign the petition today!: http://therainforestsite.great...

  36. PR Disasters by Martin+Spamer · · Score: 2

    The McLibel case shows the sort of PR Disaster that often results from trying to manage negative PR.

  37. Re:Maybe this is just my perspective as an outside by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

    I have no idea what you just talked about so assume this is some Twitter thing. Suggest you switch off and come back to the real world.