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Hyundai To Release "Semi-Autonomous" Car This Year

jfruh writes While self-driving cars from Google and others remain in the prototype stage, Korean carmaker Hyundai intends to release a premium sedan called the Equus this year that includes self-driving features. While a car's ability to navigate complex urban environments on its own is still a ways off, the Equus will allow the driver to take their hands off the wheel and feet off the brakes during highway driving.

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  1. my car is autonomous.. by ThatsDrDangerToYou · · Score: 5, Funny

    It starts some days, if it feels like it.

    1. Re:my car is autonomous.. by schlachter · · Score: 2

      clippy: i noticed you are trying to make a left turn; perhaps I can help...

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    2. Re:my car is autonomous.. by socialoracle · · Score: 1

      It'll hit everything in it's path but thats not the point.

  2. this technology has been around a long time. by nimbius · · Score: 4, Funny

    Im quite familiar with Hyundai's semi-autonymous technology as they pioneered it 30 some years ago. The vehicle was capable of fully automatic shutdowns. Headlights, turn signals, brakes, you name it and this car would take care of it. At one point the vehicle, obviously sensing some mortal danger or impending disaster, pro-actively jetissoned the clutch into a stream of highway traffic in what I can only assume to this day saved my life from a bond villains clutches.

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    1. Re:this technology has been around a long time. by gstoddart · · Score: 2

      Please, 30 years ago Chrysler was making shitty, bio-degradable K-cars and other feats of engineering crap on the assumption people would just keep buying them.

      Hyundai surpassed Honda a few years ago in terms of reliability.

      But I still see front-wheel drive American cars with the hump in the back seat where a drive shaft used to go, or a live-rear axle in a front-wheel drive so that the car can flail about as much as possible when going over uneven terrain.

      Everything you describe I can tell you about a Dodge or Pontiac which had the same damned problems.

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    2. Re:this technology has been around a long time. by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Weird, I don't see Hyundai on either of these lists.

      http://www.consumerreports.org...
      http://autos.jdpower.com/conte...

    3. Re:this technology has been around a long time. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      But I still see front-wheel drive American cars with the hump in the back seat where a drive shaft used to go, or a live-rear axle in a front-wheel drive so that the car can flail about as much as possible when going over uneven terrain.

      You mean a Torsion bar? That Civic that spanks the 'ring like a bitch has one of those in the back. You don't even.

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    4. Re:this technology has been around a long time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But I still see front-wheel drive American cars with the hump in the back seat where a drive shaft used to go,

      the exhaust pipe and other things are routed through there now.

    5. Re:this technology has been around a long time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As usual, Drinker of Poo, you're fucking wrong again! The torsion bar is another, typically European, name for the sway bar. The rear suspension of most Hondas, including the Civic you quoted, use an Independent MacPherson Strut suspension which have trailing arms. You're thinking about a beam axle and being wrong as usual.

    6. Re:this technology has been around a long time. by mjwx · · Score: 1

      But I still see front-wheel drive American cars with the hump in the back seat where a drive shaft used to go, or a live-rear axle in a front-wheel drive so that the car can flail about as much as possible when going over uneven terrain.

      You mean a Torsion bar? That Civic that spanks the 'ring like a bitch has one of those in the back. You don't even.

      A Torsion bar is not a live rear axle, especially in an FWD car where the entire rear axle is dead.

      A live axle in this context is literally a bit of pig iron connecting the two wheels usually suspended by leaf springs. The reason it is bad is because there is a lot of sideways play and dont move independently so when the right wheel digs in during a tight turn, the left wheel is lifted off the tarmac. Torsion bars allow more vertical play in the axle, obviously not as much as independent rear suspension like double wishbones but far better than leaf springs.

      That being said, the old Civic type R and its relative, the Integra (Acura RSX) had double wishbones at the back (and a McPherson strut on the front) so you had to be cornering very hard to cock a leg.

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    7. Re:this technology has been around a long time. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      But I still see front-wheel drive American cars with the hump in the back seat where a drive shaft used to go, or a live-rear axle in a front-wheel drive so that the car can flail about as much as possible when going over uneven terrain.

      You mean a Torsion bar? That Civic that spanks the 'ring like a bitch has one of those in the back. You don't even.

      A Torsion bar is not a live rear axle, especially in an FWD car where the entire rear axle is dead.

      You don't even know what a live axle is. A live axle is what you have in the back of a typical pickup truck. If it's not powered, it's called a dead axle.

      A live axle in this context is literally a bit of pig iron connecting the two wheels usually suspended by leaf springs.

      No, a live axle is a powered axle which consists of a tube with a housing in the middle containing the differential, or at least a ring and pinion.

      Correct me when I'm wrong, but first make sure I'm wrong. FWD cars don't have live axles in the rear by definition, genius. Now, when you figure out what is being said, and learn what these automotive parts are called, you can try that again. But since I am not only a lifelong enthusiast but also had two years of auto body and paint, HVAC, and automotive electrical, good fucking luck.

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    8. Re: this technology has been around a long time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Torsion bars are not sway bars.

  3. Queue in the lawsuits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    From the people inside the car, the people in the cars in front, the cyclists riding on the shoulder, and the non-cautious pedestrians. A big pie with large pieces for everyone!

    A new subtype of lawyers will be born: the self-driving car chasers.

    1. Re:Queue in the lawsuits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oops "cue in" ...Had to wait 4 minutes to provide this clarification.

    2. Re:Queue in the lawsuits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Had to wait 4 minutes to provide this clarification

      Then don't post as AC.

    3. Re:Queue in the lawsuits by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I expect it will be a lot like cruise control where it will only kick on when particular conditions are set.

      For the most part I see this as a great safety feature. Having driven highway for 5-6 hours in one shot, your eyes get strained from staying focused, and your instinct is to just close your eyes to let them rest a bit. Just having a feature to keep you in your lane, and not ramming into the car in front of you, is useful, where you can let your eyes focus on something easier for a few minutes, or away from some glare.
      Oddly enough if you are not so intent in watching out for danger, you can be less focused and see what is happening around you much easier.

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    4. Re:Queue in the lawsuits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had to wait nearly an hour to post this one!

    5. Re:Queue in the lawsuits by Nethead · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or you could just pull over and take a 5-10 minute walk every two hours or so to get some blood flowing to the brain again. In fact, I think this is recommended by most driving instructors.

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    6. Re:Queue in the lawsuits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Change your IP and clear your cookies and continue spamming /. unabated. You're welcome.

    7. Re:Queue in the lawsuits by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      That may be the recommended. But there are some roadways 30-40 miles between place where I can stop. So by the time you start feeling strain you may have an other hour to drive.

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    8. Re:Queue in the lawsuits by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      That may be the recommended. But there are some roadways 30-40 miles between place where I can stop.

      It takes more than two hours for you to drive 30-40 miles?

    9. Re:Queue in the lawsuits by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      "In fact, I think this is recommended by most driving instructors."

      But does anyone listen?

  4. Might as well by damn_registrars · · Score: 2

    Hyundais are so narcoleptically boring to drive they might as well just drive themselves and let the owner take a nap. Equally true for Toyota and Honda, even though Hyundai is Korean and the other two Japanese.

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    1. Re:Might as well by CastrTroy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Driving is boring, people don't pay attention to the road, is the solution to make it more boring?

      This is always my concern. If the car is semi-autonomous, that means the driver should be ready to take control of the car if something goes wrong. But if the person has their hands off the wheel, and foot off the brake, what are the odds that the person will be able to take control when they need to?

      I'm just envisioning the near future, where most days people don't have to touch the controls. People get complacent, and start reading books, watching a movie, or browsing the net while driving, because it's so boring and they never have to do anything anyway. Then once in a while something bad happens, and the person is unable to do anything about it, because they weren't paying attention. Sure you could blame the person, but you could put some blame on the car/manufacturer for giving them a false sense of security.

      That or people just don't buy the self driving car, because if I have to pay attention all the time anyway, there's no way I'm paying for the self driving car unless I can actually do something else while driving.

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    2. Re:Might as well by PRMan · · Score: 2

      I have a Mercedes that already has this feature for the most part (won't hit the car in front of you and buzzes on lane markers if the turn signal isn't on). It's very relaxing. This car is NOT boring to drive by any stretch, but just being able to take my mind off the road except for emergency situations is very relaxing and I get home with less stress.

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    3. Re:Might as well by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People get complacent, and start reading books, watching a movie, or browsing the net while driving, because it's so boring and they never have to do anything anyway

      Honestly, have you looked around at other drivers?

      I see so many people with their face glued to their phone that I assume they're doing all this and more. I know damned well I've seen bad driver shows in which idiots watch TV on their cell phone while driving.

      I'm forced to conclude that at least 1/3 of all drivers are barely aware of their surroundings while driving.

      I could stand at an intersection for an hour and see a huge amount of drivers with their face looking down at their phone. How the police can't seem to do this I have no idea.

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    4. Re:Might as well by cusco · · Score: 1

      People already read books, watch movies and browse the net while driving, or haven't you driven in the Puget Sound area?

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    5. Re:Might as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are busy looking at their phones, what else?

    6. Re:Might as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Subaru does the same thing. The adaptive cruise control is quite neat. Set a minimum follow distance and a speed. The car will then attempt to maintain those while warning if you leave your lane.

    7. Re:Might as well by Dripdry · · Score: 1

      Honestly? Thank heaven. I love my hyundai. it's quiet, safe, and I can drive for 20+ hours at a stretch without falling asleep (less road noise/vibration, methinks).

      People who want to rumble around in loud, turbulent metal machines, well, fair enough. I'd rather get from point A to B (and whatever's in between) relaxed and as rested as possible.

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    8. Re:Might as well by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      People who want to rumble around in loud, turbulent metal machines, well, fair enough.

      No, what I am after is not that, either.

      My gripe about >>99% of all Asian cars (and frankly most of the cars sold by the American brands as well) is that they disconnect the driver from the road and from the driving experience in general. It isn't just that they are quiet. They are quiet and they don't accelerate well, they don't handle well, they don't transmit any feel of the road, and perhaps worst of all the seats don't encourage drivers to care about any of this.

      Yeah, most sedans have seats now that are comfortable like a La-Z-boy. I don't want that, though. I want comfortable like a good task chair. A La-Z-boy encourages me to tune out and fall asleep. A task chair encourages me to focus. Built in creature comforts in seats like heat, A/C, and massage don't help either - again they encourage the occupant to pay less attention to the road and the task at hand.

      That said, I do like a nice exhaust note when I step hard on the pedal. I don't see that as the same thing as "loud, turbulent". You can have a genuine exhaust note on a car that is quiet at cruising speed - many many vehicles have demonstrated that.

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    9. Re:Might as well by rastos1 · · Score: 1

      Driving is boring, people don't pay attention to the road, is the solution to make it more boring?

      I'm not sure if we want to make it more boring. But I'll take "more boring" over "adrenaline rush" any day when I just want to drive a car.

    10. Re:Might as well by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      This level of automation may be illegal in some countries anyway. In the UK, for example, it could fall foul of the very poorly defined "driving without care and attention" rule. Whenever the cops are on TV talking about how to avoid being accused of this they say things like "keep your hands on the wheel at all times", which is obviously completely stupid and moronic, but the point is you need to be seen to be in control the of the vehicle. It's all about perception, specific a cop's perception and if he doesn't think you are paying attention even though the car is on auto-pilot.

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    11. Re:Might as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The reality is that people are already doing all those distracting things while driving, and the end game of autonomous cars is to make them reliable enough that you don't want the human taking over control in an emergency.

    12. Re:Might as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of them around here have full laptops

    13. Re:Might as well by mjwx · · Score: 1

      I have a Mercedes that already has this feature for the most part (won't hit the car in front of you and buzzes on lane markers if the turn signal isn't on). It's very relaxing. This car is NOT boring to drive by any stretch, but just being able to take my mind off the road except for emergency situations is very relaxing and I get home with less stress.

      Driving isn't boring,

      People are boring and they bring their boringness into everything they do. Anyone who cant have fun driving an old Hyundai Getz to the raggedy edge has problems (in fact there are racing leagues based on Hyundai Getz's).

      Half the problem people having with driving is that they buy automatics and other features that deliberately disconnect them from the driving experience. I've driven automatic supercars around a track, A Nissan GTR and McLaren MP4, neither of them were as connected as a Honda Integra in a manual. Porsche and BMW still make their performance cars with a manual and a big part of the reason why they're considered the epitome of a drivers car.

      Even using a flappy paddle gearbox that has it's auto mode completely disconnected (as a GTR can), changing gear is still done by the computer and it's feels a lot like saying "mummy, may I please have another gear, I promise to clean my room later".

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    14. Re:Might as well by dave420 · · Score: 1

      They don't literally mean "at all times", just "don't mess around with stuff - keeping your hands on the wheel when you're driving helps with that".

    15. Re:Might as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I could stand at an intersection for an hour and see a huge amount of drivers with their face looking down at their phone. How the police can't seem to do this I have no idea.

      It's too much work. Can you imagine trying to pull over a driver who isn't paying attention. They could end up following them for hours.

    16. Re:Might as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The idiot troll Dave420's still lurks on /.? Do us a favor. Ban him.

    17. Re:Might as well by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I can drive for 20+ hours at a stretch without falling asleep

      Wow, you're a cock.

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  5. Ho hum by jklovanc · · Score: 1

    Lane following in good weather on well marked restricted entry freeways is pretty simple these days. Please note all the qualifications in that statement.

    1. Re:Ho hum by starless · · Score: 1

      And yet I see so many vehicles in the left-hand lane on US highways weaving onto the left-hand shoulder.

      Surprisingly that seems to include the self-driving car I was behind today.

      At least I assume it was self-driving as the woman in the driver's seat was spending quite some time using both
      hands to adjust her hair....

    2. Re:Ho hum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It is possible to steer with your knees. I do this every day on the highway while eating breakfast. No accidents in 10 years.

    3. Re:Ho hum by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 1

      A huge percentage of commuter driving meets those qualifications. So it's a great place to start.

    4. Re:Ho hum by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      I live in a city and none of my commuter driving is like this.

    5. Re:Ho hum by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      It is possible to steer with your knees. I do this every day on the highway while eating breakfast. No accidents in 10 years.

      Car articles certainly bring out the morons on slashdot. I'm waiting next for the "I drive better after a few stiff whiskies" line.

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    6. Re:Ho hum by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 0

      Which is why I wrote "a huge percentage" and not "100%".

  6. Hyundai by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yea I'm going to trust Hyundai, lol. Every generation they (and their owners) seem to claim they've finally raised their quality bar, never seems to be the case. I suspect the autonomous car computer will fall out of the chassis due to rust eventually.

    1. Re:Hyundai by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      The Hyundai, make nice looking cars with a lot of features that make them seem like they can compete against the big luxury names... However the features/price comes at a cost of vehicle quality.

      I actually wish I could find, a basic Car, without any fancy features just, do what a car does, and do it well.

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    2. Re:Hyundai by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      What you want is an 8th gen Civic. With a B engine, Best car ever made.

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    3. Re:Hyundai by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A Hyundai Elantra is what you're looking for. I have the 2010 Blue version and specifically got it because a) it was a manual and b) it only had the basics. It did come with a free trial of satellite radio but I never bothered to buy it.

      This was after driving Hondas all my life and wanting to find a good car after Honda butchered their Civic line.

    4. Re:Hyundai by cusco · · Score: 1

      I wish they still made the Toyota HiLux pickup, the Toyota mini-van and the VW Rabbit (and Rabbit Pickup) in their original no-frills configurations. There's a lot to be said about a vehicle that you can beat the crap out of for a decade and fix with hand tools.

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    5. Re:Hyundai by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup,

      That's why I bought an Elantra...cheaper, and 2 years ago, the Civic was butchered, they lost their design mojo.

    6. Re:Hyundai by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I actually wish I could find, a basic Car, without any fancy features just, do what a car does, and do it well.

      1981-1985 Mercedes-Benz W126 300SD, 280SE, 300SE, in base trim. 100% high strength steel, available but optional ABS and driver's side airbag, great weight distribution, rigid chassis, great Bendix 4-wheel disc brakes. Seats four comfortably and five in a pinch, massive trunk, easy to work on as long as you stick with inline motors whether gas or diesel. Spend around $8k to get a really nice example with everything working. Parts are cheap on eBay and documentation is easy to come by free online. The car is even quite safe, which is unusual in vehicles of that age. It's from the dawn of crumple zones, and it's made of 100% high strength steel (Except the aluminum hood and trunk lids on diesels and the AMG model) and has a nice long hood and trunk.

      There's nothing more expensive than a cheap Mercedes, but if you spend a decent amount on a quality example up front then these cars are very reliable and honestly inexpensive to maintain. They are at the sweet spot between after Mercedes got their act together regarding switch gear not disintegrating and so on, but before they started cheaping everything out while simultaneously stuffing it with electronics.

      W140 Mercedes, the big swoopy ones that came after that, are some of the least reliable cars ever. Pretty funny.

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    7. Re:Hyundai by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Eurotaxis are reliable as shit. But you have to drive a big ol Benz with a lame diesel.

      What you really want is the 450SEL with the 6.9 liter V8.

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    8. Re:Hyundai by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Eurotaxis are reliable as shit. But you have to drive a big ol Benz with a lame diesel.

      Hahahaha "lame diesel". An old, tired, stock one will be a bit anemic. Throw away the EGR which probably doesn't work any more anyway, rebuild the turbo, and dial the wastegate up to 12, then tell me how lame the OM617 is. While you're at it, make sure the valves are adjusted. The V8 is faster no question, but the diesel is fast enough for any typical purpose (more than fast enough to get speeding tickets) and will get you minimum twice the mileage. Even if money is no object to you, range is relevant.

      And if money is no object, you can pump that diesel way way up. Some have done it. It's a seriously butch motor, seriously overbuilt for car use.

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    9. Re:Hyundai by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      They were built to go 300,000 with sand down the intake. You can thump up any motor. What do you think the 6.9 is capable of with a big stick cam (besides emptying your wallet)?

      You would be a fool to 'hotrod' any Benz, unless you live in Germany. Chevy parts are 1/10 the cost.

      You can keep the 80s tech diesels. Heavy motors in heavier cars. Pigs in a corner.

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    10. Re:Hyundai by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      You can thump up any motor. What do you think the 6.9 is capable of with a big stick cam (besides emptying your wallet)?

      Disintegration. It's not built anything like the OM617 is, which is really a sort of industrial/truck motor and not a car engine at all. The W126 just has a truly massive engine bay.

      You would be a fool to 'hotrod' any Benz, unless you live in Germany. Chevy parts are 1/10 the cost.

      So swap a Chevy engine into the Benz. There's a massive assload of room up there, because there's room for a big DOHC V8. I bet you could fit an LS7 without cutting, with the right pipes.

      You can keep the 80s tech diesels. Heavy motors in heavier cars. Pigs in a corner.

      How is 3475 wet-and-ready heavy? That's in Rustang or Camaro territory, or the same as a 300ZX. You don't seem to know that Mercedes knocked literally 1,000 pounds off the W126 as compared to the W116. The modern equivalent is damned near 5,000 pounds and literally all of the competition is over 4,000, then or now. They also pumped 1,000 pounds of crap (mostly asphalt and computers) right back into the W140.

      The W126 is an astonishingly lightweight and rigid car, even with the diesel motor. And since the 1981-1985 300SD is a pre-smog diesel, there's no smog checks and you can swap in anything you like without worrying. Anybody who lets one of these bodies hit the wrecker is an ass. It's not just the end of an era, it's an era unto itself.

      The only thing wrong with the W126 is that if you lower it you have to dick around with the rear suspension, because it's a semi-trailing-arm. I have this idea that a modified C4 Corvette rear subframe with a coil conversion would fit, but I haven't tested it.

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    11. Re:Hyundai by Chelloveck · · Score: 1

      The Hyundai, make nice looking cars with a lot of features that make them seem like they can compete against the big luxury names... However the features/price comes at a cost of vehicle quality.

      I actually wish I could find, a basic Car, without any fancy features just, do what a car does, and do it well.

      Sounds like you want a Hyundai. No, seriously.

      Two years ago I was looking for a basic car. I had three hard requirements: 30 or better MPG; can seat a 6-foot tall person (my 15 year old son) in the back seat *comfortably* for long trips; and priced under $20K. The Hyundai Elantra GT (the hatchback version of the Elantra) was one of the few that hit all the marks. We have a 2007 Hyundai Accent that we bought used and was going strong several years later. The good (if no-frills) experience with the Accent pretty much sealed the deal.

      Both cars are still doing just fine. The Accent has needed some body work, but that's more the fault of my son learning to drive than it is of the manufacturer. Both have been perfectly reliable inexpensive basic cars. Would buy again.

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  7. No Thanks by Drethon · · Score: 1

    I like my cruise control plenty fine but I don't want anything taking my focus off the road. Not to mention if they take the Airbus theory of automation (automation knows better than pilot) rather than the Boeing theory of automation (pilot can override automation at any time), I won't even sit in one of these cars. Of course I've flown in an Airbus but airplanes have a lot better known (or at least consistent) set of conditions than cars do.

    1. Re:No Thanks by fisted · · Score: 2

      You do realize that mere days ago someone used the autopilot to crash an Airbus into a mountain, while also overriding the cockpit door locks? How is that not the "Boeing [idea] of automation?"

    2. Re:No Thanks by mjwx · · Score: 1

      You do realize that mere days ago someone used the autopilot to crash an Airbus into a mountain, while also overriding the cockpit door locks? How is that not the "Boeing [idea] of automation?"

      As tragic as the Germanwings accident was, it should really be the last nail in the coffin that Airbus automation overrides the pilot.

      It was the same with AF447 (Airbus A330). The pilots turned off the autopilot and stall warning, then increased the angle of attack until it stalled. Both accidents were pilot error.

      That being said, Airbus and Boeing are both great manufacturers and anyone who'd hesitate to get on either one out of sheer fanboyism is a complete idiot and should be forced to fly on an old Tupolev.

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  8. surpassed Honda quality? I think NOT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have had 4 Hondas, and am now driving a 2013 Elantra.

    Sorry, not close, Honda is still better quality. The ride, the smoothness of the engine, all better for Honda.
    The Elantra with 30k mi has already seen problems that would have never been observed on a Honda product.

  9. big deal by ecorona · · Score: 1

    Is this the first car with this extent of automation? I'm totally geeking out about this. It seems like a bigger deal than everyone is letting on.

    1. Re:big deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rules for freeway driving:

      * Don't hit the car in front of you.
      * Don't hit the car beside you.

      HTH HAND.

    2. Re:big deal by PRMan · · Score: 1

      No. My 2014 Mercedes already won't hit the car in front of me on cruise control (unless it's an emergency stop situation or someone cuts you off hard from the lane next to you). This is slow continuous improvement.

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  10. Equus? by PPH · · Score: 3, Funny

    Get a horse!

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    1. Re:Equus? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      The ads will feature a reanimated Richard Burton.

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    2. Re:Equus? by schlachter · · Score: 1

      I hear the Mustang is nice.

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    3. Re:Equus? by mjwx · · Score: 1

      I hear the Mustang is nice.

      The Mustang is barely more advanced than a horse and doesn't smell much better (although that last point is mainly due to the odour of the owner).

      When Chevrolet relaunched the Camaro, they didn't do what Ford had been doing with the Mustang for 40 odd years by bolting it together out of old bits of Detroit. Instead they went overseas to find the talent and ingenuity needed to make a semi modern car. Yes, they went to Australia. The Camaro was based on a mediocre Australian car called the Commodore which had strange and wondrous things like multi-link suspension and a limited slip differential.

      And the Holden Commodore draws its roots back to the European Opel Senator which wasn't a good car at the best of times.

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  11. How to tell if it's working properly? by DJCouchyCouch · · Score: 1

    How can someone be sure that when the car is driving itself that it'll properly react to something that goes wrong? Let's say the system that follows the lane is fine but the system that is supposed to avoid sudden obstacles isn't. What can you do? How can you find out?

    1. Re:How to tell if it's working properly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "How can someone be sure that when the car is driving itself that it'll properly react to something that goes wrong? Let's say the system that follows the lane is fine but the system that is supposed to avoid sudden obstacles isn't. What can you do? How can you find out?"

      Just use your sex doll for something useful and let somebody throw it in front of your car.

      High end Mercedes, VW and BMW have had similar systems for years.

    2. Re:How to tell if it's working properly? by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Well, the sudden stop on impact should be a good indicator...

      Honestly though, a lot of it will likely be active monitoring. Software doesn't go bad - either it's the version released from the factory (easily tested via hash-check when starting) which will behave as designed, or it's not. If it's not, the car should refuse to run it. If there's a problem with the cameras/lidar/etc. that too should give some clear telltales. If the signal quality is not within expected parameters, or contradictory information is received from different sensors, the car can refuse to switch to automatic mode.

      Of course that doesn't *completely* eliminate the risk of unexpected malfunction - but you can never completely eliminate the risk from anything: so long as the malfunction risk is appreciably less than the risk of human error, its a net win. There may be some serious PR challenges after the first few inevitable accidents, but so long as the autonomous systems are demonstrably superior to your average driver I suspect that will blow over, though it may well slow adoption.

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    3. Re:How to tell if it's working properly? by Lodlaiden · · Score: 1

      I think the concern is more around sensors that provide input, such "big object ahead"!!! Sensors like that needs some form of validation routine that says "I can still see stuff"

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    4. Re:How to tell if it's working properly? by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Well, since none of the sensors will report "big object ahead", that shouldn't be a problem. They'll all report a 1- or 2-D map of quantized data, which the software will then analyze to make sense out of. So long as it continuously cross-compares data from different sensors and "panics" if there's a substantial discrepancy (camera sees something that lidar doesn't, etc) it should be okay.

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  12. Don't drive with your foot on the brake by hawguy · · Score: 2

    If you're driving down the highway with your foot on the brake, then you *need* one of these systems.

    1. Re:Don't drive with your foot on the brake by cusco · · Score: 1

      Or with the turn signal on . . .

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  13. How long? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How long before people start going into whole foods parking lots and slashing tires of car models known to be self driving?

  14. This could be loads of fun by overshoot · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have a new Subaru with their collision-avoidance system and by and large it's very nice, but its lane-boundary warning system can get ... confused by tar-patched road cracks and especially by rutted snow. Which is OK by me when it's just a warning but if the car decides to actually act on that it's going to be a wee bit exciting.

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  15. Autonomous Cars are Coming, Deal with It by DumbSwede · · Score: 2

    The journey to autonomous vehicles will probably be bumpy. Yes there will be lawsuits, yes sometimes the technology will misperform. It is possible that by relieving the driver of too many duties you encourage complacence that causes more accidents (or at least accidents to occur at times other than they would have, even if others are avoided).

    Likely how to deal with distracted semi-autonomous operators will evolve quickly.

    I have a neighbor with early onset Parkinson's disease, it would seem a good idea for his driving to have some sort of semi-autonomous assistance (yes he is still driving). How about the elderly? It is all fine and good to be indignant about the possible threat these vehicles pose (during a relatively short adoption period). But what about for those whose independence hinges on this sort of assist?

    Seems there are many who forbid any period of transition with a zero tolerance policy for any mishaps regardless of how many lives might be saved.

    I also assume the major auto makers who will be rolling these things out have lots a legal council and are being best advised on how to do so without being sued into bankruptcy after the first accident. The future is autonomous vehicles and the only way to be around 10 years from now as a car manufacturer is to get on the bandwagon early – despite the litigation risks.

    1. Re:Autonomous Cars are Coming, Deal with It by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Seems there are many who forbid any period of transition with a zero tolerance policy for any mishaps regardless of how many lives might be saved.

      Until you can prove the lives saved will outweigh any "mishaps", you're just blindly assuming the technology is a net benefit. In this case "mishap" could include major traffic accident resulting in death, so let's not downplay that to sound like it's just a technical glitch with no harm.

      And, really, if we're trading the independence of the old or disabled against the lives of others, I'm afraid we have to come down on the side of lives trumps independence.

      So you'll excuse some of us for saying "unless you have evidence this is very very safe, don't just tell us there's bound to be a few deaths until you work the kinks out".

      Since there are no statistics, and the companies selling these are motivated by their own profit ... taking them at their word seems stupid. You think we should just simply let Google say "it's safe, trust us"?

      Sorry, but no.

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    2. Re:Autonomous Cars are Coming, Deal with It by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Automakers have long dealt with lawsuits over their various poorly engineered "death traps" - it's just a cost of doing business, it's not going to send them to bankruptcy unless they're already barely holding on.

      I agree though that semi-antonymous/driving assisted vehicles have some serious attention issues. I rather like the current batch coming out though - if it can operate fully autonomously on the highway where things are relatively simple (and assuming it can handle crisis situations), then you relegate the driver to passenger status during that leg of their journey. That works - just make sure they're alert and at the wheel before control is handed back and there should be minimal issues. It may still only be semi-autonomous in a total-journey sense, but when it can take over, it can do so completely. Sort of like having a buddy in the car that will handle the highway driving for you.

      Anything that requires the drivenger to pay attention while the car does the work though - that's just a recipe for disaster.

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    3. Re:Autonomous Cars are Coming, Deal with It by cusco · · Score: 1

      Well, I know that 2/3 of the drivers in my neighborhood are idiots on the road (they may be great software engineers, but utter morons behind the wheel) I'm not terribly frightened by this technology. An autonomous vehicle that makes the wrong decision in 10% of situations will still be an improvement. I once saw one of my neighbor's kids BACKING UP on the freeway in rush hour traffic because he had missed his exit. I can pretty much guarantee that Hyundai's car won't do that.

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    4. Re:Autonomous Cars are Coming, Deal with It by ewibble · · Score: 1

      10% of the situations is an incredibly bad percentage, and there are levels of bad as well, humans are not good at making perfect decisions but they are usually good enough. You make many decisions when you drive, hundreds if not thousand, most of them unconscious, If you died 1 out 10 times you would probably not make it down a good size street.

      Put it this way, if I died when my computer crashed, I would most certainly dead within a year.

  16. Car vs cops by OzPeter · · Score: 1

    Just today I saw this story Vegas woman gets $200 distracted driving ticket for applying lip balm at a red light. Apparently in Vegas the law is pretty vague, but strictly enforced.

    “[The ordinance] states that when a person is operating a vehicle they must provide full attention to the driving so that it won’t render that action to be unsafe

    So the big question is how would that law treat a car which drives itself? And how will cops make a decision whether behavior of the person in the drivers seat counts as distracted driving or is simply the person taking advantage of an autonomous mode? I can see a lot of people being pulled over and booked when they were not actually driving the car. And even if cops can recognize an autonomous car, how do they know what mode it was driving in?

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    1. Re:Car vs cops by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Well, It would seem reasonable to argue that if the car is driving itself in fully autonomous mode, then you are not operating it. Would you charge a passenger with distracted driving?

      As for recognizing the system in action... that's a reasonable issue. Perhaps indicators could be installed - sort of like "student driver" signs on training cars. Switch on autonomous mode and the signs light up, letting everyone around you know that this car is not under human control. Be great for DUIs as well, especially assuming a "black box" that can prove you you haven't taken manual control of the vehicle in the last X hours.

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    2. Re:Car vs cops by HornWumpus · · Score: 0

      DUIs are a cash cow. They aren't going anywhere and haven't been about safety sense 0.010 or earlier.

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    3. Re:Car vs cops by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      Well, It would seem reasonable to argue that if the car is driving itself in fully autonomous mode

      There is the rub. So far every automated vehicle such as Google's has to have a driver ready to take over when the vehicle AI can not deal with a situation. While the vehicle can handle most situations on a well scanned road there are many that it can not handle. The question is when will we get to fully autonomous cars. The current state of the art can not even recognize a traffic signal without having information on exactly where to look. Google does this by pre-scanning the road and having a human mark all the traffic lights and what they are associated with.

      Be great for DUIs as well,

      Not for a while, as currently, there has to be a diver in charge of the vehicle and ready to take over. Whether or not the driver did take over is irrelevant to the law. Someone still has to have responsibility for the vehicle and one can not be drunk while doing it.

  17. This has already been done years ago by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

    at least it seems that way observing the driving habits of those around me.

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  18. Submitter knows nothing. by Dishevel · · Score: 1
    Equus will not be released. It is the Equis, and it already exists. They are just going to put this tech in it.

    Fucking slashdot.

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    1. Re:Submitter knows nothing. by gandalfu · · Score: 1

      The model name is Equus. https://www.hyundaiusa.com/equ...

  19. I've got a 2006 Tiburon GT V6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Barely 30k miles on it in a decade++ now, & it's been GREAT (even reviewed well in "Top Gear" on the T.V. & here https://www.youtube.com/watch?... & he elevated that estimate to "VERY GOOD" in that link...as, close as I can quote from TOP GEAR his estimation was "This is a GOOD car, & I don't mean one for 20 grand, but just a good car!" by Richard Hammond (vs. an Acura Legend iirc)).

    * I love the thing - fast as hell AND quick (I chose a 'stick' model vs. automatic + I replaced the 1 part I know of they made a 'mistake' on, in a 2 piece clutch assembly, going with an aftermarket SINGLE design that had no such issues).

    Since I went out of warranty, I put on a cold-air intake + TRUE Dual Exhaust & she got better on mileage AND low-end power too - best things you can do to these 'rice-rockets' for the money/best bang for the buck imo & experience!

    (Put her up to 145mph before, NO sweat...)

    APK

    P.S.=> I've owned my share of "hotrods" & "sportscars" in my day, & ONLY other one I like more? A 1972 Chevelle SS I had (it was a BRUTE, but lousy on gas mileage)... apk

  20. Re:surpassed Honda quality? I think NOT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And I had driven nothing but Hondas all my life until they were butchered which led me to get a Hyundai. I got the car specifically because it felt and drove the way Hondas used to be.

    Maybe you got a bad car but the ride, engine smoothness, etc in my Hyundai is superb.

  21. Re:surpassed Honda quality? I think NOT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was cheaper, so the value is there, but they have a few years to go on the engineering.

  22. How Will It Handle Drivers That Fall Asleep? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Highway driving, especially at night, is wonderful for drowsy drivers. Give the option to not even do anything and they will soon be fast asleep as the car barrels down the highway.

    Miss an exit? Run out of gas? How will the car know when to wake the driver up if they aren't doing anything?

    I'm sure they thought of this, but it does seem like a possible trouble point.

    My exit is in ten miles... I'll just close my eyes for a bit... And then 200 miles later...

    1. Re:How Will It Handle Drivers That Fall Asleep? by bmo · · Score: 1

      How will the car know when to wake the driver up

      You mean as opposed to now?

      I used to fall asleep every morning on the way to work because I had two jobs and school. Without rumble strips I'd be dead.

      Semi-autonomous driving would have been safer.

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    2. Re:How Will It Handle Drivers That Fall Asleep? by bmo · · Score: 1

      Follow-up...

      My exit is in ten miles... I'll just close my eyes for a bit... And then 200 miles later...

      IKR!?

      >going to new job
      >see road sign "welcome to new hampshire"

      I was supposed to be in Uxbridge MA.

      From Rhode Island.

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    3. Re:How Will It Handle Drivers That Fall Asleep? by PPH · · Score: 1

      A computer generated voice: "Next exit, one mile."

      "Next exit, one half mile."
      "Next exit, one quarter mile."
      "Next exit, one eighth mile."
      "Next exit, one sixteenth mile."
      "Next exit, one thirty-second mile."
      .....

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  23. What's really funny is... by Last_Available_Usern · · Score: 3, Interesting

    These kind of features might actually make people more aware while driving because they'll be so scared the car is going to make a mistake that they won't have time to goof around on their cell phone.

    1. Re:What's really funny is... by ewibble · · Score: 1

      Initially maybe? but that will soon pass.

  24. Mercedes already has autonomous drive out in the m by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  25. It's a robot by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Part of the definition is that robots have to make some decisions for themselves...

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  26. Feet off the brakes? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

    feet off the brakes during highway driving.

    Firstly - feet, plural?

    Secondly, you don't usually need to have even one foot on the brake pedal. In fact, I think some cars even let you drive without a foot on the accelerator...

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    1. Re:Feet off the brakes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair, it said brakes, plural. Many vehicles have a pedal emergency brake, and it is typically operated by the left foot. So it is entirely possible to have the left foot on the e-brake, and a right foot on the service brake. Thus technically possible to legitimately drive with two feet on the brakes without getting a driving instructor pissed off.

    2. Re:Feet off the brakes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To TRULY be fair, the use of the term "brakes" does not denote the number of different kinds of braking systems available. It denotes that more than one wheel or axle has a brake on it. Indeed, back in the day, cars may have only had rear brakes with a single drum/disc near the center of the axle. ATVs and go karts still often use this method because it's cheap. I'm more willing to bet though that the author of the article either had a typo or is ignorant on the usage of the term.

  27. I would never trust Hyundai with software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I have a 2013 Veloster.

    It has a radio/mp3 player/whatever console in the center.

    It won't resume playback of MP3s after the car resets (always begins at the beginning of the first track). It won't retain stereo settings. The clock loses minutes. The shuffle isn't random. Despite having at least a half dozen buttons and two knobs, it doesn't use any of them for UI interaction (always requires touch). A lot of the buttons (soft and hard) are about as far from the driver's reach as possible. The screen is way too bright at night even on its lowest setting and does not obey the dash light dimmer (neither do a few other controls). You can't turn the screen off and still play music.

    The whole thing is running on a 2005 version of Windows CE.

    It sucks. Chevy's equipment is way better, according to some rental cars I've had recently.

  28. Additionally: On Rust? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    None. No hassles due to rustproofing applied @ purchase (after market) & solid as a rock - Jet Black Metallic paint, oem, kept washed + most importantly, waxed (good stuff, carnuba works for me).

    (Think I made a mistake in my last post too - was it a 2 piece flywheel? I think so - not "2 piece clutch assembly" iirc (been many years since the repair)).

    I've run it on Mobil 1 Synthetic & Purolator PURE1 filters (magnetic particle banded gets metal particles out better iirc) & it's been "babied" the entire time (only 30k miles/10 yr. old++ sportscar).

    APK

    P.S.=> I really like it - it's fun, above ALL else, good on gas too, yet fast & powerful (stick helps), + easy to insure (especially now due to age, but no miles!!!) - what's not to like, was a great buy... apk

    1. Re:Additionally: On Rust? by dave420 · · Score: 1

      It's good to see you post something which wasn't unadulterated spam. Nicely done.

    2. Re:Additionally: On Rust? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're still around here trolling I see. Get on topic for once.

  29. Simple solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Put a spike in the steering wheel.

  30. WoW Driving! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I run my TradeSkillMaster routines for posting my auctions on World of Warcraft while I sit in traffic jams. You hate people like me but you can't do anything about it!

  31. Re:surpassed Honda quality? I think NOT by SeaFox · · Score: 1

    When was it that Hondas began to get "butchered"?

    I ask a a current Honda driver who's going to have to get a new car soon.

  32. Re: surpassed Honda quality? I think NOT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My 07 civic SI runs great, but rattles and squeaks like a 50 year old pickup, even with all new suspension, bushings, tie rods, ball joints, bearings, control arm links, etc...