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Hyundai To Release "Semi-Autonomous" Car This Year
jfruh writes While self-driving cars from Google and others remain in the prototype stage, Korean carmaker Hyundai intends to release a premium sedan called the Equus this year that includes self-driving features. While a car's ability to navigate complex urban environments on its own is still a ways off, the Equus will allow the driver to take their hands off the wheel and feet off the brakes during highway driving.
It starts some days, if it feels like it.
Im quite familiar with Hyundai's semi-autonymous technology as they pioneered it 30 some years ago. The vehicle was capable of fully automatic shutdowns. Headlights, turn signals, brakes, you name it and this car would take care of it. At one point the vehicle, obviously sensing some mortal danger or impending disaster, pro-actively jetissoned the clutch into a stream of highway traffic in what I can only assume to this day saved my life from a bond villains clutches.
Good people go to bed earlier.
From the people inside the car, the people in the cars in front, the cyclists riding on the shoulder, and the non-cautious pedestrians. A big pie with large pieces for everyone!
A new subtype of lawyers will be born: the self-driving car chasers.
Hyundais are so narcoleptically boring to drive they might as well just drive themselves and let the owner take a nap. Equally true for Toyota and Honda, even though Hyundai is Korean and the other two Japanese.
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Lane following in good weather on well marked restricted entry freeways is pretty simple these days. Please note all the qualifications in that statement.
I like my cruise control plenty fine but I don't want anything taking my focus off the road. Not to mention if they take the Airbus theory of automation (automation knows better than pilot) rather than the Boeing theory of automation (pilot can override automation at any time), I won't even sit in one of these cars. Of course I've flown in an Airbus but airplanes have a lot better known (or at least consistent) set of conditions than cars do.
Is this the first car with this extent of automation? I'm totally geeking out about this. It seems like a bigger deal than everyone is letting on.
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Have gnu, will travel.
How can someone be sure that when the car is driving itself that it'll properly react to something that goes wrong? Let's say the system that follows the lane is fine but the system that is supposed to avoid sudden obstacles isn't. What can you do? How can you find out?
If you're driving down the highway with your foot on the brake, then you *need* one of these systems.
The Hyundai, make nice looking cars with a lot of features that make them seem like they can compete against the big luxury names... However the features/price comes at a cost of vehicle quality.
I actually wish I could find, a basic Car, without any fancy features just, do what a car does, and do it well.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
I have a new Subaru with their collision-avoidance system and by and large it's very nice, but its lane-boundary warning system can get ... confused by tar-patched road cracks and especially by rutted snow. Which is OK by me when it's just a warning but if the car decides to actually act on that it's going to be a wee bit exciting.
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The journey to autonomous vehicles will probably be bumpy. Yes there will be lawsuits, yes sometimes the technology will misperform. It is possible that by relieving the driver of too many duties you encourage complacence that causes more accidents (or at least accidents to occur at times other than they would have, even if others are avoided).
Likely how to deal with distracted semi-autonomous operators will evolve quickly.
I have a neighbor with early onset Parkinson's disease, it would seem a good idea for his driving to have some sort of semi-autonomous assistance (yes he is still driving). How about the elderly? It is all fine and good to be indignant about the possible threat these vehicles pose (during a relatively short adoption period). But what about for those whose independence hinges on this sort of assist?
Seems there are many who forbid any period of transition with a zero tolerance policy for any mishaps regardless of how many lives might be saved.
I also assume the major auto makers who will be rolling these things out have lots a legal council and are being best advised on how to do so without being sued into bankruptcy after the first accident. The future is autonomous vehicles and the only way to be around 10 years from now as a car manufacturer is to get on the bandwagon early – despite the litigation risks.
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Just today I saw this story Vegas woman gets $200 distracted driving ticket for applying lip balm at a red light. Apparently in Vegas the law is pretty vague, but strictly enforced.
“[The ordinance] states that when a person is operating a vehicle they must provide full attention to the driving so that it won’t render that action to be unsafe
So the big question is how would that law treat a car which drives itself? And how will cops make a decision whether behavior of the person in the drivers seat counts as distracted driving or is simply the person taking advantage of an autonomous mode? I can see a lot of people being pulled over and booked when they were not actually driving the car. And even if cops can recognize an autonomous car, how do they know what mode it was driving in?
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at least it seems that way observing the driving habits of those around me.
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Fucking slashdot.
Why is it so hard to only have politicians for a few years, then have them go away?
What you want is an 8th gen Civic. With a B engine, Best car ever made.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
I wish they still made the Toyota HiLux pickup, the Toyota mini-van and the VW Rabbit (and Rabbit Pickup) in their original no-frills configurations. There's a lot to be said about a vehicle that you can beat the crap out of for a decade and fix with hand tools.
"Think about how stupid the average person is. Now, realise that half of them are dumber than that." - George Carlin
Highway driving, especially at night, is wonderful for drowsy drivers. Give the option to not even do anything and they will soon be fast asleep as the car barrels down the highway.
Miss an exit? Run out of gas? How will the car know when to wake the driver up if they aren't doing anything?
I'm sure they thought of this, but it does seem like a possible trouble point.
My exit is in ten miles... I'll just close my eyes for a bit... And then 200 miles later...
These kind of features might actually make people more aware while driving because they'll be so scared the car is going to make a mistake that they won't have time to goof around on their cell phone.
Part of the definition is that robots have to make some decisions for themselves...
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
feet off the brakes during highway driving.
Firstly - feet, plural?
Secondly, you don't usually need to have even one foot on the brake pedal. In fact, I think some cars even let you drive without a foot on the accelerator...
systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
I actually wish I could find, a basic Car, without any fancy features just, do what a car does, and do it well.
1981-1985 Mercedes-Benz W126 300SD, 280SE, 300SE, in base trim. 100% high strength steel, available but optional ABS and driver's side airbag, great weight distribution, rigid chassis, great Bendix 4-wheel disc brakes. Seats four comfortably and five in a pinch, massive trunk, easy to work on as long as you stick with inline motors whether gas or diesel. Spend around $8k to get a really nice example with everything working. Parts are cheap on eBay and documentation is easy to come by free online. The car is even quite safe, which is unusual in vehicles of that age. It's from the dawn of crumple zones, and it's made of 100% high strength steel (Except the aluminum hood and trunk lids on diesels and the AMG model) and has a nice long hood and trunk.
There's nothing more expensive than a cheap Mercedes, but if you spend a decent amount on a quality example up front then these cars are very reliable and honestly inexpensive to maintain. They are at the sweet spot between after Mercedes got their act together regarding switch gear not disintegrating and so on, but before they started cheaping everything out while simultaneously stuffing it with electronics.
W140 Mercedes, the big swoopy ones that came after that, are some of the least reliable cars ever. Pretty funny.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Eurotaxis are reliable as shit. But you have to drive a big ol Benz with a lame diesel.
What you really want is the 450SEL with the 6.9 liter V8.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
I have a 2013 Veloster.
It has a radio/mp3 player/whatever console in the center.
It won't resume playback of MP3s after the car resets (always begins at the beginning of the first track). It won't retain stereo settings. The clock loses minutes. The shuffle isn't random. Despite having at least a half dozen buttons and two knobs, it doesn't use any of them for UI interaction (always requires touch). A lot of the buttons (soft and hard) are about as far from the driver's reach as possible. The screen is way too bright at night even on its lowest setting and does not obey the dash light dimmer (neither do a few other controls). You can't turn the screen off and still play music.
The whole thing is running on a 2005 version of Windows CE.
It sucks. Chevy's equipment is way better, according to some rental cars I've had recently.
Eurotaxis are reliable as shit. But you have to drive a big ol Benz with a lame diesel.
Hahahaha "lame diesel". An old, tired, stock one will be a bit anemic. Throw away the EGR which probably doesn't work any more anyway, rebuild the turbo, and dial the wastegate up to 12, then tell me how lame the OM617 is. While you're at it, make sure the valves are adjusted. The V8 is faster no question, but the diesel is fast enough for any typical purpose (more than fast enough to get speeding tickets) and will get you minimum twice the mileage. Even if money is no object to you, range is relevant.
And if money is no object, you can pump that diesel way way up. Some have done it. It's a seriously butch motor, seriously overbuilt for car use.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
When was it that Hondas began to get "butchered"?
I ask a a current Honda driver who's going to have to get a new car soon.
It's good to see you post something which wasn't unadulterated spam. Nicely done.
They were built to go 300,000 with sand down the intake. You can thump up any motor. What do you think the 6.9 is capable of with a big stick cam (besides emptying your wallet)?
You would be a fool to 'hotrod' any Benz, unless you live in Germany. Chevy parts are 1/10 the cost.
You can keep the 80s tech diesels. Heavy motors in heavier cars. Pigs in a corner.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
You can thump up any motor. What do you think the 6.9 is capable of with a big stick cam (besides emptying your wallet)?
Disintegration. It's not built anything like the OM617 is, which is really a sort of industrial/truck motor and not a car engine at all. The W126 just has a truly massive engine bay.
You would be a fool to 'hotrod' any Benz, unless you live in Germany. Chevy parts are 1/10 the cost.
So swap a Chevy engine into the Benz. There's a massive assload of room up there, because there's room for a big DOHC V8. I bet you could fit an LS7 without cutting, with the right pipes.
You can keep the 80s tech diesels. Heavy motors in heavier cars. Pigs in a corner.
How is 3475 wet-and-ready heavy? That's in Rustang or Camaro territory, or the same as a 300ZX. You don't seem to know that Mercedes knocked literally 1,000 pounds off the W126 as compared to the W116. The modern equivalent is damned near 5,000 pounds and literally all of the competition is over 4,000, then or now. They also pumped 1,000 pounds of crap (mostly asphalt and computers) right back into the W140.
The W126 is an astonishingly lightweight and rigid car, even with the diesel motor. And since the 1981-1985 300SD is a pre-smog diesel, there's no smog checks and you can swap in anything you like without worrying. Anybody who lets one of these bodies hit the wrecker is an ass. It's not just the end of an era, it's an era unto itself.
The only thing wrong with the W126 is that if you lower it you have to dick around with the rear suspension, because it's a semi-trailing-arm. I have this idea that a modified C4 Corvette rear subframe with a coil conversion would fit, but I haven't tested it.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Sounds like you want a Hyundai. No, seriously.
Two years ago I was looking for a basic car. I had three hard requirements: 30 or better MPG; can seat a 6-foot tall person (my 15 year old son) in the back seat *comfortably* for long trips; and priced under $20K. The Hyundai Elantra GT (the hatchback version of the Elantra) was one of the few that hit all the marks. We have a 2007 Hyundai Accent that we bought used and was going strong several years later. The good (if no-frills) experience with the Accent pretty much sealed the deal.
Both cars are still doing just fine. The Accent has needed some body work, but that's more the fault of my son learning to drive than it is of the manufacturer. Both have been perfectly reliable inexpensive basic cars. Would buy again.
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I give up on debugging. From now on, SIGSEGV is a feature.