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French Intelligence Bill: 5 Web Hosting Providers Threaten To Leave the Country
albert555 (3986073) writes Five popular French web hosting providers, including Gandi and OVH, said on Thursday that the new French intelligence bill might push them to leave the country (French) in order not to lose their customers. The five companies are protesting against the "real-time capture of data connection" and their analysis by the intelligence services using "+black boxes+ with blurred lines". The web hosting providers believe that this project "will not reach its goal and will potentially put every French citizen under surveillance, that will result in the destruction of a major segment of the economy of our country," by pushing their customers to turn to other less intrusive territories. If the bill is passed as it is, "we have to move our infrastructure, our investments and our employees where our customers want to work with us". The companies have provided a listing of dozen cities where they "will suppress jobs instead of creating new ones."; "These are thousands of jobs (...) that startups and large companies will also create elsewhere," they add. The press release was addressed to the French Prime Minister, Manuel Valls, and was co-signed by Gandu, OVH, IDS, Ikoula and Lomaco.
The cowardly French companies are running away!
Don't blame them a bit.. It's not gonna be long before that starts happening in the USA... if it hasn't already...
THANK YOU, Edward Snowden!! Americans owe you a debt of gratitude (whether they know it or not..)
Actually, you could see it as fighting: They put pressure on their government, which is one of the ways companies can yield power over governments. So, yes, they will "run away", but not without making a point first.
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Why do the policiians not realize that the tools they are giving can and will be misused and abused and that those same politicians are very likely to be the targets of that misuse?
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
That's different, because it's patriotic.
What are you doing in England, then?
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Not sure which provider your comment is aimed at but i use gandi and there are no cloud server options for the UK.
Just like all countries are now running away from deals with American businesses because of NSA backdoors...
This has been happening for a while now. I'm Canadian and I stopped using USA-based hosts almost a decade ago.
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Black Box Blurred Lines.
I think I prefer the former.
I use the UK to annoy the US. We had a shorter copyright term for music here (Recently extended, so nothing more expiring for twenty years) than in the US, so I put up a big collection of public-domain-in-the-UK music. Hosted in the UK, by a UK company, serving a UK citizen. I've not recieved any legal threats yet.
I put up some adverts just to see what sort of money it would make. Not a lot: In the year or so it's been up, I made about three quid.
Soon there will be a Walmart in every town, a Starbucks on every street corner and the police will stop and frisk minorities with bullets.
At this point, the only real option is to assume that all traffic on the public internet is being monitored by at least one government, if not more. Good reason to use encryption - and don't store anything confidential unencrypted on a computer you have not got physical control over.
Funny the French are cowards for not supporting the Iraq war. How unpatriotic and muslim loving ...
But today seems like the French had a brain while the Americans were flying their flag singing patriotism under the scope of insane nationalism and didn't even realize they were manipulated.
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It's only a democratic country because there can vote for the king, but the king choose the ministers and the ministers can do anything. The parliament is a joke to keep some credibility that some discussion exists. The citizen are left with there problems and never take seriously.
All nation's gov are monitoring the net. So many idiots scream about America, but the fact is, that all of Europe, China, Russia, Japan, South Korea, Brazil, India, etc have been caught monitoring data and lines. There are LOADS of enemies out there, and every nation's gov wants to know what is going on.
If these host providers move anywhere on ANY LAND, they will be monitored. The ONLY way to avoid it, is to put your own sat network up there and beam down to others.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
run WHERE? To Russia? Or China? Yeah, no monitoring going on there.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
But today seems like the French had a brain while the Americans were flying their flag singing patriotism under the scope of insane nationalism and didn't even realize they were manipulated.
So what you're saying is that you couldn't bother yourself to read the summary or the article, right?
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
That doesn't mean your traffic doesn't go through US routers. Your little chat with your next door neighbor might travel around the world before it gets to its destination. And besides, the Canadians aren't really any better than anybody else. They just don't talk about it much.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
They can lay this crap on the service providers. Where are they going to go? And besides, the public keeps voting for it, indicating that the people who don't like it are a tiny minority, despite what the bullshit media polls will tell you.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
They make for very good clients in the weapons trade, so they can't be that poor.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Hopefully your hosts aren't based in Canada, because we have the privilege of volunteering to do that small set of 'things' that the US spy agencies decide would be too politically damaging to be caught doing themselves.
But it's ok, because our press is too polite to report on such things. It wouldn't be proper.
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Yeah, but is it statistically noticeable? And since American business is so heavily invested overseas, what difference does it make?
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
That's the only reason we can still travel while the commie countries had their subjects locked in: There's no "west" we could run to.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
There's plenty of room in their Beauharnois datacenter just outside of Montreal here in Canada, we'd be happy to have more of OVH's business here :)
We're part of "5 Eyes". Just like we participated in Echelon.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
As in https://www.gandi.net/. They have data centers in the US and Luxembourg in addition to France. They started out as a domain registrar in Paris, and now do quite a bit of Xen hosting business.
That's why Japan and the UK are laying an undersea cable across the pole. Unless you use satellites only (fat chance - latency sucks) anything going from north america to elsewhere is going to go through the US on it's way undersea.
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That's why Japan and the UK are laying an undersea cable across the pole.
With the same gov/com 'oversight' all other communications have. The debate over spying is over. It will not stop, or even slow down, quite the opposite. Until all the chatter is reflected in the vote, it is all just chatter. However, I am not against 'fattening the pipe' so to speak. A bit of load relief can't hurt. Let's see if it reduces the price.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
You are not annoying the US in any way. The fact is you are a insignificant grain of sand on the beach. The hysteria around the NSA has become absurd. Since this is supposed to be a technical discussion web site why doesn't someone do the math and determine exactly how much storage space would be required to capture and save just one day's worth of Internet traffic? Multiply that figure by 365 to see storage need for just one year. Once you finish your rough calculations visualize the infrastructure and technologies that would be need to handle this amount of data and the number of in-house and contract IT specialists needed to run such an operation. Add in the fact that in all the classified information release there has not been any implementation or technical details in any of the documents. The vast majority of release documents look more like the kind of information used in presentations to non-technical audiences in order to secure future funding. Now realize that the NSA has approximately 50,000 employees and that figure includes everyone from the secretarial, office management, in-house analyst, and field operators. When all is said and done the NSA is forced to concentrate their efforts on a very select group of people. US satellites have the ability to conduct surveillance and store images on anything of interest any place on earth but those satellites are also forced to concentrate on very small areas for very targeted a purpose. The screeching uproar about the NSA has been about not what they have done but what they could do with their capabilities. There has not been one single case in the US where a US citizen has had their rights violated and suffered any harm from those violations. The only example of the NSA going after someone has been related to a US citizen who released classified material and broken both minor and major US laws. As far as the NSA foreign operations go they are not constrained by the US Constitution or any other US law. All the other foreign intelligence services operate in the same manner. If you want to complain about the NSA foreign operations you better include at least the FSB, MSS,DGSE, Mossad, BND, MOIS, and MI6 in your discussions because until you do your complaints and criticisms of the NSA are meaningless and serve only to blur the context in which all these services operate. I neither support or condemn the NSA or the government in general but I do condemn those who offer up incomplete and often totally false information to support their rants.
The organisation Human Rights Watch (HRW) expressed reservations on Tuesday 7 April; they believe the bill could open the back door to a surveillance society... aehm cough cough a little late to be giving comments like that, mentinks the barn door to that society is already wide open and people of the world who wish to be free are scrambling to close that door while the sheeple happily plod along in their own little happy world populated by the latest gossip about reality stars of no significance other that creating a mesmerizing circus to hold captive the mere second short attention span of the slaves so as to make sure they won't figure out what is going on around them every day...
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run WHERE? To Russia? Or China? Yeah, no monitoring going on there.
OVH is based in the North of France and has mentioned they would move to Belgium. This is one of the biggest hoster in Europe, so it could be a big deal.
Gandi, which is one of the biggest Registrar in Europe, has said it would move to Switzerland.
I don't know about the others.
The right to offend is far more important than the right not to be offended. (Rowan Atkinson)
These companies already have a sgnificant presence (data centers) in other european countries.
There are countries, in Europe, that protect their citizen's privacy a lot better than France. Germany comes to mind, for instance.
Plus, apart from the existing infrastructure, nothing is going to prevent these companies from moving -- a data center is a data center, anywhere in the world.
The right to offend is far more important than the right not to be offended. (Rowan Atkinson)
Every single factual statement you've made is incorrect and you've shown NO EVIDENCE AT ALL to back up your ridiculous claims.
I dismiss them with prejudice.
Liberty.
The "socialist" french government does not give a s**t about its citizen's opinion, but it seems to be very vigilant about what corporations want.
Yes, it is completing ignoring anything our spy agency does. The RCMP does welcome whatever information it passes to it [course, the FBI gets the information first].
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The cowardly French companies are running away!
The interest question is where are the going to run to? With alleged free world leader america now violating the right to privacy on epic scale.. who isn't going to follow suit? Even fricken Canada is spying on everyone now. (part of five eyes). I'm old enough to remember when we used mock the Soviets as oppressive for doing this sort of thing. Now we are doing it. Instead of taking s strong stance against it, our own government is behavior like intelligence wing of the Comitern. And it isn't even a partisan thing. Most of the core figures of both Republican and Democratic party support this behavior. Apparently they not believe mass surveillance is "human rights". Thus the only way to end this behavior isn't waiting around for our megalomaniac politicians to stop it. The way to do it is to support private sector companies that produce technology that simply does not allow for backdoor. Politicians can pass the laws they want... but they cannot overrule the laws of mathematics.
Granted the post was of rambling nature but what factual statements are you contesting? The number of NSA employees? The lack of discussions about the type of IT infrastructure needed to do some of things being attributed to them? Or was bringing up that the NSA has never operated in a vacuum and that any changes in the organizations mandate should not leave the US vulnerable to all the other foreign intelligence agencies operating in the world. Not saying changes are not warranted but those changes should be balanced in such a manner that US security is not jeopardized.
1 I assume they will not go to USA, UK, New Zealand, Australia, Canada; or Germany (who while not the sixth eye are very close to it; and have or other internatioal major countries.
2. Perhaps to ? Let's have your guesses as they need to sell to paying customers
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Oh, so you'd prefer it the way it is currently? (where GCHQ and the NSA get their hands on your packets)
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