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ESPN Sues Verizon To Stop New Sports-Free TV Bundles

Mr D from 63 writes: ESPN isn't a fan of Verizon's new way of offering cable channels under its Fios TV service — they're now suing Verizon for it. The lawsuit comes after Verizon unveiled new bundles that allow customers to choose specific packages of channels that can be swapped every 30 days. ESPN claims this offer is not in compliance with their agreements with Verizon. In the U.S., ESPN depends heavily on viewership during the football season, then basketball. "ESPN is at the forefront of embracing innovative ways to deliver high-quality content and value to consumers on multiple platforms, but that must be done in compliance with our agreements," said an ESPN spokeswoman in a statement. "We simply ask that Verizon abide by the terms of our contracts."

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  1. well then it's a bad contract by roman_mir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If Verizon is in fact breaking a contract it has with ESPN then all I can say is that it is a horrible contract.

    I don't watch TV, haven't for more years than I can remember, I don't care for commercials and I don't care for the content. I have 0 (zero) interest in watching any sports on TV whatsoever, never had any interest in watching sports, never will have any interest in watching sports.

    Just saying, forcing somebody like me to sign up for a service that provides sports information as part of the package is a 100% way to have me avoid that service.

    1. Re:well then it's a bad contract by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Forced inclusion of expensive channels that I never watch was the primary driver of me dropping my cable sub. I was thinking about doing Dish's Sling TV, but it has guess what as part of the base package? ESPN. I don't want to give that fucking company a dime, even if Sling TV is cheap.

    2. Re:well then it's a bad contract by ArhcAngel · · Score: 5, Informative

      Disney (they own ESPN) has always negotiated the contract such that if you want to purchase ESPN you must purchase ALL of ESPN's channels. Oh, and if you offer it on your base tier package then you must offer all of it on the base tier package.

      Don't like it? Fine no Disney/ABC/ESPN channels for you! And no Marvel or Star Wars titles. And no Muppets while we're at it. You want to tell your kid he can't watch Disney because YOU wouldn't pay for ESPN Classic?

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    3. Re:well then it's a bad contract by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

      Why make your kids cry? www.thepiratebay...

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    4. Re:well then it's a bad contract by JimFive · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The fact that both parties agreed to it does not mean that it isn't a horrible contract. People sometimes agree to things that turn out to be bad.
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    5. Re:well then it's a bad contract by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What planet are you on?

    6. Re:well then it's a bad contract by pnutjam · · Score: 2

      They should vilify ESPN and make it seem like they won't ever agree to sane contracts and imply they are destroying the industry. Probably true in this case, but even if it's not, it worked on Unions.

    7. Re:well then it's a bad contract by chipschap · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, it doesn't apply, and that's the point. This person, like myself, avoids TV, because I simply don't want to pay for all this stuff. I might pay for/watch TV if companies offered me acceptable choices.

    8. Re:well then it's a bad contract by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's not a horrible contract if both parties agreed to it

      It's a horrible contract if it purports to require that consumers pay ESPN even if they don't want it. In fact, that's arguably illegal.

      It's not good for the customer, but no one is forced to sign up for cable

      Seriously? That's the best you have? It's OK for asshole cable companies to force you to buy something you don't want, and if you don't like that you're free to not have cable at all?

      Complete and utter fucking nonsense.

      Sorry, but ESPN has no legal standing to force the consumers of Verizon to essentially have a package which kicks back to ESPN.

      That should get you a RICO conviction. Because if someone says "oh, sorry, but we have a contract with my cousin Vinnie, and you have to pay him every time you buy something from us".

      Yeah, sorry. fuck that.

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    9. Re:well then it's a bad contract by edawstwin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's horrible to you, but illegal? Which law or case establishes that?

      And yes, personal choice is the best that I have. I cut the cable cord years ago. How is that nonsense? At least in the US we have a choice about what we pay for (probably in other countries too, but you never know). Bundling is common with many things, and has been the standard in the cable industry since its inception. How is this any different? It's suddenly illegal and falls under RICO? How many legal dramas do you watch?

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    10. Re:well then it's a bad contract by SeaFox · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If Verizon is in fact breaking a contract it has with ESPN then all I can say is that it is a horrible contract.

      It's nothing new. The NFL Network did (and probably still does) something similar. They had a contractual requirement that they be part of the "basic cable" package and not a special sports tier, and at the same time wanted to get paid per viewer, which means that they get paid for every subscriber that a carrier has, regardless of whether they want the channel or not.

      ESPN and Verizon both realize the same thing, lots of people don't care about sports and lots of people are aware that ESPN is one of the most expensive channels to carry. Consumers want out of paying for crap they don't care about, Verizon wants to hold onto video subscribers, and ESPN wants to keep their gravy train rolling.

    11. Re:well then it's a bad contract by JimFive · · Score: 2

      You seem to be using the term "bad contract" as if it is some sort of term of art in contract law. I don't think anyone is saying that the contract is bad as in unenforceable, I think they're saying it's bad as in it was a bad decision to agree to it.
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    12. Re:well then it's a bad contract by roman_mir · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Wrong, maybe I would subscribe and watch TV if and only if it was something I found entertaining, convenient and at a correct price.

      Give me a service I want to buy and then I can be a customer again, but I voted with my money, so don't you fucking tell me what I can and cannot say.

    13. Re:well then it's a bad contract by TWX · · Score: 2

      It's not a horrible contract if both parties agreed to it. It's not good for the customer, but no one is forced to sign up for cable. I understand why ESPN would want that language in there because if I were interested only in football, I could subscribe for those five months and not the others. What ESPN wants is my money year-round, and it sounds like Verizon agreed to promise ESPN just that by signing the contract. Maybe it says something different as Verizon claims, but ultimately I fear there will just be some settlement and we'll go back to the status quo.

      This is actually why I don't have cable TV. I do not want to pay for a hundred channels when I want to watch five, and given how so many of the channels that I used to enjoy like Discovery, History, Learning, Scifi, have all gone lowest-common-denominator for their programming, I don't have a lot of reason to watch those channels either anymore.

      I was about ten years too late when I was free to make my own television choices; I would have loved C-band satellite where one could subscribe to the channels one wanted and only those channels, as opposed to being stuck with packages. If ESPN's business model collapses when consumers are not forced to pay for their service whether they use it or not, then their business model is flawed and deserves to collapse.

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    14. Re:well then it's a bad contract by roman_mir · · Score: 2

      You want to tell your kid he can't watch Disney because YOU wouldn't pay for ESPN Classic?

      - yes.

    15. Re:well then it's a bad contract by RavenLrD20k · · Score: 2

      Don't like it? Fine no Disney/ABC/ESPN channels for you! And no Marvel or Star Wars titles. And no Muppets while we're at it.

      And nothing of value was lost... (I was almost going to say "except for maybe the Marvel movies", but then I realized: outside of their initial theater runs, I've not watched a damn one of them aside from filler noise at friends houses, and I have no desire to.)

    16. Re:well then it's a bad contract by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 4, Funny

      He's from Uranus you insensitive clod!

    17. Re:well then it's a bad contract by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not a horrible contract if both parties agreed to it

      It's a horrible contract if it purports to require that consumers pay ESPN even if they don't want it. In fact, that's arguably illegal.

      It's not good for the customer, but no one is forced to sign up for cable

      Seriously? That's the best you have? It's OK for asshole cable companies to force you to buy something you don't want, and if you don't like that you're free to not have cable at all?

      Complete and utter fucking nonsense.

      Sorry, but ESPN has no legal standing to force the consumers of Verizon to essentially have a package which kicks back to ESPN.

      That should get you a RICO conviction. Because if someone says "oh, sorry, but we have a contract with my cousin Vinnie, and you have to pay him every time you buy something from us".

      Yeah, sorry. fuck that.

      I'm not sure what legal argument and case law you are using for your argument; but there is nothing illegal about a company offering a bundle of services on a take it or leave it basis. You might not like it, but they can offer their product in any way they chose; no one is forcing you to get a cable subscription. RICO? Seriously? Your argument is like saying McD's and their hamburger supplier are violating RICO laws since the burger maker gets a kickback overtime McD's sells a burger and you can't buy just the bun without paying for the burger as well. To make it a /. preferred car analogy, forcing you to do that through the drive through.

      As for your "it's not good for the consumer" argument I'd counter argue that it is good because the bundle price is probably less than what it would cost to get a separate set of channels a la cart; since ether bundle spreads the cost around a lot of consumers. In auditor, it makes channels you may be interested in but have very low actual viewership sustainable since they get money form all subscribers, not just the 2 that actually watch them.

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    18. Re:well then it's a bad contract by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      It's not just forced inclusion. If someone signs up to ESPN for 5 minutes (actually signs up for that time, not just an annulled error), then Verizon is supposed to pay ESPN for a minimum time for that customer.

      I expect Verizon is violating the contract. The only question is whether the contract holds up in court.

      ESPN does this to prevent people signing up for just one season of sports. But it holds back the options the cable companies provide.

    19. Re:well then it's a bad contract by jonwil · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Don't blame Verizon for signing this "bad contract", blame Disney.

      Disney refuses to sell ANY of its vast portfolio of content to ANY cable provider unless that provider agrees to put ESPN in the base package.
      The problem for Disney is that if they allow cable companies to separate out ESPN (into a separate "sports" package, into a higher tier or on its own) then the number of ESPN customers drops dramatically (those who never watch it and those who watch it but wouldn't pay for it separately) which means they have to spread the cost of buying all that expensive sport across far fewer customers.

    20. Re:well then it's a bad contract by sconeu · · Score: 2

      ESPN is great if

      1. You're a fan of the New York Yankees or Boston Red Sox
      2. You're a fan of the New England Patriots
      3. You're a fan of LeBron James

      Otherwise, it sucks giant donkey dongs.

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    21. Re:well then it's a bad contract by Imagix · · Score: 2

      It's not a horrible contract if both parties agreed to it

      It's a horrible contract if it purports to require that consumers pay ESPN even if they don't want it. In fact, that's arguably illegal.

      Well, the contract doesn't require that consumers pay EPSN. The contract requires that Verizon pays ESPN. Verizon could theoretically offer ESPN to their customers for the 5 months of football season, and then drop the rates during the rest of the year. However, that wouldn't absolve Verizon from having to pay ESPN for the entire year. But that's Verizon's problem.

    22. Re:well then it's a bad contract by Solandri · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's a horrible contract if it purports to require that consumers pay ESPN even if they don't want it. In fact, that's arguably illegal.
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      Sorry, but ESPN has no legal standing to force the consumers of Verizon to essentially have a package which kicks back to ESPN.

      You've got this backwards. The consumer has no standing because they never contracted with ESPN. The contract is between ESPN and Verizon. Customers are never paying ESPN. Verizon is paying ESPN. Customers are paying Verizon, but that doesn't give them standing on a contract between ESPN and Verizon. Just like if you bought something from Walmart, that doesn't give you standing to modify Walmart's wages to their employees.

      Legally, the proper solution is for Verizon to charge all customers enough so that they can fulfill their contractual obligation to ESPN. If their contract says they need to pay ESPN $10/mo per customer (regardless of whether they view ESPN), then Verizon just needs to pay that and they've satisfied the terms of their contract with ESPN.

      If Verizon wants to then turn around and charge ESPN-viewing customers $20/mo to cover their shortfall (assuming half their customers don't want ESPN), then that is between Verizon and their customer, and ESPN has no standing. In fact that's probably what Verizon is going for here - they're trying to collect real data on exactly what percentage of their customers are willing to pay for ESPN and how much, so they can use those figures for negotiations with ESPN.

      That should get you a RICO conviction. Because if someone says "oh, sorry, but we have a contract with my cousin Vinnie, and you have to pay him every time you buy something from us".

      Totally different. Verizon isn't telling you to send a check to ESPN. They're offering you a price for your cable package, and you're agreeing to pay that price. If Verizon decides to use some of the money they received from you to pay ESPN or Vinnie or for hookers and blow, you have no standing. You got the cable package you wanted at a price you agreed to pay.

    23. Re:well then it's a bad contract by hesiod · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So if a company doesn't operate in a way I like, the best way to express that... is to invest in them? I don't think you thought that one through completely.

    24. Re:well then it's a bad contract by amiga3D · · Score: 2

      I once had to go with my wife to an Opera. That, I believe, qualifies as suffering.

    25. Re:well then it's a bad contract by bondsbw · · Score: 2

      But how is this different from any other cable company? If I'm not under contract, I was under the impression that I could change my service level any time I wanted.

      I thought the problem was the to get channels X, Y, and Z, I had to also agree to pay for channels A, B, and C. Not that I couldn't drop all of those as a whole whenever I wanted.

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    26. Re:well then it's a bad contract by jrumney · · Score: 2

      Sport is only "expensive" because cable sports channels have upped the bidding stakes.

  2. ESPN can go eff themselves. by toonces33 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is absolutely nothing innovative about what they do other than pick the pockets of every cable/satellite subscriber in the country. It is attitudes like theirs that are pushing more and more people to just cut the cord and build their own a-la-carte bundles from Netflix or Hulu.

    1. Re:ESPN can go eff themselves. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The difference is that the home shopping and religious channels usually pay the cable company to be included. Those channels are subsidizing your other programming and your cost would be (slightly) higher without them.

    2. Re:ESPN can go eff themselves. by Adriax · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The 80's predicted cable would expand to thousands of channels. Hyper specific channels so at any one time you could find the exact programming you desire and keep your eyeballs glued to the screen. And ESPN, with their multiple channels, was the first to the gate. They fantasied for twenty years how much revenue they could pull with lots of channels serving hyper specific programming.
      Too bad the prediction was off by a delivery mechanism. Hyper specific info streams are the norm, but it isn't the product of TV studios.

      This is them getting pissy that reality keeps diverging more from their plan. They're fighting back as much as possible trying to salvage it.

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    3. Re:ESPN can go eff themselves. by cshay · · Score: 2

      There's the rub though - if you are a sports fan, it is very very difficult to "cut the cord". ESPN knows this and unlike many other channels they have a ton of leverage because of it. In a very real sense, they are the sole remaining profit center for cable TV.

    4. Re:ESPN can go eff themselves. by toonces33 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ahh, but I don't want to each sports. Ever. And even if I did, ESPN effectively only has basketball and football - if there are other sports you want you are almost always out of luck as well. And yet I have to pay for it whether I want it or not.

      And what do they do with all of the money that they pick from our pockets? They overpay for the rights to televise sports. The scandals involving the huge amounts of money out there for both college football and basketball are directly related to how much TV money is floating around out there.

      And I would venture a guess that there are a far more people out there who don't watch sports that you might think there are.

    5. Re:ESPN can go eff themselves. by Dracos · · Score: 2

      ESPN is by far the most expensive channel block... every subscriber pays about $5/month for ESPN, whether or not they watch any sports.

      Bundling is what keeps most channels alive, via bundling subsidy. Anything that even remotely represents a la carte will be fought by the content providers.

    6. Re:ESPN can go eff themselves. by tlhIngan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And no pocket is being picked. Companies willingly pay them for their channel because the vast majority of cable subscribers want it. They always want to pay less, of course, but the other option (no ESPN) just isn't viable in most cases.

      ESPN is the most expensive channel on cable, and it comprises probably close to HALF the cost of basic cable - ESPN charges cable providers around $12/month/subscriber.

      Contrast with History or Discovery - you can get every channel on either network for under $1/month/subscriber - the amount you pay on basic cable for each amounts to under 50 cents. And practically all the cable channels are paid like that - well under a quarter each.

      That's why ESPN is angry - because having every subscriber pay it tons of money every month is a great business model - including those who don't want it.

  3. ESPN delenda est by Mike+Van+Pelt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I would gladly pay more for a bundle that did not include ESPN, or any of the other "sports" networks, or Empty-V or any of its myriad clones. Or the shopping channels.

    1. Re:ESPN delenda est by OctoberSky · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I would gladly pay more for a bundle that did not include ESPN, or any of the other "sports" networks, or Empty-V or any of its myriad clones. Or the shopping channels.

      Wait, you would gladly pay more for less?

    2. Re:ESPN delenda est by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Most of the shopping channels get on your cable system though having a local TV transmitter. Cable companies are "required to carry" any and all local over the air stations. It was the "deal" that was made to allow cable systems to exist, many decades ago. So you are going to get those no matter what.

      [Citation needed]

      I mean, that's true in theory, but in practice, since the [OTA] digital switchover, the cable company where I live has been getting away with downgrading stuff that would be 1080i with an antenna to 480p (unless you pay an extra bribe for them to leave it HD), and omitting broadcast subchannels entirely.

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  4. Why would a non-sports person have cable? by netsavior · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I thought that was the only reason anyone had cable anymore, for the sportsing. Especially since HBONow is finally a thing.

    1. Re:Why would a non-sports person have cable? by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If I could have gotten a cable package without sports channels (which would have been much cheaper than anything actually offered), I might actually still have it. As it is, the cable company lost me as a customer in part because of their dumbass deal with ESPN.

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    2. Re:Why would a non-sports person have cable? by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Cable? It's the only reason for having a TV anymore.

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    3. Re:Why would a non-sports person have cable? by cayenne8 · · Score: 2

      I thought that was the only reason anyone had cable anymore, for the sportsing. Especially since HBONow is finally a thing.

      The sports thing is only really important to me during college football season, other than that, I don't watch it.

      But I would miss all the different cable news networks, I tend to default to them when nothing else is on, etc...

      If I could stream and get all those, I'd likely cut the cable too. Right now I'm experimenting with an indoor HDTV OTA antenna and NF/Amazon streaming to see how much I can deal with that and not miss UVerse......right now it is mostly the missing the cable news shows, and the fact I don't have a mythtv box set up to act as DVR and distribution to all the TVs in my house.

      That is one of my next projects, but until then...uverse stays.

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    4. Re:Why would a non-sports person have cable? by LVSlushdat · · Score: 2

      Oh yesss... I was also born without the "sports gene"... It puzzles me why otherwise seemingly normal people go absolutely bonkers over a bunch of guys on a field chasing a ball and beating each other senseless, better known as football... Or what passes for the other "national pastime", baseball... Which is why I'm really tired of getting charged a fairly large sum of money (~$5/mo) for that ESPN crap.. I'd gladly cut the cord, and do streaming of what few shows I care to watch over my 50/12 cable internet connection, but wifey won't budge.. Oh well..

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  5. Cue the whiners by John+Napkintosh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There's about to be way too many comments about how ESPN sucks and cable companies suck and everyone sucks for not giving me what I want. There's about to be not nearly enough comments about shutting up and voting with your dollars. Guess who enables this behavior? People who pay for it. Guess who has an option? People who pay for it. Guess who was never forced to pay for it? People who pay for it.

    Aside from all that, Verizon still has to abide by the contracts. It's irrelevant how shitty the contract is for whom or what could be done which is better for consumers.

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    1. Re:Cue the whiners by rogoshen1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well dude, It looks like Verizon was trying to give people the option to vote with their wallets, and ESPN is preventing that (or trying to.)

    2. Re:Cue the whiners by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In the United States, contracts are understood by the letter, so if it isn't explicitly written, then it isn't enforceable (as opposed to say high context cultures, where there's strong enforcement of "implied" language.)

      That said, it's entirely possible that Verizon's contract with ESPN is worded in such a way that they can get away with doing this. Verizon seems to think so, but ESPN seems to disagree. So that's where an impartial (theoretically) judge decides the result of how its worded, and how it will be enforced.

    3. Re:Cue the whiners by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem is that the only real option you have is abstaining. You don't want this behaviour? No cable TV for you. Because there's no such thing as a "channel mix" that you want. Have you ever taken a look at the average "basic mix" of channels? Nobody, absolutely nobody, on this planet would choose these channels. No matter what his interests.

      If you're not happy with this, your choice is to do without. Not only without the channels you don't want, but also the ones that you would want. Don't want Sports and Bible TV? Ok, no SciFi for you either.

      And most people would rather grin and bear it than abstain. Essentially what it means to them is that they don't get the 100+ channels promised but actually just about 10, with 90+ more that could as well not exist.

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    4. Re:Cue the whiners by Rockoon · · Score: 2

      That said, it's entirely possible that Verizon's contract with ESPN is worded in such a way that they can get away with doing this. Verizon seems to think so, but ESPN seems to disagree. So that's where an impartial (theoretically) judge decides the result of how its worded, and how it will be enforced.

      Also of note is that in the end even if ESPN wins in court, Verizon still does not have to do what ESPN wants them to do. In American contract law, it is always cold hard cash that makes the harmed party "whole." The court will put a dollar value on the contract breach and award it to the plaintiff if Verizon wants out of the contract.

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    5. Re:Cue the whiners by unitron · · Score: 2

      What are these multiple providers of which you speak?

      Where I live we have the choice of Time-Warner cable or no cable, and there's no sign of that changing in my lifetime.

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  6. Terms and Conditions. by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 3, Informative

    "We simply ask that Verizon abide by the terms of our contracts."

    Translation: And force people to pay for stuff they don't want.

    Personally, I've *never* (ever) watched any of the ESPN channels and am annoyed at having to pay for them. Sure, I understand that a-la-carte programming *may* be expensive - at the moment - but I imagine business models and revenue streams will adapt as time goes on. In the mean time, Disney can kiss my shiny metal ass.

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  7. Re:first by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First what?

    First time you'll ever see me actually root for Verizon? If so, yes. First.

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  8. All cable providers should try this by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I know if my mother-in-law had just the Hallmark channel, the game show network and one other she'd switch providers, even it only saved her 30%.

    Alternatively, if there was a way to just get Netflix to stream random stuff in preselected genres all day I could get her off cable altogether - tens of millions of people just want the TV on all the time because they live alone, but can't stand the crap the broadcast networks have during the day and have no need for ESPN.

  9. Re:Growing pains by itsenrique · · Score: 2

    ESPN makes so much because of the crazy model that's currently in place. It is doubtful they could make as much money "getting on the ball", because a big part of their profits right now are customers that dont even want to be customers. In other words, lock in.

  10. PseudoTV on XBMC by MaizeMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't know if it is integrated with Netflix yet (or ever) but it address the exact use case you're describing. Picking random stuff from the set of all videos I have access to, group them logically into thematic clusters and just keep throwing content on the screen without the user having to invest any mental energy in choosing what to watch beyond "I feel like switching from the comedy channel to the science fiction drama channel."

    I've been surprised to see how many people like this method of interfacing with their video content libraries more than selecting something they'd like to watch.

  11. History repeats itself by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 2

    Just like Google after them, ESPN was once the plucky, decent, little engine that could. But once the money started rolling in, they both turned into rapacious, black-hearted juggernauts with out-sized influence at every level including regulatory capture.

    A pox on both their mansions.

  12. Begun, the content wars have by MetalliQaZ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All of these companies are just going to sue themselves into oblivion. They've been raping and pillaging for so long, they don't know how to run an honest business. Too bad they are going to cause so much collateral damage on the way down.

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  13. Re:30% by rickb928 · · Score: 2

    Super Bowl XLIX was broadcast on NBC. What was your point? That people subscribe to ESPN for the Super Bowl?

    Not. Reset. Try again.

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  14. Re:30% by MitchDev · · Score: 3, Informative

    Superbowl was on a OTA channel, no subscription required

  15. Driving down the cost of content by Virtucon · · Score: 2

    This is another attempt at a Cable Company attempting to dictate the pricing that a content provider demands. Recently Verizon got rid of the Weather Channel. I for one applaud it because unlike a weather service, it's become a drama pump for all Comcast/NBC shit that the wouldn't put on the other channels. Especially during the evenings where instead of getting weather information you're getting "digging for rocks on mountains with pick axes" or "weather disasters that happened decades ago." Bah!

    I think this is a double-ended play by VZ, one to squeeze the content providers and two to squeeze the consumers at some future point because they channels you had now are just going to cost you more because we "unbundled it for you" just like electricity providers unbundled the power generating services from the wires into your home. Yeah, that never works out well.

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  16. Those of us withOUT the "Sports Gene".... by LVSlushdat · · Score: 2

    Those of us who were born without the "sports gene" would seriously LOVE to be able to get a tv package withOUT that ESPN crap.. Of course, if it didnt heavily contribute to the cost of the tv package, I wouldn't care, but since it DOES add to the package cost, it could die a gruesome death as far as I'm concerned. You GO, Verizon... Kick those ESPN lawyers in the ass....

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  17. what if the consumer doesn't watch sports? by roc97007 · · Score: 2

    This is one of the reasons I no longer pay for cable. What I can't get off the antenna on the roof or streaming, I do without.

    But just assuming I wanted to pay $100+ a month for TELEVISION, the thing that would grate on me more than anything else is to be paying for, subsidizing if you will, content in which I have not the slightest interest.

    In cases like MSNBC, where real viewership has dropped to the point where it no longer justifies advertising dollars, and the only thing keeping the station (and others -- I'm unfairly picking on MSNBC) is the contracts that the cable providers are locked into. The thing is, sports are (so they tell me) POPULAR, people actually *want* to watch them, will pay extra for sports packages on cable and satellite, and can be furious when a game is blacked out in their area. This is the least likely content type to care about being subsidized by the cable industry. What am I missing here?

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  18. Hooray for Verizon, kind of by swb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hooray for Verizon for trying to challenge the fucked up cable system. Maybe, just maybe, they see end of "cable" as a thing when anything can be streamed instead and want to stave this off by making at least kind of sane channel choices available.

    Well, kind of. I think they made a lot of this mess for themselves. I think the TV channel sources saw the cable companies successfully ratchet up the prices continuously and figured they needed to be in on that money bandwagon. Enter in all the must-carry bundles and tier requirements and all the bullshit that got us to 800 channels of nothing for $150/month (and not even HBO, damnit).

    And the cable companies didn't care because they could just pass off the costs to their customers through ever higher prices and announce "Wow! We've added even more high value content, ESPN Classic 4 -- all those great historic bocce tournaments from the 1950s".

    And both the channel providers and the cable companies got fat and sassy.

    And now everyone hates cable, hates paying $150/month for a bunch of channels they never watch and is dropping it as fast as they can.

  19. Paying for channels we don't watch by Pollux · · Score: 4, Informative

    You pay for channels you don't want so you can watch the few channels you do want.

    The communications director at a local cable service provider once told me the problem with ESPN: it's the most expensive channel in their entire cable lineup. They would love to separate it out and treat it a-la-carte like HBO, but their agreements don't allow for it. Either everyone gets it, or no one does. And he said everyone gets it, because whenever the feed goes out for that channel, their switchboards light up like a Christmas tree. (He also mentioned that the other channel that customers most hate to lose is Lifetime, though that's not nearly as expensive.)

    It's extortion, plain and simple. Though ESPN is only partly to blame...the NFL, NBA, and NCAA are also guilty for making game broadcasting rights so pricy.