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FWD.us To Laid-Off Southern California Edison Workers: Boo-Hoo
theodp writes: Speaking at a National Journal LIVE event that was sponsored by Mark Zuckerberg's FWD.us and Laurene Powell Jobs' Emerson Collective, FWD.us "Major Contributor" Lars Dalgaard was asked about the fate of 500 laid-off Southern California Edison IT workers, whose forced training of their H-1B worker replacements from offshore outsourcing companies sparked a bipartisan Senate investigation. "If you want the job, make yourself able to get the job," quipped an unsympathetic Dalgaard (YouTube). "Nobody's going to hold you up and carry you around...If you're not going to work hard enough to be qualified to get the job...well then, you don't deserve the job." "That might be harsh," remarked interviewer Niharika Acharya. Turning to co-interviewee Pierre-Jean Cobut, FWD.us's poster child for increasing the H-1B visa cap, Acharya asked, "Do you agree with him?" "Actually, I do," replied PJ, drawing laughs from the crowd.
All you assholes expect everything to be handed to you on a silver platter and you seem to think that anything that hurts a corporation is a GOOD IDEA. Well guess what, morons, corporations are the job creators and if they see the need to have unskilled or low skilled US workers replaced by better trained and superior H1B's then so be it, what that fuck do YOU know any better? No, you guys are just repeating the leftist meme that workers should be given more power than their employers. FUCK THAT SHIT. We spent 100 years working to prevent the takeover of US politics by this kind of insidius evil and there is no way in hell we will let you neo-marxists destroy the industry now.
These guys are jerks. Obviously the Edison IT workers were qualified - they trained their replacements. Equally obvious they were available to do the job, so there was no reason to bring in H1Bs. Outright fraud by Edison, abetted by the government.
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Fair is fair, so let's make sure it cuts both ways, all the way up the management chain. Let anyone who can and is willing to do the CEO job for less $ take the position, and have to have the current CEO train his replacement.
I'm not religious, but this kind of shit only makes me think of that famous line: "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven."
Circumcision is child abuse.
Hilarious how vicious, right wing libertarians with a FYGM mentality also end up on the chopping block. Obviously if they didn't want to be fired they should have bootstrapped themselves to a job that couldn't have been onshored by H1Bs.
Edison wanted cheaper workers, plain and simple. Dalgaard and Cobut should be ashamed of themselves, but slimeballs like that know no shame.
If you go to FWD.us, it gives a nice list of who the "Founders" and "Major Contributors" of the group are.
This saves us from having to knit their names into scarves.
Well PJ, direct from your web-site http://letpjstay.com/
"PJ, the co-founder of Echo Labs, always dreamed of starting a company in the United States, but if he doesn't get an H1-B visa, he'll have to move Echo Labs to Canada."
And my response to you is,
If you want the H1B, make yourself able to get the H1B. Otherwise, enjoy Canadia...
CEO type is an arsehole.
The only thing the IT workers weren't qualified in was the willingness to to exactly the same work for a significant pay cut.
CEO type thinks that workers should accept that to be "competitive in a global economy" while arguing that he's personally worth his multi-million dollar pay check despite the fact that his pay is not linked to his performance.
TLDR; rich guy thinks poor people should make less money so he can make more. Or, greed is good.
This is why it's morally OK to fuck over corporations.
The beatings^Wlayoffs will continue until morale improves.
Right? Now witness your bargaining power. Pride goes before the fall.
Too difficult to find work in your own country, PJ? Work harder. I don't care about your dreams to open up a business in America, I care about the reality of my country's economic future. You were wealthy enough to leave your country to find work - our work - I'm sure you're wealthy and hard-working enough to go back.
"If you want the job, make yourself able to get the job"
I wanted the job so hard I tried to get my DNA to change so that I was Indian but my damn lazy American genome would not cooperate.
If Slashdot were chemistry it would look like this:Cadaverine
The hypocrisy of slashdotters on this one is quite funny. "First they came for the non-IT workers, and we couldn't care less."
Anyone in IT needs to pay attention to this, it's a rare insight into how management and executes see the labor force.
Just remember "qualified" is the term that HAS to be used when referring to terminated manpower or lawsuits would run wild. Lack of a unionized labor force of IT also puts the nail in the coffin. But we all know "qualified" means "cheap, simpleminded and easily replaceable manpower".
IT talent means nothing to the board, remember that always.
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." -- Frédéric Bastiat, 1848
If all corporations are ...
I recall from a survey a while about about 75% of Slashdot readers are leftists. The same lefists who are extremely pro-immigration and talk about how immigration enriches our society and benefits everyone.
I work in a low paid job, and what I've increasingly seen is more and more immigrants in work. These immigrants have been taking the jobs from native workers because they are prepared to work longer hours for less pay in worse conditions. This has been going on for years, but the left have continued to talk of the benefits of immigration.
Now, immigrants are replacing people in higher paid positions, and suddenly the leftists on Slashdot are up in arms about it. Immigration was great when the immigrants were taking jobs from low paid workers, but now that they're taking your jobs it's suddenly an outrage.
All I can say is that you've got exactly what's coming to you. I hope this continues until every IT job is filled by a foreign worker.
Must compete... Unless you're a C level exec it seems. Imagine the savings there!
Oh wait, they can't possibly train their replacements because they're so special and better than everyone else.
History teaches put down a few H1-B boss-pimps and the issue goes away. The y-1910 coal miners in Pa had to do it ... you think it's politely, bloodlessly different now just because of Bush + Obama.nations FBI/HLS gestapo? As a working man history records clearly ... you are *zzfyucked with that false conceit. Pinkerton thugs did the MANs biznazi dirty-work chores last century. Irish bosses slaughtered Slovak coal-miners in Lackawanna and Luzerne counties, till the workers armed and shot back. Think it different now, pad're? Fool.
Let's see them act so "high & mighty" when competing power companies are built (don't even *try* to tell me it doesn't or can't happen) - then, their OWN mantra will work against them, since they will HAVE TO COMPETE ON PRICE vs. others like themselves (vs. being a monopoly).
* That happened here, with a Solvay Gas & Electric Company vs. National Grid - the former pays rates EASILY 1/2 of what the rest of us do under the latter, BUT, it keeps the former under control (vs. skyrocketing their prices, which THEY DID once they, a UK company, did once they bought out the former Niagara Mohawk - TRIPLING OUR RATES).
Under control, & for the reasons I stated above, I.E.-> Other smaller power suppliers CAN be created, @ ANY TIME, to make them feel the burn of competition (after all: "It's the AMERICAN WAY", right? RIGHT!).
APK
P.S.=> By the way, asshole: Go fuck yourself - it's pigs like you that *THINK* you "run the show" when you create monopolies - & that CAN be turned against you, EASILY, as shown above (tons would jump @ the chance to be such competing companies too, no questions asked, since it's GUARANTEED INCOME since consumers DO NEED POWER!)... apk
Your first two sentences are correct; it's all about supply and demand - no need to complicate it. But your last sentence conflicts with the first two and makes no sense.
Turd-suckingly backwards. to the the deal with you
By what logic can you make a case that you need foreign workers in the utility field, particularly when you just laid off 500?
Simple solution is to change the rules of the H1B visa..... not by stopping the "skilled" immigrants but by having every visa come with residency - which would free a skilled worker to work anywhere and not just for the sponsoring company. I have personally seen the impact on wages for H1Bs because of the need to stay with the company while the company works through the process for residency (which can take the full 6 years). If they change jobs the residency process has to start again, which makes the company not having to compete in regards to wages for H1B visa holders. Competition is good, H1B to residency process depresses it and distorts the market.
Every time I read one of these statements from the entitles poodles that run corporate America, I hear guillotines being sharpened.
You are welcome on my lawn.
...with the dismissive attitude of an authority figure who knows they can't be touched.
"You should never doubt what nobody is sure about." -- Willy Wonka
With the retraining, he was able to land a new job as a "Limited Time Employee" for a major integrator and works a project in the city he lived in. His LTE work has gone on for over 3 years (kind of like a real job and it expected to last for another 3 years.
What are his benefits and medical insurance like? Yeah, thought so.
As a cancer survivor (in the US, 50% of us will be diagnosed with cancer during our working lives, and live or die based in no small part on how good our medical benefits are), I can tell you that working as a contractor with minimal or no benefits, you're playing Russian roulette with your own survival. And this is true even with ObamaCare, which is a vast improvement on what we had (or rather, didn't have) before.
do something about it, or just complain.
If any of the complainers or sympathizers have organizational ability, start a company yourselves. Jobs aren't things to be handed out. Can you do what your former company does yourselves? Can you compete? Alone, probably not. Start an association and combine your talents. Make a new company, and don't hire H1B Asians.
This site is read by thousands, it would be trivial to post a link to your place.
Opportunities are disguised as hard work
Here's an easy solution to this problem. Make H1-B a path to citizenship (and really we want as much intelligent and highly-skilled labors as possible to stick around) so that eventually companies can't hold the H1-B over an employee's head to keep wages down. Next, keep track of former H1-B workers who are currently unemployed and do not allow for any addition applications until there there are fewer than say 10% who have been unemployed for more than a year. Additionally, count any citizens who were displaced by an H1-B worker (would need to follow companies using H1-B workers more closely, but that's part of the trade-off) as part of this pool as well.
If a company can't find enough skilled workers, they need to raise wages to attract better candidates and let the companies who aren't willing to pay as much draw from the pool of applicants who are less qualified. Otherwise they can pick from what's available and spend some time training their hires.
We need to grow a pool of potential jurors who are willing to employ nullification in trials where violence was used against whomever benefited from H1b. Plain and simple.
Require all employers who hire an H1-B to pay TOP MARKET RATE for their region for the position they hire that person for.Additionally, require the employer initiate and cover all costs of Naturalization of the H1-B employee after 1 year or rescind H1-B status and send them home. A per worker fee that is large enough to cover teh cost of oversight should be required for each H1-B worker hired. This could be handled through ICE -- the same as they handle Green Card Applicants -- just perform random interviews and checks on the H1-B workers to ensure they are indeed working in the job capacity they were documented as and are indeed receiving the appropriate level of pay. Deviation should result in hefty fines the first time ($100,000 or more per incident) with severe penalties after repeated incidents ($1,000,000+ fines and revocation of all H1-B permits and inability to obtain future permits)
This way, we can be sure H1-Bs will indeed be a highly skilled and specialized worker hired because there is no local equivalent and that the H1-B worker is not exploited as a cheap labor source and given all employee accommodations as required under law.
Markets by nature work themselves into states of stability. Stability is where a single player or a small group of players provides a product at a price the buyer can afford. The problem is that this stability is also stagnant, and does not create innovation.
So true competitive markets do not exist for very long unless there is an entity I place that keeps the market from reaching stability. In most cases, that entity is government regulation that either controls the big players or allows room for small players to enter the market.
These guys are jerks
Say what you want, boy
They have the money
They have the influence
They have the connection
What have you?
You call them 'jerks' not because they are real jerks. You call them 'jerks' because you are jealous of what they have and who they know
If you are on their shoes I bet you will do the same thing ... or some thing that may be even worse!
We all know that the congress critters who will be more than glad to sell out the nation as long as the price is right
Oh, don't call those fucking congress critters 'jerks', though ... if it is not because you, and yes, I mean YOU, the Americans, those fuckers won't get elected in the first place
Lemme put it another way ... the buck should stop with you, the American Voters. It is because REAL jerks like you voted to put fuckers in the congress, fuckers who will sell out the nation as long as the price is right
YOU GUYS ARE THE ONE WHO HAVE STARTED ALL THESE!
For CEO bullshitters to make 3000x the wage of their AVERAGE worker - figure's close enough from what I read, & in the 1970's, that figure was FAR LOWER, like 30x only (not lowest paid mind you, but AVERAGE)? That's "efficiency"??
No asshole. It's highway robbery!
Those in executive positions like to spout "we have responsibilities" & THOSE? LMAO - they're NO DIFFERENT than running your OWN finances... I know, 1st hand, from running my OWN BUSINESS (since I finally got smart & decided to make monies for myself vs. being paid peanuts for efforts that made those crooks millions, & they couldn't do it themselves either, & used guys like me to do it for them): RUNNING A BUSINESS IS NO DIFFERENT - you make the same decisions in YOUR OWN LIVES daily. You have X dollars, you have X dollars in bills etc. - you're making the SAME TYPES OF DECISIONS as a person (& since a corporation is considered a person in a court of law, that only makes further sense)... no different @ all - & either you make PRUDENT + sound ones, or you go bust.
* Those horseshitters have raised their pay to unbelievable levels, & I know, just like anybody else, they are NOT worth it, no way... stockholders should WAKE THE FUCK UP & realize they're paying undereducated babysitters (most of the time, ones like AMD's CEO are an exception, in Mr. Hector Ruiz, who is @ least QUALIFIED to run those he works with as his technical subordinates since he is an EE iirc & knows his stuff @ least - MOST? Don't... & are just rich boys who joined another frat to get where they are (e.g. masons)).
Nobody's going to tell me differently - I've "been there, done that" on all those levels & know the REAL deal... The USA has been ROBBED BLIND by "their kind" (scumbags & thugs in suits - no better than street criminals operating in packs + conmen).
APK
P.S.=> Wake up America... wake up... Yes, gov't owned businesses worldwide were shown as loss makers (e.g. British Steel, since you bring up Thatcher) - so capitalism has merits along with FREE MARKETS, however, they only REALLY RUN RIGHT when gov't acts as a FAIR referee, but you can't HAVE that, not when "Big KORPORATE AMERIKA" dollars put their puppets there into place, backing BOTH "so-called parties" (same thing on both sides, owned by same owners, just different names - look @ their campaign contributions & see them "hedging their bets" like box betting a horse race) & using the "revolving door" like Cheney did going into politics when the rules needed rewriting in corporate interests' favor, & then going back out into corporate america again, reaping the ill-gotten cheated gains in 'rewards' doing so (never having to give up his interests in Haliburton either, profiting by war via it also, on "no-bid" contracts too)... apk
So how is it that we allow foreigners to come in and work jobs with this kind of access? You want a few hundred ISIS operatives to cross the border? No problem arranging the border sensor grid outage.
Have gnu, will travel.
If a single commenter mentioned this, I didn't see it. The entity employing H1B workers is required by law to file a Labor Condition Application to ensure that they meet or exceed the prevailing wage, and an attestation designed to ensure that they are not used to break a strike nor to replace citizen workers - i.e., that the H1Bs are really needed because citizens cannot be found to do the jobs.
Obviously this does not work, or there would be little to no motivation to gratuitously replace citizens with H1B workers. What no one has satisfactorily explained to me (beyond waving the hands and mumbling "corruption") is, how is the law being flouted?
into the ideals that were pounded into his skull since childhood. That's the problem. The free market has failed us middle class techs. We can't possibly compete with people who lack food security. Yes, the H1-B program increases the GDP, but that's useless to the middle class since we're getting a smaller and smaller piece of the pie. The solution is protectionism and socialism, but the 1% have spent our whole lives demonizing these things.
/.ers is fighting the same uphill battle. It's the same reason the right wing just won the UK. You take control of the basic discussion and thought processes. Hell, look what we're doing. We're not talking about our standard of living, we're talking about "Job Creators". They've framed the debate in such a way that we can't even start to talk about the real issues.
Ask yourself what your high school economics class was like. Were you ever taught there was any way but free market laissez faire economics? Heck, in my class they didn't even bother demonizing it, it just wasn't taught. Libertarianism was a fait accompli. The grandparent, like a lot of
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Another point is that cheating is rampant in some other countries universities. Take India for instance. Wealthy students bribe the professors. Poorer students feel that it is their right to cheat to compete with the richer students.
A bunch of CEOs and their deep-pocketed investors want to increase their profits by driving down the cost of labor and want to do that by bringing in (basically) lower-wage indentured servants.
Call me when there's some real news on this front.
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Given current business practices in the US, the rational thing to do is train your replacements incorrectly, but in such a way as their lack of training is only noticeable after you are fired, or long enough after the training has taken place that it can't be tracked down to your specific instruction.
When the geek turns to thoughts felonies he contrives schemes so finely calibrated that they cannot possibly work.
Corporations are shortsighted dumb asses and the question is how are they going to make any $$$ if Americans will no longer have any type of job or income? U.S needs to start bringing back some rules and regulations including cutting the tax loop holes and if U.S corporations continue to hide their $$$ overseas from the tax man they should be shut down or their patents voided or forced out of the country and hopefully it would give rise to newer businesses.
by the neck until dead (after arrest for economic treason and conviction in a court of law).
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Seriously, the H1-B is about companies being able to control the price. IOW, it is a local communist approach. All competition disappears.
With green cards, the employee is free to move around, and as such, they can find the best companies to work for.
That is how we get REAL competition.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
With out the government propping him up and holding his hand. Any company that needs government help is a poorly run company. He's just a welfare bum.
putting the 'B' in LGBTQ+
Socialism and Protectionism are _not_ easy answers. That's what makes them real answers. Real answers are _hard_. We're facing a lot of complex problems with a large and incredibly powerful group of individuals trying to sabotage any attempt to solve them.
This is always been a problem of socialists. Our rhetoric sucks because we don't have a grand ideal to lean on. It's so much _easier_ to say if we leave things alone their sort themselves out. It _sounds_ better and it _feels_ better. Sure, it's wrong. But it's a tough sell.
It's like when you were a teenager and didn't want to listen to your parents. I mean that exactly. Your parents weren't right about everything, but if you're middle class enough to be reading this they were probably right about 90%. But nobody remembers that 90%, just the 10% of the time they were wrong. Socialism has the same problem.
And no, Russia and China aren't socialists. Next question please. It takes more than words to be socialist, just like it takes more than sex to be a parent.
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The first thing they should do is to abolish the random lottery for H1B visas and grant the visas within the cap to the applicants with the highest salaries. That would help to stop companies that are abusing H1Bs for driving wages down and at the same time would make sure that if a company really really needs the skills of a specific foreigner, they could get a visa for him or her by paying a very high wage.
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It is 100% time for workers/citizens of this company to demand loyalty to the citizenry. Any company hiring H1-B workers or advocating it needs boycotted, stripped of it corporate charter, the assets sold off. Any board of directors, CEO's, or management of American companies' pulling this shit need thrown in prison. If the law is not going to protect its citizens, then it is time for the citizenry to take matters into their own hands. Arm yourselves' my fellow Americans. Organize. Prepare to fight. If not, everything your ancestors worked to establish will be stripped right from beneath you. No other country in the world permits this kind of horse-shit. This is simply and end-run around labor and other laws of common civility for the citizenry by those who are too greedy to give a rats ass about their fellow citizens and have no loyalty to the nation. They are traitors and should be treated as such - Executed. Time to stand-up. Before it is too late.
I think slavery is a part of the market and this reality is why one can't afford to frame issues in the amoral terms of the marketplace. Looking out for one's own interests necessarily includes building a society that provides for all and defends against exploitations many forms. It's high time we seriously build rules that place a barrier underneath us all the theme of which says 'society won't let you become more destitute than this' and then specifies in detail what that level is.
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The problem is the people behind FWD.org are all enemy's of the people. Because they see all of us a disposable commodity. But if we thought of them that way they would carp bricks. maybe that is why they hire sooo much security.
It's not FWD.us ... rather, it is FCKD.us
As other noted, if you are able to train someone else to do the job, then by definition you are able to do the job. How whole premise of the H-1b program is that american workers are in short supply. Training your replacement totally belies that fact. This is about survival of the cheapest, not of the fittest.
The purpose of the visas should be to allow outside workers to be sourced when they can't be sourced domestically. Therefore there should be no need to pay them less, in fact if they are so valuable, they should be paid more. If that were a requirement, then this problem would solve itself.
Managing what rational choices you have to choose from is the surest way to get you to achieve their goal of getting you to fire yourself having trained a cheaper replacement. Reason is the rationalization of limited options in the absence of imagination.
Plutocrat mentality: "I've got mine now, the rest of you can grovel for scraps."
Table-ized A.I.
You have just completely inverted Ayn Rand. Either you got her wrong intentionally and are thus dishonest, or your reading comprehension skills are lacking.
In her writings, Rand was NOT opposed to "charity" if an individual CHOSE to give to others, she was opposed to "charity" in the form of people ordering a productive person to "voluntarily" contribute (as-in "give, or we'll take it"). Her big point was that if you are TRULY a "free" person, then NOBODY is ENTITLED to your work product. When poor people say "I am too lazy to, or not competent to, create what you created but I WANT it, so HAND IT OVER!" they have NO right to make that demand! Her assertion that the individual is entitled to his own work product is NOT "evil" or "selfish"; it's honest, moral, and consistent both with the view of the founder's of the US and with Judeo-Christian teaching (which includes "thou shalt not steal" and "thou shalt not covet").
Even Jesus NEVER said ANYBODY should be forced to do charity; the charity he encouraged was VOLUNTARY.
When you have something and CHOOSE to give it to the "less fortunate", THAT is "charity".
When you have something and somebody else takes it by force (either to keep or to give to the "less fortunate" of THEIR choice), THAT is "armed robbery"
When you have something and it is transferred, either by force or by your choice, to those who CHOOSE not to be productive citizens, THAT is "enabling"
Evidence of this being a Biblically-moral position? Try the Apostle Paul's 2nd letter to the Thessalonians:
"... For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you; Neither did we eat any man's bread for nought; but wrought with labour and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you: Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an example unto you to follow us. For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies. Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread. ..."
Most TEA Partiers CHEER for prosecution of employers of illegals and would happily see H1-B visas ended.
The claim that ANY job is a "job an American will not do" is a COMPLETE LIE. Mike Rowe has proven this wrong time and time again on "Dirty Jobs". The truth is that there are many jobs an American will not do FOR SUPPRESSED WAGES.
Two important points:
1. The law of supply-and-demand says the job will go unfilled until the offered salary is high-enough that somebody will take it. As the offered price rises past that point, the supply of applicants will grow. When the supply of applicants is large enough to satisfy demand, the employer will feel no pressure to increase the offered wage (so it will stop rising). This is all wonderfully self-regulating.... until corrupt crony capitalists bribe politicians to change the laws to let them escape the law of supply-and-demand with foreign labor.
2. If these are "jobs Americans will not do", then WHO will do them after the imported workers become citizens????? (hint: a new wave of illegal immigrants and H1-B visa holders...)
Then then bad-actor companies will just change their business model from "fraudulently contracting out cheap labor" to "fraudulently selling potential citizenship" from the limited H1-B pool. Why would wages rise?? Employees might accept less for a head-start in the arduous process of US citizenship!
When each cohort of employees leave the H1-B system to find other US jobs (not necessarily the ones they were hired for on paper) then the bad companies will simply grab a new willing batch and continue.
By making it a path to citizenship, you allow private companies to profit by selling a public resource.
The fellow asks about workers being forced to train their UNQUALIFIED replacements and the fool responds that the workers shouldn't expect to get jobs they aren't qualified for...
Is this guy a robot? Because his response sounds like what a PR robot would say if I jammed my arm up his muppet ass and twittled my fingers.
Obviously the laid off workers were qualified for the work because they were doing it and they trained their replacements.
So... Would kermit the PR guy like to respond? Anyone want to jam their arm up his ass and see if they can provoke another robotic fucking response?
What was most odd about that exchange was that the fellows were presuming to joke as if their commentary were witty or contextually relevant.
The entire thing is baffling.
I've decided to stop wasting my time responding to AC trolls/sockpuppets... so if you want a response from me... login.
Nobody's going to hold you up and carry you around..
I dunno. Wasn't what they did to the French nobles back arount 1789?
So...they are good enough to train their cheap replacements but not good enough to do the job. Right. Lars Dalgaard is an evil man.
I don't get it. If they're so incompetent that they can't be kept as workers, how can they be competent enough to be training their replacements?
Why don't all the workers collectively agree to not impart their obviously flawed work skills and knowledge to their replacements?
If my boss came to me and said that he was replacing me, I'd say fine. Documentation is on the wiki, the source for everything is written up as literate programs, the only things out-of-date are and --- if you want me to up-date those, call me tomorrow and we'll work up rates.
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Say that the system is difficult to develop and get running. The decent programmers need to build it, but you can hire sub-standard programmers to maintain and add to it?
That said:
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Walmart employees in Quebec, Canada tried to unionize. Walmart just closed up shop and went someplace else laying off everyone. Year later (10 actually), they lose in supreme court and are forced to pay damages. However no word on what those damages are, and I bet they are fighting that. Not to mention the fact they the folks don't get jobs back, or retroactively for the last decade. On top on that, the people who work at Walmart, aren't exactly going to be rolling in it either, many would have lost big in the meantime trying to make ends meet while waiting a decade for maybe some kind of court settlement. It is no wonder that employees are afraid to unionize. Unions have been getting busted or weaker for a long time now. Which if you think about it is crazy, when we start talking about the 1% and how the we have never had such wealth inequality before...
It's also because if you roll over, they screw you on the benefits. "Let go" becomes "quit" or "fired", which can impact unemployment payments, and they often also threaten your severance or even pension (if there is one).
Yeah, it's just comparably better than the other place, where the thermostat is set to 200f.
Actually, it sounds like a lot of the choices we're given these days, be it employment or political party...
so why not just collectively request an H–1B visa audit? Maybe a few losses on cases like this would bring attention to the abuse rampant in the system...
Both Cobut and Dalgaard are not US citizens and are foreign nationals. We have now degenerated to the point where foreign nationals are telling us that we need to hire more foreign nationals, like their brothers, cousines, and the legions of whores that they require.
Then why are the workers being forced (extorted) to train their replacements? Seems to me if the previous employees were so incompetent, their employer wouldn't require them to train their replacements.
Ken
Racists gonna race
This Union contract I have right here is VERY MUCH legal and binding. I work in the US. You guys keep doing your damnedest to kill off the Unions, and you wonder why your boss is taking a shit right down your throat. Guess who isn't getting replaced by Habib? This engineer right here, that's who.
Maybe that AC didn't but I sure did. You're ate up with the MBA culture. You refer to real, living, breathing people as unskilled, skilled, and "talent". I bet you also somehow make them synergize vertically integrated from source to shipment while emphasizing high value, cost effective problem solutions.. You're so deep into the shit pond of "human resources" that you everything you see is brown and you've grown immune to the stink years ago. You and people who think like you are part of the problem, not the solution.
SO like he said: "they are willing to make greater sacrifices that[sic] most Americans are used to." You sound jelly, bro. Try cheating next time.
Simple solutions rarely work because the world is not "simple". Within ten seconds of reading your post, the first way to route around this is for the corporations to lobby/cheat/steal/whatever it is they do to set the TOP MARKET RATE to the rate they WANT to pay H1Bs. When they do that, they will dissuade Americans who want those jobs because who's (with college skills) gonna work for $22K/yr (the hypothetical new TOP MARKET RATE)? That just gives the company justification to hire EVEN MORE H1Bs. In the future, try running your ideas by a random child on the street before posting them on /. and making yourself look retarded.
He is also a billionaire, part of the 1% club, which clearly hates labor (the peasants). He founded SuccessFactors before selling it to SAP. He ran it with a skeleton crew and contractors every which way. He touted how awesome and wonderful the company was to the employees that ate up that propaganda, asking them to work harder so he can shove more money in his pockets. Lars is a bag of shit.
You aren't even trying are you? He said quite plainly "And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him." Jesus was a proponent of a "charitable" government- the matter of who's decision it was, was irrelevent. You are a terrible debater like most Xstians. You're bad and should feel bad for being bad.
Classifications assist people in understanding the dynamics that make things like the processes behind CEO pay understandable. It's easy to say that they're "greedy" or "corrupt" or some other useless moralizing explanation of what is going on, but it really doesn't explain it. Poor people can be greedy and corrupt too, and that doesn't make them squat.
It's easy to poke fun of buzzwords as well. The difference between the gibberish you wrote and the buzzwords that those people use is that their gibberish makes them shitloads of money.
I'm less concerned about getting angry about the situation and more concerned about understanding how you can have what appears to be non-performing executives make metric fucktons of money. The answer is very simply that they get their money the same way that a popular artist or a popular singer does it. That is to say, some degree of skill or talent, followed up constant, and merciless promotion of themselves and their story as a product. And, like rock stars or other people who sign their contracts before they have to produce anything new, CEOs don't get fired for shit work, they just don't get re-signed.
You're probably confusing my "rock star" comparison with me thinking CEOs or people like that are talented artists or something. While some certainly have real skills, I'm more concerned about the comparison of how they make deals for employment and obtain bulletproof compensation (ie. they sign actual contracts with provisions on a more equal footing to corporations than most individuals can).
My question is why are these people training their replacements. Why didn't they walk out the door and leave the company hanging?
I understand that it is a few more months pay but is the money worth what you are being screwed over for? Really why would you help out a company that has no loyalty to its employees. Are you the guy that helps the mugger steal an old woman's purse? If you don't walk out you are only helping someone that doesn't give a fuck about you or your family.