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Men's Rights Activists Call For Boycott of Mad Max: Fury Road
ideonexus writes: Aaron Clarey, author of the blog Return of Kings and prominent figure in the Men's Rights Movement, is calling for a boycott of George Miller's new edition to the Mad Max franchise "Mad Max: Fury Road," calling the film a "Trojan Horse feminists and Hollywood leftists will use to (vainly) insist on the trope women are equal to men in all things..." and citing the fact that "Vagina Monologues" author Eve Ensler was brought in to coach the actresses on playing sex slaves who escape a warlord's possession. Critics have been applauding the film, which currently scores 98% on RottenTomatoes.
Is it the 1st of April already? My watch must be a few months off...
Leave it to the MensRights activists to one-up the absurdity of our dialogue over social issues.
I was astonished to see it open at 9.0 on IMDB. I had read that it's just one big chase scene with no plot. Is it actually interesting?
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
I can't hear you over this tiny, tiny violin.
P.S. have any of these idiots ever heard of the Streisand Effect?
Good grief, dude. Not everything has some deep underlying 'message'.
It's a Mad Max retake. Weird vehicles, Crap blowing up. Post apocalypse...
It's a gorram movie.
Had you not so thoughtfully informed me, I would never have known, or wanted to know, that some woman associated with the "Vagina Monologues" was also involved with this. And you know what? I not not give a rats ass.
I don't watch Mad Max for it's deep social message.
Well, I was on the fence about spending money on this movie, but this has ensured that I will. (If this is a bit of false outrage generated by someone attached to the movie in some way, they're definitely earning their pay.)
Except, well.... men aren't a majority group.
I have a hard time imagining any remake being better than the original. It little dialog, but excelled at making you feel for the characters and what was happening at the moment.
Tie that will a limited budget, it was showed they knew how to create a great movie.
Maybe not in terms of the planet's population, but in many industries and in positions of power and authority, men are still a majority.
No...because they feel that empowerment slipping away, and they fear payback.
Advocates of social progress and civil equality always eventually emerge victorious, and the stubborn, narrow-minded bigots clinging to the status quo always eventually lose.
Yeah, real good idea. Tie what shred of credibility you might have left to telling people not to see a movie that has already blown the doors off the theaters. Hey Clary, what's your encore: sticking a pencil in your eye?
Just skimmed the article. Summary: Max Max might be woman-friendly. Even if you were remotely interested in this thing, it still is unproven click-bait.. Let's keep the amount of comments as little as possible and save it for 'news that matters' (even for non-nerds).
Am I anti-men thinking this sounds really stupid or have I just internalized my philogyny?
Men's rights and white power groups and other groups that "fight" for the rights of an already empowered majority exist only because they choose to ignore history.
There are no such thing as "group" rights. If a man is denied custody of his children during a divorce procedure, that isn't some how okay because his grandmother was denied a job. Whining about a movie is silly, but MRAs have some valid points about discrimination against men in family law. For instance, most domestic violence laws are written as if men are the sole abusers, when most DV is actually perpetrated by women. In California, the police can only arrest the "dominant" (physically stronger) partner, regardless of who was the initiator or the aggressor. So a woman can attack her husband, and he goes to jail.
Disclaimer: I haven't seen the movie.
Some idiot writing something on a web site is hardly news particularly when it's a bitter divorcee talking about mass entertainment. What is this doing on Slashdot? Or is the new revenue model to woo readers away from Jezebel and Salon?
---- The above post was generated by the Turing Institute. Maybe.
Men might still be prevalent in positions of power and influence, but there are developments on this issue that worry some people (not all of them men either). Not because man's position of power is threatened, but because in some cases the pendulum swings a bit far the other way. For instance, primary schools (and increasingly high schools as well) are thoroughly feminized institutions these days, and it isn't helping education. Political correctness spurred by feminists gets picked up by mainstream media and politics, and sometimes taken to ridiculous lengths. And I do not doubt that this sort of thing has its influence on Hollywood as well. Bill Maher said it right when claiming that it has become somewhat politically incorrect to be a man.
Without arguing the rights and wrongs of each of these examples, it's not a surprise that a "men's rights" movement has sprung up. And it's also not a surprise that this group apparently mirrors the feminist movement: with some level-headed people bringing real issues to the public's attention, and with some moronic cretins who see social injustice in everything
If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
There's been too much violence, too much pain. But I have an honorable compromise. Just walk away from this article.
For fuck's sake.
First of all, Aaron Clarey himself says he's not an MRA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Second of all, so what if he was?
I'm tired of MRAs being the boogeyman of feminists looking for someone to blame everytime a tampon slips out of joint.
Oh, was that sexist?
Or did I get to say that because I'm a woman and not "punching down"?
Feminists are allowed to "disown" or "hide" any of their own rank that doesn't play along with the narrative (such as: #killallmen or the SCUM manifesto). Do MRAs (the quiet, non-extremist variety) not get the same benefit of the doubt? Is that really equality, women?
When was the last time you actually talked to someone claiming to be an MRA, rather than just shouting them into silence before actually listening to their points of view? Or do you just blindly listen to The Mary Sue and Jezebel, because they've never shown any biased reporting, right?
This isn't because I'm an MRA (I'm an egalitarian; there's room at the table for everyone with a gender-based axe to grind). I'm just annoyed with feminism needing any enemy to latch the hate onto every time someone dare criticize a woman for anything, instead of, you know, dealing with it like grownups do.
Especially since Eve Ensler wrote a piece that is supposed to be empowering to women that condones not only rape, but statutory rape.
So, feminism, can I broad-brush blame you for that? Is that okay?
Some people don't believe in fairies. I don't believe in The Patriarchy.
Some of the points the men's right movement are valid and worth debating, such as disparity in prison sentencing and child custody. However, this Return of Kings guy is a fucking moron.
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the (supposed) good of its victims may be the most oppressive
and they fear payback.
I think that is a relatively healthy fear.
I am not a "men's right's activist", nor am I feminist. I don't believe in men's rights, or women's rights or any kind of "group rights." Just individual rights. Equal rights to all under the law. Cover the individual and cover every smallest minority imaginable without playing favourites.
Growing up, I knew a lot of men who went through divorces. They would all complain about how biased the system was in favour of their ex's and how screwed they were getting. I always assumed they were just bitter and angry and biased themselves (I was taught that there is always two sides to every story). Until I went through a separation myself, and my lawyer (who represents both men and women and comes across as a very down-to-earth guy; e.g he urges his clients to seek mediation and not litigate whenever possible), told me flat out that in his experience the system is biased in favour of women. That's not necessarily feminism, in fact it's ANTI-feminist because it treats women like helpless, disadvantaged charity cases who need the support of men to take care of them. But I think that's what a lot of "men's rights activists" fear, and rightly so. It's unfairness in the disguise of seeking fairness.
Part of "being a man" is not being a whiny bitch.
Just sayin'.
-Styopa
Why is this on Slashdot? Has Slashdot become this clickbaity? Secondly, Charlize Theron has said herself that Mad Max is "an incredibly feminist action film" and "It's a total empowerment of women,". Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wir...
I've also heard the synopsis of the film, and it sounds like Charlize Theron's character is the main character in the film and women come to the rescue in the film. It sounds like it really sidelines Mad Max in an attempt to push a political agenda, I liked the Aliens movies, but it wasn't a bait and switch like Mad Max appears to be -- we knew that Sigourney Weaver was the star.
They didn't need these clowns to help convince me.
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More and more women are losing custody of their children. I'm an example, have custody of three children. Men's rights are alive and well.
> Did people not enjoy the Matrix because Trinity kicked a bunch of ass?
That's a poor example. A better one would be if "The Matrix" was titled "Neo" and then involved Trinity kicking a lot more ass and being the main character, rather than Neo.
"In essence, Fury Road consists of one extended – albeit gloriously insane – chase sequence, but not much else. .. In the grand scheme of things, however, Theron and Hardy have little to do in terms of range or even dialogue, and while there may be a good deal of overt feminist subtext on the surface of Fury Road, there’s not much beneath the gravel rev."
This isn't a call for a boycott.
Well, let's see what TFA says:
Not only REFUSE to see the movie, but spread the word to as many men as possible.
What part of the word "boycott" do you not understand?
Am I part of the core demographic for Swedish Fish?
Plus one informative.
Am I part of the core demographic for Swedish Fish?
Men's rights and white power groups and other groups that "fight" for the rights of an already empowered majority exist only because they choose to ignore history.
I have a cousin, who for gender-related reasons, is having difficulty getting into college. Is this right? No, you do not get to know the gender of my cousin, that is irrelevant to whether or not it is right or wrong.
These people that you think are ignoring history, they really aren't. The men's rights groups that fight for discrimination that favors men, as wrong as they may be, aren't ignoring history, they are trying to preserve it, to preserve their power and influence. Again, I am not saying such groups are right, just that they are not ignoring history.
Likewise, the men's rights groups that fight for a genuine end to discrimination instead of discrimination that disfavors men, they know from history that hate just leads to more hate, discrimination just breeds more discrimination, and that the way to stop it, isn't to change the status quo from discrimination that favors men to discrimination that disfavors men, it is to fucking end discrimination.
But hey, thanks for trying to make this into an "us" vs "them" situation and just overall being part of the fucking problem.
Minority factions push back a little against centuries of white dominance and millenniums of male dominance........and this is what we get? Crying foul for men's rights? Lol. What a frigging joke. I'm a white male who won custody of his children. The mother did not. I feel very comfortable in saying a man can achieve anything they pretty much want in this life through balancing their desires, morals, and motivations, of course.....white men, especially. Arguments like these -- reverse racism, men's rights -- are coming from the lazy white men who actually have to work to obtain a goal rather than have it handed to them on their majority-filled plates.
Who the fuck watches a kickass action movie just so they can find some Tumblr shit to complain about?
Men's rights and white power groups and other groups that "fight" for the rights of an already empowered majority exist only because they choose to ignore history.
I kinda get where you're coming from, but drawing a parallel between men's rights groups and white supremacists is a little over the top, don't you think? Certainly some of these groups are wacky - misogynistic even. But most of them seem to be reacting to what they perceive as a diminution of the value of males in society; they're not attacking women and they're not defending an "empowered majority" status.
BTW, men are not a majority in the USA (or in the vast majority of first world countries for that matter).
Road Warrior was peak Mad Max, it's eminently rewatchable. Thunderdome II, not so much.
I looked briefly at the massive "MRA" "activists" behind this. One mental patient with a wonky web page.
Makes me wonder who's behind the massive publicity behind this non-story.
Meanwhile I have a friend who's paying child support in *two* states for a kid he has sole custody of his only child and putting her through college despite the fact his toxic ex beat the kid. Bue she went to school with the prosecutor, who knows the judge in a small town in Georgia. Backwoods southern justice strikes again.
Family law is still the 900 pound gorilla in the room.
Need Mercedes parts ?
Men's rights are alive and well.
Men's rights are alive and making progress. Slowly.
Not at all the same thing.
If your ideological position allows you to divide people into groups in the first place (men, women, straight, gay, white, black, rich, poor, etc.), then the people who find themselves attacked as a group in the contemporary space based on that ideology will suffer from discrimination and it shows in courts, in laws that are passed, etc. If a group of people is attacked there will be a counter movement created by that attack, why do you find that surprising or even wrong?
Yes, there are men who have genuinely suffered bad consequences of this ideology where they themselves are in no way proponents of any type of oppression towards any group.
As to the movie itself, well the media is the message, I can see how some people can take any media and message and put theirbown perspective on it. But calling for a boycott is not the same as calling for discrimination or violence.
Calling for a boycott is speech. By the way governments hate speech. Canadian government wants to prosecute a group of people calling for a boycott of Israel because Israeli forces are given orders to target civilians on purpose. Canadian government wants to use so called 'hate speech' laws to prosecute those people criminally.
So AFAIC whether there is something or not behind this call for a boycott, it does not make the claims behind the calls into bad faith claims.
You can't handle the truth.
everyone is equal till someone gets divorced/drafted/dirty job or hit in the face
You last point is heavily offset by the gender selection problems in countries that have more people in each of them than entire North American continent. I'm talking about China and India. They're looking at male:female ratios worse than 130:100 in edge cases and female life expectancy is not as high because of childbirth and sanitation issues.
Not arguing with your first points. Here in Nordics, we're traditionally far ahead in the matter of equality of sexes, my home country of Finland was the first one in the world to have women as members of parliament back in 1917, and we've already had a long period when both president and prime minister were women. And many of people who were pushing for equality of sexes, very much a woman-dominated field of study now heavily studies problems with boys and men that emerged when we hit as close to equality as we did. For example, in truly equal meritocracy based school system, boys are heavily disadvantaged in part due to biological difference from girls. By the time you need to pick between your choice of lyceum (high school equivalent which paves way to higher education) or vocational training which leads to blue collar low education job, girls are typically already past the rebellious age while boys are in the grips of it. That causes severely lower performance for boys, effectively pushing many out of higher education in an easily observable pattern. Then there are issues that you mention, as well as having army conscription mandatory for men but not women in our country.
Equality of sexes is very different from goals of feminism, and many of those who were pushing for equality of sexes while calling themselves feminist are now pushing for men's rights around here.
Um..
Just exactly when are you going to stop helping females and take your foot of the back of young men? The ratio is 60/40 now-- when will it be "enough" to stop having hundreds of groups helping females but few helping males?
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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07...
Most institutions of higher learning, except engineering schools, now have a female edge, with many small liberal arts colleges and huge public universities alike hovering near the 60-40 ratio. Even Harvard, long a male bastion, has begun to tilt toward women.
"The class we just admitted will be 52 percent female," said William Fitzsimmons, Harvard's dean of admissions.
Women now outnumber men two to one at places like the State University of New York at New Paltz, the University of North Carolina at Greensboro and Baltimore City Community College.
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seriously--- I'm retired and don't really give a shit- I'm not a "men's" activist-- but I see in my gaming groups and in my in-laws relationships how the males are suffering while the females are still getting assistance and help even tho things are well past 50/50 (i.e. "fair") now.
At the last place I worked before I retired, 70% of managers were females and they openly discriminated in favor of females for team leader positions the ratio was 80% female to 20% male. They did things which would be illegal if a man did it. The law wasn't being equally enforced.
People hire people "like" them unless the government gives them a reality check. Women are equally able to discriminate, behave in a prejudicial fashion, and abuse the power of their positions.
The area where it is imbalanced in favor of males is at the very top. Among 60 year old males- the percentages are m ore like 80% male and 20% female. Where we need affirmative action is at the top- not in the bottom or even in the middle any more.
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
Maybe not in terms of the planet's population, but in many industries and in positions of power and authority, men are still a majority.
...and those men comprise an exceedingly miniscule percentage of the male population. The rest of us in the 99.999th percentile aren't as "empowered" as those guys.
BTW, males DO outnumber females worldwide, but females outnumber males in the vast majority of the developed world.
Good grief, dude. Not everything has some deep underlying 'message'.
Well, I would agree with you...except, they brought in the author of the 'Vagina Monologues", Eve Ensler, to consult on making the film. You do not bring her in unless you are putting in some deep underlying message which she would approve of. For that matter, Eve Ensler would not have consented to consult on the film unless she agreed with the message.
The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
yup
the arc of history is clear: progress is real. it wasn't long ago the idea of gay marriage rights or marijuana legalization seemed distant and impossible
bigots, sexists, racists: they may whine and bitch, or go full douchebag and do immoral things, but their fate is clear and certain: the dustbin of history. they are losing, and they will lose in the end
don't get me wrong, sexists, racists and such losers will always exist. it's just that they will no longer dominate the social, legal, and political status quo like they used to. the fact that they no longer do is, like the arrow of time, proof of the march of history and progress
you will always encounter sexists and racists. a moronic comment on slashdot. a throwaway comment by a loser coworker. a catcall or a tweet from who knows where that momentarily catches your eye
ignore them. they hold no power
such shitbags will always linger like a fungus in a dank basement, the socially malformed pathetics of any society. serious civilization has moved on without them, and will continue to make them more and more irrelevant
like cannibalism and slavery, things that also do still exist, and always will exist, in the dark cracks. but are now an exotic shocking fringe, and no longer dominate our societies
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
History is irrelevant. They exist because somebody is paying for this shit, and with their 'friends' in the press, eh, you get what you see. These are spin offs of the 'religious freedom' thing. With shifting demographics ('cratering' as friend of mine likes to say) loss of supremacy is a big thing to the Angry White Male.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
"If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." - George Orwell
"If you want a vision of the future, imagine a feminist monster truck rally - forever" - Me after watching Mad Max
Men and women have different advantages and disadvantages in life. Men's Rights groups, while it's true that they are often filled with men who have gotten burned in divorces and child-custody battles (and therefore biased and angry), they do actually have a point with regard to certain issues. It's nice and easy to pretend that men have all these advantages over women and no disadvantages, but that's simply not the case. For example, did you know that in France and Germany it is illegal for a man to test the paternity of his children? Courts have ruled that it might cause a man to find out that "his children" aren't actually his biological children, and therefore abandon his wife and the children that aren't his. France and Germany decided they don't want that to happen, so men who attempt to get paternity tests on their children can be thrown in prison and hit with a fine. Men commit suicide at four times the rate of women. Men are the victims of 80% of homicides. Men are far more likely to suffer workplace fatalities. Studies have shown that men get prison sentences 60% longer than women for the same crime, and women are much more likely to serve no time at all in prison after being convicted of a crime ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/... ). Men who are victims of domestic abuse or rape are taken much less seriously than women. Men are far more likely to end up homeless than women. Men are scared of the idea pushed forward by feminist groups that, when it comes to sexual assault, you should always believe the woman rather than giving due process and trying to get the facts.
There's a variety of bad feminist statistics which serve to help reinforce the "female victim" status, but it's annoying when you find out that it's not the truth. Some articles to read:
"Economist’s Glass Ceiling Index Distorts Reality" - an example of biased reporting about women's equality in the workplace http://www.feministcritics.org...
"When Is 19 More Than 940?" - regarding workplace deaths, where the white-latino gap is talked about but the male-female gap is ignored http://www.feministcritics.org...
"Yet Another Example Where Equality Isn’t Equality" - An example of biased lifespan data being used to paint women as oppressed - http://www.feministcritics.org...
"More Workplace Gender Lies From HuffPo" - regarding workplace deaths, where HuffPo pretends that women die as often as men on the job: http://www.feministcritics.org...
TLDR: It's silly to say that men have the best of everything in life.
But even though he's a moron, when it comes time for clickbait sites to start posting about them, guess who they're going to pick. Right--they're always going to pick the morons, because picking the morons is social justice clickbait and picking men who have problems with child custody isn't, thus making any movement that opposes social justice look like morons simply by choosing who to focus on.
(And Slashdot seems to have a gradually increasing number of clickbait social justice stories lately.)
get the popcorn!
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
1. Return of Kings is not MRA. Return of Kings is anti-MRA. That's a pretty big difference.
2. It's not plural activists. It's *one* guy.
3. This is the first time ever I've seen someone use RottenTomatoes as a reference for movie quality? Why?
What's the tech angle here?
#DeleteChrome
"In California, the police can only arrest the "dominant" (physically stronger) partner, regardless of who was the initiator or the aggressor. So a woman can attack her husband, and he goes to jail."
You should have added a second disclaimer that you don't know the law. I'm willing to be convinced that ANY DV laws are written as if men were the sole abusers and putting that aside I have seen a surprising number of women prosecuted for DV, even when they are petite and the violence is de-minimus. (IAAFormer Prosecutor.)
I bet only because their mother is junkie, prostitute and serial murderer at the same time or something like that. Anything less would result in custody for her..
I go to see Mad Max movie for Mad Max.
If you go to see John Wayne in Chisolm, you expect to see cattle barons fight in the west you don't expect to see the little girl from True Grit. So is this a Mad Max movie (Hard to do without Mel Gibson to begin with) or is it Tank Girl.
You really should. It's the best and most competent action movie in years. The practical effects and amazing vehicle fabrication alone are worth the price of admission.
Eat the rich.
I think this is the first time I've seen "MRA" in a slashdot headline (I could have missed some, but I do check reasonably often). It's certainly the first time Return of Kings attention-getting trollish posts (including stuff like "why girls with short hair are damaged" and "why to date a girl with an eating disorder") has baited slashdot, that I'm aware of.
But the bigger concern is- is slashdot going to really enter this territory? This is hugely controversial stuff. We've already seen "feminism Friday" become a thing- normally some genderwarrior-bait story near the end of the week, normally told from a feminist perspective- sometimes legit, sometimes not. One piece that is largely controversial on slashdot is the "should we bend over backwards to get girls in tech" thing, obviously built in controversy for a bunch of professional tech people, and we see it *over and over again*.
But this is beyond that. You would expect people to have differing opinions on that stuff, and whether you are opposed or in favor, it's pretty relevant. Random gender warring stories, such as this, are not.
I'll also point this out: the editorial staff seems to be pretty strongly on one side. It may be difficult to give MRAs a fair shake, but certainly, by calling RoK an MRA website, and by linking that as the first thing ever, they aren't even fucking trying. This would be like calling out "feminists" and then linking to some really ludicrous 70s-edge position as being the standard-bearer. A Voice For Men's website is probably a better place to start if you want to actually go find non-strawmen points to analyze / refute- they at least self identify as some version of MRA, not some reactionary / PUA crossbreed like RoK.
The people who discuss these gender things online tend to be full-on soldiers, on both sides. They will do or say anything to slam the other side, they will dox, they will make false claims, they are fighting a fucking war. And you want the slashdot commenters to be in on this? Gross.
I've been thinking about this and I think you're right. Has there ever been marginalized group that has demanded and fought for greater rights and acceptance that did not eventually gain them?
I can't think of one in the US.
You are welcome on my lawn.
This is not the first time in history that women have rights.
This is not the first time in history that homosexuals are accepted.
This is not the first time in history races live together in relative peace.
You are too optimistic.
Have gnu, will travel.
How was it a "bait and switch" if the fact that there are important female characters was widely publicized before the film's opening?
And by "widely publicized", I mean in every single media outlet in the world.
You are welcome on my lawn.
RoK is redpill/PUA movement and has nothing to do with the men's rights movement. In fact, many redpillers despise the MRA movement and are generally want to move back to traditional male and female roles.
I love it, who else but millennial women fall for this neo-feminist bullshit?
Don't tell me how "sexist" Hollywood is when you're profiting from it, and don't tell me there are no good female leads/heros, if you say that it just shows you don't watch any scifi.
And also don't tell me about drought shaming when you've got a giant mansion.
All this political tripe is to garner attention for the movie, it's so damn cynical, seriously Hollywood has done more damage to this country, its morals and ethics than most realize.
Be careful who you let tell your stories.
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
It would be so if only MRAs actually cared a fig about discrimination or violence against men.
If you follow the movement, you'll see it has a lot less to do with making anyone's life better and a lot to do with attacking women.
Ah yes, the classic "pay no attention to the rationality of the argument, I can assure you that somehow it's all about invisible oppression."
This appeal to emotion is something I've never understood. Does logic warp in the presence of such accusations? Do valid points become invalid if countered with claims of misogyny? Is 2 = 2 somehow not correct because the author was accused of being an MRA (and therefore bad by association)? How do you rationalise away the valid points about discrimination against men by claiming that arbitrary persons attack arbitrary women?
I'm kind of in two minds here. I think I'll hedge my bets by pirating it but deleting it without watching it. Or at least not properly paying attention.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Is the difference only due to China?
PlusFive Slashdot reader for Android. Can post comments.
Still, when you look at some proxy variables for discrimination, such as imprisonment, homelessness, victimization rates in violence, suicide rates and average lifespan it's quite interesting how most groups suffering discrimination are overrepresented in those negative outcomes. Except when it comes to women vs. men, when apparently women are so discriminated against, yet somehow seem to avoid actually suffering from the worst outcomes that usually follow such discrimination.
But well, hey, they're not as well represented on corporate boards, which most men are.
What is a reference for movie quality, if it's not a site where movie reviews are aggregated?
Do you have some machine that measures movie quality?
You are welcome on my lawn.
yup
the arc of history is clear: progress is real. it wasn't long ago the idea of gay marriage rights or marijuana legalization seemed distant and impossible
bigots, sexists, racists: they may whine and bitch, or go full douchebag and do immoral things, but their fate is clear and certain: the dustbin of history. they are losing, and they will lose in the end
don't get me wrong, sexists, racists and such losers will always exist. it's just that they will no longer dominate the social, legal, and political status quo like they used to. the fact that they no longer do is, like the arrow of time, proof of the march of history and progress
you will always encounter sexists and racists. a moronic comment on slashdot. a throwaway comment by a loser coworker. a catcall or a tweet from who knows where that momentarily catches your eye
ignore them. they hold no power
such shitbags will always linger like a fungus in a dank basement, the socially malformed pathetics of any society. serious civilization has moved on without them, and will continue to make them more and more irrelevant
like cannibalism and slavery, things that also do still exist, and always will exist, in the dark cracks. but are now an exotic shocking fringe, and no longer dominate our societies
You okay there, buddy? Need a napkin to wipe away all that frothing at the mouth? A hug or two?
Men's rights and white power groups and other groups that "fight" for the rights of an already empowered majority exist only because they choose to ignore history.
There are no such thing as "group" rights. If a man is denied custody of his children during a divorce procedure, that isn't some how okay because his grandmother was denied a job.
I think an unbiased system would be female skewed since mothers tend to be more dedicated than fathers but I don't know if the system is in fact unbiased. (And yes, I'm sure there exists seemingly unjust anecdotes on both sides).
Whining about a movie is silly, but MRAs have some valid points about discrimination against men in family law. For instance, most domestic violence laws are written as if men are the sole abusers, when most DV is actually perpetrated by women. In California, the police can only arrest the "dominant" (physically stronger) partner, regardless of who was the initiator or the aggressor. So a woman can attack her husband, and he goes to jail.
Disclaimer: I haven't seen the movie.
Is that an actual policy or are you making a generalization.
Certainly DV by women exists, perhaps it's even the case that incidents the could be classified as DV are more commonly done by women.
But the strength difference between men and women is pretty drastic, I have little doubt that the most severe abuse is overwhelmingly committed by men.
I stole this Sig
Has there ever been marginalized group that has demanded and fought for greater rights and acceptance that did not eventually gain them?
NAMBLA is an organization based in New York and San Francisco that wants to reform age of consent laws. What progress has it made?
there have been exotic glimmers of true fairness and equality, always. but they were on the edges of civilization, were fragile and fleeting, and not enshrined rights hard fought for at the centers of power. now they are
progress is not a straight path, it's two steps forwards and one step back. it will always be a fragile growth prone to breakage and backsliding. and then pick up again and resume
and if some horrible world changing event occurs: an asteroid, a plague, then i am sure we will backslide back into barbarism and lose our progress
but as long as civilization is stable, then we are on a new path of rights we have never, ever had in this world anywhere remotely on this scale before. your exotic historic oddities don't remotely compare
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
this is not a dating site. if you're interested in such things you should be happy to know that gay rights are increasingly accepted. good luck to you and your romantic interests
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
That web site is not an advocate for "mens rights", it's a flaming, garish train wreck of a crock of shit. (Tell us how you really feel)
waat?!
It's Starbuck!
I want a boycott of all remakes, reboots, and ripoffs of every decent movie made in the last 30 years. How about Hollywood coming up with something original for a change?
This movie, Mad Max: Fury Roads, looks extremely well crafted from the previews. It looks like a cross from Cirque du Soleil and the old Mad Max. I've only watched the previews, and I can't tell for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if the so-called activist wasn't getting paid for his manufactured "outrage" as a form of guerrilla tactic by the movie creators themselves.
If you guys really want to watch a movie that's upsetting for men's rights to watch. Watch Hitch. The main character, Hitch, is supposedly the one exploiting women, and there is a political message obviously embedded in there, but somehow, the smart hot woman he is after is the one who is constantly treating him like crap. And the more she treats him like crap, the more he falls in love with her. In the end, they end up together, but I'm not even sure why that is. He's obviously in love with her, but there is no indication she even likes the guy (except for the jet ski sessions and all the other free stuff he gives her may be?).
And before someone starts criticizing my observation because the pathetic character in Hitch was the male this time, I can think of quite a few movies where it's the woman who is stuck in a one-sided love and the situation is the complete opposite. It's just that in those other movies, that kind of pathetic behavior doesn't get celebrated by the audience and those other movies do not come out specifically on Valentine's day as a model for couples to watch together and emulate.
Except, well.... men aren't a majority group.
Why would this be a "troll"? It's a true statement. In fact, as the gender obtaining only 40% of college degrees, they are becoming a distinct minority in well-educated populations.
"Somebody has to do something. It's just incredibly pathetic it has to be us."
--- Jerry Garcia
Oh right lol Starbuck.
In general in BG the men were incompetent emotionally unstable and violent fools while the women were the rational and stable ones who got the job done.
One of the issues is how out of place the females look in their roles. In Flash for example all the female scientists and engineers look completely out of their league. You can tell how strange the role is for them. It makes for terrible acting performances. Actually one of the coproducers is gay and has publicly stated it's his goal to include more gay characters and actors. Eddie Thawne's actor is actually a very flamboyant gay person in real life (just watch an interview), which may explain why he looks so stiff and awkward playing the role of police jock/boyfriend to hot girl.
Do all MRA cucks tend to write in the style of movie supervillains?
Instead of coming up with some diversionary snide remark, you should have just apologized and acknowledged that "You're right, fey000, I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. As usual."
"Somebody has to do something. It's just incredibly pathetic it has to be us."
--- Jerry Garcia
> Men's rights and white power groups and other groups that "fight" for the rights of an already empowered majority exist only because they choose to ignore history.
The fact that you automatically assume that it will always go the man's way is exactly why such groups exit. There is a protective double standard that exists in our society that will drown out men that complain in general. Never mind if it's a man vs woman conflict.
The whole Jessie Ventura libel thing was a perfect example of this.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
...there are serious people and then there are clowns.
I'm the first to stand up and say that feminism in its current incarnation is just as evil as any other -ism and regularily crosses the border into misandry. However, portraying strong women in a fantasy world is not an attack on manhood.
Firstly, there's the fantasy aspect. Secondly, there is nothing wrong with strong women, and especially if you're a real man you aren't afraid of them. If you're a weak man, of course, who nurtures his illusion of superiority by surrounding himself with people even weaker than himself...
Unless the movie carries an "all men are evil" message, and from what I've seen and read so far that is not the case, I think in an ocean of stereotypical man=hero, woman=princess-in-need-of-saving Hollywood crap we can enjoy one movie every now and than that shows a different facet of life.
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saw it, as a mad max movie it sucked IMO.
max had almost no dialog, no character development.
almost his sole dialog was a monologue to himself/audience
at the start essentially saying "I'm crazy because I failed to save some people after the world went to shit"
He was essentially a cardboard caricature put there to sell a movie with mad max in the title.
If you expect to see a "Roadwarrior" movie with Max as an actual self-sacrificing hero type, skip this movie....
Had some cool visuals for the vehicles though.
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He starts off looking like a hobo, gets captured right at the beginning and cleaned up by the bad guys.
His biggest action sequence is right here when he tries to escape and fails.
You really don't see him go "bad ass" on anyone - although it is implied in one "after action" scene.
He doesn't kill the villain, and never really has any sort of "hey e - do I survive or try to help out" forced on him.
His only real contribution is towards the end when he convinces the escapees that they should head back and take over the place they left.
The movie had some cool visuals, but I think they spent too much time on some scenery shots at the expense of characters.
I'd say the best performance was probably Nicholas Hoult as a "war boy" - essentially he ended up in the mad max role almost.
The only negative I can say is the conversion of his character seemed a little too easy
- from "I'm a bad guy who REALLY believes in what I'm doing" - to -
"Hey, you mean all those fanatical beliefs I held all my life are wrong?"
"Okay I'll do a 180 and now I'm a good guy"
It was an action movie where essentially all the good characters were female, and all the bad ones were male. But they were almost ALL throwaway parts IMO.
Charlize Theron was okay but she did not seem to fit IMO as an action hero. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for bad ass females action movies - Underworld and Resident Evil, but this was supposed to be Mad Max.
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They should have called it "Mad Max: Furry Road."
Look, I don't care about feminists or MRAs... they're both different halves of the same shit sandwich so far as I can tell.
I will say as someone that saw the movie that it is terrible.
First, they made the pitch black 2 mistake... they Necromongered the hell out it. In pitch black 1 they spent almost no money on a very simple action movie that was very popular. In pitch black 2 they spent about 100 times more money on it and the movie was fucking awful. It was very complicated for no reason and was generally no fun.
Second, the plot of Fury Road is completely different from the first three movies. The first movie basically had no plot at all. It was a guy running from some other guys. The second one was about keeping some gas away from from raiders. The third one had some kind of political struggle between Tina Turner and Master blaster... and that was the worst Mad Max movie until Fury Road. Look, the best movie was The Road Warrior. Why? Because it has SOME plot but not a lot. Just enough to sustain the action. It was also a proper post apocalyptic setting.
Third, my god the overdone props. Okay, so your industrial base is smashed because the world has ended. Where are they getting all these custom made props from then? See, a post apocalyptic setting requires IMPROVISED props. Go to a city dump and pick shit up. That is what you're going to use to make stuff. And don't have master craftsman make any of it. Have people that are outright terrible at making things make it. It should look crude.
Fourth, yeah there was a lot of odd feminist stuff in the movie and it could stand to not have that for the same reason that putting a bunch of MRA shit in it would also be stupid.
Would I protest the movie on MRA grounds? Nope. I'd protest it on the grounds that it is a shitty movie.
Its just indy and the crystal skull again. All these great directors are coming back to make another installment of existing franchises and fucking it up... Jar Jar binks style. And it needs to stop.
Something to try instead is get another director. Someone younger and less full of themselves.
I've decided to stop wasting my time responding to AC trolls/sockpuppets... so if you want a response from me... login.
well, resort to an archaic tradition like marriage, get treated like you live in the past. easy as that.
> Return of Kings is not MRA. Return of Kings is anti-MRA. That's a pretty big difference.
Only if you're one of the assholes in either of the those groups. From the outside it all looks the same. Forgive us if we don't distinguish fine gradations between misogynist camps. You can all go your own way for all I care.
In California, the police can only arrest the "dominant" (physically stronger) partner, regardless of who was the initiator or the aggressor. So a woman can attack her husband, and he goes to jail.
[Obligatory]: Citation please?
I mean seriously, this fails the sniff test.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
Ugh, Underworld and Resident Evil? Those movies were so bad and the protagonists more so.
Saw Fury Road, loved its minimalism in regards to dialog. I hate it when movies explain everything to me as opposed to having the audience absorb it through context. I also enjoyed the subtler take on Max George Miller took this time.
Do agree about the War Boy though. Didn't ruin the movie for me but it was a bit of a reach.
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I dunno, why don't you check out twitter for the hashtakg #Istandwithdan where a Men's Rights Activist recently went on a hunger strike for 9 days over the lack of battered men's shelters.
That which is done from love exists beyond good and evil
You'll be really amazed once you stop spending so much time in AOL's chat rooms and start using that Netscape/Internet gateway they rolled out. You might want to start first by looking around Yahoo!'s website. After that, if you need to find something, I find AltaVista to be quite a nice search engine. While it's not nearly as awesome as AOL's keywords, it's the same sort of concept so you shouldn't have too much trouble.
Instead of addressing any of my previous points, he asked a bunch of questions, Fox News-style. "Why won't Barack Obama show his birth certificate?" or, "Is Hilary Clinton a lesbian? You decide!"
This.
I think the word you're looking for is innuendo.
Fox News is not the only practitioner. There are many others, including most notably, Glenn Beck.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
How about a retraction Slashdot for not doing your fucking research.
http://www.returnofkings.com/31590/5-reasons-i-am-not-a-mens-rights-activist
Clearly not a men's rights page. He even has reasons why not.
That which is done from love exists beyond good and evil
Oh, and Aaron Clarey has a rebuttal video about this mess, which is being ignored as it doesn't fit narrative:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Ironic that in that rebuttal he's imploring people to read his original article before passing judgement while at the same time (in that original article) he told men they should boycott the movie without ever actually having seen the movie himself.
Doubly ironic that if he had gone to see the movie, he probably would have enjoyed it like virtually everyone else has. He had assumed that a movie franchise that had appealed to men in the past wouldn't anymore because of some strong female characters and because of who was involved in coaching the actresses. He was wrong. If he was a man, he'd just admit it.
In California, the police can only arrest the "dominant" (physically stronger) partner, regardless of who was the initiator or the aggressor. So a woman can attack her husband, and he goes to jail.
This is not true for California as a whole. It may be a local policy in your county, but I am dubious. In Santa Clara County, police must make an arrest where there is evidence of felony, but that does not mean that they will arrest the stronger partner. The officer will arrest the perpetrator of the felony. (Pg13 of SCC Domestic Violence Protocol)
My anecdote is an incident where a 6'2", 200lbs husband was cut by his 5'4", 130lbs wife. Officers arrived on the scene and arrested the wife, even to the objection of the husband. The blood on the husband's head was evidence of a felony. They were obligated to make an arrest. They arrested the non-dominant partner.
I welcome our new 99% overlords.
Don't know for sure, but I would imagine it's China + India.
My guess is because you've literally never used an internet forum where someone argued over the quality of a given movie before in your entire life. Right or wrong, people have been pointing out Rotten Tomatoes as a barometer of movie quality for years now.
I saw the full trailer last week before Ex Machina - unless the trailer was godawful garbage, to me it looked like the budget was way too high, the action direction cheeky to a fault (e.g the zooms in to childlike sneers) and the color grading was entirely wrong. I like my Mad Max low-budget and gritty - *like the universe its set in*. The vehicles were so overly-elaborate in this one that it broke the suspension of disbelief ("can we get some more spikes on that? Here's another $50K"). Maybe it's full of all kinds of acting brilliance that never made the trailer, but nothing in what I saw made me want to see this installment.
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Anyone who follows the movement knows perfectly well you're flat out lying, which isn't surprising given you're part of the group of people who routinely commit felonies and violent crimes up to and including shootings and bomb threats to try and stop MRAs from getting anything done.
Right now the frontpage of R/Mensrights has the following topics in order:
1. Women getting 12 weeks of maternity leave from the navy while men get 10 days
2. Bahar Mustafa's criminal misconduct
3. A blind father being denied custody
4. An anti-genital mutilation protest
5. A link to a blogpost talking about how sexist it is to treat women like eggshells that can't even handle clapping
6. A discussion of The Guardian's hypocritical comment deletion policy
7. A topic about how male rape victims are completely erased starting even in highschool anti-rape classes
8. The UK Police force admitting it refuses to prosecute women who perjure themselves
9. A blogpost discussing the various studies about rape accusation rates and rape in warzones
10. A discussion about why the media is so incredibly biased in favor of feminism
11. A discussion about whitewashing history, the example given being erasing Margerat Sanger's extreme racism and portraying her as a good feminist role model
12. A lawsuit against a university for violation of equal protection/due process rights
13. A post about a woman who got multiple gifts destroying a man's clothes and threatening him with violence because she didn't feel it was enough
14. A guide to recognize signs of abuse
15. Links to Obamacare's expanded coverage of women's reproductive health... and how it still covers nothing for men
16. An article about male congressmen refusing to be alone in a room with female staff
17. A discussion about where men as a gender are headed if things continue as they are
18. Dan Perrins' hunger strike
19. Links to a poster series in Oz about male victims of intimate partner violence
20. A stanford research study on which environments boys and girls perform best in
21. A discussion about a man who was raped, hasn't seen the police or counseling, whose girlfriend isn't attracted to him anymore afterwards, and who says he's "fine"
22. A TED talk pushing against incarcerating women and lionizing female murderers serving life sentences
23. An update on Vladek Filler's acquittal
24. A discussion about "National Women Build Week" at Habitat for Humanity; The OP was disappointed it was a fake publicity shoot that ignored the only actual female worker
25. A post about Prince Harry suggesting the UK bring back conscription for men.
Meanwhile pretty much everything published by feminist media celebrities like Marcotte, West, and Valenti is a long string of slurs attacking men.
A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
70% of non-reciprocal violence, 50% of all violence overall, and 40% of severe violence is committed by women against men. There are several HUNDRED studies proving this.
A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
See my post above listing the current 25 topics on the R/Mensrights subreddit. The most popular, widely supported, mainstream feminist authors and writers are the same people who joke about actual domestic violence and actively obstruct all attempts at reforming badly broken systems and laws. The mainstream of feminism is so extreme that it's no longer a surprise when felonies or even violent crimes are committed by the large mobs of feminists protesting anything that so much as isn't sufficiently anti-male.
You've got this backwards. Even the most extreme MRAs like Karen Straughan are still orders of magnitude more moderate than the mainstream feminists who pull fire alarms, shove people off of ledges, and sing "cry me a river" to mock suicide victims.
A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
He's also not remotely a part of the Men's Rights Movement, he's a Pickup Artist.
A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
I have a hard time imagining any remake being better than the original. It little dialog, but excelled at making you feel for the characters and what was happening at the moment.
Tie that will a limited budget, it was showed they knew how to create a great movie.
"Fury Road" isn't a remake of any of the existing Mad Max films.
Also, you seem to forget (or maybe didn't realise) that "The Road Warrior"- i.e. the film known as "Mad Max 2" outside North America!- wasn't the original either. Granted, the name change (which was apparently because the original "Mad Max" wasn't well known over there) obscures that, and to be fair, "Mad Max 2" *is* probably the closest to what people associate with the series.
If you watch the original "Mad Max", it's quite obviously a much lower budget (*) (and smaller-scale) exploitation film- around a tenth of the budget of Mad Max 2- and IIRC *was* more character based. For someone who had seen the sequel first, I suspect that it might almost come across as a prequel or set-up for its better known follow-up. From what I remember, the basic elements associated with the later films *are* in place, but don't come together until surprisingly late in the film.
Something like "The Road Warrior" *couldn't* have been done on the budget of the (actual) original. That said, the budget of "Fury Road"- at a supposed US$150m is still *way* higher than even the Hollywood-bloated "Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome" (supposedly US$12m in 1985, which would be around $27m today)!
(*) Something that Wikipedia confirms; the second film was apparently AU $4.5m, whereas the original was around $400,000!
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Whites became powerful because they valued personal and economic freedom among their own people and others.
This is plainout wrong, Whites became powerful when they still had Serfdom. And while England in fact abolished real Serfdom during the reign of Elizabeth I, it replaced it by the Copyhold tenancy, which only get abolished in 1925(!). Russia conquered most of Northern Asia in the 16th and 17th century, but abolished Serfdom in 1861. Nothing with personal and economic freedom among their own people.
STFU you don't speak for me.
Mean what you say...say what you mean.
Nobody had heard of this crappy blog before this. Suddenly it's all over facebook, Twitter and now Slashdot.
Yes. There are some stupid people. Yes. Some of them have blogs. Hell, even ROK itself has a reasonable article about how stupid the media is over this.
I've seen racism and sexism shift back to being normal in my lifetime. I don't think the arc of history bends towards justice, I think it's a constant struggle against normal human tendency to be bigoted and discriminatory.
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MRA? Gamergate?
This is a single blog criticising the film. And it is only criticism and calls for a boycott!
In related news, that crazy old man at the bus stop who claims to speak with god says "The End Is Nigh". The world's media went crazy reporting his words.
[quote]It’s whether men in America and around the world are going to be duped by explosions, fire tornadoes, and desert raiders into seeing what is guaranteed to be nothing more than feminist propaganda, while at the same time being insulted AND tricked into viewing a piece of American culture ruined and rewritten right in front of their very eyes.[/quote]
I'm going to be more insulted by you confusing Max Max with "American culture", when in fact the original Mad Max movies were out-and-out Australian!
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Women have had the right to vote for a century. WYP?
You talk about an unbiased system while in the same breath making an incredibly biased statement. Interesting.
And irrelevant. Abuse isn't about who's stronger, it's about....abusing your partner. You could be a 400 lbs benchpressing linebacker, but it's not going to protect you from being hit with a frying pan while you're sleeping. There's also the heavy societal condition that men should never hit women, even if it's in self-defense.
What helps is to identify the protagonist. By the classical definition, it's the character with change.
Just for the nitpicking: it's not a "classical definition", it's a peculiar definition typical for litterature and movies in the US.
Other parts of the world don't necessarily need a *change*.
(Maybe that's why American have problems understanding european movies).
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What did you have to do that - bomb a school? Women have murdered their husbands in full view his daughter, served time, and still have a say over custody.
You talk about an unbiased system while in the same breath making an incredibly biased statement. Interesting.
So sex differences only exist when they benefit men?
That mothers would be more invested in their offspring is easily predicted by that fact that they have a massive biological investments in their offspring that men lack, it's one of those things that I'll simply cite as obvious.
And irrelevant. Abuse isn't about who's stronger, it's about....abusing your partner. You could be a 400 lbs benchpressing linebacker, but it's not going to protect you from being hit with a frying pan while you're sleeping. There's also the heavy societal condition that men should never hit women, even if it's in self-defense.
Unless you bring a weapon into the equation strength becomes relevant because it creates a power imbalance. I don't deny that female physical abuse exists, it might even be at similar levels to male abuse, but I'm very skeptical that it's as harmful.
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MRAs have some valid points about discrimination against men in family law.
Yes, because most parents who run off and fail to pay support are treated poorly, and those tend to be men, men are treated poorly in family law. Almost always because of their actions.
The men who I see complain are the ones trying to divorce their children with their ex-spouse. It doesn't work that way. Men who fight for custody the whole time fare pretty well. Yes, I know there are exceptions, but in general, the system is fair. It's only biased if you assume every woman is lying and every man is telling the truth, because that's not the standard the courts use.
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then you don't know your history
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
You see a conspiracy where there is none. They had sex slaves in the plot and wanted to do a better than average portrayal, making them proper characters instead of the usual generic dross. They got in an expert to consult.
What exactly are you trying to say? That this person taints everything she touches? Can you provide specific criticism of the film to support that point? Or are you just saying it is a zero sum game and that men must lose out for women to be portrayed positively in movies?
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
It's just an overreaction to the fact that the movie doesn't have the usual "women must be saved by the man, they can't act independently or take the opportunity to save themselves" trope. Max creates the opportunity, he doesn't have to take it for them too. Why isn't that enough?
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Can you say specifically what about primary education bothers you? There is a dire need for more male teachers, but that's not quite the same thing as feminisation.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
This is a "feminist" movie in the same way that Conan the Barbarian is a feminist movie.
While people claiming Fury Road is a feminist movie aren't wrong, I think I would put it like this: Feminism gets in the way of "Mad Max: Fury Road" about as much as veteran's issues get in the way of "Rambo: First Blood Part II". Basically, shit gets ridiculous and everything blows up real good!
You mean like the several hundred journal articles cited right there on that "wanker's homepage"?
A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
So you like a little projection with you non sequiturs?
They have the same long term investment: passing on genes. Biology 101.
What's obvious is you haven't seen the statistics showing that if you have to chose one parent, children are better off with their fathers than their mothers. Drug use, teen pregnancy, graduating from high school, incarceration rates...it's not even close. Before you whine about the web site name, note the copious amounts of sources, and your inability to counter them.
Some part of "abuse is about abuse, not who is stronger" that you have a hard time understanding?
Can't argue with that.
You are welcome on my lawn.
From TFA...
tricked into viewing a piece of American culture ruined and rewritten right in front of their very eyes.
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It's an Australian movie, set in Australia, with Australian actors, Australian Director, Australian Writers.
Piece of co-opted Australian culture... They even drive on the left side of the road - check out IMDb for shots of the yellow interceptors...
Hollywood never co-opts other cultures do they...
The documentation was right there in our promotion and hiring practices. We were specifically taught to select the "most diverse" candidate formally whenever two candidates were close. That wasn't illegal even at such hugely distorted numbers.
The illegal part was the female manager going to lunch with the female team then talking business, making business decisions, deciding strategy, and assigning key positions. You can't document that unless you are there any more than women could document men doing it on the golf course or in their private business clubs (elks, kiwanas, rotary club, etc.) And in the pattern of hiring which was well past 50/50 (as I said 70/30 managers and 80/20 team leaders reporting to managers).
It was also women being allowed to work limited hours because "it's too dangerous for them to work at night" but assigning men to work 2nd shift. And allowing women to take the afternoon off to take care of children but telling men they need to let their wives take care of the kids.
It's obvious and right there in your face. just like colleges being grossly imbalanced and yet people keep assisting females but not males.
All I can do is point it out and hope that enough people will start to notice the facts and think, "Hmm. 60f/40m is ACTUALLY pretty unbalanced. Perhaps young females don't need so much college assistance any more and perhaps young men need more."
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
It's Awesome Vehicle and Character Design The Movie: Lots of Explosions and Practical Effects (2015).
Yup, that's pretty much what "Mad Max" means to me! I don't recall any stinkin' character development in the others - just shit blowing up in a post-apocalyptic wasteland. Last thing we need is another Thunderdome!
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
Seriously. Pathetic, whiny fucks to a "man".
One of the myths has Thor asking for Loki's help to pretend to be a very convincing woman and sneak in to beat up some giants. Much hilarity follows.
It's a trap!
Sorry, I don't buy it. If it was as blatant as you say it was you could easily have documented it with a diary and some memos talking about decisions being made without an accompanying meeting. Other men and women could have done the same and made similar complaints. A bunch of you could have gotten rich.
What do you want to happen if you are unwilling to act, even when it's easy to do so? We don't have police investigating this sort of thing, it's up to you to report it.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
They are basically a Steven Seagal movie...
I could have sworn he only ever starred in two: the one movie that he did remakes of over and over again, and the one where he dies in an exploding plane in the first five minutes.
Life, ultimately, boils down to the Four Fs: Fighting, Fleeing, Feeding, and Mating.
They should be blaming how fucked up family courts are then instead of an entire gender.
No wonder they are not getting anywhere.
Picking on schoolgirls doesn't do anything to get laws passed or judgements questioned.
There's a sex slave subplot with bitter and twisted women so why not bring someone in that can make that fly?
Makes perfect sense to bring her in.
Also the "message" is where the good guys save people from cartoon grade over the top bad guys. Of course she and everyone else agrees with the message.
Because it looked like the sort of thing that could generate 400+ comments and have people looking at the advertisements on the page.
Yes, and the increasing number of things framed as MRA vs SJW fights are part of it. It's the new bitcoin article of the week.
No...because they feel that empowerment slipping away, and they fear payback.
Considering that men die more often on the job, more often off the job, in more violent ways and with higher chance of fatal disease and* kill themselves more often, I seriously wonder what it is "they" fear...
I'm a minority race. Save your vitriol for white people.
Yes I have an escaped apostrophe in "lots" which will have offended the grammar Nazis. Sometimes my typing sucks - possibly due to not being allowed to do typing at school because it was not considered manly back then for boys to be at a keyboard.
Bit of an odd choice since everyone in "The Flash" is either very good at something or has two seconds on screen before being saved.
If their goal is to come across as incredibly pathetic, they are succeeding mightily.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
Forgive us if we don't distinguish fine gradations between misogynist camps.
How dare you! They're the People's Front of Judea, NOT and I emphasise NOT the scum going by the name of the Judean People's Front.
Splitters.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
> Good grief, dude. Not everything has some deep underlying 'message'.
You obviously didn't read the interview with the "Vagina Monologues" lady - who consulted on the file - who basically agreed with everything the Return of the Kings claimed.
You may remember VM as the play which included the famous line "If it was a rape, it was a good rape". Before you get outraged, be aware that this was a lesbian rape and therefore it's OK.
Exactly WHAT makes Eve Ensler an expert on sex slaves
Come on! These are movie people. They might call Bruce Willis to deal with a hostage situation.
Bingo Dictionary - Pragmatist, n. A myopic idealist.
The tone of his post is perfectly calm. I think you've failed in your attempt to cast him as irrational/furious.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
Have you even seen mad mad 2. Nothing explained either.. Except all these bad guys, one in nothing but jocks, wants the refineries fuel, so they drive around lots trying to get it.....
If information wants to be free, why does my internet connection cost so much?
"... who make sure they and their sisters continue to be paid ~25% less than their male counterparts..."
This movie is unabashed gynocentric gender-leveling propaganda of the worst kind. Notice how Hollywood takes a male movie theme with a male protagonist and twists it to present a female protagonist with exactly the same level of strength, skill, violence, and motivation. Hollywood and TV are sculpting the view of reality with regard to the natural inequalities of men and women and destroying the perception of those realities by entire generations. You can walk off the roof of your house screaming that gravity does not exist, but gravity will kill or maim you just the same when you hit the ground. Reality steps aside for no man or woman. And if we deny the natural differences between men and women so effectively that we perceive no differences, reality will degrade our ability to be successful as a nation, indeed, maybe even to survive in a world against enemies that do not lie to themselves about the real differences in nature between men and women. P.S. Just turn on the news and see who is doing the creatively aggressive violence in the world today. Look at which gender is inventing the world-changing technologies, making the ground-breaking discoveries in science. In case your mind is too infected by gynocentrism to get the answer correct, it is men, not women.
E Proelio Veritas.
Expert? So she has some form of psychology degree?
What the GP was saying is that this person is not impartial, potentially has an agenda, and has pulling power that an actual psychologist probably wouldn't have. If instead DR Mann Von Mannerson had been consulted on the portrayal of sex slaves instead, what would the outcome have been? Given how we have actual and real accounts of what happens to women in this situation (It occurs in Somalia currently) why did they need the help of a feminist writer?
What does that have to do with empowerment?
along the lines of "White History Month".
At 3, kids copy their parents. They also know the difference between boys and girls. So, if they see mommy cooking and daddy nailing something with a hammer, they will copy that, respectively.
As a side not, my 3-year old son has both the IKEA work bench and IKEA cooking set. He plays with both, equally. I also have a tendancy to cook more than the wife does. But, I also work on house improvement all the time as well. So, that's how he see's his male role model and will copy accordingly. If we had a daughter she would spend most of her time on her iPad.
So it's a simple ad-hominem attack? Why not make some specific criticisms, instead of just attacking the person? What is the GP's agenda that causes him to act this way?
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
I mean, why write a real story, with multiple, well thought out, paragraphs and words that are more than six characters when you can have some sensationalist op-ed piece on a web page loaded with banner ads.
How was it a "bait and switch" if the fact that there are important female characters was widely publicized before the film's opening?
I knew there was a Mad Max movie, but I didn't know anything about "important female characters" in it. And I do watch movies, but I watch them on Netflix. I don't go to theaters. I don't live near any which are worth going to. I have a big TV and a DTS surround system at home. Why would I go out to rub elbows with the unwashed masses of asses? By the same token, I ignore mainstream media, which is bullshit, and I block ads, which are bullshit. Consequently, I knew nothing of this.
Don't be proud to have been inundated by commercials. That's just sad.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
What does that have to do with empowerment?
It's got everything to do with fear. Man I tell you, if I was part of a demographic that was the majority in college degree's awarded and minority in deaths, incarceration, fatal disease, dangerous occupations, victim of violence, etc ... well, I'd keep my mouth shut :-)
I'm a minority race. Save your vitriol for white people.
This SJW/MRA war is becomign absurd. It has all the hallmarks of the atheist/creationist debate: a heated internet flame war without end or objective, mired in hyperbole and bitter invectives. Why should the rest of us be forced to pick sides between these people?
So take the article as entertainment instead of a call to action. rather than your torch and pitchfork, take up your popcorn and soda.
Problem is, I already know people are fucking crazy, I come from Santa Cruz where there's a wingnut holding down every corner. (They've upped the jackbootery since the mall redesign, though, so there's a bit less of that, now you need a musical instrument in good working order... don't have to know how to play the fucker though)
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
So then it could not have possibly have been "bait and switch" because you weren't going to go see the movie anyway.
You are welcome on my lawn.
You and I are the exception. Pretending that it is somehow normal for the man to receive the kids, or for men to get alimony is BS and you know it.
Also, there is always the abuse laws and rape laws which always favor women over men even though it is shown to occur roughly 50/50.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Among 60 year old males- the percentages are m ore like 80% male and 20% female.
So, 20% of 60 year old males are female? That is an interesting statistic.
So, what fell out of that sentence? I am genuinely curious what you were trying to say there.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
This idiot should run for office. The GOP needs more good ole' boys like him. There's always room for one more in the Republican Clown Car...
So then it could not have possibly have been "bait and switch" because you weren't going to go see the movie anyway.
Ah, but I might have just bought it sight-unseen. I do that sometimes. Now I know better. Will still watch it on Netflix, though.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
it didn't have nearly as much action as I hoped. and that is not sarcasm. previews suggested it would be nonstop cirque du soliel vehicular manslaughter. instead it was... not. and they wasted lots of golden opportunities with that rolling band.
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Oooh, feminists, yuckie! Get them away!
Star Trek transporters are just 3d printers.
I will not be watching, because as I recall all too well from my early teenage years, Mad Max was the most boring film I'd ever seen.
Are colleges at 60/40 as reported in the news article above.
What part of that hard fact do you not buy?
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
Lol.. Let's try that again...
At the lower executive positions on up, where everyone was old, the gender balance basically flipped. But you are talking about under 300 positions in the entire company of 70,000 employees. Essentially every operating division was lead by a male (200+ of those) and the vp positions were 80% male, the CIO was female but the COO, CEO, etc were male, and the BOD was 80% male and 20% female. That level/group was almost all white as well.
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
Wait, you mean you will not buy a movie that you otherwise would have just because there are significant female characters in it?
You are welcome on my lawn.
Clarey is a blogger and writer and does not identify as an MRA. If anything he's more of a MGTOW than anything else. In fact, his book Enjoy The Decline is the antithesis to what MRAs stand for. Instead of trying to change things, he's advocating men stop investing in society and kick back and watch Rome burn rather than try to save it. It's his belief things are simply too far gone at this point for society to save itself by reengaging men and has little to offer in the way of marriage and traditional gender roles that see men as providers and protectors.
"On a scale from 1 to 10, people are stupid"
Never let the facts get in the way of a good story, or in this case a bitch-fest about a story that's been clearly taken out of context. Hell, they couldn't even get the facts right in that Clarey is NOT an MRA. Not one bit.
"On a scale from 1 to 10, people are stupid"
The only possible explanation I can have for this ridiculous claim is that it is a false flag attack designed to destroy Men's Rights.
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This reaction from privileged men tels me that the film is absolutely necessary and bang on target for helping to bring Hollywood into a more balanced approach to telling stories with strong female lead characters.
Hollywood has a huge anti-woman bias in it's hiring practises and in the sorts of films it makes.
Does having a strong female character carry the implication that men and women are equally string in general? No of course not.
Even if we are to assume that men in general are physically stronger than women, having a woman defeat a man takes no more suspension of disbelief than having a smaller man defeating a larger man (which happens all the time in movies). It's not feminism for a character to be stronger than their outward appearance might suggest. It's just Hollywood.
Could the best female mixed martial artist defeat the best male mixed martial artist? Definitely not. But she could probably defeat me along with most men. The fact that the best female mixed martial artist can defeat lots of men, does not imply that women are just as good at fighting in general, and I don't see why any reasonable person would try to infer this.
If you are a girl/woman, the fact is that if your goal is to be stronger than the average man, you are going to have a tougher road to travel than if you were a man (on average). But this is true of all kinds of situations. If you are a short person, and you want to be in the NBA, you will have a tougher road to travel as well. Trying to overcome adversity is part of what life is about.
I'm seriously annoyed because:
1) New Mad Max movie comes out
2) I plan to go see it with no expectations.
3) reviews start to say "It's great", and I hammer them down. Expect great , you'll be disappointed.
4 ) reviews start harping on how feminist it is.
5) I realize now I won't be able to watch it without constantly looking for how feminist it is, or framing the film in feminist terms. It's like someone saying "Don't think of an elephant".
The whole concept...angry men angry they can't get control of others. Nobody cares except other angry men that feel they have no control. Why don't they have control? Because they're not worthy to wield me in the first place.
I think the GP, while painting in a broad and cryptic strokes, is stating that Eva was chosen so as to overtly appeal to women, and not because they were interested in their actors accurately portraying the reaction to being in slavery. They want the public to think "Women won't be treated as objects in this movie (as happens in real world parallels) so come on down and enjoy the movie filled with strong willed women who don't need no man". Had they instead gone with an actual psychologist they probably would have ended up with a more realistic movie where the women would have been completely physically overwhelmed by the patriarchy and subjected to numerous atrocities (as in Somalia today) and would have had zero say in the plot of the movie. It would have ended up just another macho action movie that women everywhere would have been up in arms about.
Eva was not picked to give a realistic response to the situations the women in the movie find themselves in, instead she's there to ensure that women will find the movie enjoyable, which isn't a bad thing!
Here's an entire article with a vast number of comments along those lines:
http://science.slashdot.org/story/13/12/03/1928259/the-brains-of-men-and-women-are-wired-differently
Too old? Then let's try this one:
http://science.slashdot.org/story/15/05/01/2040226/scientists-have-paper-on-gender-bias-rejected-because-theyre-both-women
Not enough? Then try every fucking Friday since probably early March or wait a few days until this Friday for the next "mens rights" bait article.
OK so the three was there and not a goalpost shift - and you'll find them fairly easily from the URLs above or with the quick google searches I used to get those URLs in the first place. Plenty of stuff you suggested would be at -1 but there it is modded up.
Wait, you mean you will not buy a movie that you otherwise would have just because there are significant female characters in it?
No one is impressed by disingenuous bullshit like that question, you can do better, I've seen you.
I will not buy a movie that I might otherwise have bought if I suspect that the plot has been tampered with to make it more PC.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
You believe the plot has been "tampered with"? By whom?
The director is the guy who invented Mad Max, and he's had about as much control over this project as an auteur director can have over a blockbuster film. Who are these dark agents that have tampered with the elemental forces of action films to make this one "more PC"? Do you also believe there is a powerful feminist cabal that forces action directors to bend to their will? Are you convinced this isn't exactly the movie that George Miller intended to make?
It's not my dis-ingenuity you should be questioning, Drinky.
You are welcome on my lawn.
My guess is your view of history is short timed and cherry picked.
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show me where and when rights granted to religious, ethnic, and sexual minorities is as good or was better in as large an area for as large a time, in any previous time period or location
it never was. not even remotely close
oh yes, there were fleeting utopian fragile experiments in tiny areas, or fragile decrees by enlightened rulers that the status quo thugs quickly erased
but what we have now is a large amount of dominant powers in the world and large areas of the world granting a robust spectrum of rights, and have been doing so for some time now, extending them every year
the rights we grant people today was never extended to so many, over as wide an area, for as great a time. never. not even remotely as close and not even remotely as robust as the rights we have now
not that our rights aren't threatened today. our rights are always threatened and always will be. rights require maintenance. we don't live in a utopia, and we can certainly do better
but we are definitely doing better than any other time period in any other location, by a long shot
learn your history, don't subscribe to ignorant mythologizing
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
So what you're saying is you refuse to accept a fully formatted academic bibliography because of where that textual list of nearly three hundred references is hosted? Thanks for proving you actually just don't care about evidence or citations and want some asinine arbitrary reason to refuse to even look at them.
A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."