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Schools That Ban Mobile Phones See Better Academic Results

HughPickens.com writes: Jamie Doward reports at The Guardian that according to a recent study in the UK, the effect of banning mobile phones from school premises adds up to the equivalent of an extra week's schooling over a pupil's academic year with the test scores of students aged 16 improved by 6.4% after schools banned mobile phones, "We found that not only did student achievement improve, but also that low-achieving and low-income students gained the most. We found the impact of banning phones for these students was equivalent to an additional hour a week in school, or to increasing the school year by five days." In the UK, more than 90% of teenagers own a mobile phone; in the US, just under three quarters have one. In a survey conducted in 2001, no school banned mobiles. By 2007, this had risen to 50%, and by 2012 some 98% of schools either did not allow phones on school premises or required them to be handed in at the beginning of the day. But some schools are starting to allow limited use of the devices. New York mayor Bill de Blasio has lifted a 10-year ban on phones on school premises, with the city's chancellor of schools stating that it would reduce inequality.

The research was carried out at Birmingham, London, Leicester and Manchester schools before and after bans were introduced (PDF). It factored in characteristics such as gender, eligibility for free school meals, special educational needs status and prior educational attainment. "Technological advancements are commonly viewed as increasing productivity," write Louis-Philippe Beland and Richard Murphy. "Modern technology is used in the classroom to engage students and improve performance. There are, however, potential drawbacks as well, as they could lead to distractions."

113 comments

  1. imagine that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    now get rid of the stupid ipads and chromebooks (as in, technology in technology classes only) and results will be even better.

    1. Re:imagine that. by TWX · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When I learned mathematics, the technology that we used was intentionally kept below the level of the curriculum we were learning. We didn't get to use even so much as simple four-operation calculators until we were doing double-variable algebra. We didn't get to use scientific calculators with extended functions until we were well into trigonometry. We didn't get to use graphing calculators until we were well into calculus. At each point, the technology was only added once we had demonstrated proficiency with the lower-level skill, so that the calculator made the time-consuming part of the lower-level skill less, so we could focus more on the current lesson. The only use of computers for mathematics that I can remember was in the DOS and pre-Mac-Apple era when we would play Number Munchers in the computer labs. We were literally handed 5.25" floppy disks to boot the computer on, and as such the computer would only do the one function that we were to engage in. For math in the computer lab that was Number Munchers.

      My biggest concerns with the introduction of technology into the classroom are that first, we don't really have any killer-app that justifies the expense, and second, that by using general-purpose computers we are making it very easy for students to use the computers for a purpose other than what's intended. It's extremely easy to get off-task when you have the bulk of the Internet at your disposal, even if there's content filtering. General purpose computers give students almost unlimited choices in what to do, and only one of those choices is the intended one.

      We need the right applications that don't yet seem to exist, and we need computing platforms that are restricted in the use of the computer, to make it function better as an educational platform. We also need to stop introducing too much technology too early, so that students develop basic skills and demonstrate proficiency before they get electronic crutches.

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    2. Re:imagine that. by ZorinLynx · · Score: 3, Interesting

      >as such the computer would only do the one function that we were to engage in.

      Then you had kids like me, who would hit CTRL-RESET to drop to BASIC, then write amusing programs to pass the time. :)

    3. Re:imagine that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The technology has many killer apps that detract kids from listening to the teacher and doing homework, while still getting good grade by sneaking the right answer on the device. This goes on unnoticed until they are tested in the old fashioned way: with pen an paper. And at that time it is already too late to undo months maybe a year of slacking.

    4. Re:imagine that. by stephanruby · · Score: 3, Interesting

      ...we need computing platforms that are restricted in the use of the computer, to make it function better as an educational platform.

      Cheap Chromebooks the sim card explicitly removed and without the wifi password used to fill that niche, but now most new Chromebooks are touch-enabled and they'll be able to run Android soon. In other words, Google is about to mess it all up for parents.

      And it won't be long until one kid figures out how he can download an apk to a usb stick or a memory card, and can play it on a friend's Chromebook. By the time 5th period rolls around, everyone in his school will have seen it done. And within a week or two, all kids who use Chromebooks in the entire United States will have seen it done (even if they themselves do not have direct internet access).

      At that point, parents will just have resell their Chromebooks on Ebay and trade them in, for either paper notepads or old-fashioned electric type-writers. Or they'll be forced to just place the Chromebooks under lock and key like they've been forced to do with the wifi hub, the router, and everything else.

    5. Re:imagine that. by TWX · · Score: 1

      A few smart kids screwing around to find workarounds isn't the same thing as all of the kids being able to get to anything at any time. Working on the device to find workarounds at least requires engagement and interest to focus on a single task.

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    6. Re:imagine that. by sfcat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A few smart kids screwing around to find workarounds isn't the same thing as all of the kids being able to get to anything at any time. Working on the device to find workarounds at least requires engagement and interest to focus on a single task.

      Spoken like someone who has never taught a group of 15 yr olds in a computer lab. I assure you, if it allows them to play games, get out of work, or look cool; the dumbest 15 year old kid will turn into a computer whiz in minutes. I've seen kids who can't speak with even passable grammar and terrible grades complete complex hacks to get around doing work. Many times the hack was harder and more useful than that lesson being taught. People are weird, kids are even weirder.

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    7. Re:imagine that. by stephanruby · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A few smart kids screwing around to find workarounds isn't the same thing as all of the kids being able to get to anything at any time.

      That's not the point I was making.

      All it takes is one smart kid to screw around. Then, he'll be so proud of himself if he finds something, that he'll find ways to show off his trick to as many other kids as possible (especially to the other kids with Chromebooks).

      The same goes for a kid that finds the workaround online, or stumbles onto it through social media. He'll brag to other kids as if he invented the workaround himself.

    8. Re:imagine that. by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      They're all working with the same faculties, you know; geniuses aren't endowed with better brains.

      I have a large and fairly complex plan that puts a permanent end to all homelessness and hunger in the United States, costing less than our current welfare system, softening the blow of economic downturns and high unemployment, and even satisfying the problems of social security old-age pensions. It's a simple set of core actions with piles and piles of justification and analysis attached, rather than a network of fragile and uncertain bits of legislation built in a delicate web of questionable certainty. The beauty of it is that it's quick, easy, and durable; it solves all sorts of social problems through very minor action, through action which cannot fail because failure would come by spite which would only open the door for others to come profit by pushing success: this system will make some people extremely rich, and they will become rich by taking action to house and feed the poor, and yet the well of money they draw from for this is strictly and absolutely limited so as to not create a dangerous drain on our economy.

      Do you think I was able to do such a thing because I was born with a much more capable brain than yours? Do you think it came with the package, a special upgrade you did not receive? Would you determine I'm some sort of in-born economic genius with a brain anatomy functionally superior to yours, genetics which you are denied, above and beyond the collective ability of all other humans on this planet? I have none of that; you have the same facilities I do, simply not put to the same use.

      Your observation is quite right, but incomplete: there is no "smart kid" in the class; you only have one with some interest, and you will foster geniuses by creating interest in them. There are mental techniques to turn humans into intellectual gods, yes, and you can instill them within every single human child who enters your classroom, if only you can push the right button to make that child interested in learning. With those tools, then, you can repeat the same: grant them an interest in history, in mathematics, in languages, in technology, and they will become experts in those subjects in short order.

    9. Re:imagine that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be younger than me. Calculators were forbidden when I took math. I went up to two years of Calculus in high school, and no calculators. In college, only students that had calcs were engineers. All the math courses I took for a CS degree, no calcs.

      Calculators are not needed for high school math, including AP Calculus. IMO, i think the use of calculators in teaching math inhibit the ability of student to fully absorb and understand the subject matter.

    10. Re:imagine that. by Falos · · Score: 1

      The X factor of sheer chance/chaos is significant. If I posit a mediocre, obnoxious riddle to a group of 1,000 people, those who solve it may exhibit a pattern of slightly higher "interest" or higher "intellect" or whatever, but repeated trials will show it's also largely a roll of the dice. I suppose in your frame it'd equate to some line about "opportunity meets effort".

      Nothing contrary here, just highlighting a thought not mentioned yet. To me (local district's IT dept) the takeaway is that whatever the tastes or capabilities of 1,000 students, it's only a matter of time 'till someone finds a workaround. And because knowledge is a contagion (looking at you, thoughtpurchases) everyone is quickly infected and everyone knows. If the workaround is slow, difficult, tedious, harmless, ignore it. Otherwise, tick one more point on your Whackamole card and do a fix.

    11. Re:imagine that. by allonoak · · Score: 1

      My biggest concerns with the introduction of technology into the classroom are that first, we don't really have any killer-app that justifies the expense,

      Not entirely correct: As a math teacher I have found that Desmos (.com or app) is a remarkably good graphing calculator for mid-range algebra 2 students. When the alternative is an $80-120 graphing calculator, it has its appeal. Khanacademy.org has extreme value, when used for extra practice, and digital copies of texts are more prevalent, though current methods of DRM make them often more costly over time than the physical version, if not more up-to-date.

      It's extremely easy to get off-task when you have the bulk of the Internet at your disposal, even if there's content filtering. General purpose computers give students almost unlimited choices in what to do, and only one of those choices is the intended one.

      This is absolutely true, and the main reason that while I recognize the potential value of cell phones, I generally see greater problems in the classroom with their use.


      One thing that hasn't been alluded to yet that I think is VITAL: my students exhibit high levels of technology dependence. Their every spare moment automatically drags them to their device. This is leading to a growing situation where they will entirely ignore a class-wide announcement unless they have been called to attention BY NAME. It's reaching greater levels of absurd every year.

    12. Re:imagine that. by atherophage · · Score: 1

      Sometimes I would be happy if a student found a work-around to the restrictions. At least they're trying something. Many students struggle with simple navigation within the computer. Having students merely select the correct printer is a huge win here. User desktop placement of shortcuts to specific apps and sites is a constant request by teachers - who are severely time constrained - 45 minutes to get in and get out, yeah I get it. But if the student can't click on it the student can't do anything ... and so students are spoon fed icons. As a technician in a large school district malicious willful damage to the computers and peripherals is the bigger concern; some may call that boredom - or a short attention span side effect.

    13. Re:imagine that. by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      It's a bit simpler than that.

      There are all kinds of strategies and techniques geniuses use--the same way a woodworker uses a rotary router upon wood--to achieve maximum utility from their brain. It is a simple tool requiring skill to produce results, as you apply skill with e.g. Krita to draw a digital painting: one tool, hundreds of technical procedures to produce complex results.

      One of the most primary strategies used by the greatest geniuses--not simply experts who excel in a single field of interest, but geniuses who excel at anything they attempt on a dare--is to instill motivation. They examine a problem requiring effort, understand its implications, and find a reason for interest: something they already want, or a new thing they suddenly realize a desire for, is more readily achieved by this new effort. In this way, every task, every study, every problem becomes engrossing; the individual has an unfettered desire to pursue this thing which is lain before him, and so fails to recognize the effort he puts forth, and so puts forth much effort without resistance, and so excels.

      You observe simply that some things require excessive effort to gain an end not sufficiently interesting; were that end more interesting, it would be more pursued. Likewise, the closer that effort is to something interesting--if an aspect of the effort itself is discovered interesting, or if each step of progression directly translates to a useful step of progression in something else interesting--the more strongly it is pursued. Simply put: if upon completion of X you can improve Y, completing X becomes interesting because of Y; if by way of progressing toward completion of X you improve Y, X becomes interesting because it is essentially Y as well.

      You observe, of course, that turning the second situation into the first is a good control for humans: if doing 10% of X grants you 10% of Y, and you do not want people interested in Y to perform X, then you must adjust the system surrounding X, Y, or both such that completing X grants Y, or such that X has less impact on Y, so as to require more effort for returns and less returns for effort.

    14. Re:imagine that. by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      New York mayor Bill de Blasio has lifted a 10-year ban on phones on school premises, with the city's chancellor of schools stating that it would reduce inequality.

      I"m still trying to figure this one out.

      How the hell does not talking/texting on a cell phone during school hours exacerbate inequality??

      If anything, I would think everyone NOT having a phone on them during school hours would put things MORE on an equal playing ground, no?

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    15. Re:imagine that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, look at this special snowflake! He also knows that everyone is born with equal mental faculties and he could solve all the worlds problems if only the world didn't suck so much and people weren't mean to him. How incredibly useful.

  2. Schools that ban game consoles see better results by The+Real+Dr+John · · Score: 2

    Shocking

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  3. Reduce Inequality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If that's really what lifting the ban does, then I'm fine with it. I just don't see how allowing phones will accomplish this (ie - I have an iPhone 6 and you're stuck with a hand-me-down MicroTac).

    1. Re:Reduce Inequality? by ganjadude · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      what??? What next? dictating that kids cant wear jordans only shoes from payless because of inequality??

      Im all for banning phones because they are a distraction but lets stop with the social justice mmm'kay?

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    2. Re:Reduce Inequality? by EvilSS · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If that's really what lifting the ban does, then I'm fine with it. I just don't see how allowing phones will accomplish this (ie - I have an iPhone 6 and you're stuck with a hand-me-down MicroTac).

      Lower-income schools tend to have more security such as metal detectors and bag searches in NYC. This caused an odd business to pop into existence where students would pay private businesses (usually vans that stopped outside the schools in the mornings and afternoons) to store the phones during the day. Public schools in more affluent areas don't have these security measures, so students there could get away with just carrying the devices into the school. Keep in mind a lot of kids walk to school in NYC so the worse the neighborhood, the more you probably want your kid to have a phone to call home in case of emergency, and yet due to the increased school security and the blanket ban on cell phones, they are more likely to be the ones forced to either not do so or pay for storage during the day.

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    3. Re:Reduce Inequality? by TWX · · Score: 1

      Got a citation for this one? Sounds like a good way to lose your phone to a thief.

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    4. Re:Reduce Inequality? by tnk1 · · Score: 2

      Older than dirt is the idea of school uniforms. Which would effectively reduce the perception of inequality in a school.

      You know, I don't think I would have minded a school uniform in my public school, if it was reasonably comfortable and didn't look heinous.

      I don't think we should ban things due to "inequality", but being harassed about what you wear is something you get in places with a high degree of immaturity, such as high school and LA. And honestly, from the other side, there is envy from the have-nots for the people who have things. Due to social development of children and teens, it can be overly pronounced and highly distracting.

      Of course, I am not sure how unbanning cell phones helps with "inequality". I'd think that telling Richie Rich with his iPhone 6 supersized to leave it at home would actually improve perceived equality, because the poor are less likely to have a phone, and much less likely to have a *good* one.

    5. Re:Reduce Inequality? by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      Then seriously have the phone locked up at the front office or something. What they should be doing is making the ability to store the phone during school hours more equal, rather than just giving in and allowing them to be carried during the day.

    6. Re:Reduce Inequality? by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      school uniforms are actually worse for inequality on the grounds that the students need 2 entire wardrobes, one for school and one for outside of a school. It works for the conformity aspect, and it may hide inequality temporarily but its a cost burden that shouldnt have to be paid

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    7. Re:Reduce Inequality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, they do have lockers in NYC don't they? Wouldn't that be logical place to store a phone?

    8. Re:Reduce Inequality? by ganjadude · · Score: 2

      trying to force every discussion on anything into a discussion on social justice is not only pointless, but it turns people off of your cause.

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    9. Re:Reduce Inequality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They were phasing out lockers when I was in high school many moons ago.

    10. Re:Reduce Inequality? by EvilSS · · Score: 2

      Then seriously have the phone locked up at the front office or something. What they should be doing is making the ability to store the phone during school hours more equal, rather than just giving in and allowing them to be carried during the day.

      It will be up to each school to determine their own rules. If they don't, then a set of default rules will be used (phones put away during class, can be used during lunch, etc. It's in the article in TFA I believe).

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    11. Re:Reduce Inequality? by EvilSS · · Score: 3, Informative

      Um, they do have lockers in NYC don't they? Wouldn't that be logical place to store a phone?

      Yes, but they are generally INSIDE the school, past the metal detectors. The old rule banned the phones on school grounds period. They were not allowed in the door.

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    12. Re:Reduce Inequality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh, heh. In the country I live in, school uniforms are universal. But it's easy to tell who the poor kids are. They're the ones who are only drinking water at lunch time.

    13. Re:Reduce Inequality? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      school uniforms are actually worse for inequality on the grounds that the students need 2 entire wardrobes, one for school and one for outside of a school.

      Right, because everybody would only have one set of clothes otherwise.

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    14. Re:Reduce Inequality? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      trying to force every discussion on anything into a discussion on social justice is not only pointless, but it turns people off of your cause.

      But it's pretty relevant in a story involving the disadvantages that poorer kids face at school, although no doubt it's their own fault for having stupid parents.

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    15. Re:Reduce Inequality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Drinking water, they sound like the smart kids.

  4. "6.41%" by fph+il+quozientatore · · Score: 5, Insightful
    6.41% of a standard deviation, according to TFA. Not exactly the same thing.

    As usual, don't trust journalists. :(

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    1. Re:"6.41%" by tommeke100 · · Score: 0

      Mod Parent Up :) I wanted to Mod +1 Insightful but apparently slipped and modded Redundant. So I'm posting for no good reason to undo all modding here :)

    2. Re:"6.41%" by rubycodez · · Score: 2

      6% of a standard deviation is essentially zero

    3. Re:"6.41%" by Feral+Nerd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      6.41% of a standard deviation, according to TFA. Not exactly the same thing.

      As usual, don't trust journalists. :(

      When I was doing my masters degree I attended lectures where professors allowed laptops in class. Some people used them for taking notes like I did but a sizeable number of students just sat there posting on Facebook, web-surfing or playing FarmVille or some other dumb ass flash game. I'll never understand why people do that, they pay an arm and a leg in school admission fees, spend the entire semester goofing off and are then surprised when they flunk out or pass the course by the skin of their teeth. I don't think banning laptops, tablets and phones will do much good, people will just find another way to goof off but I can relate to why teachers want to ban these devices. It's the students who goof off all semester who blame everybody but themselves and write the most scathingly critical reviews of a course and its teacher and that's bloody frustrating when you know perfectly well that their failure is nobody's fault but their own.

    4. Re:"6.41%" by TeknoHog · · Score: 2

      When I was doing my masters degree I attended lectures where professors allowed laptops in class. Some people used them for taking notes like I did but a sizeable number of students just sat there posting on Facebook, web-surfing or playing FarmVille or some other dumb ass flash game. I'll never understand why people do that, they pay an arm and a leg in school admission fees, spend the entire semester goofing off and are then surprised when they flunk out or pass the course by the skin of their teeth. I don't think banning laptops, tablets and phones will do much good, people will just find another way to goof off but I can relate to why teachers want to ban these devices. It's the students who goof off all semester who blame everybody but themselves and write the most scathingly critical reviews of a course and its teacher and that's bloody frustrating when you know perfectly well that their failure is nobody's fault but their own.

      This. I'm also seeing people waste lecture time on dead-tree shit like sudoku and hanjie, as well as good old social chatting, so it's certainly not a question of banning this or that technology. The really dumb thing is that when exams come up, they need to spend more time catching up on the material they could have learned when it was first presented, while I can enjoy my free time posting on Slashdot.

      I understand that people learn in different ways, but perhaps those who don't dig lectures could be using that time for something fun/useful instead. It just seems like pure waste. I've had my share of too early mornings and days off sick, when I know it's better to stay at home and study on my own.

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    5. Re:"6.41%" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      6% of a standard deviation where the variance is equal to 1 (and therefore the sd=sqrt(variance)) is essentially 0. Not many observed variables have a sd=1.

    6. Re:"6.41%" by u38cg · · Score: 1

      The thing that you're missing is that employers only care what school you got into, not what you did once you got there. As long as you graduated, you learned enough, and the school's admissions procedure forms a handy part of the firm's recruitment process. The farmvillers are the rational ones, not you.

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    7. Re:"6.41%" by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Some people don't give a shit about life and so they don't give a shit about school. But some of those people fucking off in class already know the material and are just there because the class is mandatory, it costs just as much to challenge the course as it does to take it, and if you fail at challenging it then you have to pay twice. Also, many people don't even know there is a process for testing out of a class.

      When you make attendance mandatory, you get people fucking off in class.

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    8. Re:"6.41%" by tehcyder · · Score: 1
      Why would you be doing a master's degree in anything if you weren't either interested or professionally compelled to do so?

      In neither case do I see why you would waste lecture time by playing computer games.

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    9. Re:"6.41%" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Youre kind of making the assumption that the only good reason to even go to school is to get a job. (or worse: "a career". I quite like having a job, but _career_ people creep me out...)

    10. Re:"6.41%" by u38cg · · Score: 1

      And you're assuming in turn everyone shares your motivations. I have bad news.

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    11. Re:"6.41%" by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Some people don't give a shit about life and so they don't give a shit about school. But some of those people fucking off in class already know the material and are just there because the class is mandatory, it costs just as much to challenge the course as it does to take it, and if you fail at challenging it then you have to pay twice. Also, many people don't even know there is a process for testing out of a class.

      When you make attendance mandatory, you get people fucking off in class.

      Is mandatory attendance a common thing in post-secondary education?

      I know when I was at university, you were basically thrown at the sharks. Attend, don't attend, don't do homework, it was all up to you. (Likewise, if you had problems with your schedule, or billing etc, you were on your own).

      No one took attendance. It wasn't mandatory, no one checked. And while I attended most lectures, there were some that I couldn't due to other commitments.

      Of course, there were people who always screwed around, and if the prof cared, he simply chased them out - attendance wasn't mandatory, so if you weren't paying attention, why were you even in the room?

  5. How Harrison Bergeron by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

    Introducing noise making distractions to reduce intellectual inequality.

  6. so...one smartphone = 5 school days? by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    another interesting measurement equivalent brought to you by your friends at SlashDot

    1. Re:so...one smartphone = 5 school days? by BonThomme · · Score: 1

      but how many Rhode Islands is it?

    2. Re:so...one smartphone = 5 school days? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The really humorous irony is the the previous slashdot story is about bringing 'deep learning' to cell phones - or something like that. On one side cell phones interfere with learning, i.e. we are more ignorant, on the other hand our cell phones are getting smarter. I like tech advances, though not as much as scientific ones, but not when they interfere a person's growth - not so much .

  7. Now if we could only do it for drivers... by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 2

    We might see a great deal of improvement, particularly for the underachieving ones.

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    1. Re:Now if we could only do it for drivers... by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      What is an "underachieving" driver? Someone who doesn't know how to park in parallel? Someone who only drives a few miles per year?

    2. Re:Now if we could only do it for drivers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Raise the bar, don't dumb down the task.

      Everyone should have to retake the drivers test while talking on a cell phone.

    3. Re:Now if we could only do it for drivers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone who has less than satisfactory amounts of attention spent on driving. Personally I prefer harsher penalties. Distracted driving is rightfully a crime. Repeat offenders should be losing their driver license not paying fines. The distracted driving laws should be enforced. Police dash cams should help them do that.

      If you're changing clothes or putting on makeup while driving you should lose your license. You could take a moment in the parking lot to do it then, but no, you've got to endanger everyone around you because you spent too much time watching TV or reading the paper/social media instead of going to bed slightly earlier and waking up early enough to get ready however you do that.

    4. Re:Now if we could only do it for drivers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are there countries that allow using a mobile phone while driving?

  8. Re:Obamaphone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio

  9. In class is a problem- not so much at school by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The logic is stupid. In the late 1990s and early 2000s I went to a high school that banned electronic devices essentially. Mainly they said they banned phones, but technically any kind of electronic device was banned. It was the stupidest policy ever when near EVERY kid (it was a well to do area) had one in school. Nobody took them out in class and eventually they changed the rules such that they were allowed in school, but the devices had to be turned off. The later policy made a lot more sense. There are perfectly valid reasons to carry a phone and not all young people are irresponsible. I had all sorts of electronics in school (Palm PDA, Jornada 840 handheld, and cell phone) and primarily benefited from it academically. The phone was rarely used and while I did actually keep it on I didn't text people or receive texts (wasn't a fan of texting). Nobody called me during school hours and the phone was in vibrate anyway. It was more or less handy for getting rides if I stayed after school. Was there a payphone? Yes. But if nobody answers your stuck walking. Should I have had to walk just because I decided to stay after TO LEARN? That's non-sense. That would only give me a disincentive to stay after and study-or seek academic help.

    You should never ban something because of a few bad apples. It's bad policy it's bad law.

    1. Re:In class is a problem- not so much at school by TWX · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Mainly they said they banned phones, but technically any kind of electronic device was banned. It was the stupidest policy ever when near EVERY kid (it was a well to do area) had one in school. Nobody took them out in class...

      Sounds to me like the policy was incredibly successful. The purpose of the policy was not to actually take away everyone's devices. The purpose of the policy was to prevent devices from becoming a distraction, and to give administrators and teachers recourse if a device posed a distraction. This works even if the device is somewhat concealed, like a music player connected to headphones going through the students clothing up to skin-colored wires to earbuds hidden behind hair- with this stated policy if the student was using the device in lieu of paying attention in class then the school could confiscate the device to remove that distraction from the student.

      I went to high school just before the cell phone migrated its way into teenagers' hands. I still got to see my friends; we simply had to make plans when and were to meet up. I would even argue that my friends were better friends, because we actually did stuff together and had common interests, not an electronic means of connection requiring little to no effort to maintain that one could just play lip-service to. The cell phone is a convenient tool, but all-waking-day connectivity doesn't mean that things are actually better simply through having it.

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    2. Re:In class is a problem- not so much at school by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      You are rejecting the results of an empirical study because you don't like the conclusion. What "logic".

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    3. Re:In class is a problem- not so much at school by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, GP is disputing the conclusions drawn from the data: an essential element of scientific discource.

    4. Re:In class is a problem- not so much at school by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pff - I listened to music in class. I just told the (push-over, crap) teacher that it was my hearing aid. Yeah, he told the other kids to stop teasing me when they (rightly) tried to expose my lies. That said, I'd never have dared to do it with any of the other teachers - they'd have seen through me right away.

      When I was at school, things like little Donkey Kong games were pretty big. Some teachers would punish you just for hearing a 'beep' in class, but most would just confiscate games, yoyos, rubix cubes or whatever if you were playing with them in class. Seems pretty sensible to me - I can't imagine a teacher trying to teach a class full of kids "busy" updating their facebook page.

  10. Surprise? by Murdoch5 · · Score: 1

    So you stopped allowing student to distract themselves and there grades went up. Of course you have to wonder why students don't have the discipline to focus with electronics in the classroom, and no matter what I say, people will get mad so meh.

    1. Re:Surprise? by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      Electronics beep and buzz at you. I'd say that probably turning them off, and leaving them off is the best of all possible worlds in that regard.

    2. Re:Surprise? by Murdoch5 · · Score: 1

      Yep, but the parents and teachers should help the kids learn they don't need all the flushing, beeping an buzzing.

  11. Junk science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    because

  12. Re:Schools that ban game consoles see better resul by readin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When I was a kid we weren't allowed to bring basketballs to school. Nor were we allowed to bring walkie-talkies. We couldn't bring treadmills to use during class. A distraction is a distraction. How can anyone be surprised that banning them improves academic performance. The only thing surprising is that they weren't banned a decade ago.

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  13. Or maybe they just care more... by gweihir · · Score: 1

    Hence banning mobile phones may be not the cause of the better results. Correlation is not causation. Causation needs specific, strong supporting evidence.

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    1. Re:Or maybe they just care more... by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      Hence banning mobile phones may be not the cause of the better results. Correlation is not causation. Causation needs specific, strong supporting evidence.

      Who cared more? This was studied in schools that changed their policies, not a comparison between schools that had the ban and those that didn't. From TFP: "We compare the gains in test scores across and within schools before and after mobile phone bans are introduced. "

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    2. Re:Or maybe they just care more... by gweihir · · Score: 1

      There is a time-axis. They may have thought about academic problems and may well have changed other things as well.

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  14. Re:Schools that ban game consoles see better resul by itsenrique · · Score: 1

    New York mayor Bill de Blasio has lifted a 10-year ban on phones on school premises

    They were banned a decade ago. That's part of how they were able to do the study. It's in the summary. Have your phone on you?

  15. No doubt its a distraction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have no doubt that its a distraction and phones should be kept off. I get that kids today are far more into technology and that they consider phone a necessity.
    But I also think its a teaching lesson for further down the road. The work environment suffers in productivity due to people surfing the web and texting. Time and place for everything and its better to get that into kids heads early then have them develop bad habits.

    1. Re: No doubt its a distraction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The work environment suffers in productivity due to people surfing the web and texting. "

      And that's good. We are born to live, not to be slaves to enrich someone else.
      Did you notice that while technology vastly improved productivity we still work 8 hours per day just to have enough money to grow up our kids that we can't even enjoy because we spend most of the day at work instead than with our family and living our life?

      So if technology improved so much productivity and clearly the money are not flowing in our pockets, nor can we, say, work just 4 hours per day with a decent pay... where are those money going?

      To enrich who is already rich.

      We are giving away the most precious resource we have (our own life and time) in exchange of a bowl of rice while all the advantages go to some spoiled assholes that consider us less than slaves.

      Does technology -for once- give us some freedom? Then it is very welcome.

      Stop thinking like a fucking slave, think like a human being.

    2. Re: No doubt its a distraction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, if you look outside the USA, the schools that cane their students (for everything from not doing homework to being late for school) get very good results. If all you care about is performance on standardized tests then don't just ban the cell phones, bring back the cane. But I know some students in such school rather well - and to say that they aren't happy would be a massive understatement. It's not just random chance that the most economically successful Asian countries do so poorly on the World Happiness Reports.

  16. Umm by koan · · Score: 1

    *duh*, or is it derp?

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  17. Psh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Westwood HS in Austin - recently 1st in TX / 3rd highest ranking public school in the US allows use of phones during class. There's an argument to be made applying their data.

    1. Re: Psh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am curious as to the way that school used phones in class.

  18. A rather obvious conclusion ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope they didn't pay much for the data. *Any* teacher could have told told you as much. Cellphones in school endlessly distract students from their work, and thus harm learning and grades. I'll be very surprised if the permissive North American school system ever addresses the problem effectively. However, even the most phone-addicted kids will eventually learn about the perils of inappropriate cellphone use -- leaving a trail of ex-employers in the process.

  19. What a surprise! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What a surprise that children, not texting under their desks can actually pay attention to the class instruction. Who would have guessed that?

  20. Re:Schools that ban game consoles see better resul by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

    When I was a kid we weren't allowed to bring basketballs to school.

    When I was a kid, we didn't even know what basketballs were. We used to have to throw severed heads through hoops, and let me tell you, it's tough to dribble a severed head. And instead of the "pick and roll" we had the "disembowel and roll". That's why nobody wanted to play defense.

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  21. Wait... by dohzer · · Score: 1

    Wait... there are actually schools out there that don't ban mobile phones?!?
    While they're at it, why not allow them to bring an Xbox into the classroom?

  22. Re:Schools that ban game consoles see better resul by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is not only in school, also on work technology often means less productivity. I'm constantly interrupted by mails that some senders insist on being answered right away and lately by phones messages (since the boss thought that everyone needs a smart phone for rapid communication, the thing keeps on buzzing every 10 minutes. Often with nonsense, questions that shouldn't have been asked because they remember the answer after pressing send etc...

  23. cell phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm just glad that cell phones are still allowed. What would happen if a student needed to call 911 for an ambulance, fire engine or police? What if there was, god forbid, a school shooting? How would students call the authorities from the classroom if cell phones are banned?

    1. Re:cell phones by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Heard of teachers? They are supposed to be in charge, and are the ones who should be calling ambulances, fire departments and police if needed. The kids should be focused on learning, not facebook.

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  24. Re:Schools that ban game consoles see better resul by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    Lucky bastard! You had hoops! We had to compound fracture our own arms in 4 places so we could simulate a hoop, and use our own faces as backboards. And that's the way we liked it!

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  25. No surprise there... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A smartphone is a distraction. It has no place in schools.

  26. Re: Obamaphone by ganjadude · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    actually it has NOTHING to do with race... it has to do with a video of a woman screaming about her obamaphone. If you havent seen it maybe you should so you can stop with the faux outrage over non existing racism

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  27. One more way to showcase inequality by ocsibrm · · Score: 2

    Too often kids are focused on their shoes, or fashion, or yes, their phone. Anything really that makes them seem imperceptibly better than their peers. In my opinion, schools would do well to switch to uniforms and keep phones out of class rooms. The less inconsequential nonsense they have to care about, the better.

    1. Re:One more way to showcase inequality by fermion · · Score: 1
      Some uniform rules are good, but many are used to simply exclude a student from an education. In a comprehensive education system, it is a complex dance between the school, the student, and the parents. Compromises are made to maximize education and meet the expectation of the parent. If the parent think it is important for their student to have pretty shoes, that is very difficult to overcome.

      Likewise, phone use is complex. I am much more concerned with the student who never turns off the phone at home than a student who uses the phone at school. Phones should be turned off between something like 10PM and 7AM so students can sleep. We have seen suicide cases in which the student simply would not turn off the phone. Parents have to model and enforce this.

      As far as phones at schools, they need to teach proper phone use. We cannot turn time back. Students are going to have access to phones and computers at college and at work. if they do not have successful strategies to manage their time and use these tools wisely, they will be less likely to succeed. The loss of five days of class time is miniscule compared to the loss of a scholarship or tuition for a semester.

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    2. Re:One more way to showcase inequality by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      If the parent think it is important for their student to have pretty shoes, that is very difficult to overcome.

      No, it's not. After the sentence in the compulsory school uniform section saying that you have to wear the approved trousers, shirt, etc, you just add the words "and only plain black lace up shoes may be worn" or something.

      Kids won't know or care about whether their boring school shoes cost GBP10 or GBP500.

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  28. Kids need to have phones in school by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kids need to have phones in school, but not in the classroom.

    Most of the time kids spend in school are not used to further education. That's probably a good thing. Kids need to me to relax, time to socialize, and time to let what they just learned settle in. They need less time sitting in rows.

    My kids home schooled, and they finished "school work" in a few hours a week. Then they spent time on projects, community volunteering, and working with their parents. When they went to public high school, they were way ahead of grade in academic subjects, and even further ahead in social skills.

    You could get a 6% improvement by getting a marginally better teacher, or slightly motivating the same teacher. This study really means nothing. The average school is more a warehouse than an institution of learning.

    Disclaimer: I have extensive teaching experience from middle school to university undergrad.

    1. Re:Kids need to have phones in school by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      Kids need to have phones in school,

      I agree. Like at the front desk or something.

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  29. The real story by sunking2 · · Score: 1

    Schools with administrators smart enough to ban smart phones tend to be in better school districts.

  30. are the lectures good or just reading the text boo by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    are the lectures good or just reading the text book? if they are just reading then people will goof off is forced lectures.

  31. Re:are the lectures good or just reading the text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is probably part of the problem. I had one lecturer that taught directly from the book. He was so boring I had to start playing games in class to stay awake. It didn't help that the class was 1-3pm or some such.

  32. Low income students can afford mobile phones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    no text.

    1. Re:Low income students can afford mobile phones? by tompaulco · · Score: 2

      no text.

      Yes. I live in a low income school district and volunteer at the school and almost all of the students have mobile phones. In fact, as far as I can see, there appears to be an inverse relationship between income and cell phone proliferation. It might be that the latter contributes to the perpetuation of the former.

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    2. Re:Low income students can afford mobile phones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is how it's always been. For us growing up the poor kids always had cable, and the latest nike shoes. None of the middle class kids ever had any of that stuff.

    3. Re:Low income students can afford mobile phones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. Mobile phones have been more or less free for more than ten years now. Everyone can afford a mobile phone.

    4. Re:Low income students can afford mobile phones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, the government will give you a cellphone and limited service for free under the lifeline program if you already receive other government benefits. Very little auditing is done so if you go back for 4 or 5 phones for your whole family nobody will really say anything.

    5. Re:Low income students can afford mobile phones? by butchersong · · Score: 1

      That wouldn't be too surprising. Probably the same relationship to car accessories like rims and fancy sound systems.

  33. If people are weird and if kids are even weirder.. by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 1

    ... then people are actually suffering from 'degradation effect' after they've grown up

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  34. Re:Schools that ban game consoles see better resul by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    We didn't bother with hoops because we never got in shooting range, on account of how steep the court was. Both ways.

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  35. ..and another study will disprove it. by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    N/T

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  36. Re:are the lectures good or just reading the text by ruir · · Score: 1

    This. I could not really attend classes where the professor only read the book. Boring as hell.

  37. Re: Obamaphone by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 0

    You mean the Bush phone? After all the first cellphones were issued in 2008, when Bush was president.

  38. Re:are the lectures good or just reading the text by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

    Ah, forced lectures, good point. The only time I've had those was during teacher training, and they would circulate a list you'd sign. The natural solution was that as long as some of your friends were there, they could sign for you. That's a win-win if it makes the lecture better for those who actually care about it.

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  39. Re:Schools that ban game consoles see better resul by Jumunquo · · Score: 1

    Both ways? You had a full court!? And you couldn't be bothered to set up hoops to shoot from half-court? Dang, you're the most entitled of them all. You're all lucky to have a court - we had to play on the street shooting through the broken window of whatever car was being robbed at the time. When it came to picking teams, you picked the players that were best at dodging cars and bullets.

  40. And if something goes wrong in the school by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All the kids with phones that could dial 911 won't have them. I think I would be filing a law suit against these schools for violating my rights.

  41. Back in the day, a phone would lead to... by Zeorge · · Score: 1

    I was in HS from 1990-1994, and, having a pager or cell phone would yield these consequences:

    1) Confiscation of device and collected into a school "evidence" bag
    2) Detainment while the police arrives
    3) K9 sweep of your locker and any "associates"
    4) In school suspension for at least a week

    But, apparantly, times have changed and having a cell phone or pager is no big deal. The original reason for their draconian response was that they thought you were a drug dealer.

    They would also confiscate CD players, portable cassette players, and handheld radios if you were caught using them during class time; before/after school and lunch was allowed. The reason for that was it was deamed that those devices would be a distraction to the students and surrounding students in class.

  42. read at Maker Faire to an educator by k6mfw · · Score: 1

    During a lull at Maker Faire this weekend, and surfing slashdot on my phone, I see this article and point it out to an educator that had a booth near ours. He found it amusing I showed this on my mobile device, and he said article is true. His children may have a phone but he ignores calls from them when they get stumped on a exam question.

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