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Australian Law Could Criminalize the Teaching of Encryption

New submitter petherfile writes: According to Daniel Mathews, new laws passed in Australia (but not yet in effect) could criminalize the teaching of encryption. He explains how a ridiculously broad law could effectively make any encryption stronger than 512 bits criminal if your client is not Australian. He says, "In short, the DSGL casts an extremely wide net, potentially catching open source privacy software, information security research and education, and the entire computer security industry in its snare. Most ridiculous, though, are some badly flawed technicalities. As I have argued before, the specifications are so imprecise that they potentially include a little algorithm you learned at primary school called division. If so, then division has become a potential weapon, and your calculator (or smartphone, computer, or any electronic device) is a potential delivery system for it."

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  1. The argument goes like this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Your government is the good guys. So, if you want to hide something from us, you must be with the bad guys. M'kay?

  2. Don't teach math in Australia by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To be on the safe side, you should never teach math in Australia, especially not combinatorics!

  3. It's an accidentally-on-purpose. by Mal-2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Governments worldwide that are marching to fascism want encryption banned. God forbid (and you bet they'll invoke God in what they're doing) you should be able to talk to someone in a manner they can't easily listen in on! This is not an unintended effect of sloppy legalese, it's a fully intentional consequence of obfuscated legalese.

    Will they nail you for communicating with your bank? No. Will they nail you for communicating with someone they consider "undesirable"? You bet your arse they will.

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    1. Re:It's an accidentally-on-purpose. by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not just encryption. Governments adore overly-broad laws in general. This makes everyone guilty of something. Then governments can just prosecute anybody they don't like in a completely arbitrary fashion.

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    2. Re:It's an accidentally-on-purpose. by Mal-2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They don't need to break encryption to find out what you're doing with your bank, since the bank legally has no choice but to roll over and tell them.

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    3. Re:It's an accidentally-on-purpose. by alex67500 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I don't know. Consider the Swiss banks.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B...

      It's common knowledge there is money on their accounts from several criminal practices, including avoiding taxes.
      The Banking Law of 1934 made it a criminal act for a Swiss bank to reveal the name of an account holder.

      That law has taken a lot of hits recently. Basically, Uncle Sam has threatened Swiss banks to revoke their license in the US (which would mean that they are not allowed to make any transactions in USD) if they don't cooperate with the IRS. It's blackmail, but it's also for a cause that most of the little people would see as good (tackling tax evasion). Now EU countries are negotiating the same kind of deals.

      Dear money launderers and tax evaders, please cross the border to Liechtenstein, or take your money to SE Asia or the Carribeans. Your Swiss representative has already set up your bank account there for you.

    4. Re:It's an accidentally-on-purpose. by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 4, Informative

      from several criminal practices, including avoiding taxes

      "Avoiding" taxes is NOT a crime. "Evading" taxes IS a crime.

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  4. 512 Words by randalware · · Score: 5, Funny

    How about outlawing the teaching of any religion with a major text longer than 512 words ?

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  5. DSGL criminalises research in Australia by BringMyShuttle · · Score: 5, Informative

    The DSGL gives Department of Defence bureaucrats incredible power over scientists and researchers. It's a blatant grab for power by a department riddled with corruption:

    http://cla.asn.au/News/defence...
    http://defencereport.com/austr...
    http://bayesian-intelligence.c...
    http://web.archive.org/web/201...

  6. Beware Al-Khwarizmi... by TeknoHog · · Score: 5, Funny

    ..and his weapons of math instruction.

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  7. Won't Someone Please Think of the Boolean Logic?! by mentil · · Score: 5, Funny

    If having XOR is criminal, then only criminals will have XOR.

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  8. AND? by Viol8 · · Score: 5, Funny

    AND?

  9. #define BITLEN 48 by TapeCutter · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Old fart Aussie software dev here, as recently as the early 90's Australia (and the US/UK) considered encryption techniques to be a "munition" for export purposes, it was illegal to export anything stronger than 48bit. Then some bloke put out some OSS called PGP (Pretty Good Privacy), he had stayed within the regulations by using something like #define BITLEN 48, but also given the world an algorithm that could be trivially changed to any arbitrary length and re-compiled. This created a legal paradox that drove the customs people nuts, there was a huge fuss about it at the time but eventually the various governments realised the regulations were unenforceable and dropped/ignored them.

    Aussies made a huge mistake at the last election. This mob have managed to politically unite Aussies (against them) in a way I haven't witnessed since the downfall of Gough Whitlam (IMO - due to GW's "sore loser" re-election campaign). Trust us, we have mandatory voting and will boot this embarrassing mob out the first chance we get. There isn't a sector of Aussie society they haven't upset in the past year alone, the only chance the conservatives have of winning is if they put Turnbull back in charge and allow him to purge the "tea party" types from the current cabinet, they have way to much power for the tiny slice of Aussie society that they represent.

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  10. Encryption is but a tiny aspect of it by mi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Governments worldwide that are marching to fascism want encryption banned.

    Encryption is but a tiny side-show in the global march towards Collectivism — the coin, of which Fascism and Socialism are indistinguishable sides. As predicted long ago:

    The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield, and government to gain ground.

    — Thomas Jefferson to Edward Carrington, Paris, May 27, 1788

    It starts with concern for the poor, that inevitably causes the government to undertake support of the downtrodden with various "War on Poverty" initiatives.

    A few decades and trillion-dollars into it, there are not only millions of recipients of the dole, there are also tens of thousands of government officials involved in distributing it. The combination makes it impossible to stop the foolish undertaking — it may be reformed and rearranged, but it can not be ended.

    And then comes the idea, that, if we must support the unsuccessful among us, we should try to prevent them from doing (what we consider to be) stupid things: take drugs, drive too fast, eat fat (no, not fat, sugar!). Right here on Slashdot, the idea that our self-imposed responsibility for others allows us to control their actions, is alive and well.

    And then government types begin to deliberately rearrange things to be able to attach their own strings to various incentives you can not refuse. The first example of this was, probably, the imposition of federal speed-limit by mandating, that States receiving federal Federal highway funds implement them.

    The most recent example here is the federal take-over of education loans, which allows the Administration to better control, what the colleges teach and what students do. Because it raises the tuition costs so much, fewer and fewer students will be able to forgo such federal aid and will be forced to accept it — with all of the strings attached to them and the colleges they attend.

    Compared to these aspects of the Collective increasingly controlling the Individual's life, use of encryption is of little to no consequence. Maybe, a new Republic in Antarctica, on the Moon or Mars will take the lessons of our errors to heart — the way our Founding Fathers studied those of the Romans...

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    1. Re:Encryption is but a tiny aspect of it by don.g · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Collectivism! Socialism! Reds under the beds! Yes, folks, those problems and more besides can be solved by radical individualism and its close friend, laissez-faire capitalism!

      Sure, some people will be free to starve, others will be free to die of preventable illnesses, but at least your freedom to amass wealth and keep it all to yourself will be safe.

      *sigh*

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