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Stormtrooper Arrested

Kexel writes: Nope, not an April Fools joke. A forty-year-old man in Massachusetts bought a Stormtrooper outfit, and then walked through a neighborhood near a school to show his friends. The principal saw his fake blaster and called 911. The man was then arrested and charged with disturbing a school and loitering. A police spokesman said the man "used bad judgment." I guess this shows you what not to do when geeking out on Star Wars.

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  1. Lynn, Lynn, the city of sin... by jpellino · · Score: 5, Funny

    Stormtroopers don't come out the way they went in.

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  2. Fear of guns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe schools should require some kind of basic course to familiarize kids with real guns, so they don't grow up into these principals who can't tell the difference.

    1. Re:Fear of guns by clonehappy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      would you be able to distinguish it from a real gun from 100 feet away?

      No, and does it even fucking matter? Guns aren't illegal.

      This guy's a moron, and maybe it's OK that they ran him in just to make sure he wasn't up to no good, but fuck pressing charges. And the principal? A pussy who has no business being in charge of anyone, let alone our children. And we wonder why kids are growing up so soft...look at these "role models" they see in schools! Nanny-state limp-wrists who soil themselves at the sight of a plastic gun.

    2. Re:Fear of guns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      open carry is allowed everywhere. gun laws are unconstitutional and should not be obeyed.

      That's very nice. Don't hit your head as you get in the back of the car, sir.

    3. Re:Fear of guns by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If the blaster was black plastic, would you be able to distinguish it from a real gun from 100 feet away?

      I was raised around guns, and also enjoyed the original Star Wars movies when they were popular. So I'm going to say, I could distinguish between a toy and a real gun from farther away than that, even with failing eyesight. Here's a stormtrooper gun vs. a 9 mm. Which is probably going to be fairly common. How blind would you have to be to not be able to see the difference? Even if you are not very familiar with guns, you'd have to be pretty obtuse to mistake these two. If you can't tell the difference between them, then you probably wouldn't be able to distinguish a gun from a stick.

      Probably the most similar weapon you'd see in the US would be a TEC-9 But even that would be pretty hard to confuse with a toy blaster. Quite honestly, someone would probably have a better chance of hitting you by throwing the toy at you than hitting you with a TEC-9, unless you are less then a few inches from the barrel, and it doesn't jam.

      Apparently the Stormtrooper blaster is based off of the Sterling L2A3 But the toy has a lot of extra crap attached to it, so you'd have to be pretty far to mistake the two. Plus, I can't say I've ever seen a Sterling L2A3 in the US. I doubt many people in the US, other than serious gun collectors, have ever seen one.

    4. Re:Fear of guns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The police don't care. They get to arrest someone so they're happy. Anybody else find it ironic that a guy got dressed up in a storm trooper costume(soldier of a facist, police state) and then got arrested by soldiers of what many would argue has become a fascist police state?

      hahahaha.....

    5. Re:Fear of guns by larryjoe · · Score: 5, Informative

      It may not be the principal's fault. Many schools have "zero tolerance" policies, which is basically PC-speak for common sense and reasoning is prohibited. In my daughter's school, using your fingers to form a pretend gun will get you in trouble.

    6. Re:Fear of guns by OhPlz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I must have missed the part where he had an actual firearm. No firearm, no grounds for arrest.

    7. Re:Fear of guns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      open carry is allowed everywhere. gun laws are unconstitutional and should not be obeyed.

      Next time I see some dipshit open-carrying his rifle into Chipotle, I'm going to sneak up on him in the parking lot and tackle him. At best, I'll be a hero. At worst, I'll be wrong. But the guy carrying might learn a valuable lesson: even if open carry is illegal, it's still not socially acceptable. And I'll have plausible deniability either way.

      At worst, you'd get shot.

      On second thought, make that at best.

    8. Re:Fear of guns by spire3661 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You do realize that if he can justifiably shoot you for attacking him, right? Assault is more socially unacceptable than open carry.

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    9. Re:Fear of guns by Noah+Haders · · Score: 5, Insightful

      its legal to open carry a TOY, even in Mass. Ffs the dude was dressed like a storm trooper.

    10. Re:Fear of guns by IgnitusBoyone · · Score: 4, Insightful

      At worst you will get shot and he will have a very good case for "Afraid for his life". You might be better off if you tacle him while yelling "Shooter in the Parking lot lets detain him". Then all those individuals who conceal carry have an excuse to be "Afraid for their lives". Its all about making the legalize work for you!

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    11. Re:Fear of guns by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Contrasting it against a white stormtrooper outfit, yes, even if I was some dumbass who didn't know what a stormtrooper was.

      The principal may have been a dumbass, but the real problem here is the cops. The principal was somewhat justified in reporting him, since she didn't know if the gun was real or not. But the cops knew it was a toy, and arrested him anyway. As soon as they realized it was not a real gun, and didn't even look like a real gun, they should have said "This is not the stormtrooper we are looking for. You can go about your business."

    12. Re:Fear of guns by CameronNeil · · Score: 4, Informative

      He wasn't arrested for carrying a toy gun. He was arrested and charged with disturbing a school and loitering. So my guess is he was walking around the school trying to show off... but show off to who? It's an elementary school...

  3. Goddamnit by Guy+From+V · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is why TK-421 isn't at his damn post.

  4. A police spokesman said the man "used bad judgment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    O_o
    And the police used what? Not to mention the principal! About the only sane person in the middle of all this seems to be the poor guy that got arrested!

  5. Real Headline by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Idiot Principal Wets Himself, Calls Cops on Guy in Stormtrooper Outfit with a Fake Gun

    Hoplophobia is just a natural extension of zero tolerance (a.k.a. zero common sense) that has infested the school system.

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  6. Charges by Coren22 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Those charges make no sense. Perhaps there is missing information here, but how exactly is walking by a school loitering, and it sounds like the principle did more to disturb the school than the storm trooper. After all, we all know that walking by a school with a plastic laser rifle is totally equivalent to shooting up a school.

    I guess this is what we get in a society where everything must be punished.

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  7. as a school administrator, i can explain. by nimbius · · Score: 4, Funny

    The stormtrooper was easily and clearly observed brandishing a blaster (obviously a danger to people.) This of course is totally different than the numerous calls from parents and students about the recent appearance of the moon during all hours of the afternoon. The moon visible near the school is clearly a celestial body, and poses no harm to the students. This morning we've even observed its brilliant glimmer from th$T22$@@%%^[CARRIER LOST]

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    1. Re:as a school administrator, i can explain. by TWX · · Score: 5, Funny

      The stormtrooper was easily and clearly observed brandishing a blaster (obviously a danger to people.)

      Apparently you haven't seen the movies. Stormtroopers with blasters are about the safest group that you can have shooting at you.

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  8. Free Candy by Major+Blud · · Score: 5, Funny

    Did he have "Free Candy" written on the side of his TIE Fighter?

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  9. Re:They did the right thing by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Funny

    I don't think Storm Trooper blasters can actually hit anything, judging by the movies.

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  10. No Recourse by Mycroft-X · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Those charges make no sense.

    Yet the individual arrested now has a record, misses work, possibly loses their job, and if prosecuted by the DA, has the expense of defending himself against the charges. All without recourse.

    1. Re:No Recourse by Iamthecheese · · Score: 5, Insightful

      America: If you can't afford lawyers, fuck you.

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  11. The 501st Rule by Daetrin · · Score: 4, Informative

    I wonder if it would have helped if he'd had a friend. The 501st has a rule "never troop alone", which they came up with after observing that under identical circumstances many people will think one stormtrooper is a little scary but two (or more) stormtroopers are awesome.

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  12. Re:They did the right thing by Junta · · Score: 4, Funny

    But what if the school uniform was red shirts? What then?

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  13. Re:Charges? by DRJlaw · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sounds like charges that they can bring anyone in on. And that's probably the point.

    They can bring anyone in on anything they want. The question is whether the prosecutor has enough to believe that they can bring a successful case.

    Disturbing a school:
    You need to prove that he intentionally sought to disturb the school. Maybe he did... maybe he didn't. It sounds weird that he was there, but then again "bad judgment" is not the same thing as having an intent to disturb the school.

    Loitering:
    You need to prove that someone in authority asked him to leave. In most of the US it's not loitering simply because you don't have a good reason to be there. The story doesn't say that he refused any instruction to go, so this is actually the more curious charge of the two to me.

  14. Re:They did the right thing by iggymanz · · Score: 4, Funny

    The red shirts would be immune to the missing stormtrooper fire but would nevertheless be killed by other incidents and accidents. I would send in Ewoks to handle the storm troopers, hopefully there are many useful trees in the neighborhood. Ewoks are a budget friendly resource, instead of pay one just tells them to "do it for the trees".

  15. Re:Could you tell a difference at distance? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Imagine you are on school grounds and you can see this guy on the street, distance of maybe 200 feet. Would you be able to be sure the black gun shaped thing was a toy from that distance? "

    Of course not. My natural assumption would be that Star Wars was not just a movie, and there was an actual frigging Stormtrooper in my sights! I totally understand the Principal taking this seriously. What baffles me is why the Principal thought the police would be able to do anything about it. Why the hell didn't they call Luke Skywalker?

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  16. Re:Could you tell a difference at distance? by penguinoid · · Score: 5, Funny

    Besides, a Stormtrooper would be more likely to shoot himself than to hit anyone at even 10 paces.

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  17. Re: Gun Rights by halivar · · Score: 5, Informative

    Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990 prohibits firearms within 1,000 feet of public, private, or parochial school grounds.

  18. Re: Gun Rights by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm pro gun. I'm anti idiocy.

    I'd just wish everyone who wants one has to spend a week with my old drill sergeant. He had some rather ... graphic ways of showing you just WHY guns are no toys and why these things deserve your respect. He taught us certain rules and procedures that, if used properly, make sure you CANNOT harm anyone you do not want to harm. And I think he's got to do something right, in his whole career not a single soldier he trained got wounded by a bullet while under his command.

    He retired last Fall with 70.

    I think fewer people would get hurt by guns if they had to go through such a training. And FAR fewer idiots like that principal would litter the streets and our courts with idiotic panic reactions like that.

    Panic reactions is one of the things that kill people, btw. With or without guns.

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  19. Re:Maybe we SHOULD fear guns by operagost · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They'll be right down the hall from where quaint notions like the rights to life, liberty, and property are exhibited.

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  20. Re:Maybe we SHOULD fear guns by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why? Why the fuck should kids be familiar with real guns? I think you grew up in the wrong neighborhood.

    Hmm, a bit of a hoplophobe, I see...

    Why should you be familiar with guns? Well, how about because you're much less likely to do something stupid with one (like treat it as a toy) if you know something about them?

    Also, you're much less likely to wet yourself at sight of one if you know something about them.

    Keep in mind that we have no problems giving 15-year-olds access to automobiles (in some States. 16 in others), which are MUCH more dangerous than guns. Note that there are probably more guns in the US than cars, yet more people killed by cars than by guns.

    Plus there's the old "we fear what we do not understand" thing. Knowing something about guns will be more likely to lead to less panic over the things....

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  21. Re:Could you tell a difference at distance? by bev_tech_rob · · Score: 5, Informative

    Would you be able to be sure the black gun shaped thing was a toy from that distance?

    Guns. Aren't. Fucking. Illegal.

    So tired of light-loafered nanny-statists piddling themselves at the mere sight of a firearm. Go live in North Korea.

    Apparently THEY ARE ILLEGAL at a Massachusetts school!! Source >> https://malegislature.gov/laws...

    (j) Whoever, not being a law enforcement officer, and notwithstanding any license obtained by him under the provisions of chapter one hundred and forty, carries on his person a firearm as hereinafter defined, loaded or unloaded or other dangerous weapon in any building or on the grounds of any elementary or secondary school, college or university without the written authorization of the board or officer in charge of such elementary or secondary school, college or university shall be punished by a fine of not more than one thousand dollars or by imprisonment for not more than one year, or both. For the purpose of this paragraph, “firearm” shall mean any pistol, revolver, rifle or smoothbore arm from which a shot, bullet or pellet can be discharged by whatever means.

    Any officer in charge of an elementary or secondary school, college or university or any faculty member or administrative officer of an elementary or secondary school, college or university failing to report violations of this paragraph shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and punished by a fine of not more than five hundred dollars.

    So, if you DON'T report it you can be fined and prosecuted at least for a misdemeanor according to the last paragraph. So the principal is screwed both ways and cannot use common sense like the rest of us would...

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  22. Re: Gun Rights by executioner · · Score: 5, Informative

    though in most states, that is being amended to allow legally licensed parent to carry within school zones as long as they are dropping off and picking up. the restriction adopted in 1990 has been changed multiple times in the 25 years since then.

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  23. Re:Could you tell a difference at distance? by war4peace · · Score: 4, Funny

    Not really. The E-11 was pretty damn good, and a DC-15A would have ripped through the entire school easily. Not to mention the police.
    The plastoid armor, however, was shit. Too many known weak spots, unwieldy, horrible color choice. The only nice thing about it was the helmet, or rather its technical capabilities. Still, it was a couple magnitudes below the Mandalorian helmets.
    But we digress.

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  24. Re:Could you tell a difference at distance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Jeez. When I was in college -- in Canada -- a teacher brought a rifle to class and fired it, multiple times.

    He was a physics prof, and he was demonstrating the use of a ballistic pendulum to determine e.g. bullet velocity. Nobody cared. Mind, this same college also had a pistol club, and a range on campus. And no, it wasn't a military college.

    Kind of ironic that the state where one of the signal events of the American Revolution (ie, Boston Tea Party) started is now populated by bigger pansies than the United Empire Loyalists who left. "Home of the brave." snort

  25. Re:Could you tell a difference at distance? by eth1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, if you DON'T report it you can be fined and prosecuted at least for a misdemeanor according to the last paragraph. So the principal is screwed both ways and cannot use common sense like the rest of us would...

    No he's not... There's a world of difference between:
    Operator: 911, do you have an emergency?
    Overreacting principal: OMG! There's a guy with a gun on campus!!!1!one! Help! I have the school on lockdown!

    and

    Operator: 911, do you have an emergency?
    Reasonable principal: There's some guy wearing a Star Wars costume here. He has what's probably a prop/toy gun, but I'm required by law to report firearms on campus. Can you send an officer to make contact and make sure it's just a toy?

  26. Re:Could you tell a difference at distance? by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Yes, spree killers being so well known for their rational behaviour and all. I'm sure no-one would adopt an affectation [wikipedia.org] to commit a massacre [wikipedia.org] when more practical clothing is available."

    I have no problem with someone calling the police. The police should have stopped him and asked to see the blaster. When it was shown to be nothing but a toy then they tell him, "cool costume but you might not want to wear it all the time. It can freak some people out. Have a nice day."
    End of story.

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  27. Re:Could you tell a difference at distance? by Time_Ngler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Or someone could have a real gun in a potato sack. If you saw someone carrying a potato sack, and assumed there wasn't a gun in there, a malicious person could carry a potato sack with a gun in it to catch people off guard, too!