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Everyone Hates Harvard

theodp writes: Hedge fund manager John Paulson personally took home nearly $4 billion in 2007 after convincing banks to create securities of sub-prime mortgages he could bet against. Now Harvard, which originally passed on an opportunity to join alum Paulson in his big bet, is also reaping the rewards of the nation's financial crisis as it renames its engineering school the "Harvard John A. Paulson School of Engineering and Applied Sciences" after receiving a staggering $400 million donation from Paulson, the largest gift in the university's history. Quartz argues that Paulson's $400 million Harvard donation just reinforces inequality. Author Malcolm Gladwell took to Twitter to voice his distaste (sampling: 1. "It came down to helping the poor or giving the world's richest university $400 mil it doesn't need. Wise choice John!" 2. "If billionaires don't step up, Harvard will soon be down to its last $30 billion." 3. "It's going to be named the John Paulson School of Financial Engineering.") And, in Everyone Hates Harvard, Philip Greenspun notes that even WSJ readers reacted with vitriol to the news. "I would have thought that Paulson would be a hero to market-following WSJ readers," remarks Greenspun, "not a villain."

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  1. Why? by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why isn't this guy in jail yet?

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    1. Re:Why? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Informative

      He wanted to bet against the housing market, the banks took his bet, and he won. Many others who did the same thing mis-timed their move and lost. So why should he be in jail?

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    2. Re:Why? by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 2

      Despite what the summary says, he didn't create the problem. He recognized it and took a position. He may not be a good guy, but it wasn't stealing.

    3. Re:Why? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So winning at poker or doing well at the stock exchange is stealing now? He didn't con an old lady out of her savings; he made a bet with banks and other investors who should have known better. No underhanded tricks, nothing up his sleeves, he just thought he saw were the market was going and acted accordingly. Jail the bankers for making such a mess with their subprime mortgages. Better yet: if you think this sort of thing is undesirable, propose laws against it before your start running your mouth about jailing people.

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    4. Re:Why? by Jiro · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As others have pointed out, betting against the housing market is a good thing. It was betting for, not against, the housing market that caused the problem. By betting against it, he incrementally raised the cost to the banks of making bad decisions. This is beneficial to society.

    5. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, it says right in the summary that the banks' decision to bundle sub-prime mortgages into complex derivatives that, on paper, had low probabilities of failing but that, in total, created systemic risk that far outweighed the risk associated with any single mortgage bundle. He knew that presenting it in a certain way would enable him to sell the idea.

      He's nothing more than a common crook, peddling dream scams to the public. Just because his marks were supposedly informed investors does not change the fact that he exploited their existing evaluation frameworks in a manner he knew, or ought to have known, would create huge harm to the broader market.

    6. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      He hasn't bought a law yet that he broke.

      Actually, he did. http://www.deepcapture.com/?s=...

    7. Re:Why? by Crashmarik · · Score: 2

      He has money. We don't lock up our royalty!

      He has money he must be guilty of something / sarcasm

    8. Re:Why? by Carewolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As others have pointed out, betting against the housing market is a good thing. It was betting for, not against, the housing market that caused the problem. By betting against it, he incrementally raised the cost to the banks of making bad decisions. This is beneficial to society.

      The question is what is implied with that "he convinced the banks to create the securities that could bet against". That might be fraud or at least morally questionable.

    9. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There is no benefit to the society. Not only did the banks make bad decisions, it even gave banks the opportunity to create money out of nothing, by accepting the bet that the housing market would not collapse.

      This system accelerated the housing bubble because banks kept on seeing double digit percentages by winning bets until they lost one bet and saw their system collapse. We wouldn't have heard of John Paulson if he would have made the bet a few weeks/months earlier because he would have lost his stake. The only thing this did for society is to let people buy a house they couldn't afford and to let banks secure loans they could not backup. If you think the society of today is a better place after so many banks went bankrupt, you have forgotten that many banks have been rescued with tax payer money. Money they got mostly by cutting down public services and raising taxes. For me personally it meant and 3% increase in value added tax. 1,5 year of unemployment and a new job where I earn 25% less than in my previous job and where I lost 14 years of savings in my retirement plan, which I have to compensate by trying to save more per month with a lower income. The only luck for me is that I was able to keep my house thanks to my parents and that I have paid off my house. The bad thing is that I now live in an impoverished neighbourhood with a lot of unemployment, a lot of drugs and alcohol abuse and a lot of criminality and a lack of police force because they had to cut spending.

      By the way I do not think John Paulson is the cause of the housing bubble, he is just someone who was lucky to bet on the right time. It is the system that is bad. The financial system should no longer be about eternal growth where investors can only make money by betting on the fluctuations of the stock market.
       
      In the current system many companies aim for eternal growth and instead of rewarding investors for their trust with dividends they reinvest all earnings into growth (buying up potential competitors and thus destroying the free market) and making sure they don't have income by creating depths and moving earnings to some tax friendly country. In a normal financial market, these companies would be punished for not rewarding the trust of the investors. In the current casino financial market, the investors gamble on whether an effect will become worth more or less. And in this system the house (= the elite bankers who run the stock markets) is always the winner because for every winner there is a loser, but on every transaction (billions of transactions per second!!!!) 'the house' gets a percentage or fixed price.

    10. Re:Why? by MrNaz · · Score: 2

      Yes, the operative words being "your money".

      As distinctly opposed to losing banks' customers' money and then a giant pile of taxpayers' money.

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    11. Re:Why? by radarskiy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The "fraud nor morally questionable" part comes from the fact that they were actively advising people to invest one way so that they could invest the other.

    12. Re:Why? by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 2

      So it's fine to be part of the problem as long as you don't break a law?

      Whether or not it's "fine," we absolutely should not jail people who don't break the law. Doing so is going down a very, very dangerous road.

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    13. Re:Why? by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Since it has become pretty much impossible to get rich by working, you might be onto something...

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    14. Re:Why? by Thomas+Miconi · · Score: 3

      He did not do any of that. The summary is inflammatory flamebait. If you click on the link, you get a WSJ article that actually contradicts the summary (welcome to New Slashdot).

      The WSJ story is very clear about what Paulson did: he noticed that subprime lending was out of control, and that the standard "insurance" against bad bets (CDS) was absurdly under-priced. Note: this basically means that the Big Banks (*not* Paulson) were throwing money left and right to the subprime lenders, blind to the risks.

      So he bought a lot of CDS, and when the bubble crashed, he profited massively. The End.

    15. Re:Why? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2

      Despite what the summary says, he didn't create the problem. He recognized it and took a position. He may not be a good guy, but it wasn't stealing.

      Too bad his "position" wasn't one of trying to help avoid/solve the problem rather than getting even more rich from exploiting it - a person with all his education, resources and such - but I guess the Wall Street mantra "I'm getting mine, fuck everyone else" was too strong for him. Maybe he didn't steal money (directly) but this kind of behavior is, let say, socioeconomic theft - unless he took those gains and did some actual good with it, did I miss something?

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    16. Re:Why? by cheesybagel · · Score: 2

      The stock exchange isn't supposed to be a casino. It's supposed to be a place where you can buy and sell equity in other companies. Not a place to bet on outcomes of companies which you don't actually own.

    17. Re:Why? by Crashmarik · · Score: 2

      Such ignorance, masquerading as jaded sophistication.

      Just because you're a loser doesn't mean everyone is.

    18. Re: Why? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 2

      The claim that the "one percenters" is a fixed group, passing wealth from generation to generation, is a fraud. As reported in the Jun 8, 2015 issue of Investor's Business Daily, between 60% and 72% of the Forbes 400 list change over a period of 32 years (not just individuals, families.) The same principle applies to the top 1% as applies to the top 400.

      Assuming a person is not manifestly mentally defective, anyone can achieve great wealth and power. People who are noxious, malignant, vicious, underhanded, and not particularly intelligent - like both of the Clintons, and both of the Obamas - can achieve wealth and power through dedication to scum-sucking politics. Good people can achieve wealth through continuous dedication to the goal of creating value and insisting on being paid for it. This fanatical dedication is seldom passed on to progeny: more energetic people replace them at the top.

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    19. Re: Why? by StikyPad · · Score: 2

      Assuming a person is not manifestly mentally defective, anyone can achieve great wealth and power. Good people can achieve wealth through continuous dedication to the goal of creating value and insisting on being paid for it.

      Well, they can have a chance at it, granted, but there are lots of dedicated people who aren't wealthy.

  2. Link summary wrong by amorsen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    convincing banks to create securities of sub-prime mortgages he could bet against

    The article does not say that he did that. Instead, the article says that the banks bought insurance against mortgage defaults (credit default swaps), and that prices of such insurance was very low. John Paulson decided the price was too low compared to the risk, so he bought a lot of the same insurance. When the mortgages started defaulting and prices for insurance went up, he sold the insurance on to the banks at a profit.

    If there had been a hundred John Paulsons out there, credit default swaps would have gone up in price much earlier, forcing the mortgage lenders to rein-in their subprime lending, thereby either defusing the crisis entirely or at least making it much less bad. Alas, there was only one, and he was good at not getting the word out, so not many copycats. John Paulson did everyone a service and should be rewarded, not punished. The people who lend out money to people who had no chance of paying back should be punished, not rewarded.

    Anyway, I have not read other articles about him, so maybe he does deserve his apparently terrible reputation.

    I am somewhat surprised that it has fallen to me to defend a 1%'er. This is not exactly my usual modus operandi.

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    1. Re:Link summary wrong by swb · · Score: 2

      Anyway, I have not read other articles about him, so maybe he does deserve his apparently terrible reputation.

      I am somewhat surprised that it has fallen to me to defend a 1%'er. This is not exactly my usual modus operandi.

      My usual gut instinct is to think that many Wall St. guys are just greedy assholes, rigging the system for more profit. But quite often once you think about the economics of what some of them have done, it's not always quite that simple. Many of them actually see the broken basic economics on an institutional level and actually end up exploiting nothing other than the institutional greed and myopia of Wall Street.

    2. Re:Link summary wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      The article does not say that he did that.

      Paulson did in fact do that. The Abacus deal was considered fairly controversial.

  3. Big endowment by Etherwalk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Big endowment schools are simply not the most effective place to donate. If you have a lot of money and it's really where you want to give--or more likely if you're trying to buy someone's way in--sure, nothing's stopping you from donating. But if your goal is improvement of almost anything, it's just dumb.

    Donate $1/year to keep up your alumni participation numbers, which influences the ratings of your school and the value of your degree. Aside from that, give someplace where the dollars are more effective.

    If you are going to give to a school, give to a school that does a lot of public interest work but has a low endowment-per-capita. (Georgetown Law comes to mind, for example--a law school with a strong public interest program and a small endowment per capita).

    If you are going to give to to another non-for-profit, look for direct aid dollars. Better yet, look at the Gates foundation or the like--the people who are spending billions and their life's fortune on this hire pretty good people to run it, aiming at maximizing long-term benefit. That is kind of awesome. Leverage their investment to direct your own. Picking a charity on your own is *hard*--too many are scams or mismanaged.

  4. Re: Harvard is the right place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Harvard is the place those mass-murdering politicians go. It doesn't turn them into it. They were on the road to it long before going there, and continued that path afterwards. It's just one of the steps in that career path.

    Harvard (and the ivies in general) are not the places where the best students go. They are the places where the most spoiled, stuck up, rich little bastards who don't mind cheating and manipulating others to get ahead go to master their craft.

  5. Harvard is a red herring. by hey! · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And if you take that bait, you're a sap.

    The problem is that the banking system has been rigged in order to socialize risk. This guy exploited that fact, realized he made more money than an individual human being could possibly amuse himself with and decided to dispose of a big chunk of that were it might do a little good.

    People are shouting "Harvard! Harvard! Harvard!" because they don't want you to think about the rigged banking system. They'd rather focus any anti-elitist backlash on intellectuals.

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    1. Re:Harvard is a red herring. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Many folks saw the meltdown coming. The Economist got into a famous argument with Freddie and Fannie when in the mid-00's, they published articles about how the their lending was unsustainable, fraught with risk, and headed towards economic disaster.

      I would have loved to have done what Paulson did but I just do not know that people who have the capital to invest. Paulson did. And how did he meet those people and get the hedge fund job? By going to Harvard. Hedge Funds and others actively recruit from that school and folks who go their get opportunities handed to them that no matter how hard I work, I would never get.

      Harvard is the entry ticket into the get rich quick World of hedge funds and Wall Street.

    2. Re:Harvard is a red herring. by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Thank you for saying what should be said. People don't JUST go to Harvard for an education and saying criticizing them is "intellectual bashing" is a backhanded compliment.

      The big reason to go to Harvard is because it's a fraternity of CEOs and you are connected. While a lot of people are convinced that's where the great minds come from -- well, the successful have heard that that's where the great minds come from because that's where they came from and obviously luck and the fact that their friends are billionaires had nothing to do with it, so they recruit from Harvard. And who can knock the positive attitude from people who just can't fail?

      It's a vicious circle of self-reinforcing success.

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  6. Re: Harvard is the right place by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 5, Funny

    You're thinking of the wrong school. Mass murderers have daddy buy their way into being a C student at Yale.

    Al Gore or John Kerry?

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  7. I don't hate Harvard. by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I hate the useless spongers it creates.

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  8. Don't give money to your alma mater. by goodmanj · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you went to a Harvard, a Stanford, an MIT or a Texas A&M, and you happen to end up with more money than you know what to do with, you might be inclined to give a big pile of it to the university that got you started. And while that's a noble sentiment, you shouldn't. These places will continue turning out talented graduates no matter how much money you give them: you should give your money to a less-well-endowed institution, so that a larger number of students can get the same educational opportunity you had. Maybe your spouse went to a small liberal arts college. Maybe there's a place right down the road from your mansion that could use your help. But MIT and Stanford don't need your money, and they won't do much good with it.

    A bit of data: Harvard's endowment amounts to $1.7 million per student. With a reasonable return on endowment investment, hey could quite literally abolish tuition forever if they wanted to. Just across the river is Boston University, a really excellent institution with a strong research focus and really great graduates, ranked #42 by US News. Its endowment per student is 1/25th of Harvard's.

    Donating money toward improving education is a worthy goal, but don't get sentimental. Put the money where it'll do the most good for the most people.

    (Full disclosure: I'm a professor at a liberal arts college whose endowment per student is mediocre at best.)

    1. Re:Don't give money to your alma mater. by InterGuru · · Score: 2

      Try your local community college to get the most educational bang for the buck.

    2. Re:Don't give money to your alma mater. by goodmanj · · Score: 2

      You'd think, but Texas A&M is in the top ten. Probably because a fair number of Texas oilmen are football fans.

    3. Re:Don't give money to your alma mater. by goodmanj · · Score: 2

      Wow, that was the most condescending post ever. Not only am I well aware of how an endowment is operated -- this is a regular topic of faculty meetings, for god's sake -- my earlier post did assume only investment income was spent. A 3.5% return on Harvard's 1.7 million per student endowment would give an annual income of $60,000, which is equal to Harvard's tuition plus room and board. Historical rates of return for the last couple centuries are significantly higher than 3.5%, which would likely allow Harvard to keep up with inflation in perpetuity.

      And by the way, I teach at a liberal arts college, but I teach physics. A liberal arts education is not the opposite of math and science: it's about creating well-rounded students who're strong in both humanities and the sciences. Since you've proven yourself incapable of either understanding a written argument or doing math, you clearly didn't get one.

      So crawl on back to your troll cave, you've got nothing to contribute to this discussion.

  9. So let me get this straight... by DrVxD · · Score: 5, Funny

    Somebody who isn't giving $400 million to the poor is criticising somebody else who isn't giving $400 million to the poor for not giving $400 million to the poor?

    Ok - got it.

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    1. Re:So let me get this straight... by JonnyCalcutta · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well, its like I tell my kids. You can do what you want, but you have the take the consequences. In this case one of the consequences is that people think he is a cunt.

  10. Re:Harvard is the right place by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The issue with Harvard and the other Ive League schools it the pretension they they as individual are better then everyone else.
    Granted getting into Harvard takes a lot of work, but there are a slew of smart people who could have gone but chose not to for a huge set of reasons.
    But what these schools do well isn't their education, but the people you get in contact with will keep you in the network of successful people.
    Now being around these people has its pluses and minuses. You pick up good skills however sometimes general comparison is loss from being in an environment of competing ambition.

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  11. Re:Won't be seen a hero by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 2

    What he did only profits the inner circles of the finance industry

    The reason you can't make the same bets Paulson can make is because "consumer protection laws" "protect" you from taking these kinds of risks. And make no mistake, Paulson's bets were very risky for him.

    Whether those consumer protection laws and regulations are a good thing or not depends on whether you're more concerned about gullible small investors gambling away their nestegg, or smart small investors being prevented from participating in potentially very lucrative investment opportunities. What is clear is that you can't have both strong protection and high returns for small investors.

  12. Re: Harvard is the right place by BinBoy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No one starts with a clean slate. Every president inherits problems. That's the job they begged and pleaded for. Blaming the previous president after 7 years is BS.

  13. Re: Harvard is the right place by NicBenjamin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Caused another country to collapse?

    Were you alive in September 2008? Because Bush made a pretty good start at forcing this one to collapse.

    Iraq and Syria wer both his poor decisions catching up to us. It isn't Obama's fault that Bush fucked up in '06 and decided Maliki would be a great prime Minister. The man started wars t5hat killed hundreds of thousands of people in the Meddle East without managing to kill the one guy we were going for (Osama) This is Carter or LBJ-league in terms of foreign policy. Domestically he's Buchanan-league. His programs massively increased Federal spending (mostly by buying prescription drugs and paying for those wars), cut revenue, and the MBA fucked up financial regulation so badly that it's not an exaggeration to say that our economy did not survive his last four months in office.

    Don't get me wrong. the man's a really nice guy, and apparently a wonderful father, and if a Pollster called me and asked me if I approved of him I'd almost certainly say yes. But objectively speaking his tenure was a disaster.

    OTOH, Obama's solved the wars. He managed to kill that one guy we've been trying to knock off since Clinton. The economy is growing, and the deficit is shrinking. His major domestic policy accomplishment is working more or less as planned, despite the Obama Derangement Syndrome's insistence that some new data point nobody gives a shit about means that it's about to collapse on itself every six months. 10 years from now his "evolving" on gay marriage will be remembered as the brave stand that forced dead-enders to give up their Evil Opposition to the Civil Rights Issue of the Era.

  14. Re: Harvard is the right place by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No one starts with a clean slate. Every president inherits problems. That's the job they begged and pleaded for. Blaming the previous president after 7 years is BS.

    Just crawl out from under a rock? We have present day politicians writing books blaming FDR for most everything. Or blaming Hoobert Heever for most everything. Only been a few years since eh?

    Its not that I am all that wild about the present occupant, but it is pretty hard to blame him for firmly entrenching us in the eternal warfare practice of the middle east. Once you are in that club, you can check out any timer you like, but you can never leave. Presidency or party affiliation is irrelevent. Dubya and the neocons were hell bent on getting boots on the ground then, just as they are now.

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  15. Partial Truth by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 2, Insightful

    He didn't con an old lady out of her savings; he made a bet with banks and other investors who should have known better.

    Not entirely correct. If he is the architect behind the subprime mortgages then he did not directly con an old lady out of her savings but his actions indirectly wiped half the value off those savings. He deliberately designed an extremely risky investment vehicle to look to the banks like a low risk, high return investment and they did not spot the trick. It might have been entirely legal but it bears all the hall marks of a con and in such a case, while the mark takes some blame for letting their greed overcome their common sense, the person who devised the con takes most of the blame.

    1. Re:Partial Truth by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He IS NOT the 'architect behind the subprime mortgages'. He saw that the banks were creating an unholy, likely illegal (but the SEC didn't appear to care EVEN THOUGH HE WENT TO THEM SEVERAL TIMES TO DISCUSS WHAT WAS GOING ON) and then basically decided to short them. He took enormous risks doing so. The only con were the big banks who blissfully didn't care what the hell they were packaging up as long as they could sell it.

      There are a number of books on the subject. The big banks carefully held the wool over their eyes. They reaped billions and got their wrists slapped.

      Paulson isn't exactly a 'nice' guy. They don't make them on Wall Street, but he worked legally within the system. The banks, arguably not so much.

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    2. Re:Partial Truth by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Informative
      If he is the architect behind the subprime mortgages

      He isn't. He told everyone that the subprime mortgages were worthless, then put his money where his mouth was. He shorted the market and got rich.

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  16. Harvard engineering by sjbe · · Score: 4, Informative

    Is Harvard known for engineering?

    Short answer is yes. They have a rather distinguished list of alumni. Some of the ones people here might know of include Bob Metcalf (inventor of ethernet), Dennis Ritchie (inventor of C), Fred Brooks (director of development for OS/360), Steve Balmer (yeah I know), Trip Hawkins (founder of Electronic Arts) and Bill Gates (didn't graduate but attended and yeah I know...)

    Harvard engineering might not be on the level with MIT but it doesn't suck.

  17. Re: Harvard is the right place by Crashmarik · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You really need to check your biases.

    There was an 11 year hunt for Bin Laden, But your going to assign all the credit to the guy who happened to be there at the end ?

    Solved the wars

    I love your use of the word solved. It's like solving power consumption issues with grenades.

  18. Capitalism is like nuclear power by sjbe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They are greedy assholes. Even Adam Smith recognized that. The insight Smith had that greedy assholes actually produce beneficial outcomes for society.

    Think of capitalism a bit like nuclear power. Capitalism is all about harnessing greed to the benefit of society. Unmanaged or poorly managed it results in a catastrophic meltdown to the detriment of all. With the right controls in place and good oversight (but not too much) it can be a hugely powerful force for good. This requires sensible rules fairly enforced. Too few rules and the meltdown occurs (see 2008 financial crisis). Too many rules and you don't get much benefit because nothing happens (the reaction shuts down). If things get too hot or a problem occurs you institute rules (like control rods) to throttle down the reaction before it blows.

  19. Re: Harvard is the right place by thunderclap · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Universal healthcare means everyone gets healthcare and it doesnt cost them anything. Obama didn't do that. He created a policy that was to force the states to fund health care and have the rich pay for the poor. That was rejected by almost half the states, So no we have no 'universal' healthcare. We have a tax if you don't have insurance.

  20. Re: Harvard is the right place by Bengie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Since Obama care, my coverage has gone up, my premiums have gone down, and the local hospital has reduced its prices. A local representative from the local hospital came to our work to explain coverage and premium changes because we get our insurance through the hospital network. They said since more people in general have insurance, there are fewer people going to the ER and more people scheduling proper doctor visits, which is driving down costs because the hospital is no longer having to eat the costs of poor people unable to pay a $1k ER bill, but can afford a $80 doctor's bill.

  21. Re: Harvard is the right place by NicBenjamin · · Score: 2

    You really need to check your biases.

    There was an 11 year hunt for Bin Laden, But your going to assign all the credit to the guy who happened to be there at the end ?

    Your biases are just as bad.

    The hunt for Bin Laden started in '98. He died in '11. That's a 13-year-hunt. But you don't like Clinton, so you don't want to credit him for being the only one who took Osama seriously before S11.

    And yes, I'm going to give full credit to the guy who actually finished the job. The previous two guys can get some partial credit (especially Clinton, because at the time his hunt for Bin laden was widely derided by everyone on both sides as the equivalent of Ahab going after the White Whale), but trying and failing does not result in full credit.

    Solved the wars

    I love your use of the word solved. It's like solving power consumption issues with grenades.

    Technically he solved the wars by pulling the grenade-throwers out.

    It would be a very good line if you'd use'd drone strikes. He still does those.

  22. Even free markets need some rules by sjbe · · Score: 2

    Just because you think of it as an out-of-control chain reaction doesn't make it so. In fact, free markets are exactly the opposite: market mechanisms give you negative feedback, not positive feedback.

    Please point out a single example of an unregulated free market that has never collapsed.

    As Milton Friedman put it, your fallacy is that you assume that "government is a way that you put unselfish and un-greedy men in charge of selfish and greedy men."

    You must be a conservative if you are quoting Friedman. Your fallacy is that you assume greedy men will work to the benefit of society when unconstrained by rule of law. I have centuries of evidence on my side that illustrates the fallacy of that notion. A reasonable amount of regulation is necessary for markets to function. As I said previously there can be too much regulation just as there can be too little. The trick is finding that spot where you have just enough to keep things moving in a positive direction.

    Financial markets were heavily regulated even in 2008; the idea that the cause of the "financial crisis" was lack of regulation is ludicrous.

    As someone who actually has worked in the finance industry you could not be more wrong. The cause of the meltdown was poorly regulated derivative financial instruments. People leveraged derivative contracts with huge counter-party risk without oversight well beyond what was prudent. Market forces were unable to keep the markets working because the regulation hadn't caught up to the state of financial practices. What regulations were in place were for problems other than the one that actually occurred. The "fixes" put in place after the fact probably still haven't appropriately addressed the problems. Markets are not magic and they need some amount of rules to actually function.

  23. Bets on a fixed fight don't make you a good guy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Posting anonymously b/c of mod points, but it sounds like he wasn't exactly a good guy. (My username is captnjohnny1618.)

    http://www.deepcapture.com/201...

    Yes, he did be against the overvaluation of the market. The shifty thing though is that he utilized resources that nearly 100% of people didn't have access to and ultimately designed a financial object that was certainly going to fail, ensuring a huge return on his investment. Instead of calling attention and trying to fix this major major problem that would have an effect not just on our economy and our people, but economies and people around the world, he decided to take advantage of it and make a huge amount of money at the expense of millions. (If he had done that, while at the same time making a huge amount of noise about the ways he saw the economy about to fail, this would be a different conversation).

    A comparable situation in our field would be a computer person ("hacker") with significant inroads to some big chip maker (Intel let's say) identifies a weak point in the chip design exposing some hugely powerful zero day attack. He helps designs a complex "fix" that ultimately looks like it will solve the issue, yet doesn't even come close, and starts selling that to the chip company for a few millions of dollars. The complexity of it helps to obscure (for a spell) the reality that it is actually a worthless patch, and he has maintained enough separation from the issue to deny at least some of the responsibility. Selling this makes a lot of money for a lot of people, but this guys waits a little longer to cash in for himself.

    Where it really gets shifty is that this guy knows that the fix is going to fail and it's only a matter of time, so he starts betting on the fix failing (in reality, he starts "hedging" on it, which is complicated and I don't understand all of its intricacies). Lots of it. So when the fix fails, as he knew it would and maybe even planned it to, he gets to cash in, and look like one of the smart ones who saw it coming.

    In reality he saw it coming because he had a big hand in creating it.

    Now in IT/CS/etc. we call that guy a huge dick for not telling the rest of the world about the problem and letting the free software community try and come up with a fix. If he had even remotely tried to peddle his BS fix, it would've been noticed and obvious, and people would accuse him of attempted fraud. If he tried to somehow pretend like he didn't have a responsibility to tell everyone, politicians and lawyers would be all over him with some trumped up charges that feign social responsibility, when it reality are just trying to recover the money this guy took from them. This guy just doesn't have to put up with that shit because all of those politicians and lawyers are his buddies and probably walked away pretty ok from all of this while the rest of us have to sit around and pick up the pieces.

    TL;DR: You didn't have some great insight into the problem if you win by betting on a fixed fight where you knew the outcome... and helped set up the fight... and helped invent boxing.

  24. Re: Harvard is the right place by Guy+Harris · · Score: 2

    You're thinking of the wrong school. Mass murderers have daddy buy their way into being a C student at Yale.

    Al Gore or John Kerry?

    Not Al Gore, given that he went to Harvard, not Yale.

  25. Re: Harvard is the right place by ganjadude · · Score: 2

    you forget that clinton actually had (at least one) chance to take out bin laden, he admits this much himself.... but didnt

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  26. Re: Harvard is the right place by Beck_Neard · · Score: 2

    For most of the 11 years absolutely fuck-all happened. We can say this with certainty because it's now been revealed that Bin Laden's 'fortress' was actually a Pakistani-controlled compound in which Bin Laden was under house arrest. So basically, Bin Laden spent the first 5 or 6 years roaming free in Afghanistan to do anything he wanted, then sought shelter in Pakistan for several more years until some people in the Pakistani government got tired of it all and tipped off the US. Then Obama staged this hilarious over-the-top SEAL campaign to go in there and execute him gangland-style (with a tie-in movie and merchandising!) though knowing full well that he wasn't going anywhere.

    The entire thing is just so hilarious that it's almost unbelievable. Neither Bush nor Obama did anything of substance to get Bin Laden.

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  27. Re: Harvard is the right place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    And Republicans will be hating on Obama after he is dead for a century.

  28. Re:It's been pretty strongly demonstrated... by tlambert · · Score: 4, Informative

    Brilliant riposte. Not.

    Sending the navy without funding to come back: Theodore Roosevelt, 1905, Dominican Republic

    Federalization of the National Guard to quell civil unrest: Dwight Eisenhower, September 24th 1957, Federalization of the Arkansas National Guard to enforce the integration of Central High School

    Federalization of the National Guard to quell civil unrest: Lyndon Johnson, March 20, 1965, Federalization of Alabama National Guard to supervise the march from Selma to Montgomery

    Executive orders used by fiat:

    1793, George Washington, first executive order regarding U.S. Citizens and the War between England and France
    1861, Abraham Lincoln, suspension of John Merryman's right of Habeas Corpus, detainment in Fort McHenry
    Great Depression, Franklin D. Roosevelt, 3,522 executive orders modifying everything from tax to works agencies
      ====(first order was on first day in office for a 4 day bank closure ans restructuring of the financial system)
    1952, Harry Truman, Siezure of the nations steel mills to prevent a strike (later rejected as unconstitutional, but purpose already served)
    Early 2002, George Bush, NSA authorization for domestic wire tapping
    Early 2009, Barack Obama, Closure of Gitmo scheduled
    2011, Barack Obama, Closure of Gitmo executive order revoked by executive order
    2012, Barack Obama, Tougher regulation of Greenhouse gasses
    2012, Barack Obama, Changes to deportation policy
    2012, Barack Obama, Education and employment for returning troops
    (various), Barack Obama, freezing of foreign assets belonging to Iran, Libya, North Korea, Somalia, and Syria
    2014, Barack Obama, prohibition on federal contractors discriminating against LGBT, and against discrimination in federal employment as well

    Clinton aide Paul Begala told The New York Times: "Stroke of the pen, law of the land. Kind of cool.". This was in response to the 1998 Whitewater scandal making it impossible for Clinton to move legislation through the Republican controlled congress. So he didn't; instead, he issued executive orders.

    There have also been some rumblings about Obama raising taxes via executive order:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/ro...

    Since Obama has been lame duck (he is in his second term), there's really nothing, other than the threat of impeachment, from pretty well doing whatever the hell he wants, in terms of executive orders and military orders. And as I noted, that threat has no teeth; it's not like anything he does is going to prevent him getting reelected, so it's not like he has to care about that.

    There's also the little fact that he rescinded the Gitmo closure order in 2011 -- in other words, he has no intention of keeping that campaign promise to the American people (nor, really, should he, since extraterritoriality is legally useful to the U.S. in many instances where what the U.S. is doing would be refused to be hosted by another country at one of the black sites).

    So now you have examples of everything on my list.

    I think it is you who need to "grow the fuck up".

  29. Re: Harvard is the right place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You're living in the tyranny of your own ignorance, that's worse you sad old fuck.

  30. Re: Harvard is the right place by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 2

    I have to agree, the only thing Obama has done was make Carter the second worst president in my lifetime.

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  31. Re: Harvard is the right place by Kwyj1b0 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Also, see "I haven't called the police in 45 years, I don't know why my taxes go to pay them."

    While you might not have directly gone to a clinic in 45 years, you definitely have benefited from good healthcare services. Notice how the US doesn't have polio, ebola, or any other epidemic? You're welcome. Now you can also get some meds for the delusions of tyranny.

  32. Re: Harvard is the right place by silentcoder · · Score: 2

    Writing a letter to a foreign power undermining an on-going presidential negotiation.
    That is unconstitutional and specifically an act of treason as defined in the Logan Act, which declares it treason for any American citizen (that includes senators) to make any contact whatsoever with a foreign power while that power is in negotiations with the president.
    The law does however recognize that this particular form of high treason isn't as damaging as some of the others, which is why the prescribed sentence is only 3 years in prison.
    But they ought to be charged. And just imagine if 43 republican senators including 2 presidential candidates were actually charged, convicted and jailed right now ...

    You didn't actually consider any of my other examples, did you ? Hell at least Reagan had to give up a fall-guy to get away with his (much more severe and outright) act of high treason. These guys had the whole country, and the media, pointing out their crime - they made America a laughing stock when they proved that the foreign minister of Iran knows America's constitution better than the republicans in congress do.
    It seems the only people who haven't figured out how criminal their letter was were chickenhawk republican voters and the rest of the government.

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