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Russian Official Calls For "International Investigation" of the Apollo Program
MarkWhittington writes: According to a Tuesday article in the Moscow Times, a spokesman for Russia's Investigative Committee named Vladimir Markin suggested that an international investigation be mounted into some of the "various murky details surrounding the U.S. moon landings between 1969 and 1972." Markin would particularly like to know where some of the missing moon rocks went to and why the original footage of the Apollo 11 moon landing was erased. Markin hastened to add that he is, of course, not suggesting that NASA faked the moon landings and just filmed the events in a studio.
Of course he's not suggesting that. He's suggesting that Putin wants another sideshow and is desperate enough to think this'll do it....
"I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
There, saved you reading the article.
Will Buzz Aldrin please pick up the white courtesy phone? We have need of your your services.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
From T first FA:
Venting his frustration with what he viewed as "U.S. prosecutors having declared themselves the supreme arbiters of international football affairs," Markin proposed that international investigators could likewise examine some of the murkier elements of America's past.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
It's a sideshow war
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Maybe if they believe we've never been there they'll restart the Space Race in an effort to get there first.
Here's why various moon rocks have gone missing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RGhKzUUaME
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A while back there was a huge hunt to find the original tapes used to record the lunar landing. It is suspected that the tape was re-used due to NASA's tight budget and they couldn't afford more tape. The tape was very expensive at the time so it was common to just re-use what they could find. The Apollo mission was done, so why would they need to keep the tape around. I'm sure it seemed like a good idea at the time.
That or it's stashed under someone's coffee table and forgotten about.
Fine, go ahead Russia, spend a chunk of your GDP and put some boots on the Moon and fact check the U.S.
Oh yeah, make sure to make some more nuclear missiles. That's not cheap either, but security!
But wait...weren't these exact activities what caused the USSR to bankrupt themselves back in the 90's? Just checking.
No hate Russia, but you need to rein in your rhetoric. You have been beaten by playing this hand before.
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Find the lost Doctor Who episodes, and you will find your answer. Probably not, but I would be happy. I want to see the Marco Polo serial.
So, some guy from a Russian Investigative Committee for ... what exactly? Snide innuendo and propaganda?
Does he have a mandate for something?
This is some idiot trying to throw around smoke about the fact that Russia is implicated in bribery with FIFA, and then somehow pulling the bullshit nugget out of his as to fling poo at the moon landings?
I wonder if Mr Vladimir Markin has stopped sodomizing young boys and embezzling resources from the state.
This article is such thinly veiled rhetoric and bullshit as to be deserving of a fucking award.
In three paragraphs he bitches about what we really wants to complain about, tosses in a snide reference to Americans investigating corruption, and then insinuiates that maybe there are other pieces of history for which the Americans have also acted corrupt and dishonorably. There's not even a pretense of denying Russia was corrupt.
Then the next two paragraphs is more innuendo to throw the reader away from realizing that Russia is alleged to have benefited from corruption in FIFA
I sincerely hope journalism classes are doing a case study in propaganda, and logic students everywhere are being shown the bald-faced, lies, innuendo, and misdirection in this utter piece of crap.
Bra-fucking-oh, I hadn't realized the extent to which the press in Moscow was still so utterly a tool of government.
That's some exceptionally well done lies right there. Carefully crafted to look like a reasoned argument, when in fact it's specious misdirection and innuendo.
I certainly hope that Mr Vladimir Markin doesn't have too many children out of wedlock, that could get awfully expensive.
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Just when I thought the fake moon landing conversation had ended.
It will not end until the truth comes out. When I was a kid, I went on the Universal Studio tour, and when I went to the toilet, the tram left without me. So I looked around, and accidentally wandered into the warehouse with the fake Tranquility Base. Everything was done in Styrofoam, painted gray to match the color of the moon. There was an exact replica of the Eagle lander. I saw it all with my own eyes. Then the security guards grabbed me, threatened me, and told me that no one would believe me if I said anything. It is ironic that after all these years, it is the Russians that have finally revealed the coverup.
The proof.
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He went on to say "I'm very skeptical, since the background in a lot of those moon photos looks just like the set we used to film those attacks on defenseless Russians by Ukrainian thugs...uh...um...I mean...nevermind."
Clearly fake. I can tell from some of the pixels.
Okay, okay, the bottom 90% of the vehicle that gets to a translunar trajectory is real because we saw it go up and disappear. But the top 10% was faked. That makes sense.
What about the Ant People? They owe us money.
Ha, I've seen the Marco Polo serial.
Mind, I was about ten at the time; it was being broadcast on CBC I think the year after it first aired on BBC.
About all I remember from it is a scene where they're crossing the desert, the TARDIS being carried in a wagon, and The Doctor supplies water to the party "collected from condensation on the inside walls", and the incredulity of the others who aren't aware that the TARDIS is smaller on the outside.
Also saw the first Dalek episodes when originally aired on CBC. Probably others too, but not as well remembered.
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It will not end until the truth comes out
The truth is once they ran the numbers for how much the program was going to cost, they decided to fake it. Then they ran the numbers on developing the technology to convincingly fake it, and that was even worse. So they sent some guys to the moon in a rocket and faked it from there.
If you are not allowed to question your government then the government has answered your question.
Master reel-to-reel tape was fucking expensive. So small time bands didn't keep the masters, or intermediate multi-track recordings. They instead reused tape that had already been used, and was then used again.
Even these days, plenty of time master recordings aren't kept. For professional productions they usually are but for others stuff often not. At work I do recordings some times and they are AVCHD recorded to internal flash in the camera. That gets erased and reused of course. When I dump the data, I keep it long enough to edit down the video and make sure the result is good, then purge it. It is too large to be worth keeping around. We could buy storage for it, but we don't.
My favorite thing in this discussion would be Nvidia's rendering of a moon landing, and their diatribe:
http://www.nvidia.com/coolstuf...
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There is nothing in this article other than some idiot saying he objects to the US appointing themselves in charge of investigating corruption, and by the way, we should look into their claims of landing on the moon.
Not that he thinks they lied about the moon.
This is very thinly veiled distraction and innuendo.
Don't treat it like it's a coherent anything. It's complete gibberish.
This is the fucking Wookie defense.
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This is the fucking Wookie defense.
I think you mean the Chewbacca defense.
But you're right about the innuendo, etc.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
Chewbacca is a Wookie. If Chewbacca is a Wookie, then we must investigate the US moon landings.
If FIFA is corrupt, then Chewbacca is a Wookie who must investigate the US moon landings.
There is no logical conclusion or argument being made here. Just blatant "hey, look at the moon landings".
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From the Russian point of view the only reason the US government investigated it and sough prosecution was because Russian is the next country to get the World Cup. The side show venting about the moon is because he didn't think about the corruption involved in the US getting the Olympics. So the Russians government does not care about the various US moon missions (at least in the past everything is changing now as the push is on to get back there, obviously this is secret that has just subconsciously leaked out), just empty bitching and a possible security blunder.
Look at all the stupid shit American politicians say, seriously stupid shit that doesn't even hint of benign as the FIFA investigation. Every time any Russian says anything it is Putin's fault or the whole Russian governments fault. Yet the endless stream of bullshit spouting out from the whackddoodles that infest the US congress and senate is considered as not being from the US government at all this by the US government.
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Okay, so I decided to do a little digging on the actual op-ed piece. It's available here: http://izvestia.ru/news/587742
Here is a translation of what he said regarding the moon landings, courtesy of washington post:
“No, we are not saying they never flew up there and just filmed a movie instead. But all these scientific, or perhaps even cultural artifacts are part of an international human heritage, and their disappearance is a great loss for all of us. An investigation would reveal [what happened and where they are].”
This is ALL he says about the moon landings. The slashdot post insinuates, "various murky details surrounding the U.S. moon landings between 1969 and 1972." but the actual piece after translation and in context with the corruption tone of the article looks like an accusation of US officials selling off or stealing material recovered from the moon. Not an accusation that the US never went to the moon. He even explicitly says that's not what he's questioning.
But I guess we gotta get our pitchforks and torches out because it's the evil bad Russia.
Everyone knows the moon landings were filmed on a soundstage on Mars!
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What does Putin have to do with this?
This is Markin, the well known token ultra nationalist retard who works as a spokesman rather than investigator. He's a bit like Rush Limbaugh in US, only with a whole lot less audience. Pens private op-eds every once in a while. He was mentioned a couple of times during a prime time show we had here in Finland about relations, basically dismissed by everyone as someone who likes attention and only gets it by publishing private over the top op-eds.
Trajectory of the rocket was not hard to calculate.
Soviet Radars closely watched the rocket.
Here is what Alexey Leonov (soviet cosmonaut) said about the hoax theory (I've translated only important part):
"... we had military unit 32103, which supported space transmission... Unlike the rest of Soviet Union, we watched Armstrong and Aldring landing on the moon... "
Grechko, another famous soviet cosmonaut adds to it:
"We know for sure that Americans landed on the moon. When we were receiving the transmission, it was from the moon, not from Hollywood"...
Add to it: hundreds of kilograms of moon soil, which are identical to several hundred grams brought to Earth by soviet robots..
Everyone knows the moon landings were filmed on a soundstage on Mars!
Yes, they first tried to do it in the Nevada desert, but they couldn't get the sound right.