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US Airlines Say Smaller Carry-Ons Are Not In the Cards
New submitter callgen writes: Airlines for America, a trade group for U.S. carriers, has rejected proposed international standards for carry-on bags. Last week, the International Air Transport Association (IATA) announced an initiative to "optimize" airlines' accommodation of carry-on bags by suggesting a new standard luggage size. It suggested a standard of 55cm x 35cm x 19cm, 58% of the size that Southwest allows. Most standard carry-ons are larger than IATA's recommendations, meaning travelers would have to purchase new luggage if the smaller size was adopted.
Those fucking "cm" things after the numbers? Midget inches?
Go fuck yourself Europe.
Also, frist post.
...in a weird twist that's like promoting the economy. Cause, ya know, you gotta buy new stuff. And stuff makes the world go 'round. Next to gravity.
If too much carry on luggage is a problem, then stop charging for checking a bag. When everyone got a checked back for free, there was plenty of overhead storage space, not to mention loading and unloading passengers was a lot faster because people weren't blocking the isles dealing with their carry ons. Now everyone tries to carry on as much as they can so they don't have to pay.
Smaller carry-ons would reduce their utility for many people, resulting in more mandatory checked back and more mandatory checked bag fees. The flight attendants would like it because there would be less boarding chaos with morons who fuck up the overhead bins. And the luggage industry would have a field day.
Really, if you stop and think about this it's a miracle they're not backing it, because if they did everybody but the consumer makes money off the deal.
Just enforce the fucking current rules.
I've yet to see anyone - except on tiny turboprops - forced to tag and check their godforsaken, obviously bigger than the fucking demonstrative cubic area display, entire motherfucking overhead compartment consuming suitcase.
Tell these fuckers, "Yeah, no." And suddenly, there won't be a problem.
Profanity because fuck you, I'm not moving my backpack under my seat and having three inches of leg room for six hours.
now they're shrinking carry-on luggage?
Fuck, there's only so much air you can pump out of a vacu-seal. I can only get two suits, four sets of undercrackers, a pair of sneakers and my laptop into carry-on as it is. BTW, here a carry-on follows Ryanair's example: 55x40x20cm, to fit in the overhead. Ryanair also allows a smaller piece of hand luggage as a second (since May last year as their passenger cabins only have rack space for 90 carry-ons, excess baggage goes into the hold), which in practical terms means you can carry three full changes of clothes in the cabin bag and a netbook in a neoprene sleeve.
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Airline love to terrorize and torture their "beloved" customers.
Look for more Terrorism and Torture from the Majors.
Gate Clerk: Show me your penis.
Traveler: What The Fuck!
Gate Clerk: By International Law you must present your penis to verify that you are NOT Muslim.
Traveler: Are you a fuck'n Nazi!
Well that is our world after all today.
Call me about their use of metric when they are capable of manufacturing a Boeing 787. Until then, I think I will go with the high technology solution which actually produces working carbon fiber aircraft.
United carry on size now is 22cm x 35cm x 56cm, not too far off, really
I think you are confused.
You are mixing up centimeters and inches again; you meant to say "5.5 inches".
Also, you appear to be exaggerating.
Instead of charging extra per bag, ihey should charge on the total weight (of passenger, carry on and checked bags)
since its the wieght that is the main cost for the modern airliner.
Even if they are not going to adopt this new oppressive (clearly a checked luggage cash-grab) standard.
They can still suck it for all of the other bullshit they put travellers through.
Like charging parents (i.e. for seat selection prior to the 24-hours-before-the-flight window when all of the seating is gone) to ensure that their kids sit with them and don't get stuck in a middle seat in between two paedophilic creeps.
Dear Asshole Airlines: get all of your fucking costs together and charge them all at once, up front, on the fucking ticket already. Stop this fucking hidden cost nickel-and-diming bullshit.
The IATA is asking for change. Can they make it happen?
They are, at first, a considerable global consortium of airlines, possibly in the realm of super-villians (given the global nature).
But, they only charge $15,000 USD per airline annually ($30,000 USD to join).
https://www.iata.org/about/mem...
Further, they have 256 member airlines from all around the globe (US based majors included).
So, they have a guaranteed annual revenue of $3.84M USD (excluding application and acceptance fees, non-recurring).
And that means they cannot be super-villians. It's a global organization, and they don't make enough money to buy a single US politician.
Per Open Secrets, US based airlines spent over $30M USD on lobbying and Federal election's in 2014.
http://www.opensecrets.org/ind...
I wish the IATA luck with the changes it wants.
But they are not super-villians.
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While normally luggage is a bit larger than the dimensions above, the ones above are about the right size to fit on most aircraft. The length of about 21" isn't the problem usually -- it's the other two dimensions. A bag of size 21" x 13" x 7" will fit in the overhead of a Bombardier CRJ200/400/700/900 (fits the long way), which used to be the problem size for me. Gate agents will still insist you tag it for gate check, but the flight attendants usually recognize your bag will fit, if you have one of the models popular with airline crew. I've seen a few rare TravelPro or Tumi bags of small enough dimensions (sorry, don't know models), but the one used more often by pilots (or at least by Delta pilots) and flight attendants in CRJs is the LuggageWorks Stealth 22" 737 Pilot. The "737" in the model name is important to get the right dimensions. It's a little expensive and heavy, but if you travel every week you may also be willing to endure this for a bag that actually fits and doesn't fall apart on you after two or three years of heavy travel like the ones from Target.
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Another in a long list of reasons I don't fly. TSA, invasion of privacy, strip searches, terrible service, loaded on like a heard of cattle, no leg room, charges for everything under the sun, delays...it's just easier to drive. I have no reason to travel overseas, would never leave America. If I want to see something overseas, I just look it up. I'd rather travel in the USA. Don't have to deal with the language problem, social problem, anti-American problem.
If you are an elite 100k flyer the airlines won't screw with you; as long as you aren't trying to drag a hugh bag on they will give you a pass because you are their best customers. The casual flyer will get screwed because the airlines can but they'll bend over backwards for the top tier flyers. Of course, beyond the few dicks most frequent flyers know the drill and just want get to their destination with their stuff with minimal hassle for all involved.
I'm a consultant - I convert gibberish into cash-flow.
Including the US.
Much of commerce and daily life in the US uses a customary system of measurements that traces its origins to England, before the revolution.
In 1859 the UK adopted a reformed and rationalized system of weights and measures that was binding on itself and its Imperial possessions, including about a quarter of the Earth's surface at that time.
The US did not adopt that system. Although in 1959, the US and the Imperial system countries adopted a common definition of the yard in SI units.
There are extensive differences between the US customary and Imperial systems, especially in units of volume and in larger units of weight.
All of this is explained by the National Institute of Standards and Technology [NIST, a division of the US Department of Commerce [nist.gov]] in Appendix B "Units and Systems of Measurement Their Origin, Development, and Present Status" to their publication Handbook 44 "Specifications, Tolerances, and Other Technical Requirements for Weighing and Measuring Devices" [PDF].
While we are correcting misconceptions, the SI system (often called metric) is lawful in the US, and has been so since 1866, and dominates several important activities, such as health care, and the military. What the US has not done, and probably will never do, is outlaw, the customary system.
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
it's all the other idiots who bring carryon that is clearly too big, or waste space putting their fucking backpacks/purses/coats up there.
A better solution would be to stop building planes that have a CYLINDRICAL fuselage when all our baggage is RECTANGULAR!
The problem is bags are too big, therefore anyone with a bag that is too big will need a new bag. *DUH*
Also, this is as much about reducing chaos and frustration with people trying to board with oversize/too much carry-on, not just about being able to fit everything in the overhead bins.
It is blindly obvious you are paying for the travel from point A to point B without luggage. Carry on and free baggage are only a convenience. "The advertised ticket price is the *only* thing the airline should be allowed to charge you for your seat, baggage (checked or carry-on up to a regulated size and weight), and any additional services offered to you during booking, in the airport or on the plane." which would lead to airline making sure that it is blindly obvious that you are not paying " it is ALREADY blindly obvious. Which is why for all big carrier I know of for big alliance (one world, star alliance) you are not paying for luggage, you are paying for excess luggage. That may be different for discounter like Ryanair but it is not the case for standard carrier. Heck the things is called an EBT (as in "excess baggage") or used to before the advent of EMD (electronic miscellaneous document).
"It's also high time that overbooking or fuel surcharges were banned, as well. It's not like the airline refunds you a portion of your ticket prices when gas costs less than expected, or refunds you if you decide not to travel on a ticket you paid for, so what possible reason is there for them to be allowed to raise the contractually-agreed price after you've already paid it or to sell your seat to somebody else as well and hope one of you doesn't show up?"
Firstly you do not pay AFTERWARD a surcharge. You pay it at the moment you pay your ticket and it is included in the price. The things is often the reservation is separated in time to the payment. All fee, services and tax are calculated at the moment you PAY, not at the moment you reserve. And it is quite clearly indicated normally when you book, except a few airline which advertise they guarantee you a price at reservation. And the contract is not "signed" at reservation by the way it is "signed" at payment. Which is why for example you can do a res , and then simply say "screw it I am a noshow" and thus making sure the airline has to overbook or get screwed with a non saleable place and thus loss of money. And do not get me started with double booking by some people (cheapo tariff and normal eco tariff, if they get the place in the cheapo one they simply refund the normal tariff).
"or refunds you if you decide not to travel on a ticket you paid for"
You actually get a refund for tickets you do not travel. Depending on your tariff it may be partial, full, or minimal. That is why you can get a cheapo ticket : you forgoe the ability to get a refund or free rebooking. Want to be able to refund ? Then stop buying the cheapest tarif and get the normal undiscounted tariff.
"Sadly, there's zero chance any of this will ever happen" There is no chance that will happen because your post is based of a totally erroneous understanding on the reservation and ticket sale process. Why this was modded insightful is a wonder.
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Instead of charging extra per bag, ihey should charge on the total weight (of passenger, carry on and checked bags)
since its the wieght that is the main cost for the modern airliner.
You honestly think airlines haven't considered that. They figured out it costs more than it will save.
Besides that, do you think an airport rent-a-cop is going to tell Mr SteroidJunkie that he has to pay and Mr Tubby gets through for free he weighs more than the Chubster?
BTW, when you fly on light aircraft in commercial service like a Dash-8, you do get weighed because that plane has a very low MTOW. There's a reason they know it's unworkable.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
Fucking American cretins...
If it needs wheels, it is not a frgggin' carry-on!
Overhead bins do NOT mean that there is a compartment for each passenger! You're supposed to share that space! But no, everyone nowadays has to bring these cases that aren't much smaller than the suitcase I regularly use for checked baggage! carry on is your survival pack with stuff you need between checking and retrieving your regular baggage, plus a pair of clean underwear and a towel and what you might need if your regular baggage is late.
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In Europe, low cost airlines (wooden-bench airlines in local parlance) traditionally measured free cabin carry-on luggage as 1pcs of max. 55x40x20cm.
Then WizzAir, a shady swiss-financed newcomer rival to the Ryanair giant, reduced free baggage size to 1pcs of 42x32x25cm, so that it must fit under the seat in front of you. Simultaneously they introduced paid "large" carry-on luggage with standard IATA dimensions of max. 56x45x25cm and allowed cargo hold baggage to grow to max. 32 kilos per piece. The idea was to steer people from carrying overhead bin cabin luggage at all, because the A-320 / B-737 are designed to only have rack space for 90pcs of IATA standard size baggage, that is only ~half of the 180-188 person maximum capacity. This often caused caused tight 25-30 mins turn-around slots to be missed as pax and stewardesses argued over excess luggages that just wouldn't fit. Sometimes a toilet cubicle had to be stuffed full of Samsonites to be able to take off. (It takes huge time to transfer already cabined baggage to the cargo hold.) Now Wizz can easily meet the timetable and earn extra money, clever.
The big rival Ryanair responded by keeping their cabin bag size unchanged, but allowing one extra laptop bag or small 35x20x20cm handbag to be carried onboard for free as well. On the other hand, only the first 90 people in the security check queue can actually carry these in the cabin, the rest must submit them for transport in the plane's cargo hold, for free. (In contrast, Ryanair CEO's original goal was to eliminate cargo hold loaded lugagge at all and expect people to buy everything they need at the destination and throw them away at the end of holiday. This proved to be a daydream.)
Anyhow, since low-cost travelers are often on tight schedule, many dislike submitting baggege into the cargo hold, because onloading times are unpredictable. Furthermore, overland mobility is much easier with a backpack or a backpack-small trolley compared to the multiple Samsonite mini-18 wheelers, some people submit to the cargo hold.
Every single flight there is always several scumbags trying to force an obviously too overstuffed or too big of a bag in the overhead. They just let them continue to smash other peoples stuff and force it in there instead of saying, Bag must be checked, $25.00 plus a $10 cheap jerk fee.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
Not once have I seen an airline actually enforce carry-on size regulations, in 40 years of air travel.
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The loading and unloading time of an aircraft is extended by 20 minutes or more just to accommodate those who want to carry on their luggage. I say make a checked bag free, but charge the $25 for anything other than a personal carry-on (purse, laptop). That will stop a lot of this delay and save money/schedule as well as ease security lines.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
How about this:
* everyone gets one free checked luggage
* your first carry-on items is $10
* your second and subsequent ones are $50
What they're trying to say is the following: thanks in part to airlines charging for luggage, passengers often encounter situations where the plane is full and some bags are gate-checked, at no additional cost to the passenger. On some of the smaller aircraft, many "perfectly legal"-sized bags are out of necessity gate-checked. The "Cabin OK" logo is IATA's way to signal that, barring exceptional circumstances, that bag need never be checked at the gate. The idea is that the gate agent need only grab the trolleys without the logo to ensure space on a full flight.
ok, so why does the whole world use such a fucked up time system? 60/60/24? 7 days? 28/29/30/31? The only natural measurement is the solar year, and that's a little iffy.
The airline I fly has no size limit for carryons (except the size of the passenger compartment of the plane) and no weight limit except for the gross weight of the plane. Plus, they go many more places than most of the "big" airlines... I'm very happy with them.
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everyone is too dumb to store their garbage in them quickly
This time, your spelling error still makes a proper sentence, but destroys the meaning of your post. Now consider the hilarity that ensues when "know" is understood in the Biblical sense.
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...shaped like a cube, 1 foot or 10 inches on each side and get a 1 gallon of volume.
Nor can you subdivide up and down between the sizes without hauling out some really unintuitive fractions - while various measures use various fractions.
Number of inches in a foot or a yard is NOT the number of ounces in a pint, quart or a gallon.
Nor do any of those match with ounces, pounds and stones.
And not only that, an ounce is not the same value OR fraction of a pint (1/20) and of a pound (1/16).
How many ounces in a glass of water? Well it depends...
Meanwhile...
1 meter = 10 x 1 decimeter = 100 x 1 centimeter = 1000 x 1 millimeter
1 liter = 10 x 1 deciliter = 100 x 1 centiliter = 1000 x 1 milliliter
1 kilogram = 10 x 1 hectogram = 100 x 1 decagram = 1000 x 1 gram = 1000000 x 1 milligram
1 liter of H2O = 1 kilogram of H2O = 1 cubic decimeter of H2O
0 degrees Celsius = freezing point of H2O while 100 degrees Celsius = boiling point of H2O
I.e. Points where it changes aggregate states from liquid to solid and from liquid to gas.
Points at which you are no longer measuring temperature of a liquid. Ends of the scale.
Fahrenheit?
0 is the point of change of aggregate state of 1:1:1 mixture of salt, water and ice - while 100 is a couple of degrees above "blood temperature".
Which is stupid in so many ways I don't even want to go into it.
And no... "100 degrees means it's hot outside" is not a good rule of thumb due to a simple fact that no two people are alike or have exactly the same preferences.
And that's without going into more technical measures like Watt, Volt, Ampere, Calories etc. which are all based and interact with other SI units.
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