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The Tools Don't Get You the Job

An anonymous reader writes: It's a trend that seems to permeate education across every discipline, from creative to technical: reliance on a single expensive, proprietary, vendor-driven tool. Whether it's the predominance of Adobe in design programs, of Visual Studio in many computer science programs, or even Microsoft Office components in business schools, too often students come away with education that teaches them how to be rote users of a tool rather than critical thinkers who can apply skills in their discipline across toolsets. Relying on knowledge of a single tool chain can create single point of failure for a student's education when licensing comes back to bite. What can we do to bring more software choice into education to give students more opportunity when they get out into the real world?

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  1. In other news by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Random updates (downgrades) to the UI don't get you more readers (or clicks).

  2. like SW? by AndyKron · · Score: 5, Funny

    You mean like grinding my life away on SolidWorks?

  3. No, not so much by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Tools Don't Get You the Job

    Well except for when the company hiring for the job only uses a certain set of tools and actually wants you to have experience in them, right? Because that is hardly an exceptional case.

    1. Re:No, not so much by phishybongwaters · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You missed the point. It's not about the tool specifically, of course you need to skill yourself in whatever applications your field is going to use. But if you are merely becoming a pro at using that 1 tool you are likely not thinking past how to use that tool. Want an example? Web hosting. So you are a wiz at dreamweaver or whatever other crapware people use to make template webpages these days, great for you. What happens when the company that hires you expects you to actually UNDERSTAND HTML and PHP and AJAX and JAVASCRIPT? You fail miserably as you don't actually have web hosting skills, you have point and click dreamweaver skills. This is a horrible example, but it's kind of to the point. For the coders: You use node.js? Fantastic, good for you, but do you actually understand what it's doing for you? Could you code those functions yourself? Can you look at them and at least make sense of 50% of it? If the answer is no, you don't know how to code javascript, you know how to use libraries.

  4. The tool DOES get you the job by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because HR Drones don't understand software, I am finding that quite often the tool DOES get you the job, and consequently, it's incredibly hard to break out of either the LAMP or Microsoft Silos when designing software. Sure, for a particular industrial robot, FORTH may be a better language, or for certain expert systems, LISP machines work well, but when doing such a project in the real world, there are only a few real choices- C#, C++, Java, or Python is all anybody cares about.

    So make sure your students are exposed to a wide variety- but make sure they're EXPERTS in learning new frameworks and learning new syntax.

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  5. Re:Encourage autodidactism by MarioXXX · · Score: 3, Informative

    >A diploma is worthless if you can't think for yourself, but this isn't something that can be taught, apparently.
    See: Philosophy

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  6. Visual Studio is free by ljw1004 · · Score: 5, Informative

    reliance on a single expensive, proprietary, vendor-driven tool. Whether it's the predominance of Adobe in design programs, of Visual Studio in many computer science programs, ...

    Visual Studio is free for students, OSS contributors, and small teams. It's only larger enterprises that have to pay for it.

    Visual Studio Code is free and cross-platform, runs great on Linux (and mac), and is a pretty handy tool for working in node.js and other languages.

    (disclaimer: I work in the Visual Studio team)

  7. Re:Encourage autodidactism by DrVxD · · Score: 3, Funny

    If the students actually care about what they're learning

    They don't.

    unless they are blithering idiots

    They are.

    they'll use their critical thinking

    They have none

    go learn what extra they may need all by themselves.

    They won't.

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  8. Re:straw man alert by turp182 · · Score: 4, Funny

    To get away from the Slashdot front page.

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  9. Blacksmiths by Darinbob · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A blacksmith will typically create an anvil for personal use, rather than buying one. It's a part of the process of becoming a real blacksmith. It's not unique here, many craftsmen make or customize their own tools. I see hardware engineers doing this a lot as well, jurying rigging up some device to help them out.

    This used to be true with programming too, there weren't many tools so you had to write your own or modify someone else's (and you shared them with others). If a new type of computer came out you would port the tools are maybe even write some from scratch. Today the kids can't even begin to imagine this: if there's not a button on their IDE's to do what they want then they don't do it, they don't bother learning a scripting or shell languages to do what they need. I mean it's a frigging computer, the whole point of it is to be able to program it to do what you want it to do!

    1. Re:Blacksmiths by jakimfett · · Score: 5, Informative

      Have to disagree with you here, as both a blacksmith and "one of today's kids".

      Anvils are typically purchased, because "blacksmith" doesn't equate to "foundry".
      Many kids today are just as, if not *more*, motivated to ask questions than the "older generation". This includes asking "how can I do something my IDE doesn't support".

      Extra info on the blacksmith bit: most blacksmith shops are designed around the idea of forging metals, not smelting them. This is part of why a blacksmith's anvil was and is one of their most prized possessions...it used to be nearly irreplaceable. Current technology has made cheap anvils fairly available, but you can't just buy a 300 pound anvil at your local Home Depot.
      The process of creating an anvil is one of the few things that you can't do with traditional blacksmith tools. If you have an anvil and a single hammer, all of your other tools can be made from bits of metal or bar/rod stock. Punches, tongs, other hammers...even the forge itself can be made by hand. But the anvil has to be a solid piece of metal, and the only way to do that is with a shop designed specifically for anvil making, or with modern metal casting equipment.

      Moving on from the anvil bit to the "kids these days, gerrof mah lawn" bit...I would hazard that the typical distribution of interests has migrated outward in the bell curve. Technology today makes it easy for an unmotivated child to spend the majority of their day immersed in facebook/instagram/pinterest/twitter/etc. But it also makes it much easier for a motivated child to find knowledge.
      An example from my personal experiences: I ran Minecraft servers for about 3 years, and had one of the more successful modded servers online in early to mid 2014. A lot of the players were in the 8-18 years old range. And quite a lot of them were interested in figuring out and using interesting game mechanics to their advantage. We're talking about kids in their early teens learning digital logic so that they can build a piston based elevator with floor selection buttons. I know more teenagers who have a solid grasp of programming decision logic because of ComputerCraft than I do professional programmers who learned via a 4 year computer science school.

      Obviously, it's just my own personal experience. But I was one of the kids who started out with an IDE scratching out HTML, and now I'm a linux system administrator with four or so languages under my belt.

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