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Antineutrino Detectors Could Be Key To Monitoring Iran's Nuclear Program
agent elevator writes: Tech that analyzes antineutrinos might be the best way to keep tabs on Iran's nuclear program. The technology, which can tell how much of and what kind of plutonium and uranium are nearby, should be ready to serve as a nuclear safeguard in less than two years, according to IEEE Spectrum. In a simulation of the Arak nuclear plant, which the Iran deal requires be redesigned to make less plutonium, a detector parked outside in a shipping container could do the job.
How about we also install these in Israel, a country that has threatened to bomb its neighbors? They apparently have an extensive nuclear program that isn't inspected or regulated by the International Atomic Energy Agency.
They are also a repressive country that denies same sex couples and interracial couples the right of marriage while their kin in the legal system and media forces it on us. It is 2015 and it is time Israel joins the rest of us in it.
monitoring irans nuclear project has already been done, full stop. the only countries clammouring about the lies and deceit of the Iranian program and is utter affront to mankind are Israel and the United States. the IAEAE reports are impartial, international, and widely regarded to have the final say that Iran is not in fact developing a nuclear weapon. But for the US this doesnt matter because internationally accepted standards of monitoring and regulatory observation do not apply to it. Israel objects to a nuclear program on any level as it represents energy independence and, this is key, the ability to emerge as a regional superpower capable of selling resources to neighbouring allies. Presently Oil is the currency to which most middle east nations operate, but if Iran emerged to provide clean nuclear power it would result in many nations being able to not only free up their own oil dependencies by purchasing the resource, but lend them more power against western interests through their increased autonomy. Iran itself would find relief from perpetual sanctions by the US and allies, and in doing so cement its already rising status as a regional power player.
for the hawks, its also worth noting that Iran has already enriched to 'bombmaking' levels, and never once pursued the weapon. They did this after numerous assassinations of scientists by Israeli mossad, and a cyberattack by western security agencies. Iran is inflammatory, declaring the destruction of zionism (a form of government thats led to the palestinian apartheid, not the underlying religion of judaism) but so to is the US in calling for bombings of iran, iraq, and numerous proxy war states in the past.
finally, the reason the US wants a deal is because its ability to project power and stability in the region has been delt a crippling blow after iraq and afghanistan, a domestic housing crisis and market collapse. the US understands that, deal or not, Iran will very soon have the ability to take a far more decisive role in domestic and regional politics than Washington can effectively control. the coup-and-replace shuffle doesnt work in south america anymore, as it increasingly doesnt work in the middle east. Think of this as baby steps toward a reconcilliation. The united states has a choice: partner with regional power centers or bleed itself dry for 50 more years protecting an apartheid state and an inconsequential amount of crude oil.
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When antineutrinos are found, Iran will be sent a strongly worded letter protesting the resumption of their nuclear weapons program.
Now that Iran is going to get nukes, Saudi Arabia and Egypt are going to try to get them, too.
And thanks to Obumble's fecklessness with Ukraine (provoke a regime change that you know will lead to war, then run away), there isn't any country on Earth that is going to be willing to give up nukes ever again.
This isn't the Hope and Change you expected, now is it?
- Massive surveillance state
- "Extrajudicial" killings of US citizens
- Regime change in Libya that led to one of the worst failed states ever (and you thought Iraq was bad? But we can't publicized The Won's FAILURE in Libya, now can we?)
- "The JV" in control of 3/4 of Syria and 1/3 of Iraq and inspiring if not actually conducting terrorist attacks inside the US.
- Iran nuclear deal where Iran gets out from under crippling sanctions for paper promises they're going to walk away from (aka taqiya)
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Iran gets 24 days warning before any inspection and has sites that can't be inspected at all .
These short range detectors are going to help how ? All they have to do is move the material around.
Obama's straw man was the only alternative to this deal was to allow Iran getting nukes because we couldn't stop them.
We still can't stop them, but we've removed sanctions.
And isn't it nice that with Congressional approval still required, Obama's saying that if Congress disapproves the deal, Iran still gets out from under sanctions?
WHAT THE FUCK?
Did Obama just negotiate an agreement subject to Congressional approval that's still in force even if it's not approved?
What the fuck is this? Star Trek?
No, seriously, we can detect antineutrinos? From space? Warp drives and teleportation can't be far behind!
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Oh, it gets better.
We don't know if there's even a *difference* between a neutrino and an antineutrino. It may in fact be its own antiparticle.
And then there's this thing about how they each oscillate among three types.
You know what would have been even easier than trying to detect a particle we don't even know really exists?
NOT LETTING THEM BUILD A BOMB IN THE FIRST PLACE!
I mean, great job, Obama, according to your own advisers, you've given Iran a one-year path to building an atomic bomb. Maybe we should have kept the framework in place that was actually working at preventing them from building nukes?
Oh, and I note that the article claims that these "anti-neutrino" detectors could be available as soon as two years from now. Which is notably after the one-year "breakout" period Obama himself says Iran will need to finish a bomb. (The idea being that they won't be able to hide it from us over that year. You know, because that worked so well with North Korea.)
That worked out real well.
Dice are a filthy bunch of ZIONIST RACISTS who never focus on the massive arsenal of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons held by JEWISH STATE. And of course, the partnership between Jewish State and Islamic State (paralleling the partnership between the FRONTS, Israel and Saudi Arabia) is never discussed here either.
Iran stands as the LAST powerful entity opposing Jewish State and Islamic State, which is zionist organisations like Dice are so determined to see Iran taken out. Google, owned and controlled by several senior members of Jewish State, is on a TRILLION dollar mission to build robotic killing machines for the US War Machine, precisely so American sheeple can be persuaded to accept an American war against Iran.
Only BETA SHEEPLE are so thick, they NEVER question a 'rule' or 'law' only applied to one side or one group of people. Last year, for instance, Jewish State used weapon systems specifically designed to fight a World War to HOLOCAUST Gaza. 100% of the US Congress- Jewish State patsies to the last man and woman- unanimously voted to support the mass murdering war-crimes of Jewish State. And, of course, today that same bunch of politicians is supporting the destruction of Yemen by Islamic State and Jewish State (Jewish and Sunni pilots are flying day and night bombing raids, under Saudi colours, against all the major civilian infrastructure centres of Yemen).
Will YOU applaud Dice for continuing to promote Jewish State terror propaganda on this site?
No. It's virtually impossible to clean up the site to the level that the residue cannot be detected.
You don't clean the room. You remove the room. You build a room within a room if residue is an issue, you have 24 days to remove the inner contaminated materials.
Plus some residue may be within treaty rules. Allowed to produce X amount of material but you actually produce 10x. 24 days to dial the equipment back down and remove excess production.
I had a notion that the P5+1 vs. Iran nuclear agreement was partially based, on our side, on the knowledge of medium-term future verification technologies. This is the first article that I've seen on this subject.
I hate that I saw this bullshit and actually loved it.
...should be ready to serve as a nuclear safeguard in less than two years
a detector parked outside in a shipping container could do the job.
How does this really help us NOW?
Assuming that such a detector is possible, can be built, and does work, then the next problem is getting the Iranians to allow it to be emplaced and not tampered.
Also, who pays for it? Money stopped growing on trees sometime ago. As a US taxpayer, why should I have to foot the bill for something to ensure that a rogue state is playing by the rules to which they agreed?
Why are everyone against neutrinos? Why not a nice pro-neutrino detector. How about some support for our tiny mass brethren?
Nobody gives a shit about these safeguards, now get with the program and find a pretext to invade the place already.
So you can monitor? So what? You're too wimpy to do anything about the findings. And you're too cowardly to take action until your nuked.
Good riddance.
1. This agreement gives Iran a place at the table for voting on whether Iran is in violation (doh!)
2. This agreement only allows IAEA inspectors form nations friendly to Iran and exempts military sites (No Americans will be allowed to inspect - so much for the Obama/Kerry claim that WE will have complete 24hr/day 7day/week inspections of all Iranian sites)
The problem with this idiocy which pretends to be an "agreement" as a way to pretend to be a "treaty" for international law purposes but not for US law purposes (under the US Constitution, any actual treaty would require a 2/3 vote of the US Senate, and any non-treaty agreement like this is not recognized) is NOT some detail here, or some clause there.......... the problem is the entire agreement. The entire crap sandwich, which legitimizes the Iranian nuke and ICBM programs which we all KNOW will lead to nuclear war is built from a mountain of bad ideas no Miss America pageant contestant is dumb enough to fall for. The Iranian leaders are some of the very few people on Earth who have announced their desire to start such a war and to use it to bring-on their messiah, and they have fueled most of the terrorism on Earth in the past 70 years. The Iranians have a long history of providing money, plans, and weapons to terrorists.
if any of the idiots on the feckless IAEA inspection teams (who's inspections have NEVER prevented a nuclear "breakout") discover any residual radiation, the Iranians will just say "well, of course! That's from BEFORE the agreement!"
Remember, among the heap of Obama/Kerry promises of minimum terms they would require but have now abandoned, was the requirement that Iran come clean on all its pre-agreement nuclear activities. The Iranians cleverly, and Obama and Kerry gullibly, removed that requirement so there is no baseline.
the same team of fools produce the same foolishness.
The Democratic National Committee, and Hillary2016 do not want you to notice the FACT that the same idiotic Democrat Party activists, like Wendy Sherman negotiated both agreements and they will both result in nuclear tipped ICBMs in the hands of madmen and aimed at American cities.
"Today, after 16 months of intense and difficult negotiations with North Korea, we have completed an agreement that will make the United States, the Korean Peninsula, and the world safer. Under the agreement, North Korea has agreed to freeze its existing nuclear program and to accept international inspection of all existing facilities. This agreement represents the first step on the road to a nuclear-free Korean Peninsula. It does not rely on trust. Compliance will be certified by the International Atomic Energy Agency. The United States and North Korea have also agreed to ease trade restrictions and to move toward establishing liaison offices in each other's capitals. These offices will ease North Korea's isolation." - President Bill Clinton, Oct 18, 1994
You will notice the usual left-wing carping about the need to reduce the isolation of the bad guy, and the promise that IAEA inspections will prevent a breakout (which they did NOT in North Korea where the IAEA utterly failed and they now have nukes which they have threatened to use on Los Angeles)
Bill Clinton has been proven a fool by history, but even HE was not stupid enough to make a deal that specifically excludes American inspectors and inspections of the enemy's military facilities - and North Korea went full-on nuclear while being under Bill's agreement. The Nixon, Carter, and Reagan deals with Russia allow for both scheduled and snap inspections of military sites, as is the norm for big international arms agreements.
You Jew-haters have me convinced that the Jews must indeed be "God's chosen people" - it seems that all evil people "out" themselves by spouting fountains of hatred toward Jews. Every Muslim extremist curses Jews. Every Confederate-flag-waving, cross-burning, skin head rants against Jews. Foil-hat-wearing socialists who wan tear down free market economies claim all the big banks and businesses are run by evil Jews. Foil-hat-wearing libertarians who want to end all government (the extreme fringe of Libertartians) claim the Jews are responsible for socialism and marxism (who said foil hat wearers had to agree with each-other?). When all the evil guys with nothing else in common unite against somebody, it's possible that the person they hate is indeed a friend of the big guy upstairs...
Your garbage about a Gaza Holocaust is particularly interesting in that, like the claims of a moon landing hoaxer, it's so irrational and self-inconsistent that it is literally insane. In the Holocaust, the Germans rounded-up all the Jews they could get their hands on from all of Europe and they set about to deliberately and methodically take their possessions (including their teeth and hair) as plunder, murder them and, then erase them from history by burning them and getting rid of the ashes. The Jews of Israel, by contrast, have made no effort to pull-in Arabs, Eqyptians, Jordanians, or imaginary Palestinians (there never was a Palestinian nation in world history) to kill them. The Jews, in fact, retreated from the Gaza, turning it over to the Palestinians who then voted to be ruled by terrorists who use the Gaza to launch rockets at the civilians of Israel (an actual war crime, not an internet "war crime"). The so-called Palestinians COULD have made the Gaza into a great place and demonstrated their peaceful and productive nature to the world, but they chose to use it as a platform to attack the Jews and even to make trouble for the Egyptians.
In the wake of the ACTUAL Holocaust the whole world, which failed to come to the aid of the Jews, owes the Jews some degree of latitude and understanding of a natural and justified paranoia; the Jews are entitled to the view that they MUST have a nation of their own since the rest of the word objectively proved no other land would ever be truly safe for them. Even with that, in Israel the non-Jews are allowed to live, worship, run businesses, and vote in elections etc. Palestinians, on the other hand, are able to live in any of a dozen other nations with the same language and religion and from which their ancestors came in the first place. There is not a single Muslim nation where Jews, Christians, and atheists are free to live and work and worship (or not). These things are NOT alike and thus should not be treated equally. In Palestinian-controlled areas like the Gaza, more people are killed and oppressed by their own leaders than by the Jews of Israel.
It takes a crazy conspiratorial Shiite Iranian to propose the sort of bizarre hate-filled accusation you did about Sunni Saudi Arabia getting nukes from Israel - THAT is some major Jew hating you've got going there!
Where in the various treaties negotiated in the recent past has a "blind trust" as you term it, been an essential part? Seriously, you'd cast out all forms of diplomacy as being too trusting, and instead prefer war? Have you ever been in a war? Have you ever seen civilians killed because they had the misfortune of living nearby a perceived threat? If you had, then I believe that you would (eventually) prefer a flawed diplomacy to what promoters of war would profess to be the perfect solution.
There are other options besides this crap deal and war. But neither Obama nor you want to talk about them, because they'd make the president look like the fool* he is.
*and that's the most generous term applicable.
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be the name of a store, not a government agency.
AC, people like you make a good argument for the Internet going back to pre-1990's era, where only Universities, the military, and the government had access to the Internet: The surest way to ruin a good thing is to get too many people involved with it.
You're not funny, you're not clever, you're not even remotely interesting, and you're not wanted. Just leave. Go take up basket weaving, or knitting, or some other handcraft, rather than spewing your verbal diarrhea all over the Internet via your keyboard.
Now, back to the actual topic-at-hand: Can these anti-neutrino detectors work from a satellite in geosynchronous orbit? If so, then why not implement them that way?
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
Da' fuck are you on - you are batshit insane and ranting like a moron, and clearly hate us Jews (because your so pissed we kick so much terrorist ass).
-Israeli.
And um... I'm commenting on this for truth, my people, and not my paid by the government unfortunately.
Both Egypt and Saudi Arabia are signatories in the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT). So, it would be very unlikely that either would start developing nuclear weapons now.
The general consensus is that it was a stupid move to sign for that while Israel, a neighbor and foe, did not sign the same terms.
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When last I looked; to detect neutrinos (both positive and negative spin) you need ginormous tanks shielded from any other background radiation including cosmic rays to be able to detect them at all. One sitting outside a nuclear facility would show way too much background if an internal combustion vehicle drove by.
(radioactive tags used to separate batchs in refining facilities are a constant headache in fuels and oils used at nuclear facilities - is it from our facility or a process tag we are detecting?)
If someone finds a way to detect neutrinos with something that will fit on a hand cart; that might be a viable idea.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino_detector
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_neutrino_experiments