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'Privacy Visor' Can Fool Face-Recognition Cameras

itwbennett writes: Dark shades aren't enough to go incognito in the age of face recognition camera systems. For that you need the Privacy Visor developed at Japan's National Institute of Informatics. The visor consists of a lightweight, wraparound, semitransparent plastic sheet fitted over eyewear frames. It works by reflecting overhead light into the camera lens, causing the area around the eyes to appear much brighter than normal.

110 comments

  1. Kind of self-defeating by timrod · · Score: 5, Interesting

    These glasses seem kind of pointless in that from what the article says, they pretty much have to be that big in order to actually work - the earlier model by the same company was even bigger. With something like this, the goal should be to make them as surreptitious as possible so that the person wearing them doesn't stand out in a crowd and thus draw attention from whatever security organization is likely monitoring the cameras. $250 (at current exchange rates anyway) is also far too high of a price tag for a pair of what are basically glorified sunglasses.

    Now, if they looked like normal sunglasses (or better yet could be built into prescription glasses) and were under $100, I could see myself getting a pair of these if I planned to be in an area with heavy CCTV usage.

    1. Re:Kind of self-defeating by freeze128 · · Score: 3, Funny

      $250 to look like an idiot? Put a nylon stocking over your head for the same effect.

    2. Re:Kind of self-defeating by Darinbob · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The basic reason they work is probably that current face recognition programs are confused by them. The light being shined back is a minor influence at best, it does not blind the cameras. A few tweaks and the system will recognize faces again.

    3. Re:Kind of self-defeating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      whatever security organization is likely monitoring the cameras

      Nobody monitors the cameras, that's the whole point of computerized face recognition.

    4. Re:Kind of self-defeating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    5. Re:Kind of self-defeating by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      There's a simpler and free solution already.

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    6. Re:Kind of self-defeating by wept · · Score: 1

      "Son, you got a panty on your head."

    7. Re:Kind of self-defeating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The light being shined back is a minor influence at best, it does not blind the cameras. A few tweaks and the system will recognize faces again.

      Not without increasing error rates for all faces. Every choice has a cost. The question is whether the cost is worth the return.

    8. Re:Kind of self-defeating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depends on your algorithm. The example in the article looks more like face detection than face recognition, which is a much much simpler problem. Generally they look for certain features in a particular configuration, eyes being one of them. This removes the eyes and so stops the algorithm working. Sunglasses kind of resemble large eyes so don't defeat the algorithm, it's whiting the area out so there's no feature there that's stopping it working. An algorithm that used an oval shape with ears, nose, mouth, chin, hair could still spot the face without needing the eyes. And there are probably face detection algorithms that still recognise that face, at least in certain lighting conditions. Just not the one they tested it with.

    9. Re:Kind of self-defeating by Barbecue911 · · Score: 1

      Geekier: buy a Spiderman or Batman suit. Avoid Superman unless you look like Christopher Reeves.

    10. Re: Kind of self-defeating by ememisya · · Score: 1

      From a programmer's perspective. A moving object with detectable skeletal structure (can still detect legs, arms, torso) that's missing a face can mean a few things in a surveillence system. Zombie, headless horseman, or a doll animated by dark magic. Any of those things would be more of a point of interest than "another human with a face".

    11. Re:Kind of self-defeating by edtice1559 · · Score: 1

      Just wear a hijab.

    12. Re:Kind of self-defeating by shadowrat · · Score: 1

      not only that, but facial recognition is just going to keep getting better. in a couple years. it's going to easily identify someone like bruce wayne in his batman costume.

    13. Re:Kind of self-defeating by drainbramage · · Score: 1

      Elton John has been wearing these for years.

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    14. Re:Kind of self-defeating by LessThanObvious · · Score: 1

      It's hardly a bargain compared to my tin-foil hat and face mask. It`s really great that we feel the need to evade facial recognition rather than banning it. I applaud the effort to provide people with tools to shield their privacy, but it needs work. Until we have something simple and easy that doesn`t look out of place to those around you or to those watching the cameras, it`s useless. Protecting your privacy and security by standing out isn`t effective. The ability to blend in is a basic requirement.

    15. Re: Kind of self-defeating by davester666 · · Score: 1

      Note, there will be complaints if you label it "gorilla".

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    16. Re:Kind of self-defeating by celsiusrising · · Score: 1

      These glasses seem kind of pointless in that from what the article says, they pretty much have to be that big in order to actually work - the earlier model by the same company was even bigger. With something like this, the goal should be to make them as surreptitious as possible so that the person wearing them doesn't stand out in a crowd and thus draw attention from whatever security organization is likely monitoring the cameras. $250 (at current exchange rates anyway) is also far too high of a price tag for a pair of what are basically glorified sunglasses.

      Now, if they looked like normal sunglasses (or better yet could be built into prescription glasses) and were under $100, I could see myself getting a pair of these if I planned to be in an area with heavy CCTV usage.

      I've always felt that tiny infrared emitters installed on the frames of glasses would do a fine job of overloading cameras.

  2. Pointless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If a human being can recognize someone with such visor on, it's only a matter of time before someone can translate this process into an algorithm.

    1. Re:Pointless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Besides, from TFA all it seems to be doing is stopping the face-recognition software from detecting a face. When wearing the sunglasses, the software used in the article does detect a face, but there is no mention of whether it can reliably determine whose face it is.

      Nothing to see there, move along

  3. They'll go wonderful with my new tin bonnet by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    Let's see them cover these.

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    1. Re:They'll go wonderful with my new tin bonnet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or these.

    2. Re:They'll go wonderful with my new tin bonnet by Thud457 · · Score: 1

      or these..

      warning : nightmare fuel.
      oh wait, I should have put the warning first.

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  4. Eeww by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Too big, too ugly, ain't nobody gonna wear those, ever.

  5. Re:30 thousand? I think I'll just sit back and rel by Michael+Woodhams · · Score: 2

    Thirty thousand yen - roughly $250-$300.

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  6. I'll give it a week by penguinoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Within the week, a new update will allow
    a) recognition of people wearing the "Privacy Visor"
    b) selling their name to people advertizing privacy products

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    1. Re:I'll give it a week by umafuckit · · Score: 1

      Or extracting their identity through other means, such as gait recognition.

  7. Good News Everybody! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Poll is back where it belongs! All Hail Slashdot!

  8. wait, what? by slashmydots · · Score: 2, Funny

    How about they just look for the one wearing the gigantic white freaky sunglasses? I'd say just wear a ski mask. It's slightly less conspicuous than those glasses.

    1. Re:wait, what? by Chikungunya · · Score: 1

      I like how in the article they say that the design is an improvement over the 2012 model, because they looked "dorky"

    2. Re:wait, what? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I don't even know where to begin... This is Japan, you know...

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  9. And as an added bonus by DrXym · · Score: 1

    The visor makes you look like a weirdo and complete psycho thus clearing a space around as people attempt to avoid proximity with you.

    1. Re:And as an added bonus by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      clearing a space around as people attempt to avoid proximity with you.

      Is that supposed to be a bad thing?

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    2. Re:And as an added bonus by DrXym · · Score: 1

      Depends if you want other people to treat you like a weirdo and a psycho.

    3. Re:And as an added bonus by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Depends if you want other people to treat you like a weirdo and a psycho.

      Enough of those people are weirdo's and psycho's.

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  10. Looks familiar by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    Is this is what the wearer sees?

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    1. Re:Looks familiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YES

  11. Re:30 thousand? I think I'll just sit back and rel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Still more expensive then a plain niqab

    And if that is not manly enough, you can wear shemagh over your face with sunglass.

  12. crap by Karmashock · · Score: 1

    I'd sooner walk around in a hockey mask while giggling.

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  13. Like All Defenses... by The+Raven · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... this will last only until the facial recognition algorithm is trained to ignore it. If it won't fool a human, it won't fool an algorithm for long. Better fixes are ones that exploit the weaknesses of the sensors rather than attacking the algorithm. The other example, cited right in TFA, uses a more effective long term strategy of hampering the sensors.

    Upgrading the algorithm? Cheap, and only needs to be done once. Upgrading every sensor to filter IR? Not impossible, but much more expensive and thus likely to be skipped by businesses.

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    1. Re:Like All Defenses... by Djoulihen · · Score: 2

      At least they'll get some customers : the companies working on face recognition algorithms will be probably buy a few glasses to populate their database and update their algorithms.

    2. Re:Like All Defenses... by o_ferguson · · Score: 1

      Just walk around with an osculating-frequency EMP burst generator.

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    3. Re:Like All Defenses... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Many security cameras do have an IR filter. Without an IR filter colors during daylight look really strange. An example: http://www.smashingmagazine.com/images/infrared-photography/fish.jpg Your cell phone camera has one too. In bulk this filter costs 0.2-0.5$.

      Some more high end camera's use a switchable ir cut. If the scene is bright the IR filter is inserted and a good color picture is presented. If it is too dark the camera switches the IR filter out of the optical path and delivers a acceptable black and white image.

      Many cameras also have highlight blanking. Otherwise your camera will be blind when car headlines shine toward it.

    4. Re:Like All Defenses... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In a small experiment using OpenCV face-detection software and 10 subjects, the detection rate decreased to zero regardless of distance when the Privacy Visor was used.

      The default face detection algorithm in OpenCV isn't that good. Better algorithms use everything, including movement, to guess where a face should be then grab the needed features from that area while filling in any gaps. Most of the IR light can be filtered out too. Not on the super cheap cameras, but those are already too poor to get a good identification from a single image (Super Resolution can help a lot. The 'enhance' feature in movies does exist and works, just not to the crazy level they take it.)

      However since a store can back link all the images of you once they get your info at the checkout, fooling cameras isn't that useful.

    5. Re:Like All Defenses... by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      I betting that someone like Google could just keep telling their face recog expert system "no, that IS a human, look again." Have some people wear these glasses, then not wear them, same lighting etc...eventually the expert system itself will figure out how to work around it.

  14. or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    or you could just wear a bag over your head

    1. Re:or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you'd be identified as a "crazy guy with a bag in his head".

    2. Re: or... by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

      "It's the Unknown Comic!"

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  15. Just Wear a Cheap Burka by BoRegardless · · Score: 3, Funny

    Given the weak, wimpy politically correct crowd, they'll be legal to wear in the near future.

    1. Re:Just Wear a Cheap Burka by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Paper bags are cheaper.

    2. Re:Just Wear a Cheap Burka by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Burqas are for women, men should wear ninja masks.

    3. Re:Just Wear a Cheap Burka by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't speak, how will they know you are a man?

  16. I thought what I'd do was... by o_ferguson · · Score: 2

    ...I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes.

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    1. Re:I thought what I'd do was... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good one, good one. d:D

    2. Re:I thought what I'd do was... by BoRegardless · · Score: 1

      Shrink wrap clear plastic on your face ought to do it even better and not be so recognizable sort of.

  17. Or just grow a bushy beard. by Viol8 · · Score: 0

    Completely screws most imgane recognition and plenty of humans too for a while. Look how long Karadzic managed to hide in plain sight just by having one.

    Ok, this plan won't work for women (unless they're greek) but for us guys - seems like a winner!

  18. infrared by ihtoit · · Score: 1

    electronic photosensors are vulnerable to IR, which can temporarily or permanently blind the camera depending on wavelength and intensity and the quality of the filters used in the camera. IRLEDs can be small enough to mount on the cloth surface of a baseball cap and powered with button cells charged by solar cells which seat to form. The hardware can be had for change out of five Dollars. Baseball caps aren't illegal (yet), and obfuscating your features for electronic identification is a protected right (unless you can show me the law which dictates otherwise - I am aware of none in the UK or the US which abrogates the right to roam free from unlawful interference). The big plus is that you can wear the emitter all day long and nobody can say anything because it's practically invisible. They'd have to know what they're looking for and they'd have to show you the law which says you can't put an invisible radiator in a hat.

    BTW, I wear a fedora when I go out, whether it has radiators in it I will not confirm or deny, and the only time I have ever been asked to remove it was when I was entering the Palace at Westminster and I told the Rentacop in no uncertain terms that the cover was staying on until I was in the office of the Minister I was there to see. The hat stayed on.

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    1. Re:infrared by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I wear a fedora when I go out

      Yes, we'd guessed that.

    2. Re:infrared by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      hey, it's better than the fez.

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  19. Nothing new by Chrisq · · Score: 1

    The terrorists have been doing this for ages

  20. Re:Just Wear a Cheap Burqa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wake up BoRegardless! Burqa's are already banned in may countries because cameras cant identify you etc.
    For more, see http://www.news.com.au/national/burqa-bans-already-in-place-in-many-countries/story-fncynjr2-1227078762996

  21. Fencing mask by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think a fencing mask is cheaper and it will keep the rubber bullets out to boot.

  22. Chindogu by src1138 · · Score: 2

    It appears to reflect overhead light by virtue of being white and slightly angled - wow, science. I guess albinos won't be too concerned about this technology.

    "A 2012 version, powered by a lithium-ion battery, included LED lights around the nose that shined near-infrared light toward cameras. Computer-vision systems were also fooled by the bright light, but the visor looked dorky and required a bulky power source."

    So the new one is the same, just no leds or power source. Dorkiness has been maintained...

    All this so the cameras don't think you have a face. They still record you, and can tell you are a person by the way you move. And since you will be the only douchedork wearing these around, you should be easy to find.

    1. Re:Chindogu by Skapare · · Score: 1

      in other words wearing these makes it easier for them to track you around.

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    2. Re:Chindogu by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      Especially as you can be identified by your gait easily enough... it turns out that humans strive to be individually identifiable in pretty much every way possible, even if we aren't consciously intending to be.

    3. Re: Chindogu by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

      Gait recognition is easy to fool - just change your gait. A small stone in one shoe will do it, as will throwing a couple extra insoles in one shoe to make one leg longer. Also, both balance and gait vary between a pair of flats and stilettos.

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    4. Re:Chindogu by pla · · Score: 3, Insightful

      All this so the cameras don't think you have a face. They still record you, and can tell you are a person by the way you move. And since you will be the only douchedork wearing these around, you should be easy to find.

      I only have a small objection to simply having a fixed length history security camera record me for the off chance that a robbery happens during its two week storage window.

      I have a huge objection to having a network of near-100% coverage cameras actually identifying me and logging my every movement while out in public. I don't care whether Madison Avenue or the NSA does it, I strongly object to both.

      So yes, wearing giant bug-glasses, or a Jedi robe, or an IR LED tiara, or any other obvious means of concealing my face would stand out like a sore thumb to a human reviewing the footage; if it keeps the camera from automatically checking me in and out of some Big Brother sponsored version of FourSquare, however, I'd call that a drastic improvement vs an increasingly obvious future state of zero privacy.

    5. Re:Chindogu by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I Dorkiness has been maintained...

      All this so the cameras don't think you have a face. They still record you, and can tell you are a person by the way you move. And since you will be the only douchedork wearing these around, you should be easy to find.

      It's odd, but even on the glasses I wear now, it would be fairly trivial to install a couple IR chip led's to the edge of the frame, and run a wire to each, and a ground via the metal frames, lead the wires out the back, run to a battery and there ya go. The dorkiest thing about that is that it will look like one of the chains/tethers that some folks wear who have to remove ant put on their glasses a lot. Which I'm not even certain is dorkish anyhow.

      It would just look like........ glasses.

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    6. Re: Chindogu by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I am a bit too hairy to be able to pull off the stilettos. I think that would attract more undue attention than just maybe some makeup, changing my facial hair, and changing my glasses. That *might* get me past any facial recognition software. I am sort of difficult for them to recognize as I am actually close to what NatGeo has decided the average male will be in a few generations.

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    7. Re:Chindogu by lars_stefan_axelsson · · Score: 1

      So yes, wearing giant bug-glasses, or a Jedi robe, or an IR LED tiara, or any other obvious means of concealing my face would stand out like a sore thumb to a human reviewing the footage; if it keeps the camera from automatically checking me in and out of some Big Brother sponsored version of FourSquare, however, I'd call that a drastic improvement vs an increasingly obvious future state of zero privacy.

      That is a very good point that is too often ignored. Manual processing hurts. It's hurts so badly that it moves the idea from "let's do that" into "can't be done" territory ninety nine times out of a hundred. The differences in cost between being able to do something automatically with computers and having to do it manually, whether that is watching a security camera, or summing the general ledger, is often several orders of magnitude.

      If we can force big brother, or any of his smaller siblings, to do his data processing by hand, then we've quite frankly won... It's not the availability, or not, of the sensitive data in the abstract sense that's the problem. It's the ability to do something with that data cheaply and efficiently that's the deciding factor. Data on an index card in a filing cabinet somewhere is a much, much smaller risk than the same data in an indexed database that's connected to all the other databases in the land, and plenty of computer power to process it.

      The index-card scenario takes evil on a Hitler or Stalin scale to turn into a dystopia, but with computers, even a good intention (remember what the road to hell is paved with) is/should be enough to make everybody scramble for the exits. Computers make the situation that much more dangerous.

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    8. Re:Chindogu by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      That earlier version sounds much more manageable. I'm a spectacle wearer, so I'm not bothered by having glasses on. If the LEDs illustrated were actually Near-IR LEDs (instead of the violet-emitting ones shown) then I could imagine this working reasonably.

      I see enough people walking around with filthy great headphones on that I don't see the power supply being that much of a problem.

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  23. IR LEDs did it better years ago by The+Rizz · · Score: 2

    You could always just stick a couple of bright IR LEDs on normal glasses or a hat and achieve the same or better effect. They have the added bonus of having their existence be invisible to the naked eye, so nobody in person knows you're even messing with the CCTVs. Even more importantly, you don't have to wear some bizarre oversize glasses that would look out of place anywhere except a scifi convention.

    1. Re:IR LEDs did it better years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, those don't work if you're being targeted. You can play with the color levels on the recording and 'see' behind the IR whiteout. There's a research paper showing it done but I don't remember the name of the paper. Anyway, if I wrote security software I'd flag extra bright spots. Using IR makes you stand out to the camera.

    2. Re:IR LEDs did it better years ago by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      TFA mentions this, and mentions the fact that LEDs require power...so you'll need some type of attached battery pack too. You could probably rig up some LR44's to run a couple LEDs, since those are at least rechargeable. But still need batteries.

    3. Re:IR LEDs did it better years ago by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      No, those don't work if you're being targeted. You can play with the color levels on the recording and 'see' behind the IR whiteout.

      Don't they have cameras with multi-zone AGC now that can just do this automatically anyway? Obviously if they do that's not what they call it, because I google'd

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    4. Re:IR LEDs did it better years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would expect it to heavily depend upon the particular camera. I've used several off-the-shelf cameras for monitoring some work related to IR lasers (not the beam itself, but diffuse reflections off polished surfaces, which are often a lot dimmer than the IR led in things like remotes). Some cameras only bleed IR into mostly one color channel, but most seem to bleed IR into all of the channels. Some will saturate much easier than others, and if all three channels saturate, you're not going to get much useful information there. Some will also have issues with comet tails and IR bleeding into other pixels a lot easier than visible light.

      If using IR leds became common, people would just invest in better IR filters on their cameras. But just like how most security cameras barely have enough resolution to actually identify people because someone was being cheap, a lot of cameras will still struggle with IR light sources.

    5. Re:IR LEDs did it better years ago by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      sigh. things like that are to foil the casual surveillance, and data aggregation.. obviously if a law enforcement agency or something similar is targeting you, it's already too late. In other words, if they want to surveil you, they will.

    6. Re:IR LEDs did it better years ago by The+Rizz · · Score: 1

      TFA mentions this, and mentions the fact that LEDs require power...so you'll need some type of attached battery pack too. You could probably rig up some LR44's to run a couple LEDs, since those are at least rechargeable. But still need batteries.

      LEDs can run off of watch batteries. You can easily fit the entirety of such in a DIY hat, and professionally made glasses could be made to fit the batteries in the frames.

    7. Re:IR LEDs did it better years ago by The+Rizz · · Score: 1

      No, those don't work if you're being targeted. You can play with the color levels on the recording and 'see' behind the IR whiteout

      Sure, and you can say "enhance" at a computer to turn a grainy photo into a HD quality one. No amount of computer magic can overcome the limitations of the recording device itself, and superbright IR/UV LEDs completely saturate the pixels on a camera. You can't "play with the color levels" if they all think they're at 100% - you need to have a different camera instead.

      Besides, if you're being targeted, they'll have actual eyes on you anyway, or already know who you are. The only use the glasses / LEDs have are to stop passive persistent facial recognition. If anyone actually watches that video, they can and will have no problem tracking your movements. The point is they can't just drop a frame of you into a search and find out who you are and everywhere you've been.

    8. Re:IR LEDs did it better years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyway, if I wrote security software I'd flag extra bright spots. Using IR makes you stand out to the camera.

      1 in 1000 will stand out.
      1 in 10 will be just average "subject". it is matter of "market saturation". new programs may get over this but it is eternal race between sword and shield. Victory is temporal only.

    9. Re:IR LEDs did it better years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      use battery and moving magnet & coil. Faraday rules. What? you never seen kids blinking shoes ?

    10. Re:IR LEDs did it better years ago by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

      "LEDs can run off of watch batteries"

      But not for very long.

    11. Re:IR LEDs did it better years ago by The+Rizz · · Score: 1

      "LEDs can run off of watch batteries"

      But not for very long.

      However, they can run for days on one. Make that a rechargeable battery and it's not an issue.

  24. Re:30 thousand? I think I'll just sit back and rel by Skapare · · Score: 1

    the price will go down fast as soon as China start making them.

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  25. Burkas as future privacy fashion? by ad454 · · Score: 0

    I hope that I am not forced to wear a burka just to keep some small amount of personal privacy, once big data is able to tap into nearly every single survailence camera, and use face recognition to automatically track everything I do, even with my mobile phone at home or turned off.

    Western society is be becoming more and more Orwellian.

    In the old days, people would fight and die for freedom and liberties. But now societies are willing to sacrifice these to prevent one person from being harmed from terrorists even though the odds are insignigant compared to other threats we accept such as traffic accidents, or having one child from being molisted even though this is nearly always done by someone close or known to the child.

    1. Re:Burkas as future privacy fashion? by careysub · · Score: 1

      In the old days, people would fight and die for freedom and liberties. But now societies are willing to sacrifice these to prevent one person from being harmed from terrorists even though the odds are insignigant compared to other threats we accept such as traffic accidents...

      People are still willing to fight and die for freedom and liberties, once they are alerted and organized to the threat. The reason societies seem willing to surrender freedom and liberty is due to a combination of stealth, deception and hard-sell from the top ("you're either with us or with the terrorists", and " Because 9-11!" as the answer to all questions and criticisms).

      This didn't even start with terrorism. First it was the "Reds!", though this got some push-back in the 1970s. But just in time to provide a new excuse for the surveillance society (but government and commercial surveillance) there was "Drugs!". And now it is "Terrorists!". The common thread is that all of these "reasons" for mass surveillance give more power to those who already wield it. What powerful person is not in favor of getting ever more?

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  26. Mirrored aviators by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Maybe if the started with a pair of mirrored aviators and paired that with an Near IR LED at the outer edges they could come up with something that wouldn't look so strange.

  27. Simpler solution from baseball fields. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2

    Simply wear your baseball cap front side back. It has fooled thousands of batters into thinking the fielder is looking oneway while the fielder was in fact looking the otherway. Computer vision recognition systems would be stumped by a face with no eyes, no mouth, no nose but lots of hair! I am a genius. Where do I collect my brownie points?

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  28. Aviator Mirror by havana9 · · Score: 1

    Wearing a pair of Rayban Aviator Mirror sunglasses is way cooler and reflects a lot of light too.

  29. Re:30 thousand? I think I'll just sit back and rel by Forgefather · · Score: 1

    Just think how much tin foil you could buy for that money. You could have a different hat for each day of the year.

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    "There are lies, there are damn lies, and there are statistics"
  30. what difference does it make by bkr1_2k · · Score: 1

    The only place where "facial recognition cameras" are common are places where you are requested to remove sunglasses, hats, etc anyway. The "let's enhance it and run it through the facial recognition software" seen on tv is utter crap. Until people start using higher resolution "security" cameras this will just be an expensive and stupid looking gimmick that will, as others have said, be easily overcome with a few software tweaks. Why are people worried about this?

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  31. Re:30 thousand? I think I'll just sit back and rel by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

    About 40 years ago, the joke would have been "the price will go down fast as soon as Japan starts making them." Fast-forward to 2015 and the product is from Japan.

    I wonder what the joke will be in the next 10~20 years. Maybe "the price will go down fast as soon as Africa starts making them."

  32. Sounds like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    gevulot in Quantum Thief

  33. Glad they got the kinks worked out ... by SoloTSi97 · · Score: 1

    "A 2012 version, powered by a lithium-ion battery, included LED lights around the nose that shined near-infrared light toward cameras. Computer-vision systems were also fooled by the bright light, but the visor looked dorky and required a bulky power source."

    Yup, not dorky looking. Check.

  34. Already seen this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was in a movie on Netflix a couple of years ago.

  35. Re:30 thousand? I think I'll just sit back and rel by GargamelSpaceman · · Score: 1
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  36. "Order your face recognition-stopping privacy visor online! Now with optional custom artwork printed on the front! Have a family photo, or child's artwork custom-printed for just $19.95 additional. Get yours today!"

    Or

    "Ok, here comes unknown #2, 'mustard stain lower left side' ."

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  37. we're all scott/tiger now! by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    My voice^Wface is my passport. Verify Me.
    We're all scott/tiger now! except Nicolas Cage or John Travolta.

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    the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

  38. Privacy Visor = by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a Ball cap.

  39. Tom Corbett Lives! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  40. Re:30 thousand? I think I'll just sit back and rel by IMightB · · Score: 1

    30-40 years after that, it willl be the price will go down once the US starts making them...

  41. Re:30 thousand? I think I'll just sit back and rel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Couldnt I just make a similiar thing out of tinfoil? Tinfoil reflects nicely. Attach it to some cheap sunglass frame and poke pinholes in it with a small sewing needle.

  42. Re:30 thousand? I think I'll just sit back and rel by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 2

    The United States of America will still exist in 30-40 years?

    Did you perhaps mean instead the New Confederate States of America? The Republic of Texas? The Free Republic of Idaho? Mexarkana? Absaroka? The Jefferson Freehold? New Deseret? The Republic of Sequoyah?

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  43. Re:30 thousand? I think I'll just sit back and rel by David_Hart · · Score: 1

    The United States of America will still exist in 30-40 years?

    Did you perhaps mean instead the New Confederate States of America? The Republic of Texas? The Free Republic of Idaho? Mexarkana? Absaroka? The Jefferson Freehold? New Deseret? The Republic of Sequoyah?

    Nope... Canada... Canada will be the richest country in the world due to it's fresh water reserves and will buy up the US for pennies on the Loonie... (grin)

  44. Shortly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    only the criminals will own visors! (or hats or scrves or really outsize sun glasses!)

  45. How it *really* works by TurboStar · · Score: 1

    Here's how it works... No self-respecting algorithm is ever going to admit recognizing someone wearing glasses like those.

  46. Re:30 thousand? I think I'll just sit back and rel by doccus · · Score: 1

    and let windows 10 rape me, west texas style.

    A Yen is a penny, and a penny is a yen.. If ya plan on spending any, ya better know it then...

  47. Nowhere close to the end, yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Facial recognition software is just the start, and the real nailer is what they're working on, now, in secret labs at (I think) Bell. That's *full body* recognition software. Doesn't matter if you gain or lose weight, it uses "MoRe" to track you (Motion Recognition) plus facial recog, and height and audio captures for voice quality and speech patterns and grammar, and if it's a full time tracker it can even keep a record of your keystrokes to see how many errors you make and which kind, and much much more (Why it's called "MORE" in all capitols MoRe is just a subset). This is run once for entry into a data base, and then , if, say, we need to ID an agent from a video, we can with 100% certainty ascertain if it is a duplicate, someone else entirely, or our own people. I have no doubt that unscrupulous governments would want to use this to control a population, but that's for society to fight. Once they're aware of it's existence.. So this.