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Don't Hate the Phone Call, Hate the Phone (And the Network)

Ever screamed at your phone, or wanted to, when it can't handle the basic job of linking you to another person by voice? antdude writes to say that The Atlantic has posted a long article titled "Don't Hate the Phone Call, Hate the Phone" about how our telephone habits have changed, but so have the infrastructure and design of the handset. A snippet: When you combine the seemingly haphazard reliability of a voice call with the sense of urgency or gravity that would recommend a phone call instead of a Slack DM or an email, the risk of failure amplifies the anxiety of unfamiliarity. Telephone calls now exude untrustworthiness from their very infrastructure. Going deeper than dropped connections, telephony suffered from audio-signal processing compromises long before cellular service came along, but the differences between mobile and landline phone usage amplifies those challenges, as well.

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  1. IP phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Our office uses IP phones and for inter-office calls they work great. However once you connect with someone out of the office or (god forbid!) host a conference call, it becomes a mess of awkward pauses, people talking over each other, and general telephone etiquette mayhem. They usually devolve into people making a point that they are done speaking so that the next person can, walkie-talkie style.

  2. Slack DM? by i_ate_god · · Score: 1

    What fiendish method of communication is a Slack DM?

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    1. Re:Slack DM? by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Funny

      A lazy dungeon master?

      Other than that ... no idea.

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    2. Re:Slack DM? by Calydor · · Score: 1

      I was wondering the same thing. My best guess is 'relaxed direct message', eg. an SMS or something like that. Never heard that term before, made me wonder if it's something the company this guy works for produces.

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    3. Re:Slack DM? by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      An advertisement for a site I'm not going even to bother linking here, because I hate the advertisement.

    4. Re:Slack DM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty sure they were referring to this: https://slack.com/

    5. Re:Slack DM? by Comboman · · Score: 2

      Slack is a currently-trendy, corporate messaging/notification/collaboration system. DMs would be the Direct Messaging (person-to-person) subset of that.

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    6. Re:Slack DM? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If I need to contact someone, I might send a text. I might send an email. Occasionally I might even make a phone call. But what I'll NEVER do is use some silly unknown system like the one listed in this Slashvertisement just because some venture capitalist felt like bankrolling some late-comer to the messaging game.

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    7. Re:Slack DM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but this one has prettier pictures than Pidgin. It must be cooler.

    8. Re:Slack DM? by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

      A lazy dungeon master?

      Other than that ... no idea.

      Hey, It's me! I just wanted to tell you
      (sound of dice rolling)
      umm... absolutely nothing... crap...

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    9. Re:Slack DM? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Well that's Just WIZ!

      Cant wait for more NERPS updates from SlackDM!

      People really need to start beating marketing types with sacks of doorknobs.

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    10. Re:Slack DM? by Rob+Riggs · · Score: 2

      Exactly. If you read "technology A sucks compared to technology B (popular/generic) and technology C (which no one has heard of), you can bet that this is solely a marketing tool for technology C. This is a slashvertisement, plain and simple.

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    11. Re:Slack DM? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      By implication from TFS, it's a telephone for people who don't have a telephone.

      What fiendish device they have for people who don't know how to use a telephone (e.g. my mother) or who don't want one (e.g. my hill-walking buddy, Tom), I don't know.

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  3. blame the caller. by nimbius · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As a millenial, phonecalls never made sense to me. Unless I actively want to hear your voice (my parents for example) then i have an infinite and vastly superior cadre of resources with which to communicate. Another supreme irritation is when I email a person, but they call me back. maintain parity and answer the email. Accosting me for details just means im going to keep pointing you to the email.

    But phones? no. Voicemail hell no. my voicemail is a tire fire of unanswered phonecalls from recruiters, cold callers, advertisers, sales droids, scammers, you name it. Bell make sure my generation never, ever wanted to use the telephone when they turned a blind eye to the fact that it was becoming a haven for garbage calls. comcast and company also turned me off to phones by reminding me how much i absolutely hate hanging on the line, waiting endlessly for some ESL speaker to fumble through my question or "escalate" me to another call center.

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    1. Re:blame the caller. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Better option than that rant: use the right tool for the job!

      Single quick question? text it.

      Long data dump? email it.

      Sequence of questions that will probably need additional clarification? call.

      Need to REALLY get across the level of rage you feel at [worthless local monopoly ISP]? call, explain to the helpless impotent call center slave that your gripe is with someone else (in that fun tone of "if you slow me down at all, you'll be getting a shouting also"), let the bad call waiting music choice fuel your anger, get to someone with at least a shred of influence, unleash your hatred, MAKE THEM FEAR YOU!

    2. Re:blame the caller. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that the infinite cadre of superior resources is not generally universal amongst any group of communicators.

    3. Re:blame the caller. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Generation Jones (aka., later boomer). Phone is for immediate response. Everything else, as far as I'm concerned, is asynchronous communication. That is, I'm not answering right away or until I want. Unfortunately, text messaging is consider an acceptable way to interrupt my day and, in most people's minds, requires an immediate response.

      Text messaging is plain stupid and I've never understood the appeal. It's this false sense that humans can multi-task that makes texting acceptable as a subtask while doing other things. The only thing that texting used to save was the pleasantries associated with a call (Hello, how are you, now about...). But now half of my text messages start with "Hi."

    4. Re:blame the caller. by DarkOx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As someone who is just a little older than you mellenials, I can't understand why you don't like the phone. Actually I can't even understand why you don't like voice mail.

      You mention your parents and wanting to hear their voice, you don't like to hear the voice of your friends too? I happen to like to be reminded that my friends and co-workers are real personal contacts that I have and different then people I interact with exclusively via text, like other slashdot users.

      A lot gets said in a voice mail that won't be said in an e-mail. People are generally not good actors. I can get a lot extra information from a voice mail about how someone 'feels' about the subject that they many times would not write. I can also convey a lot of information like 'don't push this issue with boss, I'll fight you on this' that I would not want to commit to writing but will state thru tone, rate of speech, pronoun selection etc in voice mail or on a call. If your interaction with voice mail is through some terrible TUI I get that, but if you have visual voice mail or get it delivered to e-mail as sound clips, what is not to like? Combine that with options truly good voice mail systems have like speech-to-text so you can optionally read your voice mails for those situations where you can't listen them its even better.

             

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    5. Re:blame the caller. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you, that's exactly what I was thinking, and far more insightful than the parent post.

      Except for the last paragraph. ;)

    6. Re:blame the caller. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As someone who is just a little older than you mellenials, I can't understand why you don't like the phone. Actually I can't even understand why you don't like voice mail.

      I've always hated voice mail because of peoples tendencies to leave crap messages. So not only do I need to go through the extra steps going through voice prompts and entering passcodes but also needing to listen to the same message multiple times to figure out what they were asking in the first place or just to get the callback number that they rattled off too fast only once or mumbled through. Also just as bad as "call me back" without giving me a reason WHY you need to talk to me, if you don't give me a reason to treat you more urgently than others then you're going to the bottom of the list.

    7. Re:blame the caller. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not sure if I'm a "millennial" or not (born in 1980, which seems to be the cut-off, but nobody ever agrees what side of that cut-off it's on). But the fact is, I hate voicemail. Voicemail is an abomination. The sooner it dies a horrible, fiery death, the better.

      I don't like to hear anyone's voice over the phone. It's tinny and muffled at the same time, making it hard to understand. I already know that people are real. I don't need to constantly keep in contact with their "realness". Text is just fine.

      Nothing is useful about voicemail. People don't give you any information, so no nuance comes through. None of what you describe actually happens in a real voicemail. And those non-terrible ways of getting voicemail? Yeah, those cost extra. For something I already don't give a flying rat's ass about. Not happening.

      tl;dr: FOADIAF, voicemail.

    8. Re:blame the caller. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really?
          Your one way communications of text are so clear & unquestionable that your recipient never need to ask you a quick question? Sometimes phone calls are actually faster (since you seem to be so efficient minded). Honor other people too, it's not your way or the highway. That being said, yeah texting/email a grocery list... perfect.

    9. Re:blame the caller. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right. I'm semi-shopping for a new job, but I work in a cube farm and don't want my co-workers to notice my communications. Why, oh why must headhunters phone me? I'll have to take notes anyway - just send me an email, and I'll respond. Landline at home? Yes - but never answered - always goes to voicemail. In terms of COMMUNICATION though, the best experience is face-to-face (visible body language), the second best is voice (inflection, tone, etc.), next is email (writing), then text.

    10. Re:blame the caller. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't count the number of times people don't get my text messages or emails. Telephone calls are necessary when the information has to be communicated now, and in a way that you have absolute knowledge that they received the information now. In my experience people who hate telephone calls are the flakes who never answer email or texts and then when the shit hits the fan they claim they never got it. When you show them a proof of delivery they say it got buried or went to their spam folder. I call those people every time I need to communicate with them so they can't deny receiving the information.

      I don't know if you're that guy or not, but if you really hate phone calls it might be helpful to engage in some introspection to evaluate what role you may play in receiving phone calls.

    11. Re:blame the caller. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      As a millenial, phonecalls never made sense to me. Unless I actively want to hear your voice (my parents for example) then i have an infinite and vastly superior cadre of resources with which to communicate.

      it's true that many interactions are best kept to a text medium but the tone and volume of your voice is just as informative as what you are saying. i'm not saying it's more effective at resolving issues, i'm saying it's better for expressing your emotions.

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    12. Re:blame the caller. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Sequence of questions that will probably need additional clarification? call.

      Negative. That's what chat or series of 1-line emails are for. You can't refer back to a call when you're working on that project later, mistakes will be made, and it will turn into a stupid finger-pointing match that eats up far more time than you saved using voice instead of text.

    13. Re:blame the caller. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is the right way to say "I hate you and never want your business again but I'm going to be civil and friendly because otherwise you'll turn off other contacts" through email or text message?

      Just wondering, because on the phone, the right tone of voice really tells the customer to GTFO without providing the ammunition necessary to sink the company.

    14. Re:blame the caller. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As someone on the brink (I'm either a millenial or not depending on what dipshit armchair sociologist is spewing the buzzword)...

      Voicemail, I get. It's bullshit. If you call me and I don't answer, I'll call back. Without listening to your voicemail. Because I'm going to call you back. Doing voicemail would be a waste of time for everyone involved.

      Everything else? I've dealt with far too many fun happy "But, but, technology!" millenials who simply don't bother responding via text, IM, e-mail, whatever in a timely fashion. Or who are completely inarticulate over anything but a phone-based medium.

      I swear I'm becoming an old man, because I look at younger people and all I see is quick text-bites, half the time in the form of some stupid meme, rather than actual communication. And I don't like it. Get the fuck off my lawn and use your words.

    15. Re:blame the caller. by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As a parent of a millennial, I force phone conversations.

      Because Texting is utterly useless when all I get is..

      Out of monE cn U snd me som
      LOL

      Yeah, dad is not sending crap until the phone rings.

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    16. Re:blame the caller. by bigdavex · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A lot gets said in a voice mail that won't be said in an e-mail. People are generally not good actors. I can get a lot extra information from a voice mail about how someone 'feels' about the subject that they many times would not write. I can also convey a lot of information like 'don't push this issue with boss, I'll fight you on this' that I would not want to commit to writing but will state thru tone, rate of speech, pronoun selection etc in voice mail or on a call.

      Conversely, one of the merits of email is that people can't do that - convey something and then deny it.

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    17. Re:blame the caller. by Drethon · · Score: 1

      Sequence of questions that will probably need additional clarification? call.

      Negative. That's what chat or series of 1-line emails are for. You can't refer back to a call when you're working on that project later, mistakes will be made, and it will turn into a stupid finger-pointing match that eats up far more time than you saved using voice instead of text.

      I've found with technical discussions that a bunch of chats often take too long to convey the same information. Phone calls just work better, going to said person's desk and looking at the same thing on the monitor is even better.

    18. Re:blame the caller. by Drethon · · Score: 1

      For me a voice mail tends to be slow. The same thing said in a normal conversation always seems to go faster. Plus if it is important enough to be stored, store it in a method that is easier to edit or forward.

      Some messages are better in voicemail but where I would use voicemail is usually technical discussions where we want documentation. Usually better not to have a lot of emotion fed through that.

    19. Re:blame the caller. by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2

      Another supreme irritation is when I email a person, but they call me back.

      • You: [email] Hey Dad! How's Mom?
      • Dad: [email] She died last night.

      Ya, That would be sooo much better than a phone call.

      Accosting me for details just means im going to keep pointing you to the email.

      So, you equate someone wanting to talk with you with "accosting"? (Which, of course, they could also do via email.)

      I get it. Your/my time is important, but don't be one of those self-centered/important hipster douches that thinks the world does or should revolve around him/her. The world need more civility, not less. Now, to state the obvious: As for unwanted calls, register your number with Do Not Call. Not perfect, but I get almost zero cold calls on both my home/land line and cell phone. For the few I do get, if it's a person I tell them I'm not and won't be interested and ask them to remove my from their list -- and they almost always. Obviously, robo-calls get hung up on.

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    20. Re:blame the caller. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny how my grandpa fucking loves texting, skype, email while my mother refuses to even learn how to type.

      One generation had to live through the depression and a world war, the other got everything they wanted. Guess which one turned out more resourceful.

    21. Re:blame the caller. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a campaign going on exactly for people with your attitude:
      http://holdnomore.org/

    22. Re:blame the caller. by j2.718ff · · Score: 2

      As someone who is just a little older than you mellenials, I can't understand why you don't like the phone. Actually I can't even understand why you don't like voice mail.

      I'm probably your age, and I never use voicemails anymore. (Back when I had a landline, owning an answering machine made sense, but we have better options now.) It really comes down to the interface. I can quickly and easily read text messages. Listening to voicemail takes a bit of effort - I need to be in an environment where it's convenient to call, where there aren't too many background noises, etc. And if it includes information like an address, or something else that I'd write down, I have to find a pen and paper, and run the risk of writing something wrong.

      If I call a friend, and they don't answer, I won't leave a voicemail. They know that I called, and if they feel like it, they'll call me back. If I had something important to say, I'll send them a text.

      My friends behave the same as I do. My parents are the only people who ever leave me voicemails, and their messages generally boil down to "call us back". So I'll generally call them back, and then delete the message without listening to it. (If for some reason, I can't call them, I will listen to the message, just in case it contained something important.)

    23. Re:blame the caller. by j2.718ff · · Score: 1

      In my experience people who hate telephone calls are the flakes who never answer email or texts and then when the shit hits the fan they claim they never got it.

      I hate telephone calls, but not because I want to flake out on things. Perhaps it's social anxiety, but I don't like being thrown into conversation with no warning. At least today, I can tell who's calling me before I answer (I can never identify people by their voice, so the days before caller ID were horrible for me). If you send me a text or e-mail, I can give my response more thought than I could on a live call. But I will respond, and usually do so very quickly.

      I guess from my point of view, calling me feels similar to you showing up at my door unannounced. I can handle it, and it might even be a good time. But I'd really prefer if you gave me some warning first.

    24. Re:blame the caller. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It might be them, or it might be you. Sometimes you have to call someone back because their question shows they are just plain confused. This means it's impossible to answer the question simply, you're in for a series of time wasting exchanges, and calling them back is a way to nip that in the bud.

    25. Re:blame the caller. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't refer back to a call

      You can always summarize the result of the call in an email. A series of 1-line emails/chats are difficult to wade through. The summary wraps things up and makes sure you're both on the same page.

    26. Re:blame the caller. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're parents are the only people you're comfortable having a phone conversation with? Where in the autism spectrum do you fall?

    27. Re:blame the caller. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like how this guy refers to us on the cusp as the "Oregon Trail generation."

      http://socialmediaweek.org/blog/2015/04/oregon-trail-generation/

      Grew up WITH the tech, rather than before of after it.

    28. Re: blame the caller. by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      So long as you can compel your correspondents to use the method you prefer, all is well.

      When you have to accommodate them, as you will some day, you will learn it you can express your outrage, or will have to suppress it.

      At work I try to accommodate the Millennials that cling to their chat/IM tool, knowing they were actually expecting me to accept their inadequate response to a question they don't care to figure out the correct, proper answer to, despite their inexperience with the systems involved. I know they will either 'get it', change roles, or leave the best company they could possibly work for in favor of one less demanding. This is not, BTW, a process exclusive to Millennials.

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    29. Re:blame the caller. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      unleash your hatred, MAKE THEM FEAR YOU!

      Use the POWER of the DARK SIDE!!!!

    30. Re:blame the caller. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, fuck you mom, stop calling me!

    31. Re:blame the caller. by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      Sequence of questions that will probably need additional clarification? call.

      Negative. That's what chat or series of 1-line emails are for. You can't refer back to a call when you're working on that project later, mistakes will be made, and it will turn into a stupid finger-pointing match that eats up far more time than you saved using voice instead of text.

      I've found with technical discussions that a bunch of chats often take too long to convey the same information. Phone calls just work better, going to said person's desk and looking at the same thing on the monitor is even better.

      I hate chats. It takes hours of back and forth that a minute or two on a call or face to face would have resolved.
      People hit you up on IM expecting you to drop everything and pay attention to them. It is too disruptive in a back and forth conversation. Even though it is still disruptive to have a phone call, at least you aren't disrupted and having to switch focus 50 times over the course of hours.

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    32. Re:blame the caller. by tompaulco · · Score: 2

      Voicemail, I get. It's bullshit. If you call me and I don't answer, I'll call back. Without listening to your voicemail. Because I'm going to call you back. Doing voicemail would be a waste of time for everyone involved.

      On the other hand, if I get a call from someone and they don't leave a message, then I assume it was a wrong number or was not important. If it was important, they would have left a message. Somebody called me at 5:43 this morning and I didn't hear it because I was getting ready for work. They didn't leave a message, so they aren't getting called back.
      I don't understand the fascination with people wanting to call back every single person who calls your phone, whether you know them or not, whether it was a wrong number or a scammer or was one of the 100% of commercial callers who ignore the Do Not Call registry. Same deal with text messages. I am not going to respond to a text message from someone I don't recognize. It could be an online predator, an identity thief, someone phishing for valid contacts. I guess I am not as desperate to be interacted with as other people.

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    33. Re:blame the caller. by tompaulco · · Score: 2

      As for unwanted calls, register your number with Do Not Call. Not perfect, but I get almost zero cold calls on both my home/land line and cell phone.

      Yeah, not perfect. I still get 6 or 7 calls a day. Almost none of them leave messages, but I can tell from the caller ID that they are a commercial outfit that is illegally calling me. I should not have to talk to them and tell them that I am on the DNC list. That is THEIR responsibility. I have been on the list since about the first or second week that the registry was available. They should be required to pay a fine for the FIRST offense, and part of that money should go to me for having to do their job for them.

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    34. Re:blame the caller. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being a millennial has nothing to do with your date of birth, but rather your character. Are you a wrongfully entitled, misguided elitist narcissistic? If you answered yes, then you're a millennial.

    35. Re:blame the caller. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Warning? That's what the ringing is. Unless it is a work phone, do not be a slave to your phone. Then, if it is a work phone, turn it off when not at work. I do not even use voicemail. I do not listen to nor leave any. You have Caller ID so you can see I called. If need be, I will call you back. I may not even call you back. You'll be okay.

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    36. Re:blame the caller. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Did my ex-wife convince you that a pair of reasonably good looking children (one of each gender) belong to you? Or did my kids con you into thinking that you were their father? The daughter does not have this problem but the boy child will make more work trying to get out of work than he would have done had he just done the work. He might be improving.

      Sound about right? Yeah, if so... Tell them bastards to call. Emailing is not contacting. I do not ask for much but I do pay a bunch. I am a dog, there must be a reward or I will shit the eaten newspaper on the floor.

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    37. Re:blame the caller. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Come quick, your mother is going to die!
      Sorry Dad. I am a doctor but not a medical doctor.

      Oddly, I say this but I was actually there the night my mother passed. I was the one to attempt CPR (I am not really sure why but who was I to argue? She was quite obviously dead.) and everything. My grief would have been the same, I think, had I not been there as quickly. There was fuck-all I could do about it and, given the amount of pain she was in, fuck-all to really grieve about that is not entirely selfish. Not that I did not grieve - I still do at times, but this is one of those times where being dead is better than being alive given the massive amounts of pain she was in.

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    38. Re:blame the caller. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Out of monE cn U snd me som

      LOL

      Since when do people actually write like that?

    39. Re:blame the caller. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Given the quality of their post, one can imagine the quality of their emails. There is probably a reason that they get called back. Does "u18?" mean 18 micrograms or are you asking my age?

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    40. Re:blame the caller. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Totally agreement but the nounly is narcissist.

    41. Re:blame the caller. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      A phone call is more informative and far more intimate than a text.

      Then again, a text is about as intimate as I'd want to be with a millennial.

    42. Re:blame the caller. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, you equate someone wanting to talk with you with "accosting"?

      In a world where a glance can be a "sexual assault", it makes perfect sense.

    43. Re:blame the caller. by sjames · · Score: 1

      No. If you need that, then after the phone call, send an email summary with the important data points in it and ask if that is correct. It will still be quicker than a zillion back and forth emails or a chat.

    44. Re:blame the caller. by r_jensen11 · · Score: 1

      As someone on the brink (I'm either a millenial or not depending on what dipshit armchair sociologist is spewing the buzzword)...

      Voicemail, I get. It's bullshit. If you call me and I don't answer, I'll call back. Without listening to your voicemail. Because I'm going to call you back. Doing voicemail would be a waste of time for everyone involved.

      And what happens when that person is unavailable when you call them?

    45. Re:blame the caller. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What it really comes down to is that, for most people, other people don't really exist.

      They text or email because the other person at the other end of the communication is not real. They are merely tools providing information, or reassurance, or meeting some psychological need.

      This is not limited to young people either.

      Telephone use , meeting in person, all involve real time interaction which, if everyone in the world other than you is a piece of furniture, is just boring.

    46. Re:blame the caller. by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2

      I was actually there the night my mother passed. ...

      I'm very sorry for your loss. I know how you feel... I was holding my wife when she died at exactly 3pm, Friday, January 13, 2006. There was also nothing I or anyone could do. I heard her last breath and felt her last heartbeat and learned what the word "forever" really means. Something like that gives you perspective, especially about what is and isn't really important.

      Sue died of a brain tumor, just seven weeks after diagnosis. We were together for only 20 years and I'm thankful for that time and, especially, those last weeks together. Grieving is hard and unique to each person. I wrote a short creative non-fiction story about our life together; it's under the "Remember" link on the small Remember Sue... Tumblr. Quoting something near the end:

      He told himself, “I was strong for her. I was holding her when she died. She was never alone or in any pain. I kept all my promises to her.” But such thoughts offered little solace.

      He cried every night for weeks.

      I can tell you that it gets easier, except for those moments you know she or the two of you would have enjoyed. That said, I still wear my wedding ring and haven't dated anyone since.

      All my best to you and yours.

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    47. Re:blame the caller. by k6mfw · · Score: 1

      my voicemail is a tire fire

      and the ones that leave a long drawn out message volumous as "War and Peace" of 5 words/minute, and then leave callback number at warp speed.

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    48. Re:blame the caller. by bughunter · · Score: 1

      Doesn't anybody use handwritten notes anymore?

      And oftentimes, at least in engineering, the facts communicated in such a conversation are a) much easier to draw in symbols or sketches that just can't be done in email or chat, and b) make their way into a final drawing or specification and don't need to be published as a transcript or sketch or markup.

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    49. Re:blame the caller. by bughunter · · Score: 1

      Born on the Boomer/Gen-X cusp, I don't understand the aversion to the phone call and the addiction to texting, either.

      However, I *do* understand the aversion to voice mail. For the same reason I'd rather read an article than watch a video: It's a waste of time.

      I can read a news article in half the time it takes me to watch a news clip on the same story, and often times the written article is more fact-dense.

      And voicemail is even worse, because people take forever to get to the point, ramble on, and often are generally awkward and uncomfortable.

      If you ring me and get voice mail, hang up and send a text or an email. I'll see it within 10 minutes, generally... if I'm awake.

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    50. Re:blame the caller. by bughunter · · Score: 1

      Clearly an editing error - he had another noun there and edited it out, and forgot to change the adj. to a n.

      I do that kind of error of hasty all the time.

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    51. Re:blame the caller. by bughunter · · Score: 1

      Call them what? A dipshit?

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    52. Re:blame the caller. by bughunter · · Score: 1

      Since the people in control of the politicians decided to defund public schools to the point where our children can't even fucking spell anymore.

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    53. Re:blame the caller. by sjames · · Score: 0

      Sure, but since it's a summary of a phone conversation, they may need to scan and email the drawings...

    54. Re:blame the caller. by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Better option than that rant: use the right tool for the job!

      Single quick question? text it.

      Long data dump? email it.

      Sequence of questions that will probably need additional clarification? call.

      This, oh a thousand times this.

      If I'm sending a lot of info, email.

      If I dont want an answer immediately or at all, text.

      If I need an answer immediately, call.

      Personally I've found the quality of voice calls, mobile, land line and VOIP to have improved significantly in the last 15 years (or 5 years in the case of VOIP). Granted I live in Australia, so I can't speak for the quagmire that is the US telecommunications industry but getting a phone call that isn't clear is a very rare event for me. Ever since we changed to digital codecs and packet switched networks line artefacts and drop-outs have pretty much become a thing of the past... Although I still use the "you're breaking up" as a polite excuse to slow down people who have very thick accents I have trouble understanding.

      Of course this hasn't changed the attitudes of some people still firmly stuck in the 90's with phones... No need to shout, it's 2015 and you're coming in loud and clear... in fact you're coming in too fucking loud, does everyone you speak to have burst ear drums.

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    55. Re:blame the caller. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell the kid to turn on predictive texting. It's not hard, and he could be typing messages properly spelled in less time than it takes to hack in that txtspk crap.

    56. Re:blame the caller. by mgcarley · · Score: 1

      If I call back a number I don't recognize, you can be damn sure it's from something like Google Voice which, because I don't have a number specifically attached to it, usually gives "unknown" for the caller ID, and I can take whatever action I see fit according to whether I get a person, IVR or voicemail when I make the call.

      It also helps that I have a number from an area I've never lived in or even been to so that I can be relatively sure any numbers calling me from that area code are spam.

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  4. I don't get it, what is this about? by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Do people have troubles making phone calls nowadays? Is the US telephone network so fragile?

    I can't remember having had any trouble making a phone call and have never had a connection dropped, so I'm wondering what this article is about.

    1. Re:I don't get it, what is this about? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cellular networks are not well-suited for realtime delivery of information. The ATM networks that handle traditional landline phone were designed specifically for realtime, low-latency delivery of digitized voice calls.

      Cellular networks are designed to deliver monumental amounts of data whenever that data happens to arrive, without complex prioritization algorithms that are costly and power hungry to implement. Frankly, I find it amazing that cellular networks can deliver voice at all, and it is probably only possible because of the intentional delays introduced by the system in order to allow the late arrival of data.

      If you call the person in the cube next to you and talk into your phone, you'll notice the audio does not come out on their phone for about 1/2 second.

    2. Re:I don't get it, what is this about? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No idea. I've had 3 dropped calls over the last *decade* plus of cell phones.
      One due to driving into an area without coverage.* I called back later, when I was stopped somewhere with coverage.
      One due to the *other* person driving into an area without coverage.* They called back later, when they were stopped somewhere with coverage.
      One due to some unknown factor. They immediately called back, and we continued the rest of the call without a hitch.

      * Different back-woods, mountainous areas, where coverage is spotty due to the terrain and low population density.

    3. Re:I don't get it, what is this about? by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      The US has wide stretches that have no service, or service only on certain carriers.

    4. Re:I don't get it, what is this about? by Diss+Champ · · Score: 2

      Had an international call to scotland drop a few times last week (landline my side, some sort of microsoft PBX/phone thing on the other). Rarely see this sort of problem in the US aside from stuff like cell phones in elevators or other bad coverage. Don't know where along the way the issue was, but it was frustrating.

    5. Re:I don't get it, what is this about? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you live out in coastal NY/Long Island post hurricane Sandy you'll find the POTS system has gone to shit. The local telcos told the government that they're not going to repair landlines because "It's not profitable" and told their customers to go cellular only.

    6. Re: I don't get it, what is this about? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can only call Neil Young with a Pono phone from now on.

    7. Re:I don't get it, what is this about? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I can't remember having had any trouble making a phone call and have never had a connection dropped, so I'm wondering what this article is about.

      It's "about" a weak premise to try generate some buzz for a messaging platform no one has ever heard of or cares about.

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    8. Re:I don't get it, what is this about? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's about the fact that most people do have those problems. Where do you live, a medium-sized city that you never leave? Small cities with poor coverage, large cities with too many subscribers ... you can hit a sweet spot, and you clearly have, that doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist.

    9. Re:I don't get it, what is this about? by hackertourist · · Score: 2

      In my experience, proper POTS networks are vastly superior to most VoIP solutions I've used. Just today I spent an hour in a conference call (GotoMeeting) where the crappy VoIP insisted on routing my own voice back to my headset with a 1-second delay, so I had to take off the damn headset to be able to talk.

    10. Re:I don't get it, what is this about? by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      BS,

      cellphone networks were designed to handle voice from the start, packet data* was added as an afterthought and is basically the bottom of the priority pile. At least on O2 in the UK it's common to find areas where voice works fine but packet data is unusable. Poor voice quality on cellular networks is a result of two things, firstly the unreliability of the wireless channel and secondly limited available bitrate leading to the use of low bitrate codecs. Even in the more modern technologies which are moving away from circuit switching voice calls still have priority.

      * GSM at least also allows for for circuit-switched data calls and has done for a long time but high cost and low data rate meant it wasn't used much.

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    11. Re:I don't get it, what is this about? by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Informative

      No 99% of all phones out there have utter shit for audio quality.
      Cellphone networks and cellphones have steadily went from decent to complete crap audio call quality.

      Sadly only apple get's it. Facetime audio calls are fantastic. Skype is as crappy as a cellphone call.

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    12. Re:I don't get it, what is this about? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have two cellphones. Feature phone from Net10 and Galaxy S3 with T-Mobile service. I have severe issues in at least 20% of all calls. Usually they don't drop, but the sound quality often is so horrible that it's impossible to speak. Those are not always problems with MY network. But the end result is still really annoying.

      Common problems:
      1. Bad microphone + some audio compression + noise on the speaker's side = nearly impossible to hear anything. This is what the article speaks about it's pretty common for me.
      2. People using Bluetooth headsets that drop packets.
      3. Corporate VOIP issues on the other end.

      I can't seem to be able to use Skype via 4G without it swallowing half the words either.

    13. Re:I don't get it, what is this about? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You obviously don't have Verizon Wireless in the Los Angeles area. Dropped calls are a DAILY occurrence whether on my employer's Samsung or my personal HTC.

    14. Re:I don't get it, what is this about? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I'm baffled too. Phone calls (the voice kind) are extremely reliable. I've also never had a connection dropped. Maybe they are talking about foreign calls where you have to switch between several disparate systems, cross a couple third world countries who are at war, and ending up at a mobile phone powered by hand crank?

    15. Re:I don't get it, what is this about? by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      I can't remember having had any trouble making a phone call and have never had a connection dropped, so I'm wondering what this article is about.

      It's "about" a weak premise to try generate some buzz for a messaging platform no one has ever heard of or cares about.

      This. I am working with a company that for some reason uses Slack instead of an existing, more robust communication system, like Skype, Google Hangouts, etc. It's annoying because it is one more thing I have to keep track of on my desktop and one more thing I have to check for messages, in addition to the traditional messaging platforms.

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    16. Re:I don't get it, what is this about? by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      Do people have troubles making phone calls nowadays? Is the US telephone network so fragile?

      I can't remember having had any trouble making a phone call and have never had a connection dropped, so I'm wondering what this article is about.

      Mobile phone calls are more reliable than they used to be, but they still are absolute crap compared to landlines, in call quality, dropped call rates, price. About the only thing that mobile phones are better at is stuff that is not related to being a phone.

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    17. Re: I don't get it, what is this about? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      So I can be happy the rest of my life with my Pono Phone girl... My Pono Phone girl...

      Hmm... Rocking in the free world?

      There's a mobile phone on the road ahead.
      There's a streaming service that'd be better off dead.
      Don't feel like Satan but I am to them.
      So I pimp my Pono Phone any way I can...

      Torrent my files in the free world...

      See the woman in the night, with a phone in her hand.
      Under an old street light, with her ear buds in her hand.
      She hates compression and what it's done to it.
      So she puts the ear buds in and she's gonna hear my hit.
      That's one more sucker who's gonna buy my phone.
      One under-paid idiot taking out a payday loan.

      Torrent my files in the free world!

      Hmm... Sugar mountain?

      Oh to live on, Pono Mountain.
      With the lossless bass that goes boom.
      You can't be streaming, on Pono Mountain.
      Is my joke a bit too soon? A bit too soon...

      Hmm... How about an unknown legend?

      I should probably work in a diner.
      Cleaning up dirty China.
      I made a phone and it's a bore.

      I've been screaming half my life.
      Now I'm telling bullshit lies.
      I'll be an unknown legend in no time...

      Hmm... Old Man might work.

      Old Man take a look at my phone.
      It's a lot like useless.
      I need vindication.
      That is why I do this.
      Oh one look at my phone,
      And you can tell that's true.
      Give me more dollars.
      And please buy two.

      Hmm... After the Gold Rush?

      Well I dreamed I saw a Pono Phone in the yellow haze of the Sun.
      There were dollar signs flying and I was poor so I designed this one.
      There were engineers laughing and investors cracking but we finally got it done.
      We've got streaming services on the run in century twenty-one.

      Hmm... I think I need to smoke less weed. Or more. Either way, I am actually a fan of his music. Anyhow, I am stopping.

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    18. Re:I don't get it, what is this about? by tsotha · · Score: 1

      About the only thing that mobile phones are better at is stuff that is not related to being a phone.

      Being able to make phone calls when you're not by a land line is pretty handy.

    19. Re:I don't get it, what is this about? by bughunter · · Score: 1

      Seconded. My calls between me and my wife, both on the Same. Fucking. Contract. get dropped all the time. And when one of us hangs up, the other phone can't detect it's a hang-up, but shows that the call failed.

      WTF, Verizon?

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    20. Re:I don't get it, what is this about? by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Because your provider refuses to invest in upgrades. The reason the telephone system was great is because it was ordered by the government to be so reliable and resilient it would survive a nuclear blast, Internet was built on top of it with the same mission. Since then the utilities (phone, wireless, electric, water...) have been privatized and can't even sustain a tornado without blacking out a quarter of the nation.

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    21. Re:I don't get it, what is this about? by Agripa · · Score: 1

      Do people have troubles making phone calls nowadays? Is the US telephone network so fragile?

      I forget what it is called but some carriers deliberately misroute calls when they will lose money on them resulting in the caller getting an unending number of fast busy signals and other errors. For instance I cannot reach any government numbers located in California from Missouri.

      In addition, sound quality has gotten worse. In many cases it is so bad that I do not bother to continue the call. Part of this is do to the low bit rate digital compression and it is *not* only an issue with wireless.

      So ya, at this point I consider voice calls in the US unusable and less reliable an email.

    22. Re:I don't get it, what is this about? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      APPLE FANBOY ALERT!!!

  5. The Atlantic by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    Ever since I learned about Vannevar Bush's "As We May Think" published in The Atlantic and available online on their site, I have felt that The Atlantic has been doing a good job.
    https://www.bing.com/search?q=...
    http://www.theatlantic.com/mag...

  6. So many more reasons by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 3, Informative

    When it comes to extortionate practices, horrible customer service, bait-and-switch special plans, secret data caps, unlimited but not really unlimited data, throttling, and any number of other things I've seen, I have oh so many more reasons to hate the cellular phone company than just this.

  7. My distaste for phone calls by hackwrench · · Score: 2

    I don't like phone calls, not because they demand your immediate attention, but that it's hard to go back over what's been said and gives you no mechanism to figure out exactly what you want to say before you say it.

    1. Re:My distaste for phone calls by tepples · · Score: 1

      it's hard to go back over what's been said and gives you no mechanism to figure out exactly what you want to say before you say it.

      If you are using a phone because of a lack of Internet access, you can make notes with paper and pencil before dialing.

    2. Re:My distaste for phone calls by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      You are usually having a dialogue with someone over the phone, so you might not be able to plan ahead after the initial statement,

    3. Re:My distaste for phone calls by tsotha · · Score: 1

      That's how I feel. Email chains store all sorts of information you may not think you need but end up being critical at some later date. And you don't have to rely on the memory of both parties when there's a misunderstanding.

  8. Asocial misfits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Phone calls never made sense to you because you were too wrapped up in yourself to listen to the other person. There is a whole lot more communication in the intonation and pace of speaking than there is in a text message. I suggest you actually listen to people when they're speaking to you instead of thinking up a rebuttal. Your life will be much more pleasant.

    1. Re:Asocial misfits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Phone calls never made sense to you because you were too wrapped up in yourself to listen to the other person. There is a whole lot more communication in the intonation and pace of speaking than there is in a text message. I suggest you actually listen to people when they're speaking to you instead of thinking up a rebuttal. Your life will be much more pleasant.

      Most people who prefer to call just waste time meandering around when instead they should have gotten their thoughts together first while composing an email. Phone calls are also a haven for people who want to avoid having a written record of what they said that could be used against them later on (never trust an engineer who avoids replying to emails.)

      If you really need to talk something out a face-to-face meeting is far superior to a phone call.

  9. Slashvertisement by fulldecent · · Score: 1

    This is a slashvertisement for Slack.

    Not appreciated.

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    1. Re:Slashvertisement by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      No it's not. When I read the article (from the Atlantic site) I didn't even pick up on Slack. At the worst, it's a small interstitial.

      Calm down. Call somebody on the phone and talk over your issues.

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    2. Re:Slashvertisement by mjwx · · Score: 1

      No it's not. When I read the article (from the Atlantic site) I didn't even pick up on Slack. At the worst, it's a small interstitial.

      Calm down. Call somebody on the phone and talk over your issues.

      In other words... here's 50 cents, call someone who cares.

      Cost of local phone call from public telephone box may vary depending on country.

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  10. People are spoiled now by Higaran · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We have these devices in our pockets that connect us with the rest of the world instantaneously, the vast majority of people expect because they pay some kind of amount ever month that these things are supposed to work flawlessly every single time. This kind of thing was mind boggling a generation ago, even up until a few years ago if you wanted to be sure something got done, you had to talk to someone on the other end of the phone line, a delivery will be made, a bank account opened, etc. I get that younger generation grew up with pretty much instant gratification for everything, but that doesn't make it right. The technology has outpaced our ability to get used to it we basically went from sending smoke signals, to being connected to all the collective knowledge of humanity overnight, there is no wonder that people are complaining about stuff. Technology is not perfect, it will not work 100% of the time, there is not a machine built since the beginning of time that will, get over it. Very few people do not even realize what it takes to get they call to connect when it actually does work, that kind of thing was called magic a few years ago.

    1. Re:People are spoiled now by NJRoadfan · · Score: 3, Informative

      That is because most of those people grew up with a landline phone backed by a network that prided itself in its "five 9s" reliability.

    2. Re:People are spoiled now by mjwx · · Score: 1

      That is because most of those people grew up with a landline phone backed by a network that prided itself in its "five 9s" reliability.

      Some of us grew up in countries that had a single provider that prided itself on providing five 9's in their bills and nine 5's of reliability.

      Telecom Australia... This is Australia caaaaaalling ($5.99 per minute, calling not actually guaranteed).

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    3. Re:People are spoiled now by bughunter · · Score: 1

      Exactly my thoughts reading the article.

      And after reading the comments here, I believe what the young folk need is a direct hit from a nice big solar flare to take out the networks for a few days so they can appreciate what the real world is like.

      Hell, not just cell phones, but tablets and laptops too. My 11-yo son spends 90% of his waking hours with his nose glued to a screen, and sulks the other 10% when it isn't. His only interest in earning an allowance (from doing chores and assisting me or my wife with minor vocational tasks) is to buy another device or some app to put on it.

      Hell, we take him camping every summer for a week at one of the most beautiful sites on Lake Tahoe (no, I'm NOT telling you where) to get away, and last year he discovered that Verizon has a 4G signal there. This year, he snuck off to the car or into the tent every chance he got to play on his tablet, and the entire drive between here and there, he spent with his laptop open, connected to my wife's hotspot. A solar flare would be good for him.

      Unfortunately, it'd take out all the power distribution networks, too... I like air conditioning and electric lights too much. My great-great-grandfather from the 19th century calls me spoiled.

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  11. Over-thinking it by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    What an over-complicated load of bollocks.

    Phone communication is instant and interactive. Failures are highlighted more by their very nature, where a text (or whatever) might have 'failed to send' a dozen times invisibly before it actually gets sent.

    That, and people are stupid, impatient chimps.

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  12. I don't like the audio codecs by Stonent1 · · Score: 1

    Something in the way they work causes my wife's voice to cut out randomly when talking to me on the phone especially if there's background noise. I don't seem to have that problem with other people just her, so maybe she has a unique voice frequency that it rejects as noise. (*insert joke here*) We've tried different brands of phone and the problem persists.

    1. Re: I don't like the audio codecs by bughunter · · Score: 1

      I have a coworker in an adjacent office whose voice my *brain* rejects as noise.

      I think she learned to speak from watching reruns of The Nanny.

      (Joke Inserted)

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  13. TFA is right: Mobile phones suck by Radical+Moderate · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Look, I love my iMobilePersonalComputingDevice, it does an unbelievable number of things pretty darn well. But as a phone, it sucks. The sound is terrible, the form factor is less than ideal for a phone conversation, the connection can be spotty. For a 5-minute quick check in it's fine, but I had a friend call me yesterday for what turned out to be a 2-hour heart-to-heart about the meaning of life, and it was excruciating.

    Yes, texts and other media are often superior to voice. But part of the reason millenials don't like to call is that the phones are terrible. Given the design constraints inherent in mobile devices, that's probably not going to change.

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    1. Re:TFA is right: Mobile phones suck by whh3 · · Score: 1

      Thank you for posting this. I completely agree with your main point: these devices are great, but they are NOT phones.

      I grew up split between the gen-x and millenials and I have had cell phones on AMPS, PCS, GSM, CDMA, ... The list goes on. Even though I was able to look at WAP sites as early as 1999, the ability of these devices to get on the "Internet" has improved significantly over the last ten years.

      And yet their ability to act as a phone has roughly stayed the same over the same time period.

      Even though I love the fact that my Android and/or iPhone can do all the amazing app things, I wish that I could have a Blackberry for the voice. Although the device itself cannot cover for a bad network, the BB was famous for it's strong phone and they had engineered the best cell phone speakerphone I've ever used.

      Now that I am without a landline telephone (never had one, actually), there is no way for me to say, "I'd love to have this heart-to-heart conversation in a way that we can understand each other clearly; let me call you back on my landline." So, I would sincerely hope that people are working on improving the voice quality of these devices.

      And yet, ultimately, I agree with the parent: People have bad experiences with the devices as phones, they use the phone less, engineers don't improve the phone, and the cycle continues.

      Will

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    2. Re:TFA is right: Mobile phones suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want an iThing, get an iThing, if you want a mobile phone, get one of these: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=flip+phone&t=ffsb&ia=images

      They work great as a phone, small, sturdy, battery life measured in days instead of minutes...

    3. Re:TFA is right: Mobile phones suck by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      And yet their ability to act as a phone has roughly stayed the same over the same time period.

      IN fact, it has deteriorated. Until I got a smartphone, I didn't realize that a phone could and would reboot, with no warning or reason. A phone should NEVER reboot. That is not acceptable behavior. This is a huge regression in phone behavior. My old dumb phone never rebooted. My landline STILL doesn't reboot. So my smartphone, if it is a step forward should not reboot either. The fact that we are willing to compromise on the basic function of a phone just so we can play crappy games with poor quality video, watch movies on a screen that is too small, or try to operate an app on device whose UI makes it take 25 times longer than it would on a computer, is just baffling to me.

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    4. Re:TFA is right: Mobile phones suck by chihowa · · Score: 1

      It's deteriorated in more ways than just that. For all of the downsides of AMPS (and there were plenty), poor voice quality wasn't really one of them. It was horridly inefficient with spectrum, but enough bandwidth was available for voice communications and poor signal resulted in static on the channel (which we are pretty good at hearing through) instead of the common modern scenario of voice completely dropping out and stuttering every few seconds.

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    5. Re:TFA is right: Mobile phones suck by bughunter · · Score: 1

      Congratulations, you just summarized TFA.

      The only thing the article left out is that oftentimes, using a bluetooth headset to ergonomicize the feature makes even a decent connection suck.

      My Plantronics only performs acceptably when the battery is more than 75% charged, and it's priced mid-range.

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    6. Re:TFA is right: Mobile phones suck by bughunter · · Score: 1

      Agree. I had one of the RAZR V3s, and I loved it. Worked great, and reasonably ergonomic. And it was small and rugged... well, rugged enough, assuming you didn't treat it like you were Captain Kirk calling Scotty for a beam-up.

      Unfortunately it got stolen from my car one day, probably by a junkie who needed 5 bucks for a hit.

      I got a KRZR as a replacement, but it wasn't as well made, and the sound quality was worse, even though they were both GSM phones.

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    7. Re:TFA is right: Mobile phones suck by Radical+Moderate · · Score: 1

      "Congratulations, you just summarized TFA."
      On slashdot, that's considered a public service, and you're welcome. Besides summarizing it, I validated it citing my vast and fascinating personal experience. Yay me.

      I do like "ergonomicize".

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  14. I have the answers to your questions by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 3, Interesting

    1. Who encounters problems with voice calls?
    There are parts of the Earths surface that have mountainous terrain. This mountainous terrain, which is more and more being used by mankind for habitation purposes, has a tendency to have less robust cell coverage. To those who live near or in mountainous terrain, cell coverage can be spotty and problematic.

    2. Why make voice calls at all?
    Voice calls are better at reflecting the true intention of the communicating parties. Texts and emails can leave out the true intentions of the message. Voice calls can make discussions much more precise between communicating parties where nuance may be critical.

    3. Why the concern about the quality of voice calls via cell?
    Ahh, now we come to it. Once upon a time there was a telephony network in the US that was mostly reliable and had high quality. Regardless of your phone, you could expect a high degree of audio communication, via talking(a communication technique pioneered several millennia ago). Communication via "talking" via cell now is akin to cb or walkie talkie in regard to quality.

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  15. Your preferences aren't the only ones that matter by sjbe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As a millenial, phonecalls never made sense to me.

    Really? You never talk to anyone using your voice? Were you one of those kids who text messages the person sitting right next to you? I hate talking on the phone myself but there are plenty of times it is the most effective means of communication. It is far faster than email for many data dumps and it communicates emotion and nuance light years better. I type fast but I talk much faster. If I need to give you a core dump about an issue and deal with it quickly I'm probably going to call when typing would take too long.

    Unless I actively want to hear your voice (my parents for example) then i have an infinite and vastly superior cadre of resources with which to communicate.

    That depends very much on exactly what you are trying to communicate. Talking on the phone can be VASTLY faster and more effective than email, IM, twitter, facebook and other forms of communication in a lot of circumstances. Some things are difficult to communicate adequately via email. Asynchronous forms of communication are generally very impersonal, slow, and frankly I deal with enough email as it is. The last thing I want to do is spend more time emailing.

    Another supreme irritation is when I email a person, but they call me back. maintain parity and answer the email.

    Not everyone types very well. I work with several people who can't type quickly for various reasons. Sometimes calling is a faster way to address the problem. You might prefer email but your preferences are not the only ones that matter. I don't care for talking on the phone either but if it gets the job done, so what? I care that the problem gets handled, not the medium it gets handled through.

    Accosting me for details just means im going to keep pointing you to the email.

    At which point the other person will declare you to be an uncooperative jerk. I absolutely loathe talking on the phone but if I've bothered to pick up the phone and call you there is a damn good reason for it. Answer the call, be courteous and helpful. If you point me back to email when I've bothered to call you I'm probably going to get pissed off at you. If it is a telemarketer, hang up and block the number.

    But phones? no. Voicemail hell no.

    Voicemail has its place. I use google voice which records and transcribes the voicemails I get. The problem with voicemail isn't the actual message, it's the shitty interface that has been put on it traditionally. Now that I can quickly read my voicemails I rarely actually have to listen to them and voicemail has become fairly useful. Sometimes someone needs to reach you and email isn't the right format or maybe all they have is a phone number. Voice mail allows them to communicate with you when you can't take the call which is genuinely useful.

  16. Bad voicemail interfaces by sjbe · · Score: 1

    I've always hated voice mail because of peoples tendencies to leave crap messages. So not only do I need to go through the extra steps going through voice prompts and entering passcodes...

    That's not a problem with voicemails, it's a problem with the interface of voicemail systems. Traditional voicemail systems have had TERRIBLE interfaces. More recent ones like Google Voice are much, much better. I now get a transcription (crude but usually effective) and a wav file if I need to actually listen to it.

    Also just as bad as "call me back" without giving me a reason WHY you need to talk to me, if you don't give me a reason to treat you more urgently than others then you're going to the bottom of the list.

    Sometimes there are very good reasons to not indicate precisely what you want to talk about in a voicemail. For example a doctor's office isn't going to leave sensitive information for you in a voicemail or explain exactly why they are calling. Messages might be sensitive or embarrassing. If it is a friend they probably just want to talk to you just because so no specific reason should be necessary. You should probably have a pretty good feel for the relationship and urgency. If it is time sensitive then they should know to indicate that.

  17. email a person, but they call me back by j2.718ff · · Score: 1

    Another supreme irritation is when I email a person, but they call me back

    I agree with a lot of what you said. But this one can actually make sense, provided the person has a valid reason to call you instead of e-mailing. If you asked a question that can be answered in a sentence or two, then the response should absolutely be an e-mail. But if you asked a question that requires clarification, or has a complicated answer and the responder doesn't know how much background information you already have, then some form of real-time communication makes a lot more sense.

  18. Lines without Caller ID by tepples · · Score: 1

    If you call me and I don't answer, I'll call back.

    Provided you're on a line with Caller ID. Many landlines still do not because not every head of household thinks it's worth an extra $100 per year. Voicemail at least contains the caller's phone number.

  19. Replying while offline by tepples · · Score: 1

    Another supreme irritation is when I email a person, but they call me back. maintain parity and answer the email.

    Consider this sequence of steps:
    1. Receive and read e-mail.
    2. Disconnect from the Internet while maintaining connection to telephone network.
    3. Think of reply to e-mail.

    The following options are available:
    A. Make a phone call.
    B. Wait hours until you are again connected to the Internet through a device with a keyboard with which to compose an e-mail.
    C. A third option (please describe in detail)

    What criteria would one use to choose between these two? If neither, what is your third option?

    1. Re:Replying while offline by amRadioHed · · Score: 1

      C. Compose your response then send it when you're back online.

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    2. Re:Replying while offline by tepples · · Score: 1

      Compose on what? Paper and pencil? Besides, it shares the drawback with B that the recipient will not receive it for hours.

    3. Re:Replying while offline by amRadioHed · · Score: 1

      You never said you didn't my have access to a computer or mobile phone on which to compose an email, you just said you were off the network.

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    4. Re:Replying while offline by tepples · · Score: 1

      Composing a message on a flip phone's numeric keypad is a pain.

  20. Since we're projecting personality types... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used to work with someone who loved to say that all the time, and I can tell you, that's a great way to alienate your co-workers! They were insecure because they anchored their self worth to others perception of their technical prowess. That is not a great way to draw self worth, but in this workplace they were completely out of their depth, and the spiraling insecurity meant they felt an even greater need to interject themselves into technical conversations. It got pretty bad, if any of us were having a conversation and saw them in the hall we would run for it. In that case, I have to agree, a-ny-thing other than a call or face to face conversation was a better form of communication.

  21. nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    unless perhaps I am talking to someone with a $500 phone that don't do voice calls worth a crap :/

    Since only half the calls sound like crap I am guessing it is not my end. LOL, almost 8 year-old flip phone :) I can't believe the battery in this still works, but as long as it does...

  22. Cellular Analog Versus Digital by kackle · · Score: 1

    Amen to the call quality. I was there when it "happened". My first technical job in my early 20s was installing car phones in the late 1980s. I worked my way up to service department manager. In the early 1990s I was given by the carrier a batch of these new-fangled digital cellular phones to give for free (worth thousands each) to our best customers as part of their nationwide beta test. My customers vehemently hated them - one wanted it removed immediately. They said things like "The voice sounds metallic." and "It sounds like I'm in a tunnel!", etc. Sound familiar?

    I was told by my boss to tell the customers that software upgrades would fix such issues over time. That never happened. Today I loathe cellular phones at either end of my conversations. Even at that time, you could clearly see with an RF spectrum analyzer what was going on: the normal analog bandwidth for 1 call was being split into 3 calls, with quality being the trade-off. It's probably even worse today.

    Phones/calls were very expensive back then; I remember the roaming rate for Los Angeles was $0.90 per minute. So it's no wonder that most folks today are unaware that the original cellular phone calls were just as good as a landline call - no awful distortion, no noticeable delay - I'm not exaggerating (assuming you had coverage, of course).

    1. Re:Cellular Analog Versus Digital by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They said things like "The voice sounds metallic." and "It sounds like I'm in a tunnel!", etc. Sound familiar?

      This. The problem is the shitty coded used.

      Landline: Some frequencies chopped due to PCM, but effectively uncompressed WAV from that point forward. For lack of a better analogy, the system had enough bandwidth such that everyone on it could have 64kbps WAV, compressed losslessly.
      Wireless: MP3, at the lowest possible bitrate conceivable that's still barely legible. Wireless carriers had minimal bandwidth compared to landline networks, and it's like 8kbps MP3s. Even 128kbps MP3s can sound like ass, and wireless networks compressed lossily down to way less than the 8kbps that the landlines used. Watery shitty quality audio all around.

    2. Re:Cellular Analog Versus Digital by bughunter · · Score: 1

      Agree with you on call quality.

      A special peeve of mine is cellular callers on the radio, whether listener callers, or arranged guests on talk shows or NPR stories.

      Especially the latter two. Where the hell are the audio engineers with an equalizer to filter out the everpresent ringing, distortion and adjust the levels so I don't have to crank up the volume to understand the caller, cringe at the hyper-resonant frequencies, and then slap at the volume knob when an in-studio person speaks?

      Especially when you're a nationally distributed program with pre-arranged "expert" guests and time to at least minimally adjust the audio quality, I just don't understand how anyone thinks that is an acceptable audio quality.

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  23. There probably is an 'explanation', but still... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a phone that can do 1080p60 with complex 3d scenes. It can run games written with the Unity engine. I can seed torrents and watch 1080p60 youtube videos at the same time.

    But the phone sound quality? About as good as 20 year old landline.

    What the fuck?

  24. Re:Your preferences aren't the only ones that matt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I care that the problem gets handled, not the medium it gets handled through.

    Except when it doesn't in that there's no record to refer back to and others that were cc'd in the original email might be interested in the content. Sometimes voice is appropriate but not as an excuse for not using other means. I can't text well but I still make the effort when I think it's more appropriate. If someone's that hard pressed to compose an email then he should find a secretary.

  25. I couldn't even heard a bomb drop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I work in a call center. The quality of the majority of calls is totally wretched.

    Especially in America with so many foreigners and people with non-Christian names, it's hard to understand people
    and then find them in our databases.

    I think the better question is "Why do we put up with such horrible service from the cell providers?".

    Sigh. I pine for the old Pin-Drop Days.

    1. Re:I couldn't even heard a bomb drop by k6mfw · · Score: 1

      Sigh. I pine for the old Pin-Drop Days.

      I remember that was their signature describing fidelity of audio quality of their phones. Now Sprint has an abstract emblem based on multiple snapshots of a pin impacting a ground surface. But now nobody understands what that artwork is except old timers from the 20th century.

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  26. Re:There probably is an 'explanation', but still.. by tompaulco · · Score: 1

    I have a phone that can do 1080p60 with complex 3d scenes. It can run games written with the Unity engine. I can seed torrents and watch 1080p60 youtube videos at the same time.

    But the phone sound quality? About as good as 20 year old landline.

    Lucky you. Most phones can't do anywhere near the quality of a 20 year old land line. The very first phone call was probably of better call quality than any modern cell phone.

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  27. Phone! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I love talking to people on the phone! Especially when it is to deliver bad news or to tell them that, no, my boss isn't in the office (just like every other day of the week, just like when you called me 2 hours ago), and no, he hasn't responded to my emails regarding the computer issues you're having, and no, he hasn't given my account the required privileges to remote in and fix it for you. This is pretty much how I spend every business day. Once in a while I even get to fix computers!

  28. Who still makes phone calls? by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

    Browsing the web, watching videos, and playing games are the most common uses for smartphones followed by non-voice based communication. That dropped call might be annoying, but it appears to be only a problem for a small number of users. So why bother?