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Now Google Must Censor Search Results About "Right To Be Forgotten" Removals
Mark Wilson writes, drolly, that the so-called right to be forgotten "has proved somewhat controversial," and expands on that with a new twist in a post at Beta News:
While some see the requirement for Google to remove search results that link to pages that contain information about people that is 'inadequate, irrelevant or no longer relevant' as a win for privacy, other see it as a form of censorship. To fight back, there have been a number of sites that have started to list the stories Google is forced to stop linking to. In the latest twist, Google has now been ordered to remove links to contemporary news reports about the stories that were previously removed from search results. All clear? Thought not... The Information Commissioner's Office has ordered Google to remove from search results links to nine stories about other search result links removed under the Right to Be Forgotten rules.
...this summary is itself in violation.
6 years from now I fully expect a slashdot article highlighting googles mandatory censorship of the censorship of the right to have the right to forget about forgetting the forgotten.
does a set of all sets include itself?
Good people go to bed earlier.
As a citizen of the EU I will say that I'm so so sorry about this mess. We if anyone should know better.
as a citizen of the EU I demand that I have the right to have Slashdot forgotten, so goog should eliminate it from its search results. also, let's forget goodle too.
Since the article in question is about a link to articles that have been removed or censored does that mean that article will have to be removed along with Slashdot's reference too?
Then they will be asked to censor articles talking about this.. and the articles based on those articles.. etc...
Legislate them out of existence. It's always fun to watch a slow motion shakedown by a government play out.
Given that the EU is stuck with it for the time being perhaps it's time to see if there are not some fringe benefits. Fed up hearing about every detail of some stupid celebrity's life? Apply to have every story about them disappear from the web! Alternatively if we try that for a few important, reasonably well-behaved politicians hoping to get re-elected I imagine we might see the laws changed rather quickly...
This is ridiculous. If the content is still out there, then Google, and all other search engines should index it. I can see asking them to not cache it, but to use stro,g-arm tactics to FORCE them to actively filter it out of results is, to my mind, a violation of their freedom of speech. Which SHOULD trump the freedom to F up and then hide it from the public.
Google and MS and all the other search engines should just threaten to pull out of the EU en mass rather than abide by this rediculous law.
Google needs to delist all UK links from its search database
how will we ever find out when the case is settled?
hopefully they will realize how stupid the whole thing is and they will ask us to forget all about it
Data is contagious. Google's bots crawl data.
Like the copyright mafia, they're learning the hard way that it's pretty hard to maintain exclusive control over an unconcious, intangible, not-a-thing-but-a-mental-construct that has to be controlled everywhere in the universe at once.
"They" not necessarily being Google, who are probably more aware of the futility.
I see that since the "Delete From My Mind-Inator" was destroyed, he is still trying to get this https://www.youtube.com/watch?... video forgotten.
I wonder how well this will work out? Do you think he calls this the "Right to Forget-inator"?
IMarv
Trusting software vendors is no smarter than trus
how will baidu find out? how will anyone find out? can they make it retroactive?
She swallowed the cow to catch the dog
She swallowed the dog to catch the cat...
Even a child can see how this ends. Best of luck with your censorship, Europe.
Dear leftists and liberals of EU
The country of Donald Trump and Sarah Palin thinks you are stooopid
Anyone truly interested in privacy would never attempt to have the interwebs "forget" them. If I ever get doxed, I'll just start a campaign of lies about myself and a few other people of various levels of credibility. If anyone asks about them, I'll just say "ya, I know about it. I somehow got misidentified by some vindictive hackers as someone they're mad at or something. None of it's true."
To be sure, that's exactly what the rich and powerful who rule the world do. There are so many conspiracy theories about the illuminati, lizard people, planet niribu, the free masons, etc. that we have no idea what to believe. I'm sure some of it's true, but good f-ing luck figuring out which parts to believe.
We apologise for the fault in the censored search results. Those responsible have been sacked.
We apologise again for the fault in the censored search results. Those responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked have been sacked.
The directors of the firm hired to continue the censored search results after the other people had been sacked, wish it to be known that they have just been sacked. The censored search results have been completed in an entirely different style at great expense and at the last minute.
Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
“If the Party could thrust its hand into the past and say of this or that event, it never happened—that, surely, was more terrifying than mere torture and death.”
Looks like George Orwell was spot on.
Then again Oldthinkers unbellyfeel EU right?
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
I have have a natural right to remember everything I experience. This right trumps any interest by anyone else for me to forget it. Persistent storage is an augmentation of my memories, and therefore an extension of my body. I own my body and my persistent storage. Therefore any suggestion that there is a "right to be forgotten" is total nonsense, and should be dismissed as such. You have a right to pursue anonymity, but if I identify you, too bad. If you want me to forget you, you have a right to pursue it, but not a right to force me. I can be friendly, and oblige your request; or I can refuse, and you can attempt to ostracize me. It's then my reputation that delivers my fate.
interactive hologram, or it didn't happen.
...Is that you can't talk about Right To Be Forgotten?
It's fun watching the EU fly in ever-decreasing circles until it flies up its own colon.
Double-plus goodful this memory hole is.
Speedfully rectify this double-plus-ungood write or I will upsub this to minitruth.
The whole idea of the right to be forgotten is NOT to remove the information, but instead to make it a bit harder to get to. That way when some shmuck posts a photo of his ex girlfriend, it won't be the very first thing that pops up on a search of her name.
But it still should let people find the information eventually, after a significant search - such as looking for lists of things 'forgotten'.
It is impossible - without forever modifying the internet in major BAD ways to totally prevent information from getting out, but it can be made more difficult.
There is NO VALID REASON to de-link sites that list right to be forgotten information. It does not materially help those the law is intended to help, instead it simply makes life harder for Google.
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There are a number of meta search engines out there that just generate a series of search requests on various sites and collect and merge the results. So if I did a search on CowboyNeal, the meta search would just fire off search requests to public record databases, news service web sites, etc. as well as Google. They don't actually index anything, but distribute and collect queries and results, much like gopher did.
So if CowboyNeal wanted to 'disappear', he'd have to seek out every database and have his records purged. If the authorities order the meta engine to block searches on the term "CowboyNeal", that becomes obvious as the meta engine returns almost instantly with "nothing found" (other tricks exist to detect this blacklisting as well).
Have gnu, will travel.
Two highly intelligent people that the Democrats love to badmouth. Interesting that you bring them up.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
I'm using Bing which I think hasn't been targeted by as much of this stuff. Its as good as google in my opinion. DuckDuckGo is my next move if bing goes tits up. My issue with duckduckgo is that the site handles very strangely... and there are odd things about how text is copied from search results. I think the site might require active javascript to do a search which neither google nor bing require for searching. They need it for other things but the searching requires none.
I've decided to stop wasting my time responding to AC trolls/sockpuppets... so if you want a response from me... login.
OK.
Woman is raped and the police arrest a suspect. He's thrown in jail for three months while an investigation moves forward.
The lady said the perp was about 6' tall and heavy. This dude is 5'6" and skinny. He maintains that he's innocent.
The lady says it's not him because his build is wrong.
They take the perp's DNA. It doesn't match the sperm. Still, they hold him for a while.
Authorities take DNA samples of men with opportunity and, BANG!, they find the 6'2" heavy-set guy.
The original man is released.
Fast forward 3 months. This guy applies for a job and doesn't get it. He has friends working there and they tell him it's because he was once accused of rape, according to HR Google search.
He says, "But I was exonerated."
They say HR doesn't want to have to deal with the mess and they will just pick another guy with less baggage.
Dude tells Google to forget him.
Google says there's a story out there about a guy who was accused of rape but was found to be innocent and that fact is relevant to research. It's a fact in evidence and should be available.
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The guy's story is part of the public record. The problem here is HR, but the hurt is on the guy. I say tough shit. Sue HR.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
sarah palin is so smart, she quit her job halfway through.
sarah palin is the world's foremost expert on raising celibate children
donald trump is so smart, he thinks his dead casinos were a "good investment"
So, they have to censor the censorship about censoring.
Table-ized A.I.
sarah palin is so smart, she quit her job halfway through.
Would you have been happier if she had kept the job while on the campaign trail? It isn't like she would be very effective at her job while on the road.
sarah palin is the world's foremost expert on raising celibate children
I don't know what this has to do with anything. You teach your children how they should behave, it doesn't mean that they do everything they are taught. I am guessing you don't have any children.
donald trump is so smart, he thinks his dead casinos were a "good investment"
Not every investment works out, and Trump understands that. Sometimes you have to close a business that isn't working out, it happens. Trying to hold it against him makes me wonder if you have EVER failed at ANYTHING in your life. Considering it was 4 bankruptcies out of hundreds of businesses, he has a better track record than most of us. Most successful people fail most of the time, just look at hitters in baseball for a good example, in baseball 30% success is damn good. Why do you hold someone to such a higher degree than you would hold yourself to?
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
he has a better track record than most of us.
He was born into hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars, no duh.
in baseball 30% success is damn good.
The red sox are winning 45% of the time and they are in LAST PLACE
Why do you hold someone to such a higher degree than you would hold yourself to?
WELL DUH. They are running for president and I AM NOT.
He can't sue HR, because HR is not going to be dumb enough to send him a rejection letter saying "we won't hire you because you were accused of rape". They're just going to reject him without giving him a reason. There's no way he could prove that this particular rejection happened because of the false accusation.
This is an unbelievably stupid analogy. NSA and government data is accessible by a handful of people. People that can make your life miserable, because now they can blackmail you, or a politician, or just about anyone with that content. But if your misdeeds of the past are available via a quick google search, then anyone can find out that information and no one has power over you.
Try to imagine what would happen if a few corrupt government or NSA individuals had exclusive access to the Ashely Madison leaked info, instead of it being splattered all over the internet. And for the sake of argument, we have a lot more high ranking senators, governors and congresscritters with that information on that list. The NSA would fucking own them, and none of them would dare speak out against mass surveillance for the rest of their term. Maybe they're blackmailed into payment by some underlings working there. Powerful govt organization gets even more powerful. Hell, they're probably doing this now.
Global warming and other natural disasters are a direct effect of the shrinking number of pirates - Gospel of the FSM
So create a website that periodically does an automatic rewrite of the stories (change a few nouns, verbs, articles, and punctuation) and generates new URLs for them. By the time one link gets removed, another will have taken its place. Repeat unto infinity.
OK, well it may be defined in law somewhere, and it may be possible to remove some item from a result set, but rights or no rights, it is never going to be possible to remove all traces of a document from all storage devices worldwide.
live with it.
The ability to remove the data needs to be done at the source and leave the search engines do what they are supposed to do.
I used to think that George Orwell's "memory hole" was just hyperbole. How could that ever be implemented in the real world. Well, here you have it. It doesn't have to be 100% to be effective, so long as most people can't easily find the information, it's effective gone.
Competition Good, Monopoly Bad.
Never could figure how a "techie" radio host that nobody has ever seen, could be "hot."
So on the off chance that one HR forgets to check and actually hires him he should MAKE SURE he's going to be unemployable and volunteer this information?
Listen, the only way to go on with your life after something like that is to change your name and location and start a new life.
Face it - at least in the US being on trial for something serious means you're fucked for life.
Guilty... innocent... you're the guy with a record...
Does the job title "Information Commissioner" immediately bring Orwell to mind for anyone else?
That that is is that that that that is not is not.
Would you have been happier if she had kept the job while on the campaign trail? It isn't like she would be very effective at her job while on the road.
Umm, while your defense of Palin is noteworthy, It might be handy to note that the 2008 Presidential election took place on November 4, 2008, and the governor's resignation took place on July 26, 2009. Roughly 9 months later.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
sarah palin is the world's foremost expert on raising celibate children
I don't know what this has to do with anything. You teach your children how they should behave, it doesn't mean that they do everything they are taught. I am guessing you don't have any children.
Actually, Ms Palin's children appear to be raised with the same values as her, So I suspect Mama Bear figures she did a great job. Notable is that Bristol, the unwed mother, who makes a fair amount of money by preaching abstinance to trotskyite's children She erned $262,500 at least one year doing just that..
She's pregnant again - out of wedlock - again.
https://www.washingtonpost.com...
It seems to be a recurring theme among those who would pronounce themselves as somehow better than others. The Palin family has that quality in good supply.
It seems we get family value Senators woh look to engage in oral sex in airport bathrooms, Preachers who rail against Gays, yet have ongoing affiars with other men, Governors who run off to foreign countries with some floozy they are fucking, while they are still married, and get re-elected to another position. a surprisinly log list of pol who like to have sex with underage males.
You may want to defend these people. I consider them and anyone regardless of political stripe as slezeballs who should be arrested if applicable, or at least stop trying to act like they are superior and moral and honest beings. Allow me to put this in bold:
There is not one goddamned thing wrong with being conservative.
But!
These are people held in high regard who are incredibly hypocritical. Unwed mother who does one thing, yet tells everyone else they need to behave another way. That's just a sample as noted above. Her mother quitting halfwy through a elected office, yet defenders will twist themselves into knots trying to spin a story that she didnt quit.. And on and on and on.
But has the propaganda been so effective that people will defend grifters ike those who will let you give them as much money as you are willing to give, demanding you live in a way they never would, while delivering nothing else but vague hatred to breed more hatred and money for them - well, this isn't even remotely conservatism. It's Trotskyism.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Oooooh... I love recursion! What comes next??