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More Ashley Madison Files Published
An anonymous reader writes: A second round of Ashley Madison data was released today. The data dump was twice as large as the first time, which was bad enough for "19 Kids and Counting" star Josh Duggar, and includes some of CEO Noel Biderman's email as well. The release of the cheating sites data has spawned a small scammer industry as people scramble to find a way to have their information deleted from the leaks. Wired reports: "The new release is accompanied by the note: 'Hey Noel, you can admit it's real now.' The message is likely a response to assertions made by the company's former CTO this week, who tried hard to convince reporters after the first leak occurred that the data dump was fake."
I don't give a fuck! Not even a flying fuck at a rolling donut, you motherfuckers!!
How many suicides and divorces and single-parent homes will this lead to...
The whole operation of Ashley Madison - at least what is described of them in wikipedia - is crooked. I have no respect for such an operation that is built on lies and deceit. However, hacking them and dumping their data publicly is illegal regardless of what they are doing (and to the best of my understanding while Ashley Madison did immoral things, they were not illegal things).
If the hackers want to shut down Ashley Madison they might accomplish that, but they have also shown in so doing that there is a market demand for the services they provided, which will just cause someone else - presumably with better network security practices - to launch an identical service.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
Otherwise, they're going to miss out on all the fun. I mean, the US Army said they didn't like this conduct of their soldiers, so adding a lot of known emailaddresses for high ranking officials could be fun.
More suggestions for the next release: contacting some well-known figures in advance, and extorting money from them. Yeah I know - a lot of scammers are already trying that one. Too bad. You could still give it a try though. Adding a few presidential candidates in the mix would be entertaining too.
My hope is that this will teach people to use fake accounts when signing up for these services and only pay in cash, or with anonymous payment options. Probably idle hope...
Therefore, by the (faulty) logic you're using, you're just a cow with a keyboard - osu-neko (2604)
The thing that is really concerning about this AM hack is not the data being real. I'm sure it MOSTLY is.
The problem is that the hackers could ALSO have added a handful of entries for people they hate for whatever reason. Even if AM could verify they were not a customer, would anyone believe them?
You also have to wonder, how much did the hackers make from pre-accepting payments for deletion from the master set they are releasing...
It will be very interesting going forward who is rapidly identified as being in the database... especially political figures.
You have to wonder, how did someone find Josh Duggar in there so quickly? Were they tipped off?
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Christmas is August.
My sympathy for people whose names may have been revealed in this data breach is exactly zero.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
This is awesome. The suspicious xians are the only people stupid enough to believe in that made-up marriage garbage, and now their lies are coming back to bite them. They lie and say marriage exists and is real then they're proven to have taken that lie even farther. I love how every minister in the town I live in has been proven to have had an account there. That proves all of those Republicans are liars. Liars. Athena was the Greek goddess of wisdom which is why Republicans hate her. Again, lack of wisdom destroys their own lives and the house of lies their kind tries to build. Maybe this will slow down their war on women. This is even a bigger deal than the papers leaked from the Ramstein Air Base Affair.
I wonder how many of these outed AM customers where all hemming and hawing about gay marriage ruining the sanctity of their marriage.
I need to get out of IT and join the divorce law industry.
They paid to get screwed.
Seems they are getting their money's worth.
When people first get married, they are very committed to each other. Then, as with so much else in life, the grass on the other side starts to look greener. All that proves is that people change - but it doesn't mean that we need to abandon the concept of lifelong, committed marriages, just that people need be marriage preparation so the cooling of the first ardour isn't such a shock. And given that marriage is by far the best environment to bring up children, anything that destroys that environment is a BAD THING. There is something deeply perverse about the massive reaction to child abuse allegations, but generally relaxed attitude to divorce where there are kids. They are both catastrophic for the kids involved...
Anyone know a publically traded law firm specializing in divorce law? I have this feeling it would be a great time to invest in some shares!
When the federal government didn't revoke the clearances of the users of AM that were cleared and one of them gets blackmailed by the Chinese into doing something illegal. I'd bet good money that the Chinese scrambled to get ahold of this data and cross reference it for some easy targets.
Funny thing is, this data isn't time sensitive. Most of the people on the list probably won't be caught by their spouse because it's unlikely that most spouses will think they need to check. That and the federal employee and contractor labor force is several million people and only a few tens of thousands of email addresses were implicated.
I guess there's people into that.
So the only thing this proves is that humans are not monogamous. The thing the hacker should think of is if this prostitution is better than having two consenting people having an affair and bring some extra spice into their life.
These hackers are dumb trying to impose their moral judgement on people that just want to feel some excitement in line with our nature. The sooner we give up our pretentious believes in the Holywood romance, the sooner we can get healthy long term relationships.
and getting caught in the rain?
Where do I find the data dump?
with no "takers". such is life.
...stolen from the hacker's files!
Like: “Sure, Miss Wong, I’ll let you use my login!” — SecuritySupervisor@opm.gov.
100% authentic!*
*Which is to say, every bit as authentic as the vast majority of "women" you can contact on Ashley Madison...
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This new batch isn't more customers. They released all the AM customers already.
The new batch is other internal data from AM.
The articles have been kinda misleading in that they suggest that AM customers have more to worry about. No, their info was all leaked right away. It's the management of AM that may still have more to worry about. (In particular, I expect that emails about their creation of fake profiles may constitute evidence of fraud and lead to criminal charges.)
or someone to use Godwins Law. Cmon you guys it's open season.
Your counter argument depends on a false analogy. Wearing a short skirt is not at all like attempting to commit adultery.
To pretend that someone caught cheating is similarly a victim is a really offensive position to take. People are entitled to wear anything they want without threat of sexual assault. People are not entitled to commit adultery without risk of being discovered.
One must go out of their way to have an affair, whereas sexual assault can happen to anyone without provocation.
Fortunately Slashdot readers are pretty savvy, I doubt too many people will be fooled by your false equivocation.
I'd say yes, it is that difficult for people to be that honest with their life partner. If it was so easy we probably wouldn't have an entire marital therapy industry, complete with entire sections at bookstores devoted to relationship advice, various professional qualifications and so on.
Even people who want to monogamous and only want to sleep with their partners find sex a total emotional minefield, difficult to discuss and so on. I don't know a married man over the age of 30 who hasn't complained about his sex life. And even a few who have made an honest effort with their spouses to be honest with their partners and not made improvements. And none of them have otherwise broken relationships.
Other than pathological personality types and totally broken relationships, I'd bet most sex driven affairs are started by men who are unhappy with the quantity or quality of their sex lives, or at least that's my personal perception and the general opinion of most other married men I've talked to.
Of course so many things contribute you can't hardly list them all -- children, careers, money, appearance (your partner's or your own self image), boredom, emotional engagement, stress, cultural messages, booze, and the fact that people just plain change over time and the person you're married to today isn't identical to the person you married 10, 20, 30 or more years ago.
I'd also wager there's an evolutionary biology component, where women's libidos fade as they approach menopause and/or after having kids and simply lose interest. I think it's probably an evolutionary biology kind of thing because the risk of birth defects rise with the age of the mother and childbearing (and rearing) is more physically and emotionally straining as they age. Couple this with an evolutionary biology angle to partner selection by men (young, fertile, etc) and you have a built-in recipe for male-initiated affairs.
I want 5000 additional counts of infidentially to be taken into account !!
> Given that the customer list is 95% male, I'd rephrase that to "attempted" cheating.
> I'd put money on number of guys that actually got lucky as a direct result of the site being no more than a rounding error compared to the total.
That seems to assume a one-to-one relationship between males and females, which is odd for a site that seems to be advocating for many-to-one relationships.
So, Gawker is just fine with going over the lurid details of someone's sex life here, but they've also claimed that was verbotten at other times. I can't really keep up with their stance on this, other than that it seems to shift with the wind. Ahh well, just another good reason not to fall for the clickbait.
... was in the data dump. It seems he was having a secret fling with the Democratic Party.
Have gnu, will travel.
Does anyone have the number of the good divorce attorney?
Asking for a friend.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Way back when Heidi Fleiss got arrested for running a prostitution ring, and her list of clients fell into the hands of the police, my first thought was: if it were *me*, I'd have:
a) had a backup copy, and
b) been regularly adding high-ranking authorities (for instance: the chief of police) to the list of clients. In a diary fashion, interspersed (in the records) with the appointments of real clients.
For b) especially, having dates and times when the high-ranking official is known to be away from home, such as noon times if they have a day job, or adding verifiable corroborating information such as "and he came in soaking wet" on rainy days and such, would have gone a long way towards giving Ms. Fleiss some leverage.
Ah well... people don't think ahead in these modern times.
Apropos of nothing, I saw this on a friend's twitter feed:
ME: Hunny, did you have an Ashley Madison account?
HER: What?! No!
ME: Damn. That would have made what I'm about to say, a lot easier.
I signed up a while ago and had a hot night with a GILF named Hillary.
Should I be worried?
Way to go guys, now if I click top right to open comments on the reposted poll, it doesn't go anywhere until I expand options.
Honesty may be the best policy, but by process of elimination, dishonesty is the second best policy.
Trustily only searches by email address. Do you know Josh Duggar's email address? Much less the one email address he would have felt secure enough with to sign up for AM?
To search by name, you have to download a 9+GB torrent...
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
4.4 million total viewers and posted a 3.5 household rating
So what? You seriously think there's not someone even MORE famous, or good for gossip, in that set of data?
Why Josh, of all people, to be first there? It's not like I'm a fan, or car at all about what people think of him. I just find it odd that his is the only well-known name floated, and it happened just hours after the release of the data.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
If you're going to sign up for some site like Fetlife, don't use your real name! Oh, gotta pay to get the good connections? Hmmmmm, I never did that as too dangerous with real credit cards. Though I heard you can buy throwaway credit card (buy $250 in cash for and use for smut sites).
People are different. As you get older you'll start to understand this.
A game developer fucks five dudes in the game industry (at least one of whom is cheating on his wife while the game developer is also cheating on her boyfriend) and feminists and social justice warriors and game journalists lose their fucking shit over the fact that people are upset with it (not because of the fucking, but because of the corruption involved in fucking people you're writing about or assigning people to write about).
Some random people nobody has ever heard of have extramarital affairs (presumably but not necessarily behind their spouse's back) and suddenly it's totally okay to hate on them and judge them and attack them.
And the lesson to be learned is that once you post 'stuff' on the Internet then it is no longer private and it could come back to haunt you at any time.
If you have Writ's Leg, and a tome of Town Portal, he's on the other side of a portal.
Please excuse me for posting as AC, hope you can understand.
I am a single, widowed senior. I have tried several dating sites over the last couple of years. The business practices of this industry are often shady - credit card purchases in the English isles which don't have credit card customer protections as in the US, for example. And the women on the sites are often fictitious.
However, on a lark, I tried AM after some other dating sites. I found a woman, also semi retired, also single, and we have had a great relationship over the last couple of months, and this one may last. We both went on AM because we had tired of other dating sites, not looking for affairs with married people.
Not looking forward to these disclosures, but I really don't have anything to hide, despite posting as AC.
The disdain some posters show for AM customers is not that misguided IMHO - if you are married, and you have problems, you should work on your marriage.
Having said these things...this is kind of fun to watch.
Most states' conspiracy convictions require an "overt act" in furtherance of the conspiracy in order to separate it from idle talk. Signing up for a website advertising with the slogan '...have an affair' would seem to meet this.
First off how do we know that the hackers used exclusively Ashley Madison data? If there is no way to validate that, how can the data be trusted? What if random phone book or data from other sites were included in the data dump? Why are people just blinding trusting it? Are they that dumb?
Sorry I want to see proof that it's not contaminated with spurious data from other sites or public sources so that the hackers can hit their 37 million number.
Obviously all the people that cheated on their spouses is sad. Its all betrayal and treachery.
The actually shocking betrayal though was the response by Ashely Madison to not shut down.
An establishment like that has an ethical obligation to protect the identities of its clients. Obviously their security was poor. But ignoring that, they were given an ultimatum and they should have caved. Instead they put the survival of the site above the security of the client and since the survival of the site is existentially threatened by the security, they can't maintain the site and betray their clients.
But they did.
This makes it clear that if you deal with them... they'll betray you the same way you're betraying your spouse.
There's no respect or honor here. Its just weasels screwing each other.
I'm generally pleased the people cheating on their spouses are getting outted. People get upset about the "judgementalism" of that but the same people fail to grasp the hypocrisy in that they're judging others for being judgmental.
You either have judgements of people or you have no opinion. I choose to have opinions. Those that have opinions that other people shouldn't have opinions are fucking retards. I don't really have a strong enough insult to sum up what fucking lackwit, slackjawed, nitwits they are... and that's not really the most irritating thing about them. the TRULY obnoxious thing about them is that they don't know they're morons and people don't label them as such with impunity.
Frankly I think the people that don't like the judgements are mostly trying to protect themselves from quite righteous contemplations.
I've decided to stop wasting my time responding to AC trolls/sockpuppets... so if you want a response from me... login.
It is not only the creation of fake profiles. I hope they uncover people paid to pose as interested parties to make you go from trial to paid user for instance. When I was single and in a country where the majority of people did not interest me as a partner, I opened a profile in a site for singles, and sure enough, in the first week I had some a couple of women seeking to talk with me, but the data did not compute. The race, the name and their tongue when you considered them together did not compute. The kicker was that for you to sustain a dialogue with them, you add to upgrade from the "free" profile to the paid one. Most of the sites do that...
A lot of dating sites are scams. Locally they now have a branch organisation that tries to weed out the worst offenders but it's hard work. And even if the organisation itself does not scam, there's plenty of "women" trying to make a few bucks by scamming the desperate.
Therefore, by the (faulty) logic you're using, you're just a cow with a keyboard - osu-neko (2604)
I realize we're all getting a chuckle out of cheaters being outed on the Internet, but still this kinda sucks. Today it may be AshleyMadison, but what if tomorrow it's bank records? I can't say I'm happy about these hackers doing that, only for what it may mean in the future.
Textbook case for FUD for Ashley Madison and plausible deniability for the cheaters.
Anyway, I'm 75% sure in a few days people will look back at it and have a good laugh...
I would wager large sums of internets that most of those accounts were either inactive, or fakes.
Met a woman who hadn't had sex in over 4 years. Her husband stopped touching her after her last child. We had sex. It was great. I never learned her real name. She felt better about herself afterwards and left her husband (not for me, but just because).
My spouse had a medical condition which left us without sex for 5 years. I say 'spouse', but we weren't actually married, we lived together. I approached her about an open relationship, she didn't like it. She stopped trying to address her medical condition and didn't have much of a sex drive. I broke up with her, but she didn't seem to want to listen to me, and nothing changed. So I joined AM and had an affair. I was desparate.
After the affair, I kicked her out of the house. One of the hardest things to do because I was in love with her. It takes a *long* time and a *lot* of sexual frustration to kick somebody out over something like this. It's something that lived with me for over a decade. The guilt over the affair? Didn't last more than a few years.
So yep, there are women on that site. Great that people can now look them up, and hey, I can find her real name! And hey, my present spouse can look me up and find my inactive account from 10 years ago! Yay!
Fucking idiot white knight hackers.
Naziism is for cows! Nazis are all cows! Mooooooooooooooooo!
Why is it that so many married people felt the need to cheat on their spouse? That's the real issue here I think. Putting aside for a moment the stupidity of signing up at a public website and entrusting them with your intimate and personal details. Kind of sounds like Facebook, but i digress.
Are there really that many married couples that are so unhappy that they feel the need to seek intimacy outside their marriage? Apparently so. This is just a theory but I think that some of this is due to punitive divorce settlements. A lot of people might say that if a guy is unhappy he should just get a divorce. OK, but then your ex gets half of your assets. And probably majority custody of the kids. You might even get stuck paying alimony as well. Not to mention attorney fees.
So for some guys (and women too) it's easier and far cheaper to get a piece on the side. I'm not condoning this behavior I'm just pointing out a possible reason as to why it is happening. If it were easier and less costly to get a divorce then maybe there would be less cheating?
It would be nice if a wonderful rich person would offer something like $1,000,000+ in exchange for the actual identities, addresses and pictures of the Impact Team members responsible for getting and uploading the data.
Out of the 30 million account holders where almost 90% were male would love to have that information. I know I would.
I would probably then be one of the first to find one of the Impact Team members...
And once I did I would give him an impact from an aluminum baseball bat enough times to make him un-recognizable to the coroner.
Yes. The Ashley Madison subscribers are cheaters... But the Impact Team illegally stealing and outing that data - deserves even more severe punishment. Yes. I would "impact" every one of those motherfuckers if given the opportunity. They should pray they are never outed.
When are people goign to realize that the state of Privacy on the internet is DONE. SSL is broken, most security measures put in place are circumvented, Ashley Madison ( great security behemoth, we can hold ur PRIVATE data no problem) company has been hacked. HMO's, healthcare industries, the Stock market, target, ythe list goes on..
I am sure the Banks are compromised as well, either they are not telling us, or they dont know.. Either way thats a bad situation to be in..
Lets wake up people.. We have been lured by convenience and complacency, how to cut the "proverbial cord"?
Whats even more disturbing, is this issue has garnered more responses than the article abut Intel's cancer cure cloud.
an article which describes a method for medical researchers to share, collaborate, and potentially come up with a solution to one of the wolds greatest killer(our selves), has less popularity then this garbage..
Come on, Really?
I wonder if this'll finally teach the post-Facebook generation not to use their real names on the internet?
(I know, I know...)
-- sudon't
Air-ride Equipped
I know you intended that as a rhetorical question, but let's pretend you didn't. Have you thought about finding out the answer to that question?
Obviously, this would mean you couldn't just draw on your personal experiences and circumstances. You'd take a poll or something, getting respondent to estimate the difficulty, say on a scale of 1 to 10.
What do you predict the average 1-10 scale difficulty number will be?
From your post, I think you're saying that most people are going to give it a 1 or 2, maybe. But then there are the replies that you got, suggesting that some people (self-selected people who disagree with you and silence from those who agree) would rate it higher. Does this lead you to revise your earlier estimate?
I guess what I'm saying, is that it's pretty difficult. I think a lot of people succeed at doing it (I have) but belittling the various problems associated with it, just might be dumb.
The comment you made that started this is:
Emphasis mine. So no, you are not just judging him for being a hypocrite for his actions, but also judging the moral position that he was failing to meet.
He deserves to be judged as imperfect, but ridiculing people because they are imperfect is, I fear, being hypocritical if one is not perfect oneself.
He's a damn child molester, has admitted to it publicly and he's gotten away with it.
Not only does he deserves to be ridiculed everything he does or says, he deserves to be a in fucking prison.
Since this guy is a repeat scum ball with two daughters, I have to wonder when they're going to make it to his list.
Or as a security measure, add lots of email addresses of celebrities and politicians and make sure that emails can be falsified so as to create deniable plausibility in the event that the database is compromised.