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Malaysia Blocking Websites Based On Political Content
An anonymous reader writes: A few days ago Slashdot carried a piece of news from Malaysia whereby [news] websites based in Malaysia must be registered. Now comes the news that Malaysia is actively blocking websites which carry political opinion contrary to those of the ruling elite.
Granted, Malaysia is no US of A nor Europe, but the world must understand that Malaysia is the only country in the world where racial apartheid laws are still being actively practiced — and have received endorsement from the ruling elite which has controlled Malaysia for the past 58 years.
(Wikipedia lists some other candidates for modern-day apartheid in its entry on Contemporary segregation.)
Malaysia is actively blocking websites which carry political opinion contrary to those of the ruling elite.
Only a matter if time friends. The new world standard. Except in the US, websites won't be blocked, instead, those who dare to speak out will be labeled bad guys and imprisoned without their due course. And the rest of the many will go along with it.
Those scenes from Star Wars I grew up with. Indeed. Liberty goes down in a hail of praise as the emperor takes stage. Ready the Death Star so nobody can ever oppose them.
Raise the middle finger and be censored or worse. That's liberty 2015 style.
Gotta make Malaysia look all nice and 'stuff'.. Or was that Burma?
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
if you want a revolution, you need only kill those in power, not fight their army.
To a news article where you have to "answer a question" to see it. There must be dozens of reputable news sites with the story and you link to an unknown "bignewsnetwork"? Does slashdot even have anyone checking submissions?
Don't be such a anti-semite. Going against the state sanctioned narrative supporting Israel and the white genocide will only get moded down.
You were very wise to post anonymously.
What constitutional racism does Israel have? Its Declaration of Independence and the Basic Laws that act as its constitution are very clear that any kind of racial or religious discrimination is illegal. There are Arabs in the government. There are Arabs on the Supreme Court. There are Arab doctors, professors, business owners, university students, high-tech employees. On the other hand, there are not only no Jews living in Jordan, but by law it is a captial offense to sell property to a Jew. There is constitutional racism.
If Malaysia practices apartheid, why is the civilized world not boycotting, divesting from, and sanctioning this country? This is what happens to countries that practice apartheid. It worked on South Africa and it can work again on Malaysia.
I wasn't even aware of this until I read the summary, and I read a lot of international news.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Israeli currency is labelled in both Hebrew and Arabic.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
There may have been black doctors, politicians et al living in 1950s segregated America but anyone that would claim blacks weren't heavily discriminated against because the US Constitution supposedly protected them is living in an alternative universe. Claiming there is no institutionalized discrimination in Israel is even more absurd. It's blatantly obvious that many Jews in Israel have been extreme nationalists that are engaged in a slow pogrom to not only eject non-Jews but to continue to expand Israel's borders.
That said, there is certainly racism in Palestine too and that shouldn't be swept under the carpet nor should the double standards in much of the Arab world that obsess on Israel.. .then don't look at how they treat non-Muslims in their own countries. In Saudi Arabia, allegedly our allies against Islamofascists like Isis and Al Qaeda, they still behead people for apostasy and homosexuality. The government there make Israel's inhumane treatment of Palestinians look like a human rights.
On the contrary... most countries have some level of institutionalized racism. This is because there is an unresolved conflict between democratic rule and national identity.
Unfortunately having an adult public debate about it is next to impossible for the political class. On the one side you have the extreme left that typically slanders anyone that points this problem out as racist or fascist (nearly the entire "human rights" industry falls in this category) On the other you have the extreme right that goes to great lengths to conform to the stereotype.
to the real world.
Yeah, you know me!
African-Americans are persecuted all over the world. Aparthide must end.
Arabs in the government ? I think Lieberman would be the most virulent opponent to that notion (with Netanyahu and Naftali Benett among many others). Ayoob Kara is an Arab, yes, but check his alliances...
Israelis Jews don't like Arabs in general. Just go in Israel, you'll witness it first hand. If you think USA in the 50's were bad, Israel is a whole another crap hole...
Israel is de facto an apartheid nation (remember that Israel was the last entity working with South Africa when apartheid was in place ?).
A israeli jew, by law (you know about the Torah right ?) cannot sell its property to an non-jew (arab or otherwise), chekpoints for arabs, house destructions, land stealings, separate transportation for each "race", constant humiliation etc.
And the most important thing : the whole state of Israel has been taken by force in 1948 !
Why would you defend such a country ?
A for the comparison between Jordan and Israel ? Are you kidding ? Nobody care about Jordan (Sorry jordanians, I don't intend it to be insulting). Jordan doesn't receive billions from the US for its defense (though it receives money from the US to sustain its economy). The king of Jordan don't go to the US congress to insult the president in place. There's no AIPAC equivalent for Jordan, etc.
PS : you're never wise to post anonymously.
I have been living in Malaysia / Singapore since 2012, on a work-related assignment.
My previous assignment took me to Israel, for a 3-year contract.
As a Brit I have to say that racism does occur in both countries, albeit with a not-so-subtle difference:
In Israel, the laws do not favor any one race ...
... while in Malaysia the laws are stacked against the minorities ,
Every conceivable law and regulation favors the majority Malay race ---
From the issuance of Taxi Permit to the paying of income taxes ...
From the purchasing of houses, to university enrollment...
... the minorities, be it the Indians, the real indigenous (locally known as "Orang Asli"), the Chinese, and the mixed races, bear the brunt of legal discrimination.
But please, do not take my word for it ...
http://world.time.com/2013/09/...
Officially sanctioned apartheid in Malaysia has been in place since the 70s. My family and I were placed under house arrest by machine-gun toting police in '79 because my father refused to play along with the government's desire to rob him of his company. We had a friend in the government who attempted to protect us but was murdered in a faked helicopter crash, at which point we decided to leave and were smuggled out with false papers by the British embassy.
I'm guessing Malaysia is run by a theocratic government. This disguises the country's true nature but the "past 58 years" fact confirms Malaysia is a mild version of North Korea.
Blocking a free press is a sign that something is badly wrong in Government.
https://represent.cc/1341/bersih4
One thing about Malaysia is that the ruling regime invested very heavily in professional spin-doctors, with their history-twisting lies, in order to hide all the ugly truths
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/tv-radio/special-investigation-tv-company-takes-millions-from-malaysian-government-to-make-documentaries-for-bbc-about-malaysia-2338813.html
The message I am replying to is one of those beautifully crafted piece filled with fact-twisting half-truths
To jblues,
Please spread your bullshit somewhere else!
The Malays did not have 'thousands of years' of history nor culture on Malaysia.
The Malay arrived in Malaysia from Sumatra of Indonesia. Even their own history books have noted that Parameswara, a defeated prince from Sumatra, running from his enemies, landed on the shore of the Pininsular, some six hundred years ago
However, there is one people in Malaysia who can trace their ancestry back to thousands of years - the Orang Asli, the TRUE aborigines
All of you are invited to find out the truth for yourself, instead of listening to professional soothsayers paid by the racist regime which is now controlling Malaysia. I will only include a single link, to illustrate how the Orang Asli are being treated by the Malay authority ---
http://www.culturalsurvival.org/ourpublications/csq/article/orang-asli-odds-with-nation-state
Every single time anyone talks about Malaysia in any of the open forum on the Net, professional fact-twisters will definitely show up to defend the Malay regime.
A person wishing to leave Islam in Malaysia may apply for a certificate to do so from the Shariah courts - this is a legal right
Don't you ever get tired of spreading your lies, jblues??
To all, if you really want to know the truth, please go find out what has happened to Ms. Lina Joy, a Malay Muslim who converted into Christianity and ended up being forcefully locked up and is being brain-washed by the Malay regime.
The following link tells all !
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
We have this problem in Sweden, whose previous mishandling of massive inflows of immigrants has already started leading to ghettoisation.
The Left here refuses even to discuss this, thus ceding the debate to Sverigedemokraterna (the right-wingers) before it's even begun.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
What constitutional racism does Israel have?
Its immigration policy is overtly, deliberately and specifically racist: Jews get priority right of residence.
The US and the Soviet constitutions are/were very clear about a lot of things utterly ignored in practice.
Of course, Malaysia and Israel are not the only two consitutionally racist countries.
Nobody has forgotten, it's just not mentioned to avoid heated arguments that are a sidetrack to discussions about Malaysia. The "wild west" stuff with the settlers running the locals off their reservation even bounces it back into comparisons to the USA some time back.
Al Jazeera and the government sponsored news from NK are blocked from being aired in the USA. Stuff is blocked because of USA DMCA law. Images are blocked because of US definitions of underage. Even when the sites aren't in the USA or hosted in the USA or owned by anyone with anything IN the USA.
So, really, until the USA gets its act together, I really REALLY don't give a shit what other countries do to block stuff on the internet IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY ONLY.
http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Persecution_of_Ex-Muslims_(Malaysia)
http://michellemalkin.com/2006/08/25/the-persecution-of-lina-joy/
Whatever anyone says that Malaysia is an open-minded country, please consult the links above
Israel has no constitution.
Try not to let the facts slam your face into the wall on the way out.
If you were truly looking to denounce racism you could not denounce Israel without also denouncing the far more virulent racism endemic in Islamic countries. Nah, you just think that your racism is justified.
Democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding what to have for lunch. Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the issue
The mainstream press in "liberal" countries also block based on political content. You can even be prosecuted for a tweet these days.
Should people in glass houses throw stones?
I'm not as much trying to denounce racism as I'm trying to state some facts.
I'm not a "denounciator", that's why the comment above "denouncing" me as a SJW made me laugh. Hard.
For me to denounce Israel, I'd also have to denounce other racist countries ? What's the logic with that ? Israel is racist *because* of the surrounding mulsim slates ? Come on ! They're even racist between themselves ! Talk to a sepharadic jews who is constantly refered to as an "arab" by its ashkenazi brethren...
To be clear, I wasn't denouncing racism, I was describing racism in Israel.
Of course, blaming someone else for your problems may occur because someone else is ensuring you fail. Pretending that you're not at fault is what every psychopath tells themselves, and any listener. It's always "God made me do it" or "Satan made me do it!" or "You deserved it".
Maybe even if they tried, the arabs would not get ahead because the Israelis would not let them. After all, you seem to have no problem at all with Malaysia, North Korea, Iran, Cuba or China holding people back from their potential by force of corrupt government. What makes you think it impossible here?
An SJW criticizing Israel and an anonymous coward shooting himself in the foot. Way to go Mr Rebel :)
Have you noticed that you didn't respond in any way to my post and just thrown an epithet in my face ? Truth be told, I wrote about Israel in a topic about Malaysia, I'm to blame too...
I know in some places near the border, they have different coloured water tanks, one for Israeli homes and one for Palestinian homes. I always found that creepy.
The "wild west" stuff with the settlers running the locals off their reservation even bounces it back into comparisons to the USA some time back.
This Land Is Mine.
Look, seriously, Nobody does ethnic cleansing like the Jews. You think the politicians who created the nation of Israel were aware of history? I'm sure they were. They put the Jews there just to shit on the natives. So far, so good, right? And We The People of the USA pour gasoline on that bonfire every year. Your tax dollars at work.
This is not to say that all Jews are bad people. It's to say that Zionism is another typical evil. You know, like the USA, founded on theft, rape, and oppression. What a surprise that today we are still stealing, raping, and oppressing... and funding genocide that we're too cowardly to handle ourselves. Genocide by proxy, that's the most convenient way!
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Insightful? Hmm.
Do you really know the situation in Malaysia, or are you arguing out of some emotional arousal?
The Malaysian constitution prescribes favorable allotment of jobs and university places to the members of the ruling, majority, ethnicity, the Malays. And this is not just in writing but implemented. Malaysian citizens of Chinese or Indian ethic background see it happen that a student with straight 'A's is denied a university education in the public universities while a mediocre Malay student is gladly admitted. Wow! There is even a university with 140000 students exclusively for students of Malay ethnicity. Check UiTM in WikIpedia if in doubt. Malays get monthly allowances for their kids, the others ethic groups don't.
All chancellors of all universities are Malays, almost all deans (with very few exceptions) are Malays due to the constitutional 'preferences'.
I think I can stop here, and I am arguing based on 12 years as university lecturer in said country.
Now the ball is in your court: I don't have much of insight into Israel, maybe you can enlighten me on the situation in Israel, please? Maybe I can learn something from that.
Then you're a moral relativist intent on seeing the transgressions of one side while ignoring those of the other. In sum a hypocrite. Spare us your moral judgements, you have no basis for forming any.
Democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding what to have for lunch. Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the issue
Claiming there is no institutionalized discrimination in Israel is even more absurd
Institutionalised discrimination and constitutional racism are two very different things. One is against the law but tolerated and ignored, the other is enshrined in law. The latter is many orders of magnitude worse.
Israel has a very simple choice to make. They can either recognise Palestine as an independent state, giving them back control over their economy and borders, or they can continue to insist that Palestine does not exist and give the Palestinian population the vote in Israeli elections.
They choose to do neither. The limbo that Palestine exists in today is very much a constitutional apartheid.
"What constitutional racism does Israel have?"
From what I have heard their 'constitution' uses the term 'Jewish state'.
And using racist terms makes something racist.
Just like saying a Country is a 'white state', or an 'Arab state', or a 'Aryan state'.
Israel has no single formal written document in the sense Americans would think of as "The Constitution" (with uppercase to remind us how really really important it is). But to say it has no constitution is a notion you'd be disabused of in Law 101.
Israel's constitutional law begins with (Basic Laws of Israel), so there's even more formality than e.g. England+Wales, which has one of the oldest extant formulations of an unwritten constitution. Perhaps you were having trouble finding them, so knock yourself out.
Now, there is a recent bill for a Basic Law which codifies Israel utterly as a racist state, with self-determination reserved for Jewish people. But this hasn't passed.
However, there are a few explicit mentions of Israel as Jewish already within the Basic Laws, from Jewish festivals to the inability to be elected to the Knesset (parliament) if you explicitly or implicitly reject that Israel is both "Jewish and democratic". This'd be like peppering the US Constitution with comments that the USA is "white". However, it's more in the application than the explicit wording of Basic Laws (e.g. on gaining citizenship, military conscription, exceptions to freedom of movement, settlement) that racist policy ends up appearing.
Posting as LIEberal hippie Jew whose family emigrated from Israel a few years ago. I have an incredible respect for the historical struggles faced by Jewish people and their resultant desire to set up their own safe place, and feel sadness at the way the US has used Israel as a military tool, so Arab hatred toward the US for intervention in the Middle East has become Arab hatred for Israel. I'm not sure what the solution is, now, but I'd go with more conciliatory jaw-jaw in the post-WW2 European style, and less fear-and-anger war-war in the American style. War won't end war.
Wow, you don't even realize that Israelites are not considered white.
"Malaysia is the only country in the world where racial apartheid laws are still being actively practiced" Never heard of Israel, I suppose: http://www.itisapartheid.org/l...
So you basically have low comprehension skills, you are quick to form an opinion with these aforementioned skills (or lack of) and you're prone to insult others in consequence of all that.
What a delight to talk to you !
You read (some of it) here first...
"One of only 2 countries in the world with constitutional racism, Israel being .."
Only two? Here are a few more. Feel free to add more
1. Saudi (No rights for non-muslims) ...
2. UAE, (No rights for non-muslims)
3. Pakistan (non-muslims cannot become head of the state).
More appropriately, Israel won't respect the fundamental human rights of a significant number of people and commits systematically the acts of ethnic cleansing. Constitutional racism is not so likely, but the property, land and others laws might very well be racist, or at least systematically biased against a section of population.
If you were truly looking to denounce racism you could not denounce Israel without also denouncing the far more virulent racism endemic in Islamic countries. Nah, you just think that your racism is justified.
Dude, when you're denouncing one injustice that does not put the onus on you to denounce every injustice.
Moreover you're insane if you think Islamic states are more racist then anyone else. India, for example, has institutionalized Affirmative Action that most American minority-rights groups would look at funny. The Chinese are racist enough that the Dalia Lama's people have been forced into low-grade rebellion and the poor East Turkestanis are in trouble (not that Israel's friends care: they're Muslim). Even in the US our law enforcement community makes a point of almost always coming down really hard on black teenage shenanigans (including shooting kids in the head for taking the orange rubber thing off the tip of their toy guns) while excusing many white teenage shenanigans as horseplay.
Then you're a moral relativist intent on seeing the transgressions of one side while ignoring those of the other. In sum a hypocrite. Spare us your moral judgements, you have no basis for forming any.
Question:
If I denounce the Nazis, how much space do I have to devote to denouncing Stalin before you decide I'm a "moral relativist intent on seeing the transgressions of one side while ignoring the other?"
They do and they don't. They have somethings called their "Basic Law" that fulfill the role of the Constitution. These are Constitutional in the sense that they can only be changed explicitly (ie: if Bibi wanted to start seizing property without compensation he'd have to amend the Basic Law banning that), but can be changed by simple majority vote in the Knesset. This system is pretty much identical to the one used by the Brits.
The anonymous coward post below actually has pretty good info in it.
If Israel had formally annexed the Palestinian lands and expelled the Palestinians all their "Apartheid" problems would be gone today. They would have secure borders and no terrorist problems. Of course that would be a war crime, and the Jews are too soft to actually do that.
Good goy. It is the Israelites that are doing the genocide.
Ayoob Kara is an Arab, yes, but check his alliances...
So an Arab isn't really an Arab if his opinions do not align with what you think an Arab should believe in? Or do you think that Netanyahu's government should have accepted an Arab minister who has an ideology very different than the government's, merely because they are Arab?
Israel is de facto an apartheid nation
Most of that sentence was opinion, so I cut it out. You are entitled to yours, of course (what's more, it is impossible to really prove or disprove to anyone's satisfaction). This part, however, requires more clarification. How can you claim that a country where you can and do find Arab judges judging disputes between Jewish parties, Arab doctors treating Jewish patients, etc is a de-facto apartheid? You do not seem to be using any standard definition of the word that I'm aware of. If this is a result of my ignorance, please do enlighten me, but it seems like the definition you are using is "whatever the dictionary says + whatever it is that I believe, irrespective of facts, that Israel is doing", which is another way of saying "dictionary definition + Israel".
A israeli jew, by law (you know about the Torah right ?) cannot sell its property to an non-jew (arab or otherwise)
The Torah has no binding effect in Israeli court of law, except for very special courts that are only authorized to handle family matters (i.e. - divorces) between all Jews parties. Before you go all giddy with finding another aspect of Israel's apparent segregation, yes, there are parallel Muslim courts.
As for the selling of land, quite a few years ago (I think over a decade, now) the supreme court told KKL, a private organization that, due to historical reasons, holds quite a few lands in Israel, that it is not allowed to discriminate against selling to Arabs, because the volume of lands it is holding creates a de facto racial discrimination.
chekpoints for arabs, house destructions, land stealings, separate transportation for each "race", constant humiliation etc.
But, see, that does not apply to all Arabs, doesn't it? And if it does not, then claiming that it has a racial, rather than, say, security and/or citizenship, reasons is a claim that, at the very least, needs further discussion. What is obviously clear, however, is that you cannot claim racial discrimination while ignoring the fact that the separating line between those who do and those who don't isn't racial.
This is doubly hypocritical now, only a month after the Israeli government (yes, that's Netanyahu's government) started applying these measures against extremist Jews suspected of trying to hurt Arabs.
Don't get me wrong. I hate those measures and I believe Israel should find a more democratic means to resolve the real problems it is facing, but claiming that the reasons for those measures is racism is simply ludicrous.
And the most important thing : the whole state of Israel has been taken by force in 1948 !
I find it hard to explain just how widely inaccurate, and even apocryphal, that claim is. I'd gladly go into the details in private (my email is in this, and every other one of my, comment headers). It is widely off topic here. Truthfully, the entire thread is off topic, but this particular subject is also long.
Why would you defend such a country ?
I'm not the original commenter, but I'll answer anyway: I'm not defending such a country. I'm defending Israel, which isn't such a country.
PS : you're never wise to post anonymously.
Like I said, I'm not the original commenter, but if you need someone not an anonymous coward to respond to, I'm here.
Shachar
muslims are not a race.
I'd mostly agree but quibbling over words constitutional racism or institutionalized racism and Islamic extremists are even worse but it still isn't exactly a get out of jail card. Ultimately the poster was trying to imply that there isn't state sponsored racism against non-Jews in Israel... and that's far from the reality of what's going on.
The extreme Zionist coupled with an unholy alliance of some wacky fundy christians, has effectively silenced most mainstream western press through what Norman Finklestein calls the Holocaust Industry. Essentially if you point out the neo-colonialsim, extreme nationalism, and racism going on among some Jews you are slandered as antisemitic (Finkelstein, who has more integrity in his little pinky than much of Aipac, was shamelessly drummed out of tenure for saying the obvious).
Wow this is some screed
Happy to see someone is able to express arguments, even if I disagree with most of them. A refreshing change in these forums.
A little less of "hypocritical" and "dubious" would be fine though. And putting words in my mouth is very effective but counter-productive in the long-run.
I might take you up on you offer though, maybe we could have productive discussions. Although you're defending Israel and I oppose it and if history is any judge, discussions haven't gotten really far, sadly.
I agree, as I said earlier too, the whole thread is off-topic. It's interesting nonetheless :)
Happy to see someone is able to express arguments, especially since I disagree with most of them. A refreshing change in these forums.
FTFY.
Surely, you meant that you were tired of talking either to hotheads or to people who already agree with you, and that you greatly welcome the opportunity to test your assumptions against someone who's willing to answer with actual verifiable statements of fact, so that you can find out in case you are, against all of your expectations, wrong.
A little less of "hypocritical" and "dubious" would be fine though.
I'll do my best, though I counted one "hypocritical", directed at a statement (i.e. - not at you, but at a statement you made), and zero "dubious", which I'll find hard to cut back further on. If you found offense from the "hypocritical", please do accept my apology. I'll do my best to also assume ignorance rather than malice.
And putting words in my mouth is very effective but counter-productive in the long-run.
I did not think I did. If I did, please:
A. Accept my apology
and
B. Assume I did it out of a genuine misunderstanding rather than malice.
I will be happy (in private, as you said) for you to point out where you thought I attributed to you things you did not say. I am always happy to engage in facts based discussion with people whose opinions I completely disagree, as it allows me to find out my own blind spots and, occasionally, find out that I am wrong about something I believe in.
I might take you up on you offer though, maybe we could have productive discussions.
My email is public for that specific reason.
Although you're defending Israel and I oppose it and if history is any judge, discussions haven't gotten really far, sadly.
The amount of heated, needlessly ad-hominem and derogatory discussions on this topic is, indeed, quite high. It would be a mistake to assume it only happens by Israeli supporters. Personally, I do my best to start each discussion anew, and not apply my opinion of previous speakers to new discussion. I would love for you to give me credit and do the same.
If you are still worried, however, please do feel free to click on to my slashdot page, and then check out earlier comments I've made. This is not the first time I dive into this subject when it comes up here.
I eagerly await your private reply,
Shachar
OTOH, the Chinese and Indian minorities on the peninsula are largely, but not entirely, a product of British Imperialism in the 19th century
Isn't it wonderful that every single time Malaysia comes into the limelight the Professional Fact Twister dutifully appear to perform their fact twisting acts?
First it was jblues and now this NicBenjamin guy --- please do your work before you post your garbage here !
Do you know where the word "Malay' arises from?
If you do not, please consult the ancient Sanskrit language, yes, from India.
The word "Malaya", as well as "Himalaya" as well as "Malayalam" all contain a similar word meaning "mountain" in Sanskrit.
Why the Peninsular is known as "Malaya"?
It was the Indians, yes, those from India, who came to the South East Asia, and established many Hindu empires - from Cambodia to Thailand to Indonesia and yes, on the Peninsular as well ! It was the Indians who termed the Peninsular "Malaya" because of the mountain range stretching from the North (from Thailand) all the way to the South (almost to Singapore)
And yes, that happened way before the British ever knew that the world was round!
Unfortunately, the word "Malay" (or Melayu) had been hijacked by the tribes from Indonesia. They call themselves "Melayu" but they were not from the Peninsular - instead, they were from the Indonesian islands, from Sumatra to Sulawesi to Jawa.
As for the Chinese - there was a seafaring trade route in between the ancient Indian kingdoms with the ancient Chinese kingdoms, and the traders (both Indian and Chinese) plied through South East Asia. In fact, many ancient ship wrecks have been found throughout the South East Asian seafloor with their porcelain cargo dated as way back as more than 2000 years ago.
The so-called 'proto-Malays' were of many tribes - some were sea-faring tribes like the Bugis from Sulawesi (they were mainly pirates) - but the land based ones were mixture (mixed-race) of the seafaring immigrants from India, Indonesia, China, and the Orang Asli
In other words, to say that that the Malays were the 'aborigines' is an insult to the Orang Asli whose presence on the land can be traced as far back as 70,000 to 50,000 years ago (with the big migration straight from Africa)
And lastly, to jblues, NicBenjamin and all other professional fact-twisters:
No matter how much money you are receiving from the racist regime who is controlling Malaysia, basic historical facts can not be changed, no matter how you try.
No, the Jewish people are Semites, so incidentally are the Arab people.
calling it a Jewish state is a lot more like calling it a Christian State
Thank you for providing an example of why mentioning Israel is a pointless sidetrack likely to do nothing apart from start flame wars. True or not it's argument fuel.
Thank you for providing an example of why mentioning Israel is a pointless sidetrack likely to do nothing apart from start flame wars. True or not it's argument fuel.
Yep. I agree wholeheartedly. It's impossible not to have an emotional reaction to the issue one way or another. If it's not directly comparable, it shouldn't be mentioned at all.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Erm, cough, cough, Saudi Arabia is by far the worst offender, not just racially and religious prejudiced but also hugely gender biased. So the no matter how bad any other country is, they run a poor second to Americas best buddies even when those best buddies fly planes into buildings and kill thousands of Americans. If the bribes are big enough and hidden in tax havens, you most certainly can get away with mass murder in the United States of America. Typical act of the political elite, exploit racism and prejudice to keep power, done all over the world and in many countries and even many democracies.
Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
And the most important thing : the whole state of Israel has been taken by force in 1948 !
Why would you defend such a country ?
All countries were made through force. Do you think the Russians lived in Russia since the dawn of time? Do you think the Chinese lived in China since the dawn of time? The only thing unique about Israel is that it was carved out by a third party for them.
Personally, I would nuke the whole area for all of them being jackasses. The Israeli leadership for allowing settling land and bulldozing houses and the Palestinian leadership for never being amenable to any rational agreement and being committed to keeping the Palestinians miserable.
I would be for taking all of the leaders from both sides and publicly executing them but the rot and corruption is too deep. Start with a clean slate and nuke it all. Of course, announce beforehand so reasonable people can leave the area forever.
"Someone needs to talk to the tree of liberty about its ghoulish drinking problem." by ohnocitizen
i had 'Arab state' listed.
and i have no idea what you mean by 'Christian State'.