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Survey: More Women Are Going Into Programming
itwbennett writes: We've previously discussed the dearth of women in computing. Indeed, according to U.S. Bureau and Labor Statistics estimates, in 2014 four out of five programmers and software developers in the U.S. were men. But according to a survey conducted this spring by the Application Developers Alliance and IDC, that may be changing. The survey of 855 developers worldwide found that women make up 42% of developers with less than 1 year of experience and 30% of those with between 1 and 5 years of experience. Of course, getting women into programming is one thing; keeping them is the next big challenge.
Perhaps we could move the craft forward rather than focusing on the players?
Same old, same old.
To quote a famous poster on the old Dice forums: "Your best bet is to abandon IT. Best of luck."
The best bet for these women is to abandon IT. There is no point in continuing on a career path where your job will be outsourced to India & if you make it to 40 years old, you will be tossed out the door for being obsolete.
When I started in the industry, in 1974, there were a significant number of women around and, by comparison, it was a non-sexist workplace.
Fast forward a few decades and one of the brightest students I ever taught - she had a Master's in art history before deciding to become a member of the IT crowd - tells me she's quitting and training to become an "aesthetician" because she is sick and tired of (I paraphrase) being treated like shit because she is female. She is far happier and more relaxed now.
Oh yes, this is a real problem.
>> Percentage of uterus-possessing humans in random field annoys SJWs
I didn't realize it was Friday. Please, go on.
Flexible working ,creche, part time advertised technical role - its rocket science for tech organisations
that is the question !
Looks like it came early this week!
I graduated with a masters degree in CS in 2008, and as such now have 7 years job experience. Watching the other women I graduated with it's entirely a retention issue. The reasons for why they left the field were wildly varying, but I only know of two who graduated with me who are still in the industry out of maybe twenty.
Females in tech are still bumping up against the glass ceiling
I feel for 'em! I'm a guy and I keep bumping up against the glass ceiling, too! I wanna be a multi-millionaire! I would even settle for billionaire!
I keep the sexual harassment forms in the bottom drawer of my desk.
That way when a woman goes to get one, I can check out her ass.
Trolling is a art,
The trend is to hire more of them in all capacities and jettison the men,
The popularity of this I attribute to them being easily dominated by managerial types, men are far more likely to seek a little more parking lot justice than their female counterparts...
All joking aside, I would never exploit that feature myself, but nearly every boss man I ever met would do it in a second. God help us the American workplace is such a fricken joke. So much amazing science goes into how to fuck us that I wouldn't want any human being to be subjected to it.
I would think so given the amount of corporate subsidies and incentives available in the past few years. Lets see what happens when those are removed.
In all my years working in IT I have NEVER seen the kind of behavior that is claimed. Women get out of IT because IT sucks. It's incredibly socially isolating (working with a machine all day). *Most* women want much more inter-personal interaction. That's a fact.
The fact that 48% of first programmers are women does nothing to show more women are getting into programming. It is entirely possible (and maybe probable) that it's been 48% for a long time, and what we're seeing is not more women getting into programming but that a lot of them are getting out again quickly.
Do women programmer's live in their dad's basement? Just asking...
Enough already.
Stories about women in tech always bring out the best in Slashdot readers.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Why the fuck this is news?
...and into management, because that's where the money is. There is a glass ceiling, but it's not for women only, it's for people who want a technological career-ladder which many places do not offer.
It is very common for women to enter IT side in India. In the recent years more women are graduating from college, more women are getting engineering and medical degrees than men in India.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
Let's see, we've given encouragement, incentives and the like to get more women into college -- now women make up nearly 60% of college students.
When was the last time you heard anyone talk about removing the affirmative action for women in college?
To the contrary, Sheryl "Ban Bossy" Sandberg said in an interview that with 60% of college students being women, she expects that 60% of all degrees (in all fields) should be held by women. So not only is 60% female college students not a reason to reverse the affirmative action, but we need to continue affirmative action in any areas where women are not 60% of the population.
The absolute percent in the past year would not be as interesting as the trend line and the derivative of the trend, which would tell us whether more or fewer were entering year after year. But then you don't need to know math to get into computers, right?
...dentists recommend Trident. Retention problem?
It's because math is no longer required to program effectively, right?
Here at the UW there are a lot of women engineers, mathematicians, data scientists, biochemists, and computer scientists.
The main problem is that a lot of firms talk about diversity, but aren't great on actually hiring women in tech. And when they get hired, getting shunted into more "traditional" roles, like being asked to cover the phones or front desk (as a female) when the male interns aren't asked to do that.
Fix that. Hire first, treat equally, and fix the top levels too. If your board room is male only, or tokenized, you're doing it wrong.
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Just a few months ago?? Make up your damn mind!
More proof these studies are complete and utter horseshit.
This statistic is actually the way its mostly been for a long time. Guess what happens to all these women in 2-4 years time? They get out.
They do one of 2 things:
1. they get married and leave the workforce to have kids.
2. move into a management position.
...more programmers are going into women, if you catch my drift. And I think you do, being the ever so smart programmer yourself.
Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
This other /. story explains why:
http://developers.slashdot.org/story/15/09/02/222226/you-dont-have-to-be-good-at-math-to-learn-to-code
Well one thing that comes to mind is that some of the best programmers tend to be of personality type INTJ. The frequency of INTJ in male vs. female population is clearly shown to be radically different. Let's look at all of the INTx types:
Intellectuals (NT)
Population Male Female
ENTJ - Chief 4% 5.5% 2.5%
ENTP - Originator 4.5% 6% 3%
INTJ - Strategist 1.5% 2.5% 0.5%
INTP - Engineer 2.5% 4% 1%
All NTs 12.5% 18% 7%
Seems to pretty clearly show why we might have a difference in the number of male vs. female programmers, huh? I doubt the males are forcing personality types on them.
As a conservative history teacher, it is good to see women returning to women's work.
Makes me wanna get a sex change operation so I can get me some free college degrees, than just switch back.
All this hemming and hawing and yet no one has asked why it is important to force, yes force, women into programming.
What do they offer that is unique?
At the retail store where I work, ALL of the 3rd shift stockers in grocery are men. Are they going to push for a 50% quota on that?
The thrill of being outsourced every other year....
PC is just getting ridiculous. .
to implement the:
maybe
statement in the programming languages they use, and to be able to declare variables as fuzzy. So if they ask "Do I look fat in these jeans", they will get the answer they want, which is not yes and not no. We need tri-state logic.
Software that gets testy a few days every month!