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Democratizing the Maker Movement

aarondubrow writes: To its advocates and participants, the Maker Movement resonates with those characteristics that we believe makes America great: independence and ingenuity, creativity and resourcefulness. But as impressive as today's tools are, they're not accessible to many Americans simply because of their cost and high technological barrier to entry. An article in the Huffington Post describes efforts supported by the National Science Foundation and other federal agencies to create new tools, technologies and approaches to make the Maker movement more inclusive and democratic.

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  1. Why not use the system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3

    Just because we've renamed DIY to maker we have to re-engineer its socioeconomic parameters? I am so wanting to yell get off my lawn right now. millennials need a good swift kick in the face.

    1. Re:Why not use the system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course. Anything trending becomes a target for marxist 'embrace and extend' policies in order to take credit for, and weave in its political narrative.

    2. Re:Why not use the system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Partisans and kooks like you are the primary reason why American politics have become a disaster.

    3. Re:Why not use the system by internetcommie · · Score: 1

      Exactly! I read an article about the "Maker Movement" and it sounded like it had something to do with robotics, so I wondered why the odd name? Then I ran into a woman who was mighty proud of being involved with the "Maker Movement" and a little prodding brought to light that all it was about was making things, mostly not high tech. I had to bite my tongue when she mentioned something about kids making bird-feeders! And she was talking about teenagers! I can remember making a bird-feeder out of bits of wood from my granddad's stack of firewood when I was five!
      Then she said some people are so advanced they even try to make their own clothes! Need I mention I grew up in homemade clothing? All we could afford...

    4. Re:Why not use the system by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      These threads make me sad.

      So you have a bunch of people who are getting up off their arses and actually learning stuff and making stuff and it gets filled with smug, selfsatisfied douchebags wanting to make themselves sound better by pissing all over it.

      I wonder: have you bothered to shave your neck recently? Because I read your post in the voice of the comic book guy from the Simpsons.

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  2. the HuffPo article is a lot of by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    huffing and puffing. every activity has some barrier or barriers to entry. some barriers actually are good things.

    1. Re:the HuffPo article is a lot of by epyT-R · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Well muffington boast is a leftist feminist rag, so it's going to weave the oppression olympics narrative into everything. They're right up there with bill oreilly in bullshit factor.

    2. Re:the HuffPo article is a lot of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hear you huff and puff as you get fucked in the ass by junkie faggots dressed up in football jerseys. You dirty bird fagball fan.
       
      Roger Godell needs his dick sucked, why don't you get to it. Bitch ass trick.

    3. Re:the HuffPo article is a lot of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HAHAHA. I enjoy how you sock it to that shitty "newspaper" and sexual deviant hypocrit bill oreilly in the same post, all while managing to be hilarious.

      And your reward is shit modding? Fuck you modders!

  3. All technologies are specialized at first and then by GLMDesigns · · Score: 3, Informative

    All technologies are specialized at first and then spread out - whether it's printing or optical lenses or steam engines or whatever. It's good to speed up the process but the DIY maker movement has decentralized and come down in price remarkably fast. The technological barrier is one of knowledge - something that _mainly_ (not only) requires desire to learn.

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  4. I have been a "maker" my whole life. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody bought me squat and I still did it, and if some jeggings wearing ear bud listening turd places his double latte on my bridgeport I will beat his ass.

    1. Re:I have been a "maker" my whole life. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's fine and all, but I have just one question: What in the ever-lovin' fuck is a "bridgeport" (in the context of something you could put a latte on)?

      Oh hell no, don't give me that LMGTFY bullshit. I googled it already. I'm seeing electrical conduit, a city in Connecticut, a couple of school districts, a university, and a brand of hipster beer.

      Wait... I think I found it. A suggested alternate search is for "bridgeport machine", which seems to be some sort of milling machine. I think this will be enough evidence to paint you as a damned machine-shop hipster. Get your latte out of here. Hipster. (To be fair, the manufacturer of those machines is the second match on the first query, but they've paid exactly zero attention to how they get indexed and their site summary shown by Google is useless.)

    2. Re:I have been a "maker" my whole life. by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 2
      A bridgeport is (was?) the standard of milling machines. You can buy them on craigslist between about $600 as high as $15k for a machine in pristine condition. They are somewhat collectible antiques to some. There are whole websites, user groups and thousands of youtube videos on how to use them and what you can make with them.
      A guy who lived me built a working race car engine out of scrap metal with a lathe and a bridgeport mill. They're on ebay too and is one of the last machines I need to complete my own personal machine shop for under $10k. With a machine shop, you can build literally anything (provided you know how. And that's a software problem)

      https://www.youtube.com/result...

    3. Re:I have been a "maker" my whole life. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Machine shop hipster?

      Really?

      'Bridgeports' aren't even a specific manufacturer anymore. They are a style of knee mill. Genuine Bridgeports are usually worth the extra money.

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    4. Re:I have been a "maker" my whole life. by TWX · · Score: 1

      Bridgeport pays no attention to its google hits because it literally does not matter where they fall in the rankings. Those that use large precision metalworking tools already know about them. Those that don't use large precision metalworking tools have no direct need for them. It is irrevelant that people not-in-the-know can't find them when people in-the-know can.

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    5. Re:I have been a "maker" my whole life. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody bought me squat and I still did it, and if some jeggings wearing ear bud listening turd places his double latte on my bridgeport I will beat his ass.

      No, you'll avoid eye contact, stalk off in a huff muttering passive-aggressive comments under your breath, and then go post Internet Tough Guy fantasies on Slashdot.

  5. As a minor nitpick on the original article... by mark-t · · Score: 1, Interesting

    ... at what point did the expression "begs the question" come to mean the same thing as "raises the question", and no longer mean that the proposition being claimed is assumed implicitly or explicitly in the premise?

    1. Re:As a minor nitpick on the original article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IQ is normally distributed. Roughly half of all people are less intelligent than the average person. Have you met the average person? There you go.

    2. Re:As a minor nitpick on the original article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since classical liberal arts education started being looked down as something worthless for hipsters, and that anyone sensible should study HVAC repair instead.

    3. Re:As a minor nitpick on the original article... by fisted · · Score: 2

      That happened a few years ago. Of course, this begs the question "why?".

    4. Re:As a minor nitpick on the original article... by istartedi · · Score: 1

      The Wiki article does not currently cite an earliest known usage.

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    5. Re:As a minor nitpick on the original article... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      It invites the question, prompts it, provokes it even... it does not beg it.

      But the question is nonetheless valid... why?

    6. Re:As a minor nitpick on the original article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because that's the literal interpretation of the words - just like an asshole is begging for punishment, somethings are begging for a question to be asked.

    7. Re:As a minor nitpick on the original article... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Circular reasoning is when the proposition being claimed is assumed implicitly or explicitly in the premise. Begging the question occurs when a conclusion is made on an assumption.

      Begging the question happens when you claim Y because X, while assuming X. This can often be a false premise, for example, that the ground is wet, thus it rained recently--we know rain makes the ground wet; but can't other things make the ground wet?

      Begging the question is a form of circular reasoning; but we usually only claim circular reasoning directly when you claim Y because X, while claiming X because Y. That's sometimes valid: a battery cell will produce a low voltage when it's not holding a charge (drained or damaged), and a low-voltage off a battery cell indicates it's not holding a charge; claiming that it's simply discharged or that it's damaged, however, is circular reasoning, false premise, etc.

      Nuances aside, even I can't keep this shit straight.

    8. Re:As a minor nitpick on the original article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At the same time "any more" and "anymore" started to mean the same thing, and "anymore" means "lately".

    9. Re:As a minor nitpick on the original article... by nyet · · Score: 1

      Around the time people stopped mooting a proposal and started mooting points.

    10. Re:As a minor nitpick on the original article... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Decades ago. Many many decades ago.

      The problem is people keep clinging to an archaic definition which is really only applicable in very specific contexts, and ignoring that an entirely separate expression has also sprung up around it.

      So in the context of logic and debate someone can still be "begging the question".

      Likewise, if you say "We discovered this weekend Jane is allergic to eating poop". That pretty much begs ("for someone to ask") the question of "what the hell was Jane doing eating poop?"

      Trust me, if shizzle is now a word ... all you people fixated on this stupid thing about "begs the question" need to get the fuck over your own shizzle and accept that language, especially English, is a thing which changes over time.

      The modern usage of "begs the question" has been in print for a very long time. It just happens to be close enough to another expression that the pedants get their knickers in a twist ... because pedants like to exhibit pedantry.

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    11. Re:As a minor nitpick on the original article... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      So, using entirely new words:

      decluttering half-ass fap fap fap forensics gunna photobomb retweeting scenarioist twerking shizzle

      Ta da ... English is whatever popular usage tells us it is.

      Which begs the question ... how did we ever survive before "twerking" and "shizzle" were actually words?

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    12. Re:As a minor nitpick on the original article... by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      I still wish to forget twerking as there is nothing attractive about that.

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    13. Re:As a minor nitpick on the original article... by digsbo · · Score: 1

      Hipsters aren't interested in classical liberal arts. They're interested in neo-Marxist horseshit. Most people with a legit classical liberal arts education are far too insightful to be hipsters.

    14. Re:As a minor nitpick on the original article... by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Classic liberal arts is the University of Chicago. Other than that it's neo-marxist horseshit all the way down.

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  6. "democratic" ??? by fatboy · · Score: 1

    What does that mean? Making these tools affordable and accessible to muggles is not a bad idea. I'm not sure what is "democratic" about that.

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    1. Re:"democratic" ??? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 2

      >> What does that mean?

      Somebody at the federal level is about to take your money (paid as taxes) and spend it on a program that will probably dole out grants to organizations that say they're working on maker spaces and need tools.

      >> Making X affordable and accessible to Y is not a bad idea. ...and that's how we got the national debt.

    2. Re:"democratic" ??? by MattGWU · · Score: 1

      Democratic, adj (Sense 2): pertaining to or characterized by the principle of political or social equality for all http://dictionary.reference.co...

      Providing equal access to all to these tools would be a process of 'democratization'. It's just what the term means.

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    3. Re:"democratic" ??? by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      I've bought almost all of these tools off of craigslist and own everything but a surface grinder. Thy are pretty cheap and I've only spent a few thousand dollars for everything, so they can't be that high in demand. Grizzly sells the tools also for about the same price as CL if you want something new and don't mind Taiwan or China. This is the same as it has been for the last 10 years. What is new now?

    4. Re:"democratic" ??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Providing equal access to all to these tools would be a process of 'democratization'."

      Rather than "democratize" the maker movement, why don't we democratize swimming pools, BMWs, high paying jobs and all you and eat seafood dinners.

    5. Re:"democratic" ??? by fatboy · · Score: 1

      Making something affordable and accessible does not require a government program. The people that think it requires a government program are the problem that got us the national dept.

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    6. Re:"democratic" ??? by fatboy · · Score: 1

      Sounds more like the want of equal outcomes, not equal opportunity to me.

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    7. Re:"democratic" ??? by TWX · · Score: 1

      What's new now is that people that haven't chosen to commit their dollars to doing something are upset that they don't have access to that something.

      Some choose to buy high end electronics all of the time. Some choose to buy expensive new cars. Some choose to eat-out constantly. Some choose to buy expensive houses. Etc, etc, etc.

      Some even chose poorly when they could have done better for themselves in the past, and some didn't get much of a choice and are stuck with detrimental starting experiences. That's called life. I'm not asking for subsidy for my workshop, nor do I think that most others, with all things being equitable, need subsidy for theirs either.

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    8. Re:"democratic" ??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Got us the national dept of what?

    9. Re:"democratic" ??? by sjames · · Score: 1

      And some chose food, clothing, and shelter.

  7. Re:I "MADE" SOMETHING! by fisted · · Score: 0

    Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

  8. Okay by ArylAkamov · · Score: 5, Informative

    The first thing you can do is stop using the cringe inducing term "maker" and trying to make it into a way of life instead of something you just do.

    All it has done is make a new line of trendy hipsters calling themselves "makers" who buy kits to make an LED blink for $10.99.

    Not to mention "Maker Faire" is trademarked and if you want to hold one you need to apply for a license and pay royalties to Maker Media, Inc.

    It's less about learning and more about an untapped cash cow.

    1. Re:Okay by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      The first thing you can do is stop using the cringe inducing term "maker" and trying to make it into a way of life instead of something you just do.

      How about words like "Democratize"?

      The words democracy, socialism, freedom, patriotic, realistic, justice, have each of them several different meanings which cannot be reconciled with one another. In the case of a word like democracy, not only is there no agreed definition, but the attempt to make one is resisted from all sides. It is almost universally felt that when we call a country democratic we are praising it: consequently the defenders of every kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one meaning. Words of this kind are often used in a consciously dishonest way. That is, the person who uses them has his own private definition, but allows his hearer to think he means something quite different. Statements like Marshal Petain was a true patriot, The Soviet Press is the freest in the world, The Catholic Church is opposed to persecution, are almost always made with intent to deceive. Other words used in variable meanings, in most cases more or less dishonestly, are: class, totalitarian, science, progressive, reactionary bourgeois, equality.

      The term "value" in macroeconomics suffers from this as well (it's used simultaneously with multiple, non-equivalent definitions, and thus most textbook economics and great economic papers--Adam Smith's "The Wealth of Nations" comes to mind--are an exercise in bullshit via the fallacy of equivocation). The term "wealth" was easier to salvage; but I had to fall back on "buying power", "production", and so forth in the end, and intentionally define "wealth" as a meaningless and indeterminate concept.

    2. Re:Okay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't call it a "faire", you get the dual benefits of not having to pay the assholes and not looking like a pathetic wuss yourself.

      Renaissance faires make sense toe calle ae "faire" since they're "ye olde" anywaye. "Makere faire" ise juste stupide. (Damne that'se ae lote ofe rede squigglye linese.)

    3. Re:Okay by Dr.+Bombay · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The term "maker" used to cause me to cringe as well, until I saw a plaque on a Pratt & Whitney gun boring lathe from the 1860's at the Harper's Ferry museum.
      The plaque read,
              Pratt & Whitney
                  Makers
          Hartford, Connecticut

      If one of the earliest precision machinery manufactures thought of themselves as makers, maybe the term is not so bad after all.

    4. Re:Okay by TWX · · Score: 1

      I've never seen the Renaissance Festival near me called "faire" by anyone actually associated with it. Lots of people informally call it Renfaire, but those actually working it usually use "Renfest" if they have to abbreviate.

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    5. Re:Okay by TWX · · Score: 1

      If these new "makers" could work with the materials that could build a cannon or other arms, or could even do a decent job working with metal, I might agree. These makers are the equivalent of the "mee too"ers of Usenet in the early days of the Commercial Internet.

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    6. Re:Okay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure they used it in quite the same sense.

    7. Re:Okay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. I appreciate that people enjoy going to these maker spaces, but there is no innovation happening. I see the same projects over and over usually involving some combination of 3d printers, raspberry pis, and the occasional quadcopter. Sorry--I just don't get excited about seeing a 3d printed aurdino garage door opener for the 100th time. I'm glad people are trying to be innovative and I hope some clever person someday can come up with something interesting at a makerspace, but I just haven't seen it yet.

    8. Re:Okay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry--I just don't get excited about seeing a 3d printed aurdino garage door opener for the 100th time.

      If they're wasting their time and money on recreating something they could buy at the hardware store for about $30 then no wonder it's so hard to take the term "maker" seriously.

  9. Why invent another word by Spy+Handler · · Score: 1

    when the old words were perfectly suitable? Is it because every new generation has to feel it's special and somehow better than the previous generation?

    1. Re:Why invent another word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes that is it exactly. We all just assumed that you already knew, or we would have told you.

    2. Re:Why invent another word by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1
  10. Republicans say this is a crime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would post here except as an AC because they are watching. They are watching.

    1. Re:Republicans say this is a crime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they're watching, they're already acutely aware of their need for industrial grade eye-bleach.

  11. Considering Republicans call this terrorism... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They will never allow this. Never. Why fight them when it is much more productive to do other things? They still allow us to read even if they don't allow us to build.

  12. David J. Gingery by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 3, Informative
    built an entire machine shop using only a 3/8" drill. He has a complete set of books how he did this. There are a number of youtube videos of people who've duplicated this work. He goes through the process of building a lathe which is used to build each additional tool (kinda like how it happened through history.

    It would be well to realize that most tools and accessories are merely commercial versions of devices that were originally made by hand with limited equipment.

    -- Gingery, David J (2012-05-14). The Metal Shaper (Build Your Own Metal Working Shop From Scrap) (Kindle Locations 146-147). David J. Gingery Publishing, LLC. Kindle Edition.

    I haven't built anything yet, but have read the books and they are very interesting. Completely agree with DIY being renamed. I used to build things with my dad all the time growing up and particularly remember building a shopvac out of a 5gallon paint can.

    1. Re:David J. Gingery by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Completely agree with DIY being renamed.

      Before GenX, DIY'ers were called, "machinists" or "tool and die makers".

      Every generation has to put its pitiful stamp on things so they can imagine they did something special.

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    2. Re: David J. Gingery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most machinists would say that Gingery machine tools are frustrating toys rather than something real. The big issue is the use of aluminum rather than cast iron. A secondary issue is the large amount of additional accessories needed to be productive. But you make a good point that fancy equipment isn't always necessary or can be rented/borrowed. Lots of maker projects are easy to pursue. See etsy...

    3. Re:David J. Gingery by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

      I think every generation puts its stamp on things so that they can feel connected to them as something from their era instead of being "those things that my father and grandfather did".

    4. Re: David J. Gingery by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      But with an aluminum tool, you can construct a cast iron or steel mill and lathe. You can trace the lineage of a $10M Mori Seiki cnc mill back to a wooden lathe. That's what making your own machine tools is all about.

    5. Re:David J. Gingery by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      I never heard of the term diy (in context of anything other than home remodel) before the maker movement. And I've known a couple of few who've built their own cars, engines, airplanes and boats. I guess it's because I grew up in a blue collar neighborhood where nobody called it anything, it was just something you did for fun in your garage on the weekends.

    6. Re:David J. Gingery by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 2

      As I get older, I'm more amazed at the things my grandfather did, especially considering the limitations they had 70 years ago.

    7. Re:David J. Gingery by TWX · · Score: 1

      I've always called it, "going out into the workshop". My dad had a workshop. My mother's father had a workshop at home and was a machinist responsible for the manufacturing equipment at a Whirlpool appliance factory. My father's father had a farm and had to take care of the equipment.

      The very term maker is pretentious in the extreme when it's self-applied, given that the bulk of the people who call themselves this probably wouldn't even qualify as apprentices in the trades model, as far as their knowledge and abilities go. They're hobbyists that think their singular experience means that they're experts; they've done one thing once or a few things a few times and think that they know the whole trade.

      When I go out into the shop I know that my experiences are limited and that I will be going through a novice degree of trial-and-error. There's nothing spectacular or special about it, just a guy with a bunch of tools and supplies doing something.

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    8. Re:David J. Gingery by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      As I get older, I'm more amazed at the things my grandfather did, especially considering the limitations they had 70 years ago.

      No kidding. I still have furniture my grandfather built by hand, some of it during the Depression, and it's as solid and sturdy as the day he made it. I see people buying stuff from IKEA and wonder what happened.

      The only thing is, when I have to move, grandad's furniture is some of the heaviest stuff I own.

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    9. Re:David J. Gingery by khallow · · Score: 1

      There's nothing spectacular or special about it, just a guy with a bunch of tools and supplies doing something.

      It's just a celebration of the core of civilization.

    10. Re:David J. Gingery by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      I see people buying stuff from IKEA and wonder what happened.

      Have you seen the price of wood recently? I build myself some furniture, specifically a standing height workbench since it's hard to buy them. The wood cost a pretty penny.

      It's vastly cheaper to buy it from Ikea than it is to build it yourself, and that's not een getting into the price of tools, somewhere to keep all the stuff and do work and etc etc.

      Plus, most people's grandfather's couldn't build furniture. One of mine was a doctor, the other a taylor. I don't think either of them could have made a decent chair.

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    11. Re:David J. Gingery by TWX · · Score: 2

      When does celebration end and circle-jerk begin?

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    12. Re:David J. Gingery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > It's vastly cheaper to buy it from Ikea than it is to build it yourself

      Is that counting the cost of replacement when the shit breaks?

    13. Re:David J. Gingery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plus, most people's grandfather's couldn't build furniture. One of mine was a doctor, the other a taylor. I don't think either of them could have made a decent chair.

      I wonder what generation your grandparents were in? My father and mother were born during the Great Depression, and my grandparents were adults during it. (Which would have been a Captain Obvious statement back then, not so much now...) Anyway, as my dad was teaching me elementary level masonry/ carpentry/ electrical/ plumbing, I asked him one time how he had assembled such knowledge by his late-forties. His answer: Growing up in the depression, you couldn't afford to hire the work. You either did it yourself and learned by hard knocks or did without... and most of the time did without.

      That said, I'm sure there were plenty of depression era physicians and tailors who wouldn't have had to resort to that.

      I still wish I'd remembered half of what he taught me.... But it turns out now that I'm in my mid-forties I understand. My buying something or hiring a jobber is a matter of my convenience now.

    14. Re:David J. Gingery by khallow · · Score: 1

      When the observer decides it does. So you've decided. But in their defense, this sort of circle-jerking has been going on long before the current trend, such as the jury-rig that costs more than a proper repair would.

  13. Re: Democrats hate the maker movement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What a load of bs. It is the Republicans that are murdering us. You shoul never vote for someone that murders you.

  14. support maker spaces by Gnaythan1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The Maker movement is awesome. and is a lot like shop class from back in the day, but with a lot more access to tools and retention of fingers. It needs some sort of small grant or funding initiative to get these things off the ground.

    I just joined one still getting off the ground in the Everett-Lynnwood area (North of Seattle). Lots of potential, suffering from lack of funding. We get funds, we get tools. We get tools, we get more members.We get more members, we get more funds.

    But just starting out... that lack of funds is a killer. We have multiple 3d printers, a laser cutter, and an electronics parts bin the size of a walk in closet, but its hard to find a big enough place to PUT it all, who won't mind us using a laser cutter on pleather or 3d printing vinyl, or using some louder equipment to cut and drill some t- slots

    Its happening... but slower than any of us really want. and none of the places we have looked at for a permanent home are really big enough yet.

    1. Re:support maker spaces by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      It would be well to realize that most tools and accessories are merely commercial versions of devices that were originally made by hand with limited equipment.

      -- Gingery, David J

    2. Re:support maker spaces by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      How does that have any bearing on needing space in which to put the tools in?

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    3. Re:support maker spaces by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Good luck with your makerspace/hackspace venture.

      It's early days, but you will certainly suffer growing pains. I suggest you get started with access control mechanism and training early, otherwise you'll wind up having to do it in a hurry when you notice expensive, delicate tools start getting broken by inexperienced users.

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    4. Re:support maker spaces by Gnaythan1 · · Score: 1

      Way ahead of you there. Three stages so far. to be better defined later.

      Stage one is drop in, bring your own laptop and we will tweak and try to print what you are trying to make. Stay over there please.

      Stage two is you get trained in the tool, you get to touch it. Name not on the list... no touchy! You also get to help stage ones. Some tools require a lot more training than others. Do not look into laser with remaining good eye.

      Stage three is "here's your key, you signed off on everything." You have to help stage two's get trained. and sign off on them.

    5. Re:support maker spaces by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Interesting, that sounds pretty thorough.

      In the London Hackspace, we've got card access control (via some hackspace-made system) for some of the machines, though it's being rolled out to many things. People are split into maintainer/user, where any user can use the machine and mark it as broken, at which point it can only be re-enabled by a maintainer. Maintainers can also add new users to the auth list.

      Initially, it was only present on a 3-in-1 mill and lathe machine. It got rolled out to a laser cutter and 3D printer. Someone's put a lot of work into making it more modular and easy to build so it's on the verge of being rolled out to many of the tools. Frankly, even the bench grinder is getting access control because we have a persistent problem with people grinding aluminium and clogging up the wheel, since it's an oxide wheel for carbon steel.

      There's a move afoot to put one on the pillar drills too, with open auth so we just have logging, since there are some users who persistently leave a massive mess when no one is around.

      It's interesting what needs access control and what doesn't. The delicate and complex surface grinder has not proven itself in need of one yet and is low on the list, since people who don't know about tools well enough to not break them don't even generally know why they'd want a surface grinder, so it gets no abuse.

      The bench grinders while tough and hard to break get so much abuse that they're getting access control. Possibly because they appear simple and easy to use that people who really don't know how to use them keep trying.

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  15. Inventing New Ways to BLB by DumbSwede · · Score: 1

    Be Left Behind (BLB).

    Seriously of all the social inequality in the world, this one ranks way down on what it will take to provide equality to people.

    I work next to DC in Crystal City and it has a TechShop. Membership seems expensive, and you can see though the windows there are not many members. When you do see people inside you never really see feverish activity inventing the next Roomba or Segway. This whole Maker movement seems to have become a scam. Great for early enthusiasts who created their own clubs to share tools, but now is some slick marketing scheme to make everyone think they can be the next Dean Kamen (and extract money accordingly).

    While inexpensive/limited access to Laser Cutting tools and 3D printers may be keeping some good projects from taking off. In general these Maker Fares seem to be using extremely expensive tools for trivial reasons.

    In the Early 80’s I designed and built a computer controlled animated sign with TTLs and an Apple ][ computer. I didn’t need some movement to get my inner geek on.

    How about we not subsidize Maker Clubs for feel good reasons. People that want to create -- will. Many times a true inventor will find a lower cost way to get the job done than to use an expensive tool he doesn't have access too. And that is often worth far more than the original project.

    1. Re:Inventing New Ways to BLB by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      Yes, that's what it is. You don't need a club (though I think it would help if you wanted to learn). If you have the space, buying the required tools to build 99% of everything (including larger tools) is only going to cost a few thousand dollars. And for the parts that you can't make, just take it to a local machine shop or email your cad drawing to an online machine shop (with 3d printer or cnc sheet metal bender). For small prototype products it's more cost effective.

    2. Re:Inventing New Ways to BLB by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you have the space, buying the required tools to build 99% of everything (including larger tools) is only going to cost a few thousand dollars.

      That's the two main problems right there. A lot of people can't afford "a few thousand dollars" to buy tools. And a lot of people living in towns and cities live in apartments: they don't have the space and they can't run most tools because of the noise and dust generated by them.

    3. Re:Inventing New Ways to BLB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I took the Autodesk class there ahead of receiving my M3D Micro 3D printer. I haven't designed one 3D model, I mostly print stuff off the internet. I had thought about taking their soldering class to build a blinky light board, then their build an Arduino soldering class. They have a lot of nice classes, though the difference in a non-member rate and member rate isn't enough to make me join. If I had a project that required me to be certified on the machines and use a lot of machine time I'd probably pay month to month.

      There are a number of traditional makerspaces in our area setup as charities or non-profits which charge a lower member fee to pay the rent on their space and buy the occasional tool.

      I'm building a Prusa i3 from a kit right now and doing pretty well based off the instructions and some Instructables. There is a lot of free DIY out there, but it is nice to have a local space to fall back on if you can't DI-Y.

      Paul

    4. Re:Inventing New Ways to BLB by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1
      This guy (one of my inspirations) started and ran a machine shop in a NYC apartment (later expanding to house a few years later, then out of NY). His channel NYCNC.

      Other than a $6 tracfone for emergencies, I don't have a cell phone. That's a few hundred dollar savings per year right there (I don't make somewhat below minimum wage and have to carefully budget) and you don't need to buy all the machines at once. Most people who are into this sort of thing collect them over a lifetime.

    5. Re:Inventing New Ways to BLB by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Ah so all you need is a few thousand dollars for the tools (not actually, but we'll get to that) and a quite a few hnudred thousand dollars for somewhere to put them oh and a few more thousands (or tens thereof) to get a bunch of parts custom made.

      You know or you can group together with a bunch of likeminded folks and band together and start up a club for much, much less.

      Getting back to what I said, my local hackspace has far more than a few thousand dollars worth of tools. The big A0 sized laser cutter runs to more than $10k alone, never mind all the rest of the stuff.

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    6. Re:Inventing New Ways to BLB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not all makerspaces are the same. I'm a member of LVL1 hackerspace in Louisville, KY, and we have an open door policy - any time a member is there, you are free to come in and use the equipment. We don't charge for anything except a few raw materials ($0.10/gram 3d prints, $1/ft. vinyl, I think that's it) and snacks. There's plenty of donated metal, wood, electronic components and a boneyard of electronic and mechanical parts which are free to use. Membership gets you a key and the right to vote, but we have plenty of regular attendees who aren't members. We even have a "makership", which is 3 months free membership and $100 stipend towards your project, awarded each month to someone who can't afford membership but has a cool project they want to complete. We're a community resource, not a for profit incubator.

      We also have FirstBuild - a GE sponsored makerspace that is also free to use, but only charges for material used. They have large industrial equipment as well - steel cutting laser, high-end 3d printing, CNC mills for metal and wood, CNC brake, etc. They have a program that if you make an improvement to a GE product, they will pay you for it. If you make a new product there and GE wants to build it, they will pay you and you retain the rights to it.

      Techshop is expensive. Some makerspaces are expensive. All are not. Both of the ones in my town offer ways to give you money.

  16. Re: Democrats hate the maker movement by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

    Murdering how?

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  17. Re:Democrats hate the maker movement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The republicans love the maker movement for the exact same reasons. Instead of "feeling bad about yourself" and getting politically active, makers have their nose in books and electronics and whatnot, making little gadgets and generally ignoring the rest of the world!

  18. Government involvement FTW! by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 5, Funny

    The maker movement desperately needs federal government support.

    That's the only way women and minorities will get access to makerspaces and creative tools.

    Why, women make up half of all people, and the fact that they're under-represented in hackerspace memberships is clear evidence of pervasive prejudice and the "rape culture".

    Just as there are few women coders, there are also few women hackers.

    We only need to consider scientific research to see how this would work: before federal involvement, scientific inquiry was haphazard, capricious, and discretionary. Nowadays we have an organized inquiry into the frontiers of science at every direction of inquiry - eliminating duplication of effort, guiding lines of inquiry for best results, and generally eliminating risk.

    This same model could bring the maker movement into the 21st century, bestowing the benefits of government bureaucracy on hackers across the country!

    1. Re:Government involvement FTW! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Women have been way ahead of men as makers for decades. Every house has a dedicated room for women makers (kitchen), some have two (sewing room).

      *ducks, runs for cover*

    2. Re:Government involvement FTW! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Three (baby making room).

    3. Re:Government involvement FTW! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not entirely sure how, but you're somehow under the impression that women can do that all by themselves.

      At a minimum, they must source parts from a man.

  19. Turning non problems into social crises by Crashmarik · · Score: 2

    Sixty dollar do it yourself printer
    http://www.instructables.com/i...

    Free open source software to make it work
    http://3dprintingforbeginners....

    How much more democratic does it have to be ?

    1. Re:Turning non problems into social crises by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      Well, someone has to pay you to do it for starters. You don't expect everyone to do that much work for free, do you? Making things, while not terribly difficult, does involve a lot of work.

    2. Re:Turning non problems into social crises by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How much more democratic does it have to be ?

      That's not a democracy. The structure of the Maker Movement is better than a democracy, since there is more freedom. The editor who wrote that stupid title seems to think democracy means perfect or good. I think the word you're looking for is egalitarian.

    3. Re:Turning non problems into social crises by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      How much more democratic does it have to be ?

      That's not a democracy. The structure of the Maker Movement is better than a democracy, since there is more freedom. The editor who wrote that stupid title seems to think democracy means perfect or good. I think the word you're looking for is egalitarian.

      It's even better than egalitarian it's meritocratic.

    4. Re:Turning non problems into social crises by goose-incarnated · · Score: 2

      How much more democratic does it have to be ?

      That's not a democracy. The structure of the Maker Movement is better than a democracy, since there is more freedom. The editor who wrote that stupid title seems to think democracy means perfect or good. I think the word you're looking for is egalitarian.

      It's even better than egalitarian it's meritocratic.

      Careful there - meritocracy is deemed exclusionary to that 51% minority.

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  20. Maker's Mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This can only be successful if the NSF democratizes Maker's Mark. Anything else is bound to fail in America, formerly known as the land of free or the home of the brave.

  21. I thought Democratic was the opposite of Maker. by pecosdave · · Score: 1

    Really - if I wanted something Democratic I would buy something off of the shelf, because people voted with their dollars to make that product happen.

    When I want to be a dictator over what I use I build it myself, to my own dictate.

    The Maker Movement is about Dictatorship! Not Democracy!

    That being said - I'm not a big fan of 3D printers. I see their appeal and all, but I'm more of a fan of taking a hacksaw, hammer, Dremmel and epoxy to whatever I have access to when I want to custom build something. Seriously - there are HP monitor parts on my bicycle, I shit you not.

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  22. The American dream by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of buying cheap and selling at a huge profit

    I have a serious problem with how the likes of makezine and sparkfun have carefully branded and shepherded its' customer base into a "movement" so they can publish step-by-step guides on how to buy commodity hardware at premium prices and replicate someone else's derivative arduino project.

  23. The Maker Movement is Communist! by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    And putting the means of production in the hands of the people is evil. It interferes with interstate commerce.

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  24. you lost me at Huffington Post by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 3, Informative
    I can summarize the majority of all Huffington Post articles in just a few comments:

    - It's the white person's fault

    - Men in tech hate women and keep them out in a variety of ways

    - Men in general are evil unless they are gay or black and get shot by a white cop

    - Anything a white person has ever succeeded at is largely due to their privilege

    - Black people are held back by every force conceived by University Professors who study these things

    - Christian's are horrible yet Muslims are just mischaracterized

    - If you don't want unlimited immigration then you must be xenophobic and racist

    I probably missed a few but that's the gist of it.

    1. Re:you lost me at Huffington Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's sad that Intel had to cancel those science award things they used to give to high school kids since the winners were always white or asian men. Minorities were winning the majority of the time, but not "the right" minorities, and so it had to be shut down.

    2. Re:you lost me at Huffington Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Part of the problem is that you literally cannot be "racist" against a white person, according to some definitions. The word gets redefined in such an unequal way that an ugly act of prejudice against someone based on their skin color may be excused, rather than reviled, merely due to the skin coloration of the participants. Rather than decrying this, some see it as "justice" of a kind, as though everyone who shares a skin color is automatically guilty of the crimes of everyone else with the same shade or otherwise complicit, whether or not they know or have even so much as met the persons in question.

      I wish we could convince people that the happenstance by which we have similarities in epidermal melanin content is simply not a good or meaningful way to judge people and that the content of one's character is a much better guideline, but alas, those words seem to be preached more often than they are practiced.

  25. Areola Huffington by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who let the air out of her joy bags ?

  26. Re:Democrats hate the maker movement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Very funny. It is the Republicans that are using their thugs in blue to beat makers to death. They keep lists of names. They keep lists. They hate us. They want everyone to depend on corporations in order to live. They are fighting education. Here in Seattle, they forced the teachers to strike. They are not allowing children to learn.

  27. yoda head makers by rubycodez · · Score: 1

    You can make a custom handgrip for your tool without a 3D printer, just grabbing one of several available self-hardening blobs of goop wrapped around a tool. Some would require using greased rubber glove while squeezing to make grip.

    You want to be a real maker, get some metal, drill set, file set, a couple micrometers and scales, and start sculpting metal. Graduate to a lathe and mill (non-CNC, plenty of tricks of trade to make curves and such. Or if prefer wooden things, you know what to do.

    But in most cases you don't need a 3D printer that oozes soft plastic crap.

    1. Re:yoda head makers by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      OOh so in your world, you can only be a real maker or a true scotsman if you work with metal or wood.

      And why is that exactly? Is there another reason other than wanting to feel superior?

      But in most cases you don't need a 3D printer that oozes soft plastic crap.

      Most 3D printers will happily print ABS, which is one of the most commonly used plastics.

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    2. Re:yoda head makers by mpoulton · · Score: 1

      OOh so in your world, you can only be a real maker or a true scotsman if you work with metal or wood.

      And why is that exactly? Is there another reason other than wanting to feel superior?

      But in most cases you don't need a 3D printer that oozes soft plastic crap.

      Most 3D printers will happily print ABS, which is one of the most commonly used plastics.

      You can only be a "true maker" if you have the capability of working with a variety of materials to suit the needs of the part, just like you can only be a "true maker" if you have some ability to work with electronics, plumbing/hydraulics, and mechanics, and if you can make parts using a variety of different fabrication methods depending on what suits the conditions. Choosing appropriate materials is a critical part of making something. "Soft plastic crap" presumably refers to PVA, which is mechanically unsuitable for most applications. ABS is more usable, but still not a reasonable engineering material for a lot of uses. Wood isn't either. It's pretty fair to say that someone is not a "true maker" unless they can select between materials and fabrication methods that are reasonable for a variety of different engineering needs, and that necessarily includes subtractive manufacturing of metals - the #1 most common method of making strong mechanical parts.

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    3. Re:yoda head makers by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Your criteria sound completely arbitrary.

      You didn't even include welding in your list. You didn't include programming either---how are you going to use your freshly soldered mucrocontroller if you can't program? And you have hydraulics (something I've never dabbled in), but ecluded casting (something I have dabbled in). Why? You also omitted working with wood which seems like a HUGE gap to me.

      It is entirely possible to make an interesting variety of different things without knowing every single skill ever devised.

      "Soft plastic crap" presumably refers to PVA

      I doubt it. It is fearsomely difficult to get 3D printers to actually print PVA subbessfully, and due to the difficulty it's a very specialised niche. The most popular plastic seems to be PLA since the lower temperature means it's not as prone to warping as ABS. It's also harder and stiffer than ABS, but less tough.

      the #1 most common method of making strong mechanical parts

      And yet on the low end of strong mechincal parts (e.g. gears etc etc) it's completely dominated by plastic, not metal. And again with the blind spot for casting. Looking around where I'm stand right now, there's an awful lot of cast stuff, like clamps, vices, saw frames and so on and so fort.

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    4. Re:yoda head makers by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

      You want to be a real maker, get some metal, drill set, file set, a couple micrometers and scales, and start sculpting metal.

      OOh so in your world, you can only be a real maker or a true scotsman if you work with metal or wood.

      Where the did he say that? He said you can be a real maker by doing $FOO; He never said that *only* by doing $FOO can you be a real maker.

      Talk about strawmen...

      And why is that exactly? Is there another reason other than wanting to feel superior?

      Nah... mostly people who want to feel superior construct strawmen so they can display how good they are at "winning" .... Oh, wait....

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    5. Re:yoda head makers by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Do you know what a straw man is?

      Hi literally said "You want to be a real maker ... start sculpting metal".

      That is pretty much the archetypal "no true scotsman". You can be a perfectly real maker without indulging in heavy metal work.

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    6. Re:yoda head makers by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      No, to be a true scottsman you have to drink cask proof scotch whiskey and eat haggis

      ABS is fine for some applications, but molding is superior to printed work for several reasons. Funny car recalls have been done because of using ABS under the hood when metal should have been used (to have parts of ABS components replaced by guess what), it doesn't do well after prolonged heat exposure

    7. Re:yoda head makers by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      No, to be a true scottsman you have to drink cask proof scotch whiskey and eat haggis

      I believe not. One doesn't generally drink it at 60%. You pour in a little water (preferable Scottish spring water) and drink it at around 40%, what most of the stuff is bottled at. And haggis is delicious.

      But to be a True scotsman you need to drink Wkd and eat deep fried mars bar.

      Anyway, automotive stuff is incredibly demanding. Just because some under hood parts couldn't stand up to the heat doesn't mean all plastic is crap always. Lots of stuff is made of plastic, and ABS is more than capable of dealing with temperatures which would cause burns for extended periods.

      While moulded stuff is generally stronger, you can make stuff exceptionally light with printing, compared to moulding because you can print a strong internal honeycomb structure.

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    8. Re:yoda head makers by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

      Do you know what a straw man is?

      Hi literally said "You want to be a real maker ... start sculpting metal".

      Yes - but he never said that that's the only path. He never even implied it. You saythat he said "the only way to be a real maker is by..." when all he really said was "You can be a real maker by..."

      That is pretty much the archetypal "no true scotsman". You can be a perfectly real maker without indulging in heavy metal work.

      I don't understand why you are presenting that argument as if it refutes what OP said. It doesn't. You're arguing that he said $FOO when he clearly didn't, and then you present an argument for why $FOO[1] is wrong. You win your argument only by virtue of the fact that $FOO is indeed wrong, but he never said nor implied $FOO. Are you that desperate to be right on the internet, that you'd argue someone against something that they've never asserted?

      [1] s/$FOO/You can be a real maker only by working with metal

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  28. Hater Movement by Baldrson · · Score: 2

    The Maker Movement is really just another Hater Movement practicing The Politics of Exclusion. Maker Privilege must be Checked and Confronted wherever it may try to hide -- even in the deep subconscious of Haters -- as yet another Badge of Slavery.

    How can we remedy this attempt to revive the antebellum South in a new and insidious guise?

    Are we to wait decades upon decades for True Equality to triumph as it hasn't yet in the area of Racial Equality?

    NO!

    Slavery must be met with slavery!

    Haters should be forced to Make whatever people who aren't want.

    Only then can we achieve Social Justice In Our Time.

  29. Thank god someone figured it out! by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1

    OMGWTF!

    Previously sitting at +4 Insightful.

    Thank you, whoever gave the final +1 Funny to the article.

    (Humor... it is a difficult concept!)

    1. Re:Thank god someone figured it out! by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Humor... it is a difficult concept!

      It is when the attempts at humour aren't funny.

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  30. Please don't feed greenwow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is the well known troll greenwow, he posts the same crap in every article. Read through this one and you'll see at least a half dozen posts from him.

  31. The difference between DIY and Maker by Snufu · · Score: 1

    About 15 years and twenty pounds.

    1. Re:The difference between DIY and Maker by Ozoner · · Score: 1

      Yes. In every generation there are talented amateurs who create interesting things, and those who try to make money out of them.

      The Hacker movement is just the latest of such parasites.

  32. Maker spaces are not your daddy's hobby shop. by Snufu · · Score: 1

    Maker spaces accept paypal.

  33. Democratizing? by ScentCone · · Score: 1

    Why do people keep confusing "democratizing" with "entitling?" Because the urge here appears to be to take other people's money and to use it to subsidize an activity for people who haven't raised the money or made the effort it to support it for themselves. That's not "democracy," and it has nothing to do with such.

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  34. Democracy does NOT work by ihtoit · · Score: 1

    Where you have democracy you have division. The Maker Movement is all about community, all about just fucking doing it, all about togetherness in venture, all about maximising the potential of the individual by using his skills where appropriate and someone else doing what he can't, all about sharing the rewards. Fuck democracy. All that does is alienate 49% of the participants who will then go do something else, to the detriment of the community.

    Democracy in such an environment is asking a carpenter to do fine electronics and a systems engineer to dovetail a cabinet. It ain't gonna fucking happen. Let them both do what they're good at, not what "The Majority" want them to do.

    (I am a Maker, I know where my local Hackspace is, and I've been tinkering around in there fixing stuff that just seems to be laying abandoned. Just the other night I got a drill press working again (that apparently hasn't worked in about two years) and tagged it for an electrical safety inspection. Why? A: I know what I'm doing around mechanical devices, motors and pillar tools in particular, and b: it needed doing, the space has only two working drill presses. Three now. Waiting for a vote on something like that, it would have rusted away to nothing).

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  35. Fix that for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ".....those characteristics that we believe makes America great: independence and ingenuity, creativity and resourcefulness."

    That's funny.......I thought it was "slavery, religious fundamentalism and a ruthless oppression of the poor and disadvantaged."

    Where did all those black people come from again?...and what happened to all the Indians ?

  36. Democratize? by mlush · · Score: 1

    Sure make the Maker movement more inclusive ... but democratic? Are we going to vote on who Made the Most Marvellous Make? Vote in some Glorious Leaders to tell us what to do?

  37. This is BULLSHIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do we need to start "democratizing" something that is almost completely open source, including the hardware? Just because the masses don't bother to do the work needed to come up to speed on something does not mean those who are should stop and hold their fucking hands until they catch up.

    FUCK

  38. Cheap and generic first, then fast and specialised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The 3D printers today are fairly generic and cheap, so the barrier to entry is low, comparable to the microcomputer scene in the seventies. In the future, you should expect more powerful and specialised 3D printers that will be much more expensive to make, buy or use.