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Volkswagen CEO Issues Apology Over Emission-Cheating Software

cartechboy writes: Last Friday we learned that Volkswagen got caught cheating on emissions testing via software programming. The punishment? It could get slapped with up to $18 billion in fines. While the company has yet to admit to any wrong doing, the CEO has now issued a formal apology and said the automaker will cooperate fully with any and all investigations. It's issued a stop-sale on all new and used TDI vehicles until further notice. VW's currently in talks with the EPA and the California Air Resources Board in regards to these allegations. It's also ordered an external investigation of its own into the matter. Whether criminal charges will be filed is yet to be seen.

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  1. That'll teach you... by bob_super · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When Toyota had the audacity of becoming number 1, their CEO got dragged in front of the US congress about some acceleration issues.
    VW just made the mistake of becoming number 1, and suddenly we discover they've been cheating at emissions. Expect a congress hearing and lots of demands for sanctions.

    Was there a punishment when GM recently had a major oops?

    1. Re:That'll teach you... by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 5, Insightful

      cheating at emissions

      This wasn't just some simple "cheating" . . . this was large scale "fraud". If the Feds in the US wanted to, they could RICO VW. That would essentially put them out of business in the US. But VW has a puny market share in the US, when compared to other foreign auto producers in the VW or Audi price range. So the government in the US is probably thinking of what the collateral damage would be for VW car dealerships, independent mechanics, etc. VW got the worst possible penalty that anyone can levy: the VW stock got mauled. Their brand has been emasculated.

      But the worst is yet to come. Germans take their reputation for great engineering very seriously. The German government is now pissed off at this as well. For Americans, this would be like a team cheating in the Super Bowl. Germans and their cars, have a relationship like Americans do with their guns.

      The CEO of VW can start cleaning out his desk, and a bunch of executives will be headless in the coming weeks, as well. That serves them right. However, in typical corporate fashion, VW will end up firing ordinary, innocent workers, who had nothing to do with the fraud at all.

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    2. Re:That'll teach you... by turbidostato · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Nope, their whole ignition switch failure was swept under the rug with only about 20 million vehicles recalled, and a paltry 900 million dollar forfeiture."

      So here we are talking about 500.000 cars instead of 20.000.000 (40x less) but the fines could reach 18.000.000.000 instead of 900.000.000 (20x more).

      Overall German-based WV may be fined 800x more per car than US-based GM.

      Quite interesting.

    3. Re:That'll teach you... by tipo159 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The CEO of VW can start cleaning out his desk, and a bunch of executives will be headless in the coming weeks, as well. That serves them right. However, in typical corporate fashion, VW will end up firing ordinary, innocent workers, who had nothing to do with the fraud at all.

      Written by someone who does not understand the on-going boardroom drama at VW.

      The VW Group CEO (Winterkorn) recently came out ahead in a boardroom battle in April. I have to wonder if his Winterkorn's opponent (Piech) knew that this was coming.

    4. Re:That'll teach you... by ThatsLoseNotLoose · · Score: 4, Insightful

      GM only killed people.

      VW committed a far worse crime. They offended the regulators.

  2. Re:Another 40 years before we see popular diesel c by Dzimas · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Audi A3 is one of the models implicated in this scam. It appears that it includes any VW and Audi vehicles that don't have a urea injection system.

  3. CRAP! I have one of those. by Paleolibertarian · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I suppose I'll have to get my firmware updated which will cut my performance down. I could decline the recall but then I probably wouldn't be able to pass the emissions here in CA to get my tag renewed.

    Goodby 42 MPG.

    1. Re:CRAP! I have one of those. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Based on summary - you will pass emission test easily:)

    2. Re:CRAP! I have one of those. by jerryjnormandin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      diesel is different from gasoline. optimizing power and performance has a lot to do with fuel injection timing. We tested my 2014 TDI at a local shop. NOx was higher when tested with just a probe in the exhaust... when connected to the state inspection system you can smell the DPF regen cycle kicking (fuel is injected in the exhaust and ignited to incinerate ash collected in the DPF) in and the engine fuel injection timing changed. NOx was low. But injection on the early side results in performance loss and lower mpg.

  4. Does this at least mean.... by mark-t · · Score: 4, Insightful

    .... that testers will stop trusting a car's own reports about its emissions?

    If not, nothing was learned here. Either by accident or intentionally, it will happen again, eventually.

  5. Re:Just a firmware fix? by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Funny

    The firmware changed to pass while it was being tested, so it seems the fix will be to leave the car in 'test' mode permanently. Apparently performance will suffer when that happens, but that doesn't really matter when you're stuck in a line of traffic on the freeway.......

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  6. Blaming American Engineers by BenJeremy · · Score: 5, Informative

    In the German press, the CEO is already painting this as a bunch of rogue American engineers doing this.

    One problem: If there was any engineering in the US, it was probably only to tweak the existing calibrations. It's pretty rare to see the actual source to ECUs, which is mostly unchanged over long periods of time. Most of the adjustments made are in the calibrations - a checksummed block of mapped constants in the ROM image file where the symbolic map has been exported by the compiler.

    As somebody who has actually authored calibration tools used in the automotive industry, and worked on some of the software used to provide version control, I have a pretty clear idea of what is going on here.

    In this case, the code itself - the algorithms used in the ECU, specifically disabled emissions controls (either by an alternative set of calibrations, or by skipping entire routines) when in Emissions Test Mode. If it's using an alternative set of calibrations... it still demands an answer to why it would need a second set of calibrations to begin with.

    Sadly, the press and many of the investigators involved in this will probably not understand the techical aspects of this, and why this is a fundamental cheat that could only have been created by the team that engineered the ECU.

    1. Re:Blaming American Engineers by toonces33 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I call BS on that. There is no way that a rogue engineer would do such a thing on their own - they would only do it because management wanted them to.

      For that matter, you can't even sneeze in the auto industry without there being a paper trail. Once the investigators start digging they will find all kinds of stuff about the requirements and specifications documents that preceded the actual software changes. You will find the actual engineers who did the work, and you will find the people who signed off on it when the work was done...

    2. Re:Blaming American Engineers by toonces33 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, because of work that I have done in the past. I have seen the level of process audits that the automakers require of their suppliers, and I have seen the kind of process management software that is used to track requirements/specifications/changes and all the rest of that. That being said, I have no recollection/memory of how VW does things.

      When all of this is in place, you can't change a single line of code without it being justified, specified, written, tested, and finally signed off on, and *everything* is traceable. Could one hack the database? In theory, I suppose, but doing so would elevate this to a whole new level of fraud, and if you screw it up and corrupt the database then the whole company could be dead in the water.

      Google "Automotive SPICE" to learn more..

  7. Re:Why does the U.S. hate diesel so much? by cirby · · Score: 4, Interesting

    US standards are pretty strict in comparison to Europe.

    Part of the reason VW got caught was that the people doing the testing were looking at European diesel cars, found they polluted more than they should, and decided to test US cars for comparison.

  8. Re:They got caught with their dick in the pig by sexconker · · Score: 3, Funny

    They got caught with their dick in the pig.

    I fail to see what the Clinton family reunion has to do with this.

  9. 18 billion dollars, good luck with that by burtosis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This will be reduced to some completely unimportant sum like 18 million. Further its hilarious how the CEO is blaming rogue American engineers when it's clearly a upper management decision. Reading 'they launched an independent investigation' actually made me spit up my coffee it was so hilarious.

  10. Re:What? "We're sorry we got caught"? by The+Real+Dr+John · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Obamacare was based on Romneycare from MA, which was created by the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank. So you are saying Obama is a secret Republican? If so, then I agree completely. He wages war like a Republican, he deports immigrants like a Republican, he drills for oil and gas like a Republican, even in the arctic, and he goes after whistleblowers and journalists just like a Republican. So I think you've got something there.

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  11. The apology by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Full text: "We're sorry we got caught!"

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  12. Re: What? "We're sorry we got caught"? by GuB-42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It depends a lot on your driving. If you do a steady 100 km/h on the highway, your mileage will be excellent. At 130 km/h, you may use about 20% more, and can more than double if you take the road for a race track.
    Maybe your driving is more economical than most.

  13. Re:Another 40 years before we see popular diesel c by jrumney · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The Audi A3 is one of the models implicated in this scam. It appears that it includes any VW and Audi vehicles that don't have a urea injection system.

    It appears that all diesel VW and Audi vehicles do have a urea injection system, but some only enable it during tests.

  14. Re:What? "We're sorry we got caught"? by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 4, Informative

    There's a reason that Pelosi, Reid and Obama had to ram that law through using procedural shenanigans

    Indeed and that reason is the not so latent racism in the GOP base over a black president and the lock step opposition to *anything* he proposed. Every major piece of the ACA was *favored* by the GOP, just not 'Obamacare'.

    Also note, the meeting with all the GOP players on the night of Obama's inauguration to 'oppose anything he did'. They knew that if they cooperated at all, Obama would get credit for saving the country from depression and become a transformative icon of history; and of course discredit the GOP agenda for decades to come.

    So they played politics with basically everything. The extreme of which was Sen. Cruz voting against funding for Hurricane Sandy relief money...and then demanding quick aid when Texas was hit by floods. His argument? The pork in the Sandy Relief bill. While laudable policy wise, playing political football with people's lives to make a point is exactly what's wrong with the GOP these days.

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