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Google Shows Off 2 New Nexus Phones, a New Pixel, and More

Two of the products officially unveiled at Google's much-anticipated (at least much-hyped) release announcement were widely and correctly predicted: a pair of new Nexus phones. The flagship is the all-metal Huawei 6P, with a 5.7" AMOLED display (2,560x1,440), 3GB of RAM, and a Snapdragon 810 chip. The Huawei overshadows the nonetheless respectable second offering, the LG-made Nexus 5X, which makes concessions in the form of less RAM (2GB instead of the 6P's 3), smaller battery (2700mAh, instead of 3450) and a lesser Snapdragon chip inside (808, rather than 810). Both phones, though, come with USB-C and with a big upgrade for a line of phones not generally praised for its cameras: a large-pixel 12.3-megapixel Sony camera sensor. Much less predicted: Google announced a new bearer for the Pixel name, after its line of high-end Chromebooks; today's entrant is a tablet, not running Chrome, and it's running Android rather than Chrome OS. The Pixel C tablet will debut sometime later this year; google touts it as "the first Android tablet built end-to-end by Google." Also on the agenda today, news that Android 6 will start hitting Nexus devices next week.

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  1. Good and bad about 5X by iONiUM · · Score: 3, Informative

    There are both good and bad things about the new Nexus 5X.

    Good things: improved CPU/GPU, good camera (but no OIS, although they say they can't because it's 1.55um pixels), good battery, fingerprint reader, USB type-C.

    Okay things: similar screen, same amount of RAM, same amount of storage (I assume hatred for 16gb), no SD storage as before.

    Negative things: no OIS (as above), no wireless charging (a deal breaker, for many).

    Overall seems like a pretty decent device given the price, but there is room they could have improved.

    1. Re:Good and bad about 5X by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      The camera seems to be the most promising improvement. I'm also glad they didn't improve the display resolution.
      Otherwise the 5X will perform better, just not "2 years" better than the old Nexus 5. Smartphone performance seems to have reached a "good enough" plateau.

    2. Re:Good and bad about 5X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      no SD, seriously braindead stupid, the ONE thing that has consistently pissed me off about my nexus 5 and 7.

    3. Re:Good and bad about 5X by Godai · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I would be bummed b the wireless charging removal except that its so terrible relative to the USB-C charging. The latter has quick charge: 4 hours of life in 10 minutes, and in general, is just way, way faster to charge. Wireless is nice, but it's always super sloooooooow.

      Someday there'll be QuckCharge wireless, and I'll be chomping at the bit. But with USB-C (no more mangling of ports!) I really don't care about wireless anymore.

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    4. Re:Good and bad about 5X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Without an SD card, how can I get files from my computer onto the device?
      MTP is far from usable.

    5. Re:Good and bad about 5X by corychristison · · Score: 2

      Back in August, I was considering an upgrade from my LG Nexus 4. I was looking at a few phones and was told by friends to wait and see what the next line of Nexus devices had to offer. I had been watching rumours and I was curious to see what was to become of the Nexus 5.

      I caught a good deal on a Motorola X Play (not available in the US) so I took advantage of it at the end of August.

      Looking at these specs, I'm actually glad I didn't wait. The Moto X Play has turned out to be a great phone, and the new Nexus 5 appears to be more expensive for less (smaller battery, lower res camera, no SD slot, and I have no use for a fingerprint reader). While the Nexus 5X has faster processor and GPU I really don't think it would make much difference, and I do not play video games so I don't see the need for it.

      The only thing I think would have been nice was having it unlocked from the factory... but that really doesn't matter as unlock codes are easy to come by.

    6. Re:Good and bad about 5X by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      Why did they create MTP? It's annoying not to be able to mount my phone in linux. For some reason, it's easier for me to use adb to access my files on my phone in linux than MTP

    7. Re:Good and bad about 5X by Greger47 · · Score: 1

      Okay things: similar screen, same amount of RAM

      Putting 2 GB of RAM in a 64-bit device is not OK. They did that in the Nexus 9 and it ran like a dog, an app in the background was a dead app.

      The reason is twofold, 64-bit apps use more RAM due to larger pointers (a must) and often larger integers (out of convenience).

      The second is that the device needs a second set of 32-bit user space libraries for backwards compatibility. When 64-bit and 32-bit apps run at once both sets of libs need to be loaded in RAM.

      Negative things: no OIS (as above), no wireless charging (a deal breaker, for many).

      I never used the wireless charging on my Nexus 4, connecting a USB cable is easy, why would i need it?

      For my Nexus 5 I finally got a Qi charger out of curiosity and was blown away by the convenience. Just putting the phone down on the nightstand without having to fiddle with a cable was better than I could ever imagine.

      Nowadays I have wireless chargers everywhere.I slap myself when I think back on the fact that I could have had it already on the N4.

      Sadly, the lack of RAM and wireless charging are show-stoppers for me. I was really looking forward to upgrading my Nexus 5, it's an awesome phone and I was hoping for even more awesomeness from Google.

      /greger

    8. Re:Good and bad about 5X by corychristison · · Score: 1

      I don't understand the RAM argument.

      I ran my Nexus 4 with 2GB RAM until about a month ago, never once experienced an issue. I upgraded software the same day I received notifications and always ran the latest android on it.

      What the heck are people doing with phones that 2GB isn't enough? I regularly close apps when I am not using them, though.

    9. Re:Good and bad about 5X by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      2GB was great... 3 years ago. Time to move on. Everything uses more RAM, applications, web pages, etc.

    10. Re:Good and bad about 5X by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      Because MTP was the simplest protocol they could think of that allowed both devices (phone and PC) to access files at the same time.
      I agree it sucks. It would have been better to use samba and the network stack, however it would have required configuring IP addresses, permissions and such.

    11. Re:Good and bad about 5X by corychristison · · Score: 1

      As stated I used my 3 year old Nexus 4 with 2GB of RAM up until 1 month ago. I have it stuffed in a drawer as a backup. It still works perfectly.

      I only upgraded because I simply wanted a larger battery.

    12. Re:Good and bad about 5X by Greger47 · · Score: 1

      As I explained, 64-bit apps use more RAM, running 32-bit and 64-bit apps together uses more RAM.

      If they had stayed with a 32-bit CPU then yes, 2 GB RAM would still be adequate.

      To make a car analogy, they put in a bigger engine but didn't upgrade the suspension or brakes. The result is actually a worse car than the previous model because now it's a road hazard.

      /greger

    13. Re:Good and bad about 5X by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      Of course it still worked fine. But is it future-proof? Maybe not. I replaced my 1GB RAM phone because of lack of RAM.

    14. Re:Good and bad about 5X by corychristison · · Score: 2

      Honestly that is a poor argument, and poor analogy.

      Proper optimization of the build can/will curtail any negative effect on the usage of RAM. I assume Marshmallow is going to be better optimized.

      Nobody here knows because nobody here is actually using either of these devices.

      My new phone is running 64bit Android, with only 2GB of RAM. It performs fine.

    15. Re:Good and bad about 5X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would be a decent price given the price if they hadn't given it a markup to the equivalent of $513 USD in the UK instead of the US price of $375, that's not even remotely accounted for simply by VAT.

      It's a shit device for money based on UK pricing.

    16. Re:Good and bad about 5X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't external media so last millennium then? I can't even plug in an SD card in my desktop. I can plug it in a no longer used digital camera and than plug that camera in with USB to get access to my files, but that's almost the same as what I did in the 80's: I made a network over the serial ports of two computers to copy data from 5" floppies to 3" diskettes. A way to progress from old technology to new technology.

      For me it's a good thing that the market finally decides that external media is something from the past an no longer wanted. A NAS in my cellar is the only external media I need, and that data is transfered over cable or over wifi.

    17. Re:Good and bad about 5X by markus · · Score: 1

      Yeah, MTP has always been a little flaky for me. I usually just use "adb" from the command line.

      I have looking for a way to integrate "adb" into Nautilus as a virtual file-system. There is an "adb" FUSE filesystem, but I am not quite sure I like that all that much. So, for now, I recommend getting these scripts instead: http://forum.xda-developers.co...

      Also, if you don't want to use Nautilus, there is an "adb" based file manager called aafm. Maybe that's a good solution for some people.

    18. Re:Good and bad about 5X by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      no SD, seriously braindead stupid, the ONE thing that has consistently pissed me off about my nexus 5 and 7.

      Why? SD cards are pretty much useless in new versions of Android.

    19. Re:Good and bad about 5X by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Ouch. So they've made it 6% taller than the Nexus 5, negating the whole fucking point of having a phone that fits in a pocket, and they're charging an excessive price for it in the UK?

      Forget it, I'll buy a different phone from someone else. The Nexus 5 is an excellent phone, but the 5x is just begging to be ignored.

    20. Re:Good and bad about 5X by Nexus+Unplugged · · Score: 2

      4 hours of life in 10 minutes, and in general, is just way, way faster to charge. Wireless is nice, but it's always super sloooooooow.

      It's 7 PM right now, and the battery on my Nexus 5 is at 86%. The last time I gave any conscious thought to charging my phone was weeks ago. That's just not possible without wireless charging. Who cares that your phone charges slower when your battery never drops below 50%? USB-only means that I would go back to forgetting to plug in my phone when it needs it, and having to scramble to find a (new, not yet common) charger. That's a step backwards, and it's a deal breaker for me.

    21. Re:Good and bad about 5X by savuporo · · Score: 1

      Overall seems like a pretty decent device given the price

      The summary failed to give the price. Google says $379 5X, and $499 for 6P ( i dont care about subsidized prices )

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    22. Re:Good and bad about 5X by khellendros1984 · · Score: 1

      I'd be ALL OVER IT if Google produced a new Nexus device with a 4.5" screen, wireless charging, and a MicroSD slot. The move to non-removable media, both with phones and with laptops, makes no sense to me. Something seems wrong when the easiest way to get media onto my phone is by using scp.

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    23. Re:Good and bad about 5X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So how do you get data from your NAS to your Android device?

    24. Re:Good and bad about 5X by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      Very nice - thank you

    25. Re:Good and bad about 5X by samwichse · · Score: 1

      http://www.motorola.com/us/pro...

      Even the US-spec Moto x pure (2015) has: 3gb RAM, the same hexacore snapdragon 808, a microSD card slot, larger, higher-res screen etc. All with a starting price of only $20 more (and you can usually find a $30-50 off deal if you shop around). And it has pretty much vanilla Android.

      Looks like the Nexus magic (getting a great deal) is over.

    26. Re:Good and bad about 5X by corychristison · · Score: 1

      Yes I would have preferred the X Pure, but it's not available in Canada.

      I got my Moto X Play for $260 CAD. Regular price was $410 from Koodo. They have a continuous promo of $50 off if you buy the phone "On the Tab" (ie. finance it). But I got in on an additional launch promo where I could choose a free Moto 360 or $100 Visa Gift Card. I turned around and used the gift card to pay down the tab another $100, effectively getting the phone for $260 out of pocket.

  2. No wireless charging by hawguy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm disappointed by the lack of wireless charging on both the 5X and 6P. Sure, wired USB-C charging may be faster that wireless and the omnidirectional connector is more convenient than Micro-USB, but still, I like being able to drop the phone on my nightstand in the dark without fumbling for cables.

    1. Re:No wireless charging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame.

    2. Re:No wireless charging by danbob999 · · Score: 0

      but it has wireless and more space than a nomad!

    3. Re:No wireless charging by Snufu · · Score: 1

      Wireless charging is the only discriminating factor in phones for me. The convenience of not having to fumble for the cable, fumble for the port, and thread the needle 2-3 times a day is the most important factor for me. All the other stuff is indistinguishable. Even the OS choice seems less distinguishing (I bought a Nexus 5 over an iphone only because the Andoid phone had built in wireless charging.)

    4. Re:No wireless charging by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      It's probably too make the NFC antenna larger. That makes payments easier. With the fingerprint sensor taking up some space they want as much of the remaining area to be part of the NFC antenna.

      There is a slim hope that the phone will have provision for fitting a wireless charger, but I'm not expecting it. Won't be pre-ordering now.

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    5. Re:No wireless charging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's aluminum -- can't exactly charge through metal...not until recently at least, which was probably too late for the product cycle.

    6. Re:No wireless charging by hawguy · · Score: 2

      It's aluminum -- can't exactly charge through metal...not until recently at least, which was probably too late for the product cycle.

      So don't make the case out of metal.

      I can't remember the last time I've seen any phone (android or apple) that's not in a protective case anyway, so why does it matter what the phone's case is made of?

    7. Re:No wireless charging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Probably because people prefer metal over plastic, even if they wrap it in Styrofoam after. You're assuming people buy phones for their utility, and I'd say that's where you're only half correct. I would say at least half the population buy it for the status.

    8. Re:No wireless charging by markus · · Score: 1

      There have been technology demos that show successful charging through metal. But it's not Qi compatible and it won't really be ready for the mass market for at least another year or so. So, yeah, at this point, they would have had to avoid using a metal case. But next year, that's no longer a good argument.

    9. Re:No wireless charging by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Two to three times a day? Yeah, that would be a hassle. I charge my iPhone 6 every couple of days via the nice lightening cable that I can put in without seeing it. Really doesn't interfere with my lifestyle at all.

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    10. Re:No wireless charging by khellendros1984 · · Score: 1

      I charge my iPhone 6 once every day, about the same time that I charge my Nexus 5. They're each usually at anywhere from 5-40% battery, depending on how heavily I've used them during the day. The iPhone's cable doesn't interfere with much, but if I had a choice, it'd be sitting on a charging pad right next to the Nexus.

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    11. Re:No wireless charging by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Plastic is a better material for phones anyway, because it recovers its shape if bent. I would hope that they strengthened their aluminium body to prevent it bending in your pocket after Apple's failure highlighted the issue, but most other bend-proof phones are plastic.

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  3. Pass for now ... by gstoddart · · Score: 2

    I think I'll wait to see how badly this does on my older Nexus 7.

    My experience is Google might want to push it to me, but that the device stands a pretty good chance of being rendered useless with an update which is either badly tested or too damned slow.

    Besides, day 1 updates are for suckers who don't realize they get to be the beta testers and find all the problems.

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    1. Re:Pass for now ... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Apparently the original 2012 Nexus 7 is not getting Marshmallow. It will still get updates for security, apps and Google system components, but the core OS will stay on Lollipop.

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    2. Re:Pass for now ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure this is a hardware announcement, not M? So I'm not sure what you're passing on for your Nexus 7...are you trying to mate it with a Nexus 6 to get a Nexus 6.5 or something?

    3. Re:Pass for now ... by Blue+Stone · · Score: 1

      It was only ever guaranteed 3 major point upgrades, which it got. Marshmallow would be the forth, so, no real surprises there.

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    4. Re:Pass for now ... by jareth-0205 · · Score: 1

      Apparently the original 2012 Nexus 7 is not getting Marshmallow. It will still get updates for security, apps and Google system components, but the core OS will stay on Lollipop.

      Given how badly it performs, it really should never have got Lollipop.

  4. 5X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The 5X looks ok, I guess, and the price is right. They just couldn't help themselves and made it substantially bigger than the Nexus 5. I suppose all electronic devices must eventually evolve into phablets.

    And for that cadre of haters that hate the word plablet; the Nexus 6P phablet is just as bad a phablet as the Nexus 6 phablet. Phablet phablet phablet.

  5. Why Android on Pixel by CSHARP123 · · Score: 2

    It would have been much better going Chrome instead of Android. Blown-up phone apps are horrendous on Android tablets. Why would a keyboard cost so much? With all these new keyboard, pen attachments with Tablets, I think MS was on right track on Surface (not the pro). But was executed as usual badly.

    1. Re:Why Android on Pixel by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Honestly, I bought a Bluetooth keyboard case for my Nexus 7 for something like $25 ... if you feel you need a keyboard, buy one and stop bitching about it.

      It's a well solved problem. For the 99% of the time I don't need a keyboard, it's not really much of a big deal ... and a few times a year I put up the kickstand, turn on the keyboard, and type.

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    2. Re:Why Android on Pixel by CSHARP123 · · Score: 1

      That's what I am asking when we can get BT keyboard for $25 why pay fucking 150 bucks.

    3. Re:Why Android on Pixel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The real question is not "why they put Android on a Pixel", but "why they branded an Android tablet 'Pixel'". Reusing a brand name for something different leads to customer confusion, as Microsoft learned with "Windows Live".

    4. Re:Why Android on Pixel by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Because they can ... and because people will pay for it.

      Paying that kind of money for an OEM Bluetooth keyboard? That's someone who hasn't been paying attention and is easily separated from their money.

      Everybody acts like the keyboard with a Surface tablet is some great invention.

      The reality is, a cheap Bluetooth keyboard will pair with pretty much anything ... Android, Apple, Microsoft, Samsung. And they've been around for years.

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    5. Re:Why Android on Pixel by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

      When I can get a Windows 10" tablet and matching keyboard for less than $250 I don't see the need to get an Android or Chrome tablet at all anymore. Since I upgraded to Windows 10 it's actually a very capable device. And with a full size USB 3 port I can connect a port replicator and use it as a desktop replacement as well.

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    6. Re:Why Android on Pixel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stone him! Stone him! Windows fanboy!!

    7. Re:Why Android on Pixel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh. You must be some kind of fancy-pants IT guy or something.

      Most fools don't know this and buy that keyboard made specially for their tablet and pay 5-10x what a regular B/T keyboard would cost.

      Now you are going to rob those ass-fuckers looking to ass-fuck their customers out of being able to give a good ass fuck. That's not nice.

    8. Re:Why Android on Pixel by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      I have a nexus 10 and I do not have an issue with the apps being blown up phone apps. The apps are fine IMHO.
      However does this mean ChromeOS is dead?

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    9. Re:Why Android on Pixel by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

      As someone writing from a Linux Mint Laptop carrying a BlackBerry Classic I'm pretty much OS agnostic as long as the tool does what I need it to do. I keep an Android phone on the side to play that one game that just runs too slow on the Classic. Except for Android there aren't many Linux distros that are touch friendly that I'm aware of. Windows 10 is actually a pretty good amalgam of desktop/touch.

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    10. Re:Why Android on Pixel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ChromeOS is terrible. Why would you trust your entire digital life to live in Googles Cloud? I'm looking forward to a nice Android tablet like this.

    11. Re:Why Android on Pixel by kaiser423 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've had a number of $25 bluteooth keyboards for my tablets and they universally suck. I've probably tried 6-8. This one from Google, that latches strong enough that I can dangle the actual tablet by it, but also removes from the tablet pretty simply/quickly when I don't want it, and charges inductively rather than having to have another charging cable for it, is pretty nice. Maybe not $150 nice, but waaaaaay nicer than a $25 BT keyboard, and just slightly above that $25 price range, the BT keyboard market tops out still without implementing those other features.

    12. Re:Why Android on Pixel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bought an OTG USB cable. Allows me to use the nexus with any regular USB device. No batteries for the keyboard, and I get a better selection of keyboards, from the full size (if needed) to the happy hacker's mini keyboards I typically pack in the same pouch as the tablet.

      So in effect, I bought a $5 cable, and then use the plethora of keyboards I already had available.

    13. Re:Why Android on Pixel by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 1

      I think it would be much better if Google actually simply brought full Chrome to Android. There is no reason why Android Chrome remains a stripped down version.

    14. Re:Why Android on Pixel by Chalnoth · · Score: 1

      That's a good question. ChromeOS is a heck of a lot more convenient if all you want to do is use web apps (the nearly instant boot time is a big plus: Android devices can take more than a minute for a simple boot, and 45+ minutes for an OS update), but Android offers a much broader variety of functionality. Because of this, I suspect many people will continue to go for ChromeOS devices. I suspect this one is using Android primarily because it doubles as a tablet, and ChromeOS really isn't designed for that.

    15. Re:Why Android on Pixel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No batteries for the keyboard, and I get a better selection of keyboards, from the full size (if needed) to the happy hacker's mini keyboards I typically pack in the same pouch as the tablet.

      Except that if you use USB for the keyboard, either you have to use a usb splitter & wall charger or you're always forced to drain your battery while you're using the keyboard/tablet.

    16. Re:Why Android on Pixel by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      Can't USB-OTG feed into a hub powered by those 10000 mAh battery packs?

    17. Re:Why Android on Pixel by CSHARP123 · · Score: 1

      I dont think you have ever used Android on Tablets. Even the Google apps are nothing but blown-up phone apps.
      It is not just me telling that. Go and read some tech reviewers view as well. Here is one from Arstechnica http://arstechnica.com/gadgets...

    18. Re:Why Android on Pixel by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Actually I have a Nexus 10, Nexus 7, and my current phone is a MotoX.
      Yes I have. Google mail does not seem like a blown up phone app to me. Play Store, Play Music, Play book, and Youtube all work really well on my tablet.
      Yes I have been using Android Tablets for a while and they work just fine as do the apps I use.

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  6. NOPE by snarfies · · Score: 3, Informative

    "Incorporating a unibody build, it doesn't look like you'll be able to remove the back cover or battery"

    Stopped reading right there - do not want.

    1. Re:NOPE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, that too (in addition to my other arguments for the LG G3 above). A phone having a life equal to that of it's battery is just fucking nuts.

      Oh, and the G3 has Cyanogenmod too, which is a deal-breaker for me.

    2. Re:NOPE by ZorinLynx · · Score: 2

      As an iPhone user I've occasionally envied my Android-using friends for their removable batteries and SD slots.

      Now that major phone makers are taking those features away, Android phones are losing two of their biggest advantages over iPhones. I even know at least one Android-using person who is thinking of switching to the iPhone because "What's the point without being able to swap batteries and SD cards?"

      Big mistake. And I say this as an iPhone user who still wants Android to succeed because I shudder at what Apple would do without real competition.

    3. Re:NOPE by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      I even know at least one Android-using person who is thinking of switching to the iPhone because "What's the point without being able to swap batteries and SD cards?"

      That's funny, I just picked up a phone with swappable batteries and SD cards: the Samsung Galaxy S4. It's not brand-new of course, but it works great for me, and I'm not really sure why I would need anything newer. It's even still supported by the manufacturer for software updates; I just got one last month. Or if I decide to move to CyanogenMod, it's well-supported there too, unlike most phones.

      And if I do want something newer, I can upgrade to the Galaxy S5, which also has swappable batteries and SD cards, AND is waterproof!

      (Of course, I'll avoid the Galaxy S6 since it eliminated all three of those features for some dumb reason, and added nothing of value.)

      The S5 is only a year or so old at this point; why are fools like him deciding to abandon the platform just because these features are disappearing from this year's line-up? It's not like you have to change your phone every year.

  7. Touting the CPU? Snooze. by DulcetTone · · Score: 1

    Battery life and good design are more valuable to the majority of users.

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  8. I think I'll pass for the LG G3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    LG G3s are going for much less money these days, both used and new. They are at the end of their store-shelf life and that's the best time to buy them because the stores and carriers are throwing money a you to buy them.

    About the only thing the 5P has on the G3 is the processor but honestly, the processor in my N5 is good enough for me. I don't game or compute PI or do theoretical physics on it. Just about everything else on the G3 is better than the 5P, most notably the 128GB SD card slot. As much as I love the Nexus line, I'm really coming to hate that lack of SD card slot.

    So what if the 5P has USB-C. There's nothing about my N5's USB that leaves me wanting.

    1. Re:I think I'll pass for the LG G3 by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but you're not supposed to need any mass storage on your phone, you're supposed to put everything in the cloud, and then pay hefty data charges to access it!!!

  9. 16 or 32 GB of storage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wait what, Nexus 5X can only have 16 or 32 GB of internal storage? Come on, you could have went to at least 64 GB on the smaller phone.

    1. Re:16 or 32 GB of storage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      They didn't need to. If you need more storage just pop an SD-card in. Oh. Wait...

    2. Re:16 or 32 GB of storage? by danbob999 · · Score: 2

      They didn't make a 64GB phone because nobody would have bought it outside of this slashdot conversation.

    3. Re:16 or 32 GB of storage? by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      No, you're supposed to put all that stuff in the cloud. Then you're not supposed to worry about it when you get charged $$$ because you went way, way over your data plan allowance.

    4. Re:16 or 32 GB of storage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you are supposed to put your files to Google Drive, where you can pay a monthly fee for the luxury that Google will mine and sell your data to all interested parties. That is also the reason why there are no sd-card slots anymore.

  10. Why wireless charging? by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't get why people are so enamored with "wireless" charging.

    I put that in scare-quotes because the wireless charging pads all have cords. So instead of just a cord, you have a cord and a pad...

    The Apple Watch has wireless charging and I don't find it any handier than using a cable. It can look cleaner but I don't see that it really gets you much.

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    1. Re:Why wireless charging? by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't use wireless charging (yet), but it seems for me the best advantage would be less wear and tear on the connector.

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    2. Re:Why wireless charging? by Coren22 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I use this on my phone. It is nice as my phone has dust/water plugs in all the jack slots which are pretty flimsy. I also can simply drop the phone into the charger and not worry about plugging and unplugging cables. The ports also wear over time, wireless charging receivers don't. It is also nice in the car as I just drop it into a holder which keeps it in a decent spot for navigation and charges automatically.

      Car: http://smile.amazon.com/Itian-...

      Home: http://smile.amazon.com/gp/pro...

      It is nice to have a water resistant phone and not have to worry about getting wet in the rain or falling into a pool, or whatever might ruin other phones.

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    3. Re:Why wireless charging? by kqs · · Score: 3, Interesting

      USB-c connecters are much better than micro-USB, so wear and tear isn't a big issue. Though that's a low bar; micro-USB is terrible.

      I do like wireless charging, but if the choice is "micro-USB and Qi" vs "USB-c", I'll take USB-c, thanks.

    4. Re:Why wireless charging? by countach74 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Wireless charging is one of those things that seems kind of pointless until you try it. I imagine it doesn't have the same sort of utility on a smart watch, though, since you (probably) aren't taking your watch off and putting it on the desk every time you sit down. With wireless charging, since it's as simple as setting your device down, I've found it's substantially easier to keep my phone's battery in the lithium ion's happy 40-80% range. Plus it means I almost always have a pretty good charge on my phone, which is good, since I have a Nexus 5. :) I have to say, the lack of wireless charging's a rather big bummer to me--not that I was looking to upgrade yet.

    5. Re:Why wireless charging? by JackieBrown · · Score: 2

      I don't get why people are so enamored with "wireless" charging.

      Echoing the two posts above me. My usb port is always the first thing to go on my phones. Wireless charging means I only need to plug in my phone when updating to a new rooted OS image.

    6. Re:Why wireless charging? by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

      At a desk I usually have a charging cord around, to me it seems just as easy to plop it on there for a bit as a charging pad.

      Honestly even a bit easier, because the desk I'm normally at is pretty cluttered, and a pad would get buried while a cord I can pull out to be on top.

      You're right that I don't charge the watch at all during the day.

      The other issue with a charging pad is that I have to bring one traveling - but I think for most phones that doesn't matter, as generally they let you charge either by pad or USB.

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    7. Re:Why wireless charging? by psavo · · Score: 1

      Watch is a different thing from a phone which you can just plonk on the pad. Watch you have to remove from hand and it's bothersome operation in itself. Plonking phone in contrast is much simpler than fiddling with the retarted microusb connector which is always the right way only on the third try.

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    8. Re:Why wireless charging? by DroolTwist · · Score: 1

      It is convenient not having to carry cables around with you. I have three, one for the car, one for the office, and one for home. It is extremely convenient. I don't have to look for a wall outlet, or plug a usb cable into my pc or laptop.

    9. Re:Why wireless charging? by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 1

      Wireless charging means a phone like the Galaxy S6 can remain completely sealed against dust and water at all times. It also means less risk of damage from strain on the connector.

    10. Re:Why wireless charging? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I really don't want to go back to wired only charging now. I can do everything else wirelessly. It's a real deal-breaker, and I was ready to pony up for a Nexus 6P.

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    11. Re:Why wireless charging? by Walter+White · · Score: 1

      Personal preference, I guess. I really like being able to set my phone in a dock and it charges. And I do not need a proprietary dock. Same for automotive use. I just stick it to the dock and it's charging.

      Yes, one more piece to have but for me so much more convenient. I guess it's a matter of personal choice.

      My current phone is a Nexus 5 that developed a cracked screen over the weekend. I was ready to pull the trigger on the Nexus 5x but I'm having second thoughts. Maybe a Nexus 6 which does support wireless charging.

    12. Re:Why wireless charging? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The other issue with a charging pad is that I have to bring one traveling - but I think for most phones that doesn't matter, as generally they let you charge either by pad or USB.

      Most phones that do wireless charging can also be plugged in. So you can have a wireless charger at home, work and maybe the car but take a normal charger with you on trips.

    13. Re:Why wireless charging? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Coren22 all you do from what I see here is karma farming sockpuppet downmoderating those getting the better of you at every turn.

    14. Re:Why wireless charging? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem I have with wireless charging is that you can't use your phone/device while charging. I can plug in the chord into my phone and make phone calls, or surf the internet through tethering on my laptop. With wireless charging you can't do such a think, except when you tape your phone to the loading station. There is also the added complexity inside the phone. A simple connector takes less space in a phone than the wireless charing 'connector'. And I've experienced that the battery of the wireless charged phone degrades faster than a regular charger (but that might be just a coincidence or bad luck).

    15. Re:Why wireless charging? by caseih · · Score: 1

      How is USB C better than micro-USB in terms of wear and tear affecting the plug? It still that fragile contacts tab inside it. Micro USB is indeed terrible, but I don't see how USB C is any more robust, save that it is reversible so people can't break it sticking it in backwards.

    16. Re:Why wireless charging? by markus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wear and tear is definitely one of the factors. With wireless charging I don't have to worry that my kids trip over the cord and rip it out of the phone -- together with the phone's USB socket. But there are other benefits, too.

      I have a magnetic wireless charger in my car. When I get into the car, I just hold the phone against the charger, it positions itself thanks to the magnets, and it then stays in place and keeps getting charged for the entire trip. I can keep the GPS and the music player running on a long road trip and I don't have to worry about ever running out of battery.

      I also have a wireless charging pad next to my bed. Rather than trying to find the USB port when the lights are out and I am already half asleep, I just hold the phone roughly in the right spot and it attaches itself to the charger. It charges (almost) as fast as with my USB 2.0 cable, but probably not as fast as with a 15W fast charger. But who cares if it takes 2h to fully charge while I am asleep.

    17. Re:Why wireless charging? by markus · · Score: 1

      You actually have it exactly the wrong way round. The nice thing about wireless charging is that I can use it while it is being charged, and I don't even need to do anything special (e.g. plug in a cable) to do this.

      The difference is, you are talking about a desktop charger, whereas I am talking about a car charger. That's really the niche where wireless charging shines. Get in the car, hold the phone next to the car dock, it magnetically attaches itself and starts charging. All completely seamless. When you arrive at your destination, pick up the phone and leave the car.

      And if you need to the phone in the car (take calls, use the GPS, listen to music), you can perfectly do that. Heck, if you need to briefly pick it up to enter an "OK Google" command, you can do that as well -- and then afterwards you place it back into the dock.

    18. Re: Why wireless charging? by johnsnails · · Score: 1

      I just bought a $50 car cradle with the wireless charging, sooo easy just popping the phone in the cradle and not having to worry about chords.

    19. Re:Why wireless charging? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For me the biggest benefit of the wireless charging (and I used it on a Nexus 4, Nexus 7, Nexus 5, and my current Nexus 6) is that I can just put the thing on on pad (I use the Tylt, but have others as well) and call it done. I am getting quite far sighted so it is a real pain to try to connect a micro-usb cable. There is always the "doen't go that way, doesn't go the other way, doesn't go the first way, finally goes the fourth way" problem with them and when you have a hard time seeing them - damn what a pain. For those with perfect site I imagine there isn't as much benefit for the wireless. Fortunately with the USB-C I won't have the same issue - but it still won't be as nice as just plopping the device down on the Tylt charger.

    20. Re:Why wireless charging? by skiflyer · · Score: 1

      Because it's awesome. I was once like you, thinking it was just a gimmick, but then I bought a wireless charger and I'll never look back. There are so many benefits it's not even worth listing a handful since I may or may not hit the ones you care about, but really, the chargers cost about $12 now (you pay the extra $7 because 3-coil is where it's at), so just try it and you'll understand much more completely.

    21. Re:Why wireless charging? by bemymonkey · · Score: 1

      For me, it's mainly being able to put the phone on the nightstand charging pad when I'm half asleep and not needing to fumble with a cable in the dark. Also, keeping a charging pad on my desk so that the phone's always topped up. If I did that with a cable, I'd need to plug in the phone every time I put it down...

    22. Re:Why wireless charging? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Though that's a low bar; micro-USB is terrible.

      Micro-USB is not terrible. Cheap arse chinese made crap quality micro-USB plugs are terrible. Much of the failure on MicroUSB also comes to how the physical connector is mounted to the circuit board. They don't often fail internally.

    23. Re:Why wireless charging? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've bent micro usb plugs because they were in the "wrong way".

      I didn't force it. Some connectors are just much too easy to bend (see: Galaxy Nexus; the whole plug recesses into the phone) It's also worse with generic car kits, because you tend to try a slight angle. If you don't have to care about which way round the plug is -- and it's hard to see under the dash -- it's one less problem.

      Granted, it's possible to make micro USB stronger. Some kit is fine. However, not every micro USB cable and plug comes from the same manufacturer, so the tolerances are loose and the quality varies.

      It's always a good idea to design it so that the tolerances and quality matter less.

    24. Re:Why wireless charging? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      The plug has always been sacraficial by design. Anyone complaining about it should try replacing a socket at some point.

      Unfortunately there are a lot of cheap sockets on the market that are constructed to poor tollerances or better still not mounted correctly on the PCB. Micro-USB has a crap reputation because of that, but no because of its design.

    25. Re:Why wireless charging? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      At a desk I usually have a charging cord around, to me it seems just as easy to plop it on there for a bit as a charging pad.

      As a habitual nail biter with a water proof phone I can categorically say that plugging the phone in to charge is the single most complicated activity I do with my phone on a daily basis. Currently I can't actually do it without a tool for assistance. (Yes I know I'm trying to quit my filthy habit)

      As a result I have been using wireless charging for years.

    26. Re:Why wireless charging? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no phone that is exclusively wireless charging...

    27. Re: Why wireless charging? by LinuxLuver · · Score: 1

      The micro-USB connector on my Nexus 5 got fried when the LG power unit that came with it fried itself one night while charging. The phone would no longer charge via the USB port. But because I could still charge it via wireless, I was still able to use my phone. But that's about it. It's useful as an alternate charging method. A Plan B.

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    28. Re:Why wireless charging? by JimFive · · Score: 1

      I quit my nail-biting habit by buying nail clippers and carrying them with me everywhere (and leaving a set at work), so instead of habitually biting them, I habitually clip them. Then I use the little file on the nail clippers to pry open those things that need fingernails. YMMV
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  11. No microSD slot. No, thanks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    No microSD, no thanks. You'd think Google would have gotten the memo by now.

    1. Re:No microSD slot. No, thanks. by The6thDimension · · Score: 1

      I agree. It doesn't matter if the rest of the specs are great (or not) without a microsd card it just doesn't work for my needs.

    2. Re:No microSD slot. No, thanks. by Stormwatch · · Score: 2

      Ditto here. I would never buy a phone without microSD.

    3. Re:No microSD slot. No, thanks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They did get the memo. That's a feature that only people posting in this thread care about. >95% of those slots never got used on previous models.

    4. Re:No microSD slot. No, thanks. by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      You know, it didn't even need a "slot". An internal - can't-be-easily-user-replaced SD slot would be fine just so that you could buy your phone and the amount of storage you need; even if it means replacing requires a special software procedure.

      I think I've taken the SD card out of my G3 once - to replace the 64GB card (96GB total) with a 128GB card (160GB total) when I needed more space.

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    5. Re:No microSD slot. No, thanks. by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      No microSD, no thanks. You'd think Google would have gotten the memo by now.

      yeah i am actually more interested in the new $50 amazon fire tablet because it has a fucking microsd slot. it don't need great specs on my tablet it is a consumption device I need storage, I have a massive media library and I can put a good chunk of the most used on it.

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    6. Re:No microSD slot. No, thanks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to say that, but I broke my Galaxy 4 and borrowed a friend's old Moto (smaller version of Nexus 6) until this round of Nexuses was released. For the past few months I've been using the Moto and have not missed the microSD option at all.

    7. Re:No microSD slot. No, thanks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop living in the past

    8. Re:No microSD slot. No, thanks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most Motorola phones do have microSD, including the new flagship, Moto X Style (or X Pure in the US).

  12. R.I.P. Sonos? by Simulant · · Score: 1

    I'm all over the $35.00 Chromecast audio dongles as I've got plenty of good speakers lying around. Would have been nice if they could be battery powered... we'll see how long one lasts on the usb charging port of the Klipsch KMC1. Even so.... we can now get synchronized, multi-room sound at a far more affordable price than a Sonos system.

  13. Google is incosistent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google started of well with the Nexus 5 a few years back, as a cheap good enough alternative, but then screwed up with inconsistent updates and inconsistent pricing.

    Look at Nexus 6 pricing history. Started off with a price close to iPhone and quickly went down to almost half of that.

    Add to this the happy privacy violator, stupidly slow, java based OS, and I don't see why anybody would want to go with them.

    1. Re:Google is incosistent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Add to this the happy privacy violator, stupidly slow, java based OS, and I don't see why anybody would want to go with them.

      You answered your own question: "price almost half of the iPhone 6". That's for a phone with better hardware specs and better software.

      Android isn't meaningfully slower than iOS. Both Android and iOS have large and performance critical portions written in C and C++; apps use a mix of Java and C++ on Android.

      As for "privacy violations", who are you kidding? Apple sucks in all your data, just like Google.

      You Apple fanboys really need to get better information.

  14. MicroSD and Removable Battery? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm assuming since this article mentions nothing about either, that these phones are still actually pieces of shit. It doesn't matter what the specs are without these two features.

  15. Re:I use this to annihilate you by Coren22 · · Score: 0

    Wow, I must have really touched off a nerve there. Don't like being proven wrong over and over again? Perhaps you should improve yourself than instead of attacking the messenger.

    When you have something useful to say instead of ad hominem attacks and repeatedly posting the same thing which is false, let me know.

    Yes, you need admin privs to access the hosts file. That is because YOU SHOULDN'T BE DOING THAT.

    Enjoy your ass being handed to you yet again. Thank you for your time.

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  16. Not everyone wants a gigantic phone by ZorinLynx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It seems Google is ignoring those people who don't want a HUGE phone. The two models should have been the giant screened phone, and a smaller phone for those who like to actually be able to climb stairs with it in their pocket.

    1. Re:Not everyone wants a gigantic phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. Glad I am not the only one with this opinion.

    2. Re:Not everyone wants a gigantic phone by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      I recommend getting a holster. I understand wanting to be able to have your phone in your pocket for convenience, but seriously, a phone of any size in your pocket is still a pain if you're wearing jeans. A holster fixes all these problems.

      What Google *really* screwed up on (yet again) is not putting in a removable battery or SDcard.

      However, I will take this time to tout why the Android platform is superior to Apple: with Android, at least, if I don't like one company's phones (Google's for instance), I can go look at other company's phones and hopefully find something I like better, such as the Samsung Galaxy series before the stupid S6 removed these two features. With Apple, you're stuck with whatever they decide is best for you.

    3. Re:Not everyone wants a gigantic phone by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      It seems Google is ignoring those people who don't want a HUGE phone. The two models should have been the giant screened phone, and a smaller phone for those who like to actually be able to climb stairs with it in their pocket.

      I do. I want a tablet that I can make phone calls from, I have a blue-tooth headphone/mic why not let me make calls and carry one device. Because the service providers won't let you get voice plan on a tablet; only data. So we are getting phablets that let people have small tablets that you can make calls from. It is an end run around the service providers by the manufacturers and customers that want one device. Once the Cellular service providers start letting you have voice on any device you will see a smaller phones and small tablets differentiate again.

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    4. Re:Not everyone wants a gigantic phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm in the market for a

      Does such a phone exist yet, or will 3GB phones only be released in a reasonable form factor long after 3GB is no longer enough to browse the web?

    5. Re:Not everyone wants a gigantic phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm in the market for a <5" phone with 3GB memory and an SD card slot. Bonus points for a removable battery.

      Does such a phone exist yet, or will 3GB phones only be released in a reasonable form factor long after 3GB is no longer enough to browse the web?

      (Apologies for the previous post. The captcha distracted me from the preview.)

    6. Re:Not everyone wants a gigantic phone by Chalnoth · · Score: 1

      Take a look at the Sony Xperia Z3. It may be a tiny bit bigger than you're looking for (5.2" display), but has the other stuff.

    7. Re:Not everyone wants a gigantic phone by Rinikusu · · Score: 1

      I"m in the huge phone camp (note 4), but I'd love to see what they could do with a high density screen on, say, that samsung galaxy alpha? form factor.

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    8. Re:Not everyone wants a gigantic phone by JanneM · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sony Z5 Compact should be good for you? Definitely high end, and smaller than any other premium phone out there, iphone included.

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    9. Re:Not everyone wants a gigantic phone by ZorinLynx · · Score: 1

      >I recommend getting a holster.

      I got mine at PreserveYourVirginity.com!

      Seriously, while I do wear one at work, a holster doesn't win you a lot of points in the looks department when you're out socially. It took me a while to recognize this fact ten years ago, and had a couple friends point out to me just how dorky they look. :)

      I like to be able to have my phone in my pocket when out and about, anywhere other than work, where holsters fit right in with the standard polo shirt and khaki pants IT uniform.

    10. Re:Not everyone wants a gigantic phone by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Well there's the Samsung Galaxy S4, which I just got recently. It's a couple years old now, but it meets 2 of your 3 factors, plus the removable battery. It only has 2GB RAM instead of 3 though, but it seems to work well enough for me, even with the Samsung bloatware/crapware on it. You can always install CyanogenMod on it to get rid of that. The screen is right at 5". You can also go for the S5 which is 5.1" and adds a waterproof case and Gorilla Glass 3 (but still only 2GB).

      Honestly, I don't know why 3GB is important to you. You don't need it for simple web-browsing.

    11. Re:Not everyone wants a gigantic phone by jabuzz · · Score: 1

      Or just get a Z3 Compact, or if you want it a bit cheaper there are some good deals on the Z1 Compact, and mine just got 5.1 at the weekend so still getting updates.

  17. time to skip by u19925 · · Score: 1

    Hi Google, I have been using Nexus 5 since Nov-15. However, no OIS means I am skipping these two phones. See you next year unless I get tempted by the dark side.

    1. Re:time to skip by u19925 · · Score: 1

      Hi Google, I have been using Nexus 5 since Nov-15. However, no OIS means I am skipping these two phones. See you next year unless I get tempted by the dark side.

      Sorry, Nov-13.

    2. Re:time to skip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a trade off in photography where you either go for image stabilization or a faster lens. Google chose the faster lens which I very much prefer as a photographer.

    3. Re:time to skip by u19925 · · Score: 1

      There is a trade off in photography where you either go for image stabilization or a faster lens. Google chose the faster lens which I very much prefer as a photographer.

      No, there isn't any tradeoff. Not sure who is feeding you this junk. I have been using OIS lenses since 1997 (Canon ES-970, first consumer camcorder with OIS has f/1.8 lens, faster than Nexus 5x and Nexus 6P). You can have both. When subject is moving, you need fast lens. When subject is steady and you don't have tripod, you need image stabilization. OIS can give you 3-5 stops advantage while new Nexus lenses are only 1/2 stop faster than 2 year old Nexus 5.

  18. Re:I use this to annihilate you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How many security pros in apk's post say hosts files are good security Coren22? Real ones, not wannabes like you.

  19. Re:I use this to annihilate you by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

    Even though it's wildly off-topic, I guess I'm wondering why you would bother with a host file on each machine versus something at your router - just null-route the shit you would usually put in your host file and be done with it for the whole network at once.

    But I guess maintaining a hosts file on hundreds of machines gives you something to do besides AC stalk people on Slashdot?

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  20. Re:Very good - that's my point vs. his bs by Coren22 · · Score: 2

    So very cute seeing you trying to claim that I am

    "THE GREATEST COMPUTER SECURITY GUY (lol, NOT) on earth"

    , something I have never claimed to be. But it is adorable to see you agreeing with yourself over and over again. Sockpuppeting as an AC just really makes my point for me.

    I have not contradicted myself, and if you would go back and reread your posts, you would realize I simply stopped responding, which is not the same thing as you being right, no matter how often you claim it to be.

    So, how does your hosts file prevent its user from being MiTM attacked by you yourself? Are we as users supposed to go through your 11 mb (according to you) hosts file to make sure you didn't put in an entry for Bank of America or some other banking site that points to your personal server? Or are you claiming we should just trust you?

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  21. Cables still better in that case by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    It is convenient not having to carry cables around with you.

    I totally agree - which is still why I think cables are better.

    In order not to have to carry around cables, I have charging cables set up at home, in the car, and at work...

    If those were three charging pads I'd be spending more than I am with cables! For any place you might put a charging pad, there is very little difference to me between putting in a pad and a permanent cable - except the pad is more expensive. It doesn't even look better because wires are still running to hit, though there is some furniture that attempts to artfully hide that. But there is far cables also...

    If I do need to carry a cable just in case, cables are much less bulky than even small charging pads.

    I have to admit though none of that matters much because I have a large phone now and never really need to charge it during the day.

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  22. Re:Very good - that's my point vs. his bs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Coren22 then you've got no business trying him. He's got pros in computer security recommending his ware and technique. You've stalked apk for months on hosts, we all have seen it here on slashdot, and you lose badly every single time. Call me sock puppet all you like but you have failed. Saying admin privelege use is bad yet you use it yourself is hypocritically contradicting yourself Coren22. Many wares require it. Security ones do too.

  23. Pixel C is A5 by KonoWatakushi · · Score: 1

    The Pixel C is almost exactly the A5 ISO paper size. The display is 2560x1800 at 308ppi, and the speaker even mentions the sqrt(2) aspect ratio, so this isn't likely to be a coincidence. Another attractive device, following the 3:2 (2560x1700) Pixel. It is unfortunate that more manufacturers don't follow suit and insist on using TV resolutions.

    Sadly, the usual complaints apply: no pen/digitizer, and pitiful storage options. Also disappointing is the still missing nexus7, which was a very nice device at reasonable price point. An A6 replacement for the 16:10 nexus7 would be welcome. The size would be only a bit larger, but with a better aspect ratio for print or web pages.

    1. Re:Pixel C is A5 by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 1

      Why not just get one of the Samsung 7" or 8" devices? I mean, Google isn't Apple: Google doesn't have to make everybody happy. Nexus devices are more a showcase of new technologies than anything else.

    2. Re:Pixel C is A5 by Moof123 · · Score: 1

      Samsung devices come with a ton of bloated crap. Having gone from a Samsung to a Nexus recently I am quite pleased at how little extraneous crap there is on a pure Android install.

    3. Re:Pixel C is A5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you looked at those? Not all 7" tablets are created equal, and those are ancient devices with a miserable pixel density. The 1920x1200 7" nexus is nearly the perfect size for ebooks, and I have yet to discover a better alternative. Also, some of us want stock android devices with guaranteed updates, so anything aside from the nexus line are a non-starter.

      8" at 4:3 is akward for casual ebook reading, and the largest phablets are still too small. The problem is, if you want a larger tablet, 8" is too small, and the phablets are obnoxiously large for those who want a compact phone. The original nexus 4/7/10" size points were much preferable.

    4. Re:Pixel C is A5 by JanneM · · Score: 1

      An A4-sized version would have been nice. Could read research papers full-page without squinting. Would also give more screen space for remote connections and the like.

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    5. Re:Pixel C is A5 by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 1

      Yes, all that bloated crap is a nuisance, but most of it can be disabled. There are also other manufacturers besides Samsung, most of whom customize much less than Samsung. Chinese manufacturers usually ship something close to Google's default Android.

    6. Re:Pixel C is A5 by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      Which would make the screen exactly twice as tall, or wide, depending on perspective.

  24. Re:Data from 10 reputable security sites by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    So in other words you have no response to what I said. Good to hear.

    I have not contradicted myself, and if you would go back and reread your posts, you would realize I simply stopped responding, which is not the same thing as you being right, no matter how often you claim it to be.

    So, how does your hosts file prevent its user from being MiTM attacked by you yourself? Are we as users supposed to go through your 11 mb (according to you) hosts file to make sure you didn't put in an entry for Bank of America or some other banking site that points to your personal server? Or are you claiming we should just trust you?

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    APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  25. Coren22, did you say these things? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "What I have done is secure numerous systems on the internet" -by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @01:44PM (#50584363)

    Yea? Prove it!

    See - I can EASILY via a security guide I was PAID FOR that 1,000's used -> http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn...

    As well as a ware that DID SO WELL, hpHosts' MalwareBytes (best in the antimalware business) HAD TO MOVE TO AMAZON "UnDDoS'able" servers the demand for it and its data demanded it...

    So, bigshot blowhard:

    HOW ABOUT YOU? You've done MORE, BETTER, & EARLIER in computer security than I have?? PROVE IT!

    Oh, I am going to have a FIELDDAY on you, doing a "Cardinal Richelieu" ON YOU, asswipe... publicly humiliating your sorry bullshitting ass.

    APK

    P.S.=> Lastly: Did you also say THESE THINGS, "Mr. I AM THE GREATEST SECURITY GURU ALIVE" (lol, not - far from it, considering you're a BY ROTE FUCKING MENIAL @ BEST that can't think for himself OR create decent wares in computer security as I have, OR even write a GOOD GUIDE FOR IT that got you PAID (you merely recite the practices of others @ most/best)):

    "You have ZERO security chops, and it shows" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @01:44PM (#50584363)

    Oh, really? IF I have ZERO?? You, clearly, HAVE LESS THEN ZERO & you ARE less than zero!

    Hey - see above, blowhard bigmouth with NOTHING TO HIS NAME in the field of security but a LOT OF HOT-AIR!

    ---

    "it is funny how little you know of security APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @01:44PM (#50584363)

    Well, again - see above: YOU'VE DONE MORE, BETTER, & EARLIER IN SECURITY THAN I HAVE?

    Again, prove it...

    (We ALL KNOW you can't, blowhard troll weasel that you are - you fucking do nothing wannabe scumbag punk)... apk

    1. Re:Coren22, did you say these things? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Prove your security chops yourself. Where is your CISSP? Where is your CISM? GSEC? Security+? CEH?

      I don't have this need for internet tough guy acts like you, I have said my experience, now prove yourself if it is so important to you.

      --
      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  26. Re:I use this to annihilate you by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    I recommended a DNS zone file, but to APK it is far easier to load a hosts file across a domain.

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  27. WTF? Learn to READ, wannabe... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My 1st line is your answer dolt -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... IF I understood you correctly (do YOU even understand what you're asking?)

    * See, again: I asked you to clarify that before & YOU RAN -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    Since you're NOW "down to that alone" after I SMOKED YOU on all your other "by rote menial bs" (which is clearly all you know in security), especially since I used real security pros backing me?

    Time to FINISH YOU OFF, you little shitweasel.

    APK

    P.S.=> See, Coren22 - editing a hosts = CAKE for *ANY* user (or admin if the user doesn't have rights), you loser - TRY THAT with a DNS rules list, firewall table, OR especially "AlmostALLAdsBlocked" regex for them!

    (AND, not that mine'd have fuckups in it since my sources have removals lists they update too - since the source data's SOLID from reputable security community sites for hosts data for protection online (PLUS, my program's built-in whitelist protects things like search engines, antivirus + security ware sites & such, etc.)) - you LOSE again, fool... as always, lol... apk

    1. Re:WTF? Learn to READ, wannabe... apk by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      So your response is that a user who is concerned about the safety of your hosts file should look through the millions of records just to verify them; every time there is an update as well. Have you ever actually thought this through? Do you even look through the hosts file that is generated by whatever script you use to combine your sources?

      It sounds like you really have a handle on this security thing. All it would take is one of your sources to be compromised, and everyone who uses your software is compromised as well. I guess I am glad I don't use it, and will continue recommending against its use.

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      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  28. DNS redirect poisoning anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See my subject line above for starters. DNS rules = harder for users to edit themselves by FAR vs. hosts too

    DNS uses MORE RESOURCES BY FAR vs. hosts locally & is more complex - especially IF/WHEN setup as a separate machine (electrical power use raises bigtime too) & EVEN as a service/daemon on their single machine.

    To add to my subject line:

    Open DNS resolvers (not OpenDNS) are HUGELY a problem online as well as ROGUE DNS (which routers themselves have been exploited by too no less).

    Tell us about CISCO 2811 routers being exploited lately too, Coren22, lol...

    By the way - where'd you suggest that BEFORE now? I'd have EASILY countered it thus as I have now above... let's see it!

    Coren22 - ever heard of "layered security"/"defense-in-depth"? Hosts ARE a big part of that & I've got security pros backing me-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    DO YOU? No.

    Hosts even LIGHTEN UP remote DNS server loads (admins of them ought to like that, especially considering how often DNS goes "belly up" & they do, quite a LOT!).

    APK

    P.S.=> According to Coren22, "I know nothing about security" well, this disproves that & puts this bullshitter in his place easily -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & when I ask he show HE'S DONE more, BETTER, & earlier? We see SQUAT outta him... lol!

    ... apk

    1. Re:DNS redirect poisoning anyone? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      In a properly configured domain, the users shouldn't be able to edit your hosts file anyways, so why should the ease of editing it be any factor? DNS zones are much easier than writing a script or setting up a GPO to distribute a hosts file to a domain. Editing DNS is actually even easier than editing a hosts file anyways, so I'm not sure why you would say that the ease even matters.

      DNS is required for Windows domains, so its resource usage is already a sunk cost, also, having one copy of the database vs hundreds or thousands means you are saving resources massively over a distributed copy of a hosts file.

      You should tell Google about how much of a security problem running the 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 servers causes, I'm sure you are smarter than everyone there and can show them the error of their ways. But for those of us that live in the real world, we know that DNS is required to properly run the internet, and without it we wouldn't have the plethora of services we currently have on the internet.

      What does exploitation of an individual router have to do with anything? Windows was exploited yesterday, so we shouldn't use computers anymore, they just aren't safe. I didn't recommend the router method anyways, that was MachineShedFred. But the exploitation of a single router doesn't change what he said, which is a valid way of blocking traffic going to or coming from sites. Since you are so concerned about the exploitation of a router and using that as an argument against using them, I am guessing you will discontinue use of every computer around you as they are very easily exploited.

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      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
    2. Re:DNS redirect poisoning anyone? by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Users editing host files?

      If we're talking about security, that starts with making sure your users can't just edit system files as they please. This is true for all platforms, ever; and possible on all current platforms up to and including Windows.

      If some shit website that a user clicks on can just patch a DLL because you gave them admin, why the hell are you arguing about the damn hosts file?

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      Slashdot still doesnâ(TM)t support Unicode after it was added to the HTML standard in 1997.
  29. No. by Leslie43 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A holster doesn't change the fact that I can't operate it with one handed, or that it looks like I'm holding a tablet to my ear while using it, or won't fit in a small clutch. I'm not wearing a holster with a formal/party dress. I want a phone to communicate when I need to, maybe check the weather, look something up or take a picture, not carry a full on portable computer or tablet. If I need that on a job, I take a tablet or computer with me.

    Companies need to get it through their heads that many people have very legitimate reasons why they don't want a massive device. That doesn't mean I don't want the latest OS (don't even get me started on this), or a good camera/screen/processor/storage/memory. I just want it all in a smaller device.

    1. Re:No. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Sounds reasonable, but it doesn't seem many people agree with you, or else sales of the phablets and near-phablets wouldn't be doing so well. Companies can only sell what people are willing to purchase. If people don't want something, it won't sell. So (assuming there isn't a monopoly or oligopoly situation going on) if a bunch of people are complaining about a lack of choices, then there's only a few possibilities: 1) those people are a vocal minority, 2) what the people want just isn't feasible technically or logistically, or 3) the majority of people are acting like stupid sheep.

      Unfortunately, it does seem like #3 is a significant factor at times. But with Android phones, there is a large amount of selection.

    2. Re:No. by kamapuaa · · Score: 1

      WTF? It easily fits in your purse, and that would be a pretty fucking small clutch that couldn't fit a phone.

      They still sell the old iPhones, or lower-end 4" android phones, and you don't really need the latest high-end processor if you're only doing things like checking mail, taking a picture, etc.

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    3. Re:No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Men are often the drivers of a market but honestly? If you're a woman holding a big phone is a different experience. Women's clothes often don't have large pockets like men's and a phone causing a large bump can really ruin a lovely wardrobe. And who wants anything massive overloading a clutch? If this holds makeup and spare stockings and other essentials what space have you left? I own a 4.7" inch phone which is as big as I want to go but how do I carry this? If I'm wearing a jacket this is possible but not always and I don't want a handbag over my shoulder all the time just for a phone.

      I would like men to put themselves in the shoes of women and design and accommodate women's needs and wants too. This isn't much to ask is it? And men wonder why the women's market is inaccessible or when women try to explain simple practical issues which women need to deal with every day it becomes an intractable women's issue.

      This is really simple: women want phones which work for us too. How hard can this be?

    4. Re:No. by kamapuaa · · Score: 1

      I don't understand. Women carry purses. It's easier for a woman to have a large phone than a man for that reason. The phone goes in the purse! My wife and like every woman I know does this. I could never have as big a phone as she does, just because putting a large phone in a purse is way easier.

      Woman's clothes oftentimes doesn't have any pockets at all - making the phone smaller to accommodate non-existent pockets doesn't make any sense.

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    5. Re:No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't understand why all men think all women are the same all the time. I don't want to wear a handbag or carry a clutch everywhere.

      Women's pockets are an eternal battle. Why can't clothes designers make women's clothes with real pockets you can put more than a credit card in? It's so variable. I have bigger pockets in one of my micro skirts than I have in my regular jeans. I have a lovely jacket I wear occasionally with a pocket just big enough to carry my phone. I also have other jackets with no inside pockets at all and for no reason I can fathom. I'm not saying this is a conspiracy but there's so much pressure from man sized huge smartphones and scarcity of pockets it's almost mandated women have to carry handbags.

      One woman friend has a phablet. She loves her phone because she use this as a phone when she needs to but for her is mostly used as a convenient sized tablet at home.

      I wonder if this is a question of men and women have different priorities hence men and women having to be adaptable in different ways?

    6. Re:No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But you've kind of answered your own question. Even if it is kinda lame that women's clothes don't generally have pockets, the fact is that most women carry purses. And so for most women, large phones are fine. It's easier for women than for men, even.

      If we lived in an alternate reality where most women's clothes had pockets, and these pockets were a similar size to men's pockets but not quite as large, then yeah it would really be strange and unfortunate that there weren't slightly smaller cellphones available, catered towards women.

    7. Re:No. by Leslie43 · · Score: 1

      People agree, they may not be the majority, but there are plenty of us out there. The problem is there are no choices because size is one of the few factors carriers/manufacturers can point to that shows the phone is newer and "better" than the old models. Honestly, other than screen size is the S6 a Massive jump from an S5? If you know about phones, yes, but to a layman, not so much.

    8. Re:No. by Leslie43 · · Score: 1

      Iphones are massive compared to screen size , not to mention delicate.
      4in Androids have very little storage, and many are no longer even supported (Android is sh*t for supporting older devices). Even then, between the small storage and Google, being the geniuses that they are, removing move to SD on Kit Kat, most don't have nearly enough storage. 4gigs on Kit Kat should be considered criminal (1gig of app storage... WTF!?!). Also, most of them have garbage for screen resolution.

      My S4 works well, but at some point it too will become obsolete in terms of updates/security. At the moment, it's about as good a fit as I can find, it's borderline too large and I would prefer a better camera but checks all of the other boxes. I use some high end weather apps for storm reporting, I also have to remote into servers on occasion when a laptop is not handy. I use 14gigs worth of apps, and that's before pictures, music, app data, cache...

      As for the phone in the clutch... you do know we carry more than just phones right?

    9. Re:No. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      The problem is there are no choices because size is one of the few factors carriers/manufacturers can point to that shows the phone is newer and "better" than the old models.

      So obviously, most phone buyers care about screen size, otherwise mfgrs wouldn't tout this as such an important point.

      Honestly, other than screen size is the S6 a Massive jump from an S5? If you know about phones, yes, but to a layman, not so much.

      Yes, and layman are the people buying the vast majority of phones.

      People agree, they may not be the majority, but there are plenty of us out there.

      Apparently not enough for the phone makers to care. Either that, or these people who supposedly agree aren't actually refusing to buy the new big-screen devices, and are just caving in. Well, if you buy a big-screen device, then it's presumed that you DO want it and do care about having a big screen. If you don't want a big screen device, don't buy one. If you act like a bunch of sheep and just buy whatever the mfgrs decide to put on the market, then you shouldn't complain about what they're selling you. This is exactly why we get crap like Windows Metro (8-10 UI): so many morons just cave in and buy it that it constitutes silent assent. If you really care about something, hold out or buy an older device that suits you better.

      Windows 10 is actually a pretty good example IMO. MS, having pretty close to monopoly power, put out Windows 8 with the shitty new UI, and the sales were abysmal. So they actually responded by making some changes with 8.1. It still didn't turn things around that much, so now they have 10, with bonus spyware features!! But because they've persisted so long, and make a few small concessions with the desktop part, and made the first part free (like a cocaine dealer with the first hit), plenty of morons finally caved and installed it or bought it, so everyone's getting the Metro UI whether they like it or not.

      If you truly believe in something, you have to stand up for it, and not be a stupid sheep and go along with the crowd, because when everyone just goes along with what some company or group of companies wants to push, we're going to get it whether we like it or not.

  30. A New Pixel? Just One? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My cell phone has over 2 million pixels. Where do I sign up to get on the waiting list so I can get one more?

  31. Data of 10 security sites + whitelists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: + IF a user doesn't like it? It's VERY EASY to edit & understand for them - TRY THAT with "AlmostALLAdsBlocked" regex for them, lol!

    (OR a network admin can do it when users don't have rights)

    I also do whitelists in my program that protect things like antivirus/antimalware sites, search engines & other GOOD things (that gets better every build).

    My security community sources for hosts also do removals lists vs. falsies that are nigh daily up to date.

    * I confronted you with that VERY question as I was laughing @ you, so I could smoke you with it here http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    (Where I had to SHOW YOU HOW TO MIGRATE A PROTECTIVE HOSTS FILE ACROSS AN ENTERPRISE WIDE WAN EVEN & I've done it in my professional career for Fortune 100/500 companies while I acted as both a domain-wide admin + software engineer!)

    ---

    One in MYSELF that actually WRITES SECURITY WARES unlike you mind you!

    &

    1 GOOD ENOUGH to be hosted + RECOMMENDED http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... by very possibly the BEST antimalware company there is http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    Yet YOU called it "APK Hosts file = Unsecure garbage software" here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... CLAIMING I DIDN'T WRITE IT TOO?

    You little fucking bullshit artist - I wrote all 30,000 lines of it by hand - so...

    TELL US: WHERE'S YOURS, WANNABE "SECURITY GURU"? It's not.

    ---

    I was going to save this but why not?

    I'll cook YOUR ASS with it right now: To run malwarebytes' own ware YOU HAVE TO USE ADMIN PRIVELEGE STUPID!

    (I guess using admin privelege for security is "BAD" according to "security guru" Coren22, lol!)

    YOU HAVE PROVEN YOU CANNOT THINK FOR YOURSELF, create WARES FOR SECURITY, or back yourself up either! Your downmods of my posts prove that last part...

    APK

    P.S.=> LASTLY: REPOSTING DUE TO Coren22 OBVIOUSLY KARMA-FARMING SOCKPUPPET DOWNMODDING THIS LAST TIME I POSTED IT TO TRY TO "HIDE IT" -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ... apk

  32. Have we reached peak smartphone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is there anything new in any of these or is it just that the existing features are better? More memory, longer battery life, faster processor, better camera lens - but other than that it's the same as the last one.

  33. 32GB Max??? by markdavis · · Score: 1

    I love my Nexus 5.1 except I really wanted some additional storage and some additional battery life. Otherwise it has been a fantastic phone, best I have ever used. Price was amazing. Great quality. Perfect size. Decent camera. Fast processor. Good signaling.

    I have been excited to see what comes next... last year they decided all people suddenly want only large phones (6). Now the next Nexus 5 (5x) comes out and it is 16 or 32GB storage still? Two years later- it is almost 2016 and they offer only 16 or 32??? And same 2GB of memory? That for me is bad enough, but NO WIRELESS CHARGING???? That is a feature I absolutely love and use every day. Are they out of their minds?

    Meanwhile the Nexus 6p has 64 and even 128GB storage and 3GB RAM? Why is it there is still this belief by most manufacturers that a smaller phone has to be lobotomized? WHY?

    I am INCREDIBLY disappointed :( FAIL.

  34. Re:Data from 10 reputable security sites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    [user@localhost ~]$ ls -lh /etc/hosts -rw-r--r-- 2 root root 0 Nov 8 2014 /etc/hosts

    Ahhhh, a nice, svelte hosts file, just the way I like it! How about it, APK, you likey??

  35. Re:Data from 10 reputable security sites by Pikoro · · Score: 1

    Wow. It took you 30,000 likes of code to manage your hosts file? Talk about inefficiencies. Jesus you suck.

    --
    "Freedom in the USA is not the ability to do what you want. It is the ability to stop others from doing what THEY want"
  36. You have those yourself? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: If you do? You shouldn't have wasted your time as I wasted you easily, lol... see next:

    Aryeh Goretsky of NOD32/ESET agrees hosts = good security -> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day of SECURITYFOCUS (Symantec Division) does the same -> Resurrecting the Killfile FROM -> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts division does BOTH hosting & recommending my APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    ---

    * HOW MANY MORE TIMES & HOW MANY MORE REAL SECURITY PROS DO I NEED TO KNOCK THE CHOCOLATE OUT OF YOU SOME MORE?

    (Some of those guys host & recommend my work no less @ MalwareBytes, for security ware no less as well... & I've even taken DOWN one of them who changed a false positive on my ware (NOD32/ESET) - I actually do that & have before that - have you? No... why?? YOU DON'T HAVE THE SKILLS or EXPERIENCE rookie noob!)

    ---

    Me? I don't NEED those - they're for MENIALS - I have actual CS to my credit from DEGREES + decades of proefssional experience as both a network admin + software engineer/programmer-analyst... & those allow ME to make the tools that MENIAL FOOLS like you merely USE, user... you're HELPLESS without guys like me!

    APK

    P.S.=> Tell us, HOW CAN I UPDATE HOSTS INSIDE WINDOWS minus using privelege escalation (which, lol, YOU ADMIT USING YOURSELF, yet YOU SAY IT'S BAD, lmao... & even MalwareBytes Antimalware, best there is, demands you use it... but according to YOU "the wannabe security guru", using privelege escalation is "bad", rotflmao... you utter wannabe fool!)?... apk

    1. Re:You have those yourself? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      So in other words, you have no proof of your security training. It is good to hear that you admit to your lack of security knowledge.

      --
      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
    2. Re:You have those yourself? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Coren22, You were asked if you have those certs. So in other words, you don't since you evade the question you asked too.

  37. "Rinse, Lather, & Repeat" Menial troll, lol... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & this you rookie noob menial -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    * :)

    (That was pretty good, but THIS is far better (lmao) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... since TEARING UP a wannabe NOOB ROOKIE MENIAL like you, for myself? CAKE... too easy, since you're a LIMITED DOLT that only uses what guys like myself in coders CREATE for menials like YOU to use - minus us? YOU ARE HELPLESS!)

    APK

    P.S.=> Not everyone has a router like MachineShedFred describes, they do conversely & by way of comparison have a hosts file (& hosts consume FAR LESS than DNS does & are far less complex ON ALL LEVELS & hosts files don't have NEARLY the exploits on it NOR do hosts "go down" like DNS does & it does, a LOT)... apk

  38. Again, do you? I have decades of experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Hands on, professionally, & those guides you told me YOU read? You're talking to a writer of one used by 1,000's -> http://www.bing.com/search?q=%...

    I'm also the coder of a security ware USED BY MILLIONS NOW that does the job BETTER & MORE EFFICIENTLY ON FAR MORE LEVELS than my blatantly inferior slower "so-called 'competition'" yet doing so, WITH LESS RESOURCE CONSUMPTION -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    * HOW ABOUT YOU? You've done BETTER, EARLIER, & MORE THAN THAT?? Answer = NO.

    (Heck, you won't even answer the question I asked you here on if YOU have those mere "certs" for menial monkeys (like you, lol) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & face it: Minus guys like ME who create code for menials like YOU to use? YOU ARE HELPLESS... fact!)

    APK

    P.S.=> Fact: YOU are a rookie noob wannabe menial & "ne'er-do-well" that "talks a BIG GAME" but can't back it up + prove it -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... , lol - see ANYONE can "talk" little "ne'er-do-well" but I actually DO what you can ONLY DREAM ABOUT DOING shown above in part only & I prove it easily, lol - you can't & don't evading simple questions, lmao... apk

    1. Re:Again, do you? I have decades of experience by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      menial monkeys

      menials like YOU

      YOU ARE HELPLESS

      YOU are a rookie noob wannabe menial & "ne'er-do-well"

      little "ne'er-do-well"

      So, still all you can do is insult, while still not getting it. I see now what I am dealing with.

      Used by thousands? lol

      Perhaps you should peruse:

      http://iase.disa.mil/stigs/Pag...

      That is the definitive security guide. I'll bet nowhere in there it says to use a hosts file.

      --
      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  39. LOL, trying to "put words in my mouth" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: That I never said? Weak (that's you) Clue: My program automates that too via rightclick menus & allows deletions easily (whitelists do the rest & those improve every time I do a rebuild, & my sources removal lists vs. FP does the rest).

    * Pretty simple - but then, of course,a MENIAL noob rookie like YOU can't grasp or comprehend that... lol!

    (Heck - you DO know that even notepad.exe has a FIND, & DELETE function(s) in menus, don't you? Yes, it even works!!! LMAO...)

    Oh, your FINAL "grasping @ straws" TAKES THE CAKE here, lol:

    Your "hypothetical reaching"? Useless. I mean, lol, I can say "IF SITE X WAS COMPROMISED THE WORLD WOULD END" etc. but my ware?

    FACT:

    It's proven to be INVIOLATE, bugfree & bulletproof as well as safe proven by 57 antivirus programs!

    Why?

    Well, UNLIKE YOU menial??

    I actually have the skills to code such applications (not mere scripts) after a 23++ yr. or so professional career on multiple levels in the art & science of computing... you? No way.

    You TALK a lot, but you're no doer...

    I mean, for Pete's sake: You can't even backup your "braggadocio" quoted here -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    (Whereas I can bnck ANYTHING I say easily & crush your wannabe menial ass easily doing so, every single time... lmao!)

    APK

    P.S.=> Man... no joke: YOU? You're just TOO EASY to crush & dismantle - that makes YOU, pitiful, it really does... why??

    Hell - above in the last link prove it - YOU ARE ALL TALK, not an actual doer!

    Yes, you're just a rookie noob menial who is HELPLESS minus guys like me that create tools that menial monkey FOOLS like you 'use', user - you illustrate a by rote MENIAL level of understanding of things computing nearly EVERY TIME YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH, which I easily SLAM SHUT with facts... lol! apk

  40. Re:"Rinse, Lather, & Repeat" Menial troll, lol by Coren22 · · Score: 0

    you rookie noob menial

    wannabe NOOB ROOKIE MENIAL

    LIMITED DOLT

    menials like YOU

    YOU ARE HELPLESS!

    So in other words, you have nothing to say. So, I'd like to see the domain you managed and deployed your hosts file to that didn't have a DNS server at a fortune 100/500 company. But I expect instead, I will just get responses about how inferior I am while all along talking about how superior your solution is to anything else in the world, while still not understanding basic concepts like domains and DNS and permissions.

    --
    APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  41. Opinions (better than yours) vary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's some that are QUITE contrary to yours from /. users + experts in the field:

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    &

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    ---

    * Let's see - a TOP antimalware company hosts AND RECOMMENDS my ware, & real users here like it - you're outnumbered, outthought, & OUTSMARTED, easily as usual, by "yours truly"...

    APK

    P.S.=> You've done better, & earlier? Prove it... pretty simple. What YOU have proven vs. myself in the past is that YOU are VERY EASY to destroy, lol -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... as YOU RAN "Forrest" from my simple challenge to validly technically disprove my points on hosts giving users more speed, security, reliability & even anonymity - doing so with FAR LESS RESOURCE CONSUMPTION yet doing FAR MORE than inferior slower sold-out usermode browser addons... lol, so much for "the trolling likes of YOU", worm... apk

  42. Millions by now (like my program is) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where's your security guide you wrote millions used (easy if you know what you're doing)?

    Where YOUR security program work that a HIGHLY ESTEEMED security company HOST & RECOMMEND for you like I've done??

    ANSWER = They're NOT... lol!

    ---

    See subject:

    By now, since it's been nearly a decade on the guide? That's truth from tons of sites where I PUT IT OUT FOR THOSE THAT REALLY NEED IT: Normal end users, & it's made easy by CIS Tool.

    R O T F L M A O - funniest part is? It seems I ought to have put it out on "security guru" forums - fools like YOU, wannabes, NEED IT MORE if you're indicative of those in 'security' (considering how easily I have shredded your ass repeatedly on ALL levels, lol).

    Did the likes of CIS Tool (highly esteemed security tool) accept FIXES you provided???

    NO TO ALL THE ABOVE FROM "Coren22 - the wannabe 'security guru'" who can't backup his b.s. -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    ---

    Seriously:

    Man - You've GOT to be the BIGGEST blowhard wannabe I've EVER encountered online, no joke... & funniest part is, YOU BROUGHT IT ON YOURSELF TROLLING ME HERE FOR MONTHS ON HOSTS... lol!

    APK

    P.S.=> Yes, you brought it on yourself only to be EASILY CRUSHED & DISMANTLED -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & that's only 1 of such destructions you've brought on yourself here...

    All others are all here easily verified where I counter YOU & other menial's "so-called 'points'" that prove you can't THINK FOR YOURSELVES or DO ANYTHING worthwhile since you truly ARE, LIMITED DOLTS - which is why you create ZERO of good note (not even security guides, whereas I by comparison can show TONS of that out of myself that's easily verifiable... lol, unlike YOUR BS above in that 1st link)... apk

  43. DNS gets exploited & goes down a LOT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: It's just fact(s) - hosts can offload DNS servers lightening their loads via hardcoded favorites

    (Favorite sites @ the TOP of hosts, for fastest possible LOCAL resolution no less, & where you spend 95++% of your time online no less, resolving FASTER locally cached in system RAM - fact, SINCE HOSTS ARE THE 1st resolver queried vs. remote DNS)

    That same technique also aids RELIABILITY + SECURITY vs. redirect poisoned, rogue, or abused Open DNS resolvers!

    (not OpenDNS to avoid 'confusion' & lord knows, based on what's happened here? You trolls get CONFUSED TYING YOUR SHOES, lol!).

    * You could use a logon script, but cronjobs (or other schedulers) can run a script periodically to do it OR do it manually too!

    (VERY easily, even manually if need be, & securing you DOWN TO THE ENDPOINTS (vs. "eggshell" perimeter security only - a BAD idea alone in & of itself... "layered-security"/"defense-in-depth" is the best thing we have going - OR don't you 'security guru' trolls KNOW that? Apparently not so clue: Hosts fit that as part of it).

    Lastly:

    DOWNMODDING ME LAST TIME I POSTED THIS YET NOT VALIDLY TECHNICALLY PROVING ME WRONG MEANS YOU FAILED -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    APK

    P.S.=> You menials need to understand something - your understanding of computing is EXTREMELY LIMITED & clearly "by rote" (indicating you can't THINK for yourselves & it's WHY you're relegated to menial roles vs. creating the TOOLS limited FOOLS like you use that guys like ME create for you - without which? Fact: You're helpless...)

    ... apk

  44. Re:I use this to annihilate you by JimFive · · Score: 1

    I would suggest that for mobile devices, dealing with dns based blocking at the local router/dns level only works when you are home. Device based dns blocking works even when you're using public wifi. Alternatively, one could set up an outside facing(hosted perhaps) DNS server and make sure your devices use a static DNS pointed at your server, but I'm not sure that's worth it for 2 mobile devices.
    --
    JimFive

    --
    Please stop using the word theory when you mean hypothesis.
  45. You don't backup your b.s. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why should I have to when you evade backing YOUR bluster blowhard -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    Hmmm?

    When YOU can show us you've done guides (which you yourself said you used to learn from but the results show you don't know shit here) that you were PAID for http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn... as I was for securing systems that was used by MILLIONS by now worldwide -> http://www.bing.com/search?q=%... featured on MANY websites & often HIGHLY RATED too!

    (In those guides? I used the HIGHLY ESTEEMED CIS TOOL since it makes securing a pc EASY - & guess what else?? I PUT IN FIXES INTO IT they acknowledged + accepted... have you? No. As per my usual - should you want PROOF of security people taking MY fixes in CIS TOOL? Ask - since as per my usual, I can easily backup what I say with proof you can even verify as always... you can't - see 1st link above!)

    OR

    That YOU have written a SECURITY tool SO WELL it's found not only safe by 57 antivirus companies, but actually HOSTED & RECOMMENDED BY PROBABLY THE BEST ONE THERE IS -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... [hosts-file.net] AND IS TO THIS DAY "bugfree & bulletproof" code?

    Well - then you can actually TALK!

    Until then, YOU are a "ne'er-do-well" who creates ZERO using what coders like myself CREATE for you to use )

    Face facts:

    Minus us coders? YOU ARE HELPLESS & You?? You're all talk, no action... that's you.

    YOU ARE JUST TOO EASY TO CRUSH!

    Plus You trolled me here for months, your post history proves it for me...

    NO QUESTIONS ASKED - You caused this, FOR YOURSELF, by yourself in trolling me + F'ing up HUGELY technically as well!

    APK

    P.S.=> Lastly - all you can manage is to downmod this last time I posted it here http://slashdot.org/comments.p... to TRY "hide it" & guess what? Here it is again... apk

  46. Very good (Coren22 downmodded this 2x, lol) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: According to Coren22 I shouldn't do something that makes me safer, faster, more reliably connected as well as more anonymous online on the "advice" of the "THE GREATEST COMPUTER SECURITY GUY (lol, NOT) on earth" in Coren22 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
    ?

    LMAO - no way.

    He can't even BACKUP HIS "braggadocio" in that link!

    ---

    Coren22 also doesn't understand a SIMPLE premise that hosts help you on as far as security:

    IF YOU CAN'T TOUCH THE FIRE YOU CAN'T BE BURNT BY IT

    ---

    Which is a BIG part of what hosts do for users of them along with doing MORE for speed, security, reliability, & even anonymity than ANY single inefficient browser addon that Coren22 likes (adblock iirc, sold out to Google to NOT DO ITS JOB, so much for its 'security') does, by far, WITH FAR LESS RESOURCE CONSUMPTION too!

    (WFP/SFP in Windows protects the file & IF you leave my program resident in APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o... supplements that protection (via a 'pretty cool trick' I do in its code, "pats self on back", since I don't use an EXCLUSIVE lock - but nothing can WRITE HOSTS using it, but all can read)!

    It gets its data vs. BOTH ads & online threats from 10 reputable sources in the security community itself for protecting you as well as speeding you up!

    (My program gives you more speed ontop of that in not only adblocking but also locally resolved 'hardcoded' favorite sites you spend most likely a GOOD 95++% OF YOUR TIME ONLINE AT AS WELL, from RAM cached, which also makes you more reliably connected vs. DNS exploits in redirect poisoning - MULTIPLE bonuses!).

    LASTLY:

    APK

    P.S.=> REPOSTING DUE TO Coren22's OBVIOUS KARMA-FARMING SOCKPUPPETS USE DOWNMODDING THIS SAME POST LAST TIME I POSTED IT -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )

    (Since that's ALL a dolt like him can manage vs. proving me wrong validly!)... apk

  47. Everyone has a router like that? No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With enough RAM to contain 3,798,170++ entries as my hosts file does? No, they don't & it works for anyone w/ a BSD derived IP stack since hosts are part of it.

    (Your LIMITED "hardware head" is exactly that - LIMITED like your know-now + so is your market as MOST folks don't have one that can do it but they do have hosts... get that too? GOOD!)

    ---

    Question:

    ROUTERS DON'T GET EXPLOITED TOO? Tell me about a CISCO 2811 recently then - how about getting THEIR DNS setting changed by malware too in the past??

    ---

    Lastly:

    REPOSTING DUE TO DOWNMOD ABUSERS DOWNMODDING THIS LAST TIME I POSTED IT SINCE THEY CAN'T GET THE BETTER OF ME TECHNICALLY OBVIOUSLY -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    APK

    P.S.=> You say I am "stalking" him? You have NO IDEA how much of that our resident LITTLE PRICK TROLL Coren22's done to me over months - his post history PROVES it.

    Yes - only to get his ass handed to him as I have done now, rather easily, here -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    Based on a VERY SIMPLE PRINCIPAL: What you can't touch can't harm you, & hosts allow it - in fact, YOU do the same, albeit hardware-side, but NOT EVERYONE HAS A ROUTER LIKE THAT fool - they usually do with hosts (like 99.999% of the time)... apk

  48. 3,798,170++ of them? Everyone has that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject, answer it (you ran & downmodded instead http://slashdot.org/comments.p... last time I posted it, lmao - "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!"): Most folks don't even HAVE routers, let alone one with that much RAM!

    Hosts can do that though.

    So, "drink it in & digest this":

    Everyone has hosts (for the most part) & they work!

    Hosts work with less complexity (by FAR vs. DNS rules tables) easily edited doing FAR MORE for FAR LESS resource consumption (especially vs. DNS setup on a separate machine chewing up not only MORE cpu, ram, & other forms of I/O but also electrical power raising bills needlessly by BY ROTE MENIALS (lol, you) "bolting on 'MoAr' vs using what you HAVE ALREADY NATIVELY that does the job for considerably less on nearly most all grounds...).

    APK

    P.S.=> Routers DON'T get exploited MASSIVELY? LMAO - Please: DO Tell us another one (like about recent CISCO 2811 & other models OR rogue DNS insertions into routers, and Open DNS resolvers being exploited to attack systems, kaminsky redirect security flaw poisoning, etc. - et al that I could rattle off here easily IF need be...).

    FACT:

    Nothing that I know of in usermode @ least can "get to" hosts between WFP/SFP with my program resident which supplements that (I tried, couldn't do it myself even due to the "pats self on back" technique I use that lets READS occur, but NOT WRITES - beauty of it is that it's NOT an "exclusive lock" is why)... apk

  49. I use this to annihilate you letting you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YOU say "hosts=bad" (but they add security, speed, & reliability) & bitch on admin privelege to UPDATE vs. threats online:

    "So, have you figured out why privilege escalation is a bad thing yet?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015 @05:15PM (#50577809)

    Hypocrite - You admit you use admin priv

    &

    How else could I programmatically update hosts minus it in Windows?

    ---

    "Of course it requires elevation to write to the hosts file" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @05:35PM (#50585879)

    You FINALLY admit later there's no other way!

    FACT:

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS you use admin privelege (you saying it's "bad" too?) it can't do its job fully otherwise, like many security tools do!

    ---

    Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET says hosts = good security -> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) does too -> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts hosts & recommends my APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    ---

    * HOW MANY SECURITY PROS MORE DO I NEED TO KNOCK THE CHOCOLATE OUTTA YOU?

    ---

    Those security pros INCLUDE me: I work w/ those guys from malwarebytes' hpHosts on a regular basis!

    I've professionally worked for decades as a combined domain-wide network admin & software engineer since 1994 (Even showing you HOW to migrate a hosts across an enterprise -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )

    I've also been securing computers + WRITING GUIDES using CIS Tool (who took fixes from me too - bonus) http://www.bing.com/search?q=%...

    You told me you learn from guides? I write 'em (good ones) that MILLIONS USE & was PAID FOR IT http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn...

    + WARES TO PROTECT USERS that're endorsed & hosted by security pros -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    You did all that? No & that's a small part of what I could put out.

    APK

    P.S.=> You're all TALK -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & a "ne'er-do-well" as far as security

    ...apk

  50. no they're not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm running a 2014 Moto G with Android 5, and the SD card has a number of apps running on it as well as storing all the pictures/videos taken with the phone. Seems to work just fine.