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Nerves Rattled By Highly Suspicious Windows Update Delivered Worldwide

An anonymous reader writes: If you're using Windows 7 you might want to be careful about which updates you install. Users on Windows forums are worried about a new "important" update that looks a little suspect. Ars reports: "'Clearly there's something that's delivered into the [Windows Update] queue that's trusted,' Kenneth White, a Washington DC-based security researcher, told Ars after contacting some of the Windows users who received the suspicious update. 'For someone to compromise the Windows Update server, that's a pretty serious vector. I don't raise the alarm very often but this has just enough characteristics of something pretty serious that I think it's worth looking at.'" UPDATE: Microsoft says there's nothing to worry about, the company "incorrectly published a test update."

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  1. It was a test update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-accidentally-issued-a-test-windows-update-patch/

    1. Re:It was a test update by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Does anyone seriously believe that if their servers have been compromised that they would be honest and admit it? With the Windows 10 debacle on everyone's mind it is highly likely that someone compromised their servers to prove a point that their claim that everyone's data is safe in their hands is bullshit. It really doesn't matter, because even if their claim is 100% honest it amounts to this: Microsoft cannot be trusted. Period.

      What is that you say? Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence? Oh, I totally agree, with the exception that I would say "as a rule" rather than never. The problem is it doesn't matter if you can't trust them because they are malicious, or you can't trust them because they have proved their incompetence. Either way, they have now proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that they must not be trusted, because they are definitely and provably not trustworthy. We can all speculate as to why nobody should trust them, but no reasonable person would assert, as of today, that they should be trusted.

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  2. only a test by tomhath · · Score: 4, Interesting
    FTFA:

    Microsoft said a highly suspicious Windows update that was delivered to customers around the world was the result of a test that wasn't correctly implemented.

    They were just checking to see if you really wanted to upgrade to Windows 10

  3. Probably just some fuckery by jones_supa · · Score: 4, Informative

    Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. Could be that some Microsoft engineer accidentally published a test update.

    1. Re:Probably just some fuckery by MrLint · · Score: 2

      That really only applies when the split between malice and stupidity could land at the same place.

    2. Re:Probably just some fuckery by sunderland56 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

      You mean that Windows 10 wasn't intended to be patently evil, it's just that Microsoft are idiots?

    3. Re:Probably just some fuckery by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. Could be that some Microsoft engineer accidentally published a test update.

      Does it really matter if it was a mistake or not? If a guy burns down my house accidentally, or he does it on purpose, my house is still burnt down.

      That's why mandatory no choice updates and the cloud are really bad ideas. The results of little mistakes can be indistinguishable from criminal intent. Either way, you lose.

      I haven't seen the update yet, but people should consider this a close shot across the bow.

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    4. Re:Probably just some fuckery by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

      You mean that Windows 10 wasn't intended to be patently evil, it's just that Microsoft are idiots?

      The sad part, is that after trying out W10, I was pretty excited. Stuff worked, I could do what I needed to do, and find what I needed to find.

      But they really screwed the pooch with the telemetry and the no choice updates on everything but Enterprise. My W10 Pro sacrificial computer running Pro only allows me to put them off for a little while, and constantly nags me.

      So since I have one last piece of software that requires Windows, my sacrificial computer will run that program and only that program, and I'll do everything else on my OSX and Linux machines.

      Gawdammit!, it was a nice OS otherwise. Stupid stupidheads!

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    5. Re:Probably just some fuckery by Anonymous+Psychopath · · Score: 2

      What's more reasonable, that some MS drone fucked up, or that the NSA compromised their update servers to illegally wiretap every system on the planet

      Have you not been paying attention for the past decade or what? Both of those scenarios are equally plausible. Or it could be MS's latest attempt to push everyone into Spyware 10.

      I'll grant you they're both plausible, but equally plausible? Nope.

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  4. Yeah, a test update... by TWX · · Score: 5, Informative
    From the article...

    "We incorrectly published a test update and are in the process of removing it," a Microsoft spokesperson wrote in an e-mail to Ars. The message included no other information.

    The explanation came more than 12 hours after people around the world began receiving the software bulletin through the official Windows Update, raising widespread speculation that Microsoft's automatic patching mechanism was broken or, worse, had been compromised to attack end users. Fortunately, now that Microsoft has finally weighed in, that worst-case scenario can be ruled out.

    I'm a little leery of the Microsoft claim. Admittedly I am perhaps a bit biased against Microsoft for their having integrated a web browser into their OS kernel such that the OS can be irrevocably compromised through a simple web page, but even without that history, that company is large enough that anyone in public relations to make the, "our bad," announcement might not have any idea what actually happened from a technical point of view. On top of that the formatting of the update doesn't give any clue that it's a test update either, as it appears to make no origin claims (at least by the article's included screen shot) and is simply strange.

    Whenever I've done something as a test, I actually note in the comments that it's a damn test. I also note that I put it there. Microsoft might not want to publicly attribute something to a particular developer to intentionally obfuscate the development process from the user, but they still should have used something that identifies it as a test to the average person, and used something to make it clear to them that it's attributed to a specific person.

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    1. Re:Yeah, a test update... by msauve · · Score: 2

      ...or *.test or *.invalid That's what they're for. Making up domains at random using valid TLDs isn't proper behavior.

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    2. Re:Yeah, a test update... by lgw · · Score: 3, Informative

      ".test" is a reserved test domain. There are others, including ".example", and ".invalid". I remember there being a two-letter one (".xy" I think), and a 63-letter one, but I can't find rhe RFC for those.

      I've used ".test" for years, both for test URLs and test servers.

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    3. Re:Yeah, a test update... by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      There's a real possibility that you are a better programmer than the average Microsoft programmer. Really.

      Or more like he's a better programmer than the average programmer. Far too many do stuff like push to production, or edit in production, or just check in a quick "it should work" straight into source control without even compiling it.

  5. Microsoft looking for new ways to fail by JoeyRox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They're apparently not content with only failing miserably in new markets like smartphones - they're now finding ways to destroy their successful businesses as well. They should just sit on their hands and keep collecting their checks.

  6. 'Test update' by 0123456 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Perhaps it's just me, but on days like this it almost looks like sacking thousands of QA employees might not have been the smartest idea ever.

  7. Don't panic by custers · · Score: 2

    "Microsoft confirmed Wednesday that a suspicious-looking update pushed out to Windows machines globally in the early hours was nothing more than a test gone errant."

    http://www.zdnet.com/article/m...

  8. Bad Summary - Sensationalist by alzoron · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The summary makes it sound like this is all a mystery and insinuates that Microsoft's update servers may have been compromised, however, the linked articles state that it was simple a mistakenly pushed test patch and nothing nefarious at all.

    1. Re:Bad Summary - Sensationalist by QuietLagoon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How long before the problematic "test" updates hit the Windows 10 environment with the forced update "feature". At least with my current Windows 7 environment, I was able to not run Windows Update until I learned of the root problem. With Windows 10, I won't have that option.

  9. Non-issue - back to work by ripvlan · · Score: 2

    yeah - turns out to be a mistake. We can delete this post and all conversation after it.

  10. So it was just an error with no consequences by hyperar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've been reading the support forum links where people claim that their PC where nuked with this update, nothing worked, everything failed, no System Restore, bla bla bla. I'm amazed how far the MS hate goes, even making up stories.

    1. Re:So it was just an error with no consequences by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2

      "I've been reading the support forum links where people claim that their PC where nuked with this update, nothing worked, everything failed, no System Restore, bla bla bla. I'm amazed how far the MS hate goes, even making up stories."

      You make a great point. It was a test update. There is no possibility at all that it would cause any problems. Wait ... why was it a test rather than a release update again?

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  11. Re:Be suspicous of every update, period by Gr8Apes · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If this continues, I wouldn't do real work on [windows] ever again.

    So this time didn't do it for you? There has to be another time? Given Win7+'s mod to auto install fixes deemed by MS to be critical, I think that time was at least years ago. Even IBM jumped ship.

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  12. It was only... by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 2

    a weather balloon!

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  13. Re:I told you so. by sexconker · · Score: 2

    The updates are signed, but the metadata is not.
    But shit from the metadata can be executed.

    http://www.contextis.com/media...

    Configuring SSL for WSUS (NOT the default, and NOT as simple as it should be) mitigates this by protecting the metadata from simple MITM attacks.

  14. The truth is not out there. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Windows 10

    Trust no one.

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  15. Re:I told you so. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As far as I am concerned from now on, every statement from M$ is potentially a lie, and ANY OS or program from M$ is potentially full of NSA backdoors and spyware, as well as the ever-present bugs. As far as anyone knows every M$ product all the way back to the first version of DOS was/is infested the same way!

    M$, you are forever wiped from my computers and out of my life!!!

  16. I want to upgrade to OS/X by swschrad · · Score: 2

    MonsterSlop, however, is not listing that in the descriptions.

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  17. Black Hat holy grail. by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This right here would be what makes black hats drool. Get a payload in the Windows update server that is signed with keys that pass. you do that and you utterly own 60% of the internet in a span of 8 hours.

    If you were smart about it, you would do a quick test that is benign. changing only 2 bytes in a MS patch and then look for it. If that works you get your best rootkit that you can conceive and get it out there. now WAIT for about 25-45 days and have it download and install the nasty that you want to unleash.

    Luckily 99% of the black hats are so ADD that they shoot their load as soon as they can and brag all over the internet. It's that 1% that you never hear about and are never caught that are the truly dangerous ones.

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  18. Re:Oh please by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2

    "The same article also explains that it was a test update that they released by accident."

    No. A different article pointed to be the same URL explains that. You should probably learn how the internet works some day if you are going to make snarky comments on Slashdot.

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  19. Re: Sure you will. by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Bullshit. No OS is "well made" enough that it will never need security updates. Not Windows, not MacOS, not Linux, not *BSD.

    This is why it's really, really important for OS providers to maintain a trustworthy update service. If they use it for advertising purposes, or sell it out to various government agencies, or allow incompetent personnel to push "test" updates to the entire planet, it's no longer trustworthy. That means their OS itself is no longer trustworthy, if in fact it ever was.

    Nobody at Microsoft seems to have the first clue how important Windows Update actually is, and how important it is not to screw with it. Windows Update is Windows, not just in a de-facto sense but as a vital corporate strategy. It's time they started acting like it.