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Mars Mission: How Hard? NASA Astronauts Weigh In

astroengine writes: In an interesting interview with Discovery News, retired NASA astronauts Clay Anderson (Expedition 15/16) and Steve Swanson (Expedition 39/40) discussed their views on how the US space agency should select the first Mars-bound astronauts — a mission that is slated to commence in the late 2020's. While Swanson thinks that the current NASA astronaut selection process should suffice for a long-duration foray to the Red Planet, Anderson isn't so sure, saying, "(Mars) doesn't require a jet fighter pilot. It doesn't require a Ph.D. astronaut — although those people would be just fine, but I think that it's going to take people that are very good generalists, that can do many things." As depicted in the upcoming Matt Damon movie, "The Martian," Mark Watney (Damon) is thrown into an unexpected, life-threatening situation, requiring him to use his general skill set to survive on the barren landscape until he's rescued. As the first manned missions to Mars will likely throw unforeseen challenges at the explorers, it will probably be a good idea to have a crew that are adept at thinking on the fly and skilled in many different areas rather than being a specialist in one.

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  1. But Star Trek! by PvtVoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As depicted in the upcoming Matt Damon movie, "The Martian," Mark Watney (Damon) is thrown into an unexpected, life-threatening situation, requiring him to use his general skill set to survive on the barren landscape until he's rescued.

    Yeah, but Star Trek suggests that a team of highly skilled specialists working together is the way to go.

    Then again, maybe we shouldn't be basing mission planning on a bunch of cheezy fucking sci-fi movies. Just a thought.

    1. Re:But Star Trek! by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah, but Star Trek suggests that a team of highly skilled specialists working together is the way to go.

      Granted, but the crew of most starships in Star Trek is rather large. The smaller the crew, the broader the experience of each crew member needs to be. A five-person team, especially when cut off from Earth by a large round-trip communications gap, needs to composed of people who know more than just their PhD thesis.

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    2. Re:But Star Trek! by ColdWetDog · · Score: 0

      Then again, maybe we shouldn't be basing mission planning on a bunch of cheezy fucking sci-fi movies. Just a thought.

      Right. I think we should stick to parody.

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    3. Re:But Star Trek! by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Then again, maybe we shouldn't be basing mission planning on a bunch of cheezy fucking sci-fi movies.

      You know our space program is in trouble when Slashdot discussions are considered "mission planning".

    4. Re:But Star Trek! by pushing-robot · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I don't know, Star Trek suggests to me that starships typically have a crew of around seven people:
      * Captain
      * First Officer
      * Helmsman
      * Chief Engineer
      * Science Officer
      * Doctor
      * Security Officer

      ...and also a bunch of passengers who walk around the ship carrying tablets, pressing buttons, and getting themselves killed in interesting ways.

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    5. Re:But Star Trek! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The protagonist of The Martian was a botanist and a mechanical engineer. His two main needs to survive? Grow food and fixing or repurposing equipment. His "general skill set" was oddly specific to his needs.

    6. Re:But Star Trek! by Marginal+Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...and also a bunch of passengers who walk around the ship carrying tablets, pressing buttons, and getting themselves killed in interesting ways.

      Word to the wise: if you do get picked as an astronaut for The Red Planet, be sure you don't wear a red shirt. And don't even get any red dust on your shirt while you're there, just in case...

    7. Re:But Star Trek! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Robinson Crusoe on Mars FTW!

    8. Re:But Star Trek! by war4peace · · Score: 1

      All others are replacement #1, replacement #2, etc. until they run out of people.

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    9. Re:But Star Trek! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What you're saying is that half of the crew going to Mars will be killed by the next commercial break.

    10. Re:But Star Trek! by CODiNE · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of Michael Crichton's Sphere.

      An astrophysicist, biochemist, mathematician and a psychiatrist. Sounds about right!

      Because uhhhh... umm... yep, sounds about right!

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    11. Re:But Star Trek! by tnk1 · · Score: 2

      ...and also a bunch of passengers who walk around the ship carrying tablets, pressing buttons, and getting themselves killed in interesting ways.

      You underestimate their value. If the other seven didn't have these passengers, they'd never survive in space.

      That's why I refer to anyone in the Trek shows who isn't a main or recurring character as "ablative armor" for the cast.

    12. Re:But Star Trek! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A 25 Cent Matinee, and another Nickel for Jujubes.
      Good value- it was a double billing with 'The Masque Of the Red Death". Both films were better examples of their respective Genres.

    13. Re:But Star Trek! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps if you had paid closer attention during TNG, you would have understood that while the program generally focused on the actions and experiences of the main characters it was made abundantly clear on numerous occasions, both explicitly as in Lower Decks and in the background of many other episodes, that there were thousands of crew members including lower ranking officers, support crew members in the five general divisions (command, security, science, engineering and medical) as well as various specialized personnel. In Remember Me? Dr. Crusher actually asks the computer, in jest, why she is the only crew member if she, as the computer insists, doesn't have all of the necessary skills to complete the mission.

    14. Re:But Star Trek! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know, Star Trek suggests to me that starships typically have a crew of around seven people:
      * Captain
      * First Officer
      * Helmsman
      * Chief Engineer
      * Science Officer
      * Doctor
      * Security Officer

      ...and also a bunch of passengers who walk around the ship carrying tablets, pressing buttons, and getting themselves killed in interesting ways.

      Like most organizations those were just the managers who took all the credit for the hundreds of people that actually did all the work and came up with all the ideas.

    15. Re:But Star Trek! by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      m$ Clippy: "I see you're stranded on Mars. Want to get off? I'm here for you."

    16. Re:But Star Trek! by BranMan · · Score: 1

      To quote one of the more fun episodes of the original:

      "All I ever seen is you, and a couple of your boys. I don' see no FEDERATION !

    17. Re:But Star Trek! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a difference between using a movie as an illustration of a concept, and basing your mission on a movie.

  2. Quote from astronaut by iONiUM · · Score: 1

    "Pretty fucking hard."

  3. Re:Bad title wording! Bad, bad, bad title wording! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, it should be phrased as, "How dumb?" Before anything, get the propulsion shit right. Let's get out of the 19th Century.

  4. When does the movie come out on VOD? by sims+2 · · Score: 1

    Ive looked but I can't seem to find a VOD release date.

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  5. space jockeys by turkeydance · · Score: 0

    or space 'small people'....in other works, the smallest adults.

  6. Re:So.... by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 4, Interesting

    An older friend was a phd director level at NASA before retiring once told me that they (NASA) had once done a study and found that people who grew up on farms were the best with solving problems because they grew up constantly fixing stuff. But this was back in the 70's.

  7. It doesn't really matter by sunking2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If things go well, they're probably dead. If things go not so well, they are dead. There is no special set of skills that will make a real difference.

  8. Send Angus by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 0

    Send Angus McGyver with a swiss army knife, duct tape, and paper clip with the crew and they'd be all set.

    But seriously, it takes creative problem solving and knowledge of everything.

  9. Re:So.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So no Republicans then.

    Or all Republicans.. two birds, one stone..if you will.

  10. Re:Bad title wording! Bad, bad, bad title wording! by war4peace · · Score: 0

    Yeah. They should have added one or more of the following:
    - How thick?
    - How heavy?
    - How long?
    - How large?
    - How much?

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  11. It's hard to weigh in on Mars by penguinoid · · Score: 3, Informative

    On Mars, NASA astronauts only weigh in at 0.38 times what they do on Earth.

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  12. Nassa should a Steampunk theme trip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The old missions look just too staged in Star Trek style effects. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kFAZoVGxqY4

  13. No by kamapuaa · · Score: 1

    You want somebody who can somehow survive the incredible boredom of traveling to Mars without going crazy. Seriously, he'll be locked inside a tiny cabin where he can barely move for two months just to get there. Then he'll arrive with muscles mostly atrophied and stuck inside either a space suit or a tiny living quarters.

    He doesn't need to solve shit, for most everything it would make more sense just to radio home and ask them what to do. He won't have to make split decisions, because he'll be going through his actions incredibly slowly, confirming with home base.

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    1. Re:No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just make my cabin look like my mom's basement and give me a couple terabytes of porn, ebooks, Wikpedia, and games, and I'll hardly even notice the time passing!

      Hell, throw in artificial gravity and a pizza under the door now and then, and I might even believe I'm still at home!

  14. Software analogy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So in software terms, they'd value generalist skills of a Build/Release engineer over an OS kernel developer. I guess it depends what you want to accomplish.

    1. Re:Software analogy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try communicating on IRC regularly if you want to experience communication delay. Random delay, mind you.

  15. Re:So.... by youngone · · Score: 3, Informative
    The British Army discovered the same thing in North Africa in 1940, that's why the LRDG (Desert Rats) had a lot of New Zealanders.

    They tended to be country boys who had grown up fixing things, especially truck engines, so when they broke down in the desert they had a chance get moving again.

  16. Generalist to Mars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So it's decided - We're sending MacGyver to Mars...:)

  17. Jack by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    So they'd want a "Jack of all trades, master of none" because that has worked so well on other occasions?

  18. Spoiler? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did you just mention a spolier? Mark Watney (Damon) is thrown into an unexpected, life-threatening situation, requiring him to use his general skill set to survive on the barren landscape >>until he's rescued

    1. Re:Spoiler? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah because you wouldn't know that from seeing the ADs for the frikkin movie

  19. Interpersonal Skills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From what I've read (correct me if I'm wrong), NASA is going to be relying on the Orion spacecraft in order to get to Mars. It takes somewhere around 9 months in order to make it there, give or take depending on how much fuel you want to burn in the process. The Orion capsule is, to be honest, pretty frickin' small. I'm also not even considering the trip back yet. I don't know what kind of other spacecraft they are discussing building, or what kind of other modules would be going along with the craft, so I'm assuming not much more than the Orion module, and maybe some sort of orbiter compartment maybe?

    If you want 5 people to last an entire human gestational period in a mechanical womb more isolated from the rest of humanity than anyone ever has been mere inches away from certain doom without killing each other in the process, you're going to need fantastic interpersonal skills more than anything else.