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4 Calif. Students Arrested For Alleged Mass-Killing Plot
The New York Times reports that four high school students in the small California town of Tuolumne, about 120 miles east of San Francisco, have been arrested, but not yet charged, for planning an attack on their school, Summerville High School. According to the Times, three of the four were overheard discussing this plot, and a fourth conspirator was later identified. Their goal, according to Toulumne sheriff James Mele, was "to shoot and kill as many people as possible at the campus"; they had not however been able yet to obtain the weapons they wanted to carry out the attack. From NBC News' version of the story:
"Detectives located evidence verifying a plot to shoot staff and students at Summerville High School," Mele said. "The suspects' plan was very detailed in nature and included names of would-be victims, locations and the methods in which the plan was to be carried out."
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... "4 Calif. Students Arrested For Alleged Mass-Killing Pot"?
Pity they were caught, more dead Americans = good
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I come here for geek/tech news. I read stuff like this on real news sites.
Really. Fuck this site.
Also, how is this news for nerds?
We should get updates on cat videos and honey boo boo.
Even if they had the weapons, everyone at school would have been safe. The school was designated a gun-free zone. I'm pretty sure there's no way they could have gotten the guns past those "gun-free zone" signs.
Of all the different groups of people to direct your misguided anger at, why target defenseless school or college kids? I would have been expecting a higher value target, such as corrupt politicians.
The only reason I can think of is this is the easymode way to be remembered in the history books.
Looks like a success for "see something, say something."
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
I was going to make a joke about how since it's Summerville High they were probably only targeting vampires, but then I doubled checked and that school is Sunnydale High. Oh well. I'll waste your time anyway.
Really, I have to ask, why the fuck is this particular submission on the front page of Slashdot?!
This has pretty much nothing to do with technology, or science, or mathematics, or computing, or anything remotely relevant like that.
This submission probably isn't even about this incident itself. It appears to be an attempt by at least one Slashdot editor to get people here arguing about violence in America.
We don't come to Slashdot to real about small-town American politics. Fuck, we don't even come here to read about politics in general!
While this matter may be worth discussing, Slashdot should not be the venue for that discussion.
All this submission does is take up a space on the front page that could instead be filled with a submission that's much more relevant to Slashdot and its global audience.
Anyone who wants to talk about this should go to one of the many other political discussion forums out there.
10 to 1 this turns out to be blown waaaay out of proportion because of the Oregon shooter.
The number of school shootings with more than one shooter is single digits, maybe even just singular - Columbine. That's because all of the school shootings were the shooters were enrolled at the school, and nearly all of the of "active shooter" cases outside of schools, are suicides. The shooter's goal is to make sure everybody knows their psychic pain before they die - like a really evil suicide note.
A 4-way suicide pact is super rare - mostly a Jim Jones kind of thing. The chances of 4 kids going through with something like this is practically zero. Much more likely they had no weapons, their 'plans' were completely unworkable fantasy and the list of victims was just a shit list of people they were angry at. This will turn out to be healthy teenage venting and if the authorities are humane they will recognize that and back-off, if they are publicity hounds they will prosecute these poor guys and ruin their lives.
So they committed the crime of thought conspiracy? Is that why they haven't been charged yet because they cannot figure out how to charge them?
And shortsightedness of youth. It's hard to see past your immediate problems. You not only see no future for yourself but you also can't see our comprehend the socio-economic causes for your misery. Only the most obvious ones are apparent to most folks, and that leaves the bullies. People love picking on nerds. Even teachers do it. We didn't stop bullies until the nerds started packing heat...
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I think that systemd is responsible for the cow comments we've seen here so often lately.
Thanks to systemd and the many severe and unfixable architectural problems it suffers from (like binary logging, and trying to do absolutely everything under the sun), a great many top-notch Linux users/admins/devs have been driven away from Linux over to the BSDs.
It should be clear what this means: that *BSD is not dying. In fact, the various BSDs are thriving! They're seeing more and more use, they've attracted a lot of the best developers out there, and their futures are looking brighter than ever before.
So the "*BSD is dying" troll comments are obsolete. Everyone sees them, laughs at them because they're now so blatantly wrong given how massively alive all of the BSDs are, and nobody replies to such troll comments. An ignored troll comment is, obviously, a major disappointment to a troll.
If all of the major Linux distros hadn't switched to system, then they wouldn't have lost their best users/admins/devs. If the best Linux users/admins/devs hadn't jumped ship to the BSDs, then we wouldn't have seen the amazing *BSD resurgence that we've been seeing lately.
Having lost their greatest asset, the relative popularity of Linux over *BSD, thanks to systemd ruining the Linux experience, Slashdot's resident trolls now must attempt to create new material. The "cows go moo" comments, as pathetic as they are, have become the most effective new troll comments.
None of this would have happened if systemd had never existed. That is why, in my opinion, systemd is responsible for the existence and viability of the cow comments.
It really seems to help them self-propagate.
In fact, I'd rather have less TSA security at the airport and more stringent laws about reporting on mass shootings (and drug commercials too)!
Since birthrates decline with wealth, you should be sending us all your money to get rid of us even faster.
Be happy that it happened.
Obama just got done making a speech where he said that this is about the guns, and that this needs to be made political, blah blah blah.
... simply being BS.
... those and a hundred other motivations spark this urge in a small group of weak minded fools. If they never could get around to getting their hands on firearms, they're a few minutes of web surfing and a couple of trips to some retails stores away from majorly lethal backpack pressure cooker bombs a la Boston, or a few chains and some gasoline away from burning a couple hundred people alive a la Bali, etc. The issue isn't the tools, it's the wanting to kill, and wanting to be known for having done it.
This is a perfect example of "private ownership of guns causes kids to be like this"
Having a screwed up world view, having no sense of how to lead an even slighly gratifying life without resorting to something like this in order to feel important, having media that dwells on and actively hypes this sort of thing
That there's four of them cooking up this idea takes all the fun out of the lecture about it being all about insufficient spending on healthcare. That they were planning something like this without already having a closet full of firearms capable of mind-control that mysteriously makes them want to do it takes all the fun out of "it's the NRA's fault." Where's the president, back on TV, explaining that this is all about parents raising some twisted kids? Nope, that's a politically incorrect value judgement about other people, and we can't have that.
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Laws are a good thing when they punish the guilty and don't target the innocent. A law against murder only causes problems for murderers, and therefore isn't very controversial.
A law against owning certain types of firearms (a victimless crime) does not only target future killers, but also the 99% of owners who would never misuse them. You are talking tens of millions of people.
Additionally - if you are going to ignore the rule against murder, why would you care about firearms restrictions?
A law that criminals will probably ignore, and won't care about in the least (they will be dead or in jail for murder), but will put otherwise law-abiding people in jail, is a bad law.
I hope this explains the argument in more detail. 14/88, RaHoWa.
The kids could not get their weapons! They were denied their 2nd Amendment Rights!
I think a sensible requirement for gun ownership would be that you can't live with your parents and you can't have an adolescent child living with you where you keep a gun. Because teens are idiots. If you're paying rent then you're responsible enough to have a gun, otherwise tough luck.
Surveillance saves lives. Delation saves lives. It's everybody's duty to inform the Authorities of suspicious behavior. We need complete surveillance and ban cryptography. Security >>> privacy.
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Who could forget the cracky-chan vs merctaur "war"? anti-slash.org? trollback? egg troll?
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Nothing but trendy news stories and marijuana advocacy day after day after day.
The reason for keeping weapons such as knives out of schools (or anywhere else) is to reduce the chance of fights escalating and becoming deadly.
While keeping knives and guns out of schools *might* reduce the chances of fights becoming deadly, it increases the number of fights overall.
Bullying happens. Subject certain kids to constant harassment with no recourse and no way out, and you get Columbine.
I like guns because I like to shoot stuff. Especially squirrels and rabbits, but really anything with four legs that moves. It's my right and I enjoy it.
.. so maybe we should now arrest every comic-author, game-inventor and movie-producer as all of those 'plan' really really cruel things .. (not to forget about military, which is probably the worst in these kinds of plans .. )
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I'll lay money that these four students follow the "religion pf peace"
I'll lay money that these four students follow the "religion pf peace"
In which case it will turn out that they were all keen on drama and practicing a play. Everyone will have to apologize and they will be given a trip to the white house.
I'll lay money that you've never actually talked with any real people of that religion, and only have your conception of them based on what you see in the media.
I'll lay money that you've never actually talked with any real people of that religion, and only have your conception of them based on what you see in the media.
Wrong
An interesting bet. How many of the high-school / college mass killings in USA were done by the religion of peace, do you reckon?
An interesting bet. How many of the high-school / college mass killings in USA were done by the religion of peace, do you reckon?
Not many, but this one is a conspiracy of four. While its possible that four lone loonies found each-other it is much more likely that they were all muslim, and that way knowing that they would at least not get reported for telling each other their plans.
I'm getting a bit of a vibe that this story is massively overblown, it seems clear that they didn't have any weapons and the only "proof" are confessions by several high school students. It's possible that the police caught several severely disturbed individuals planning a mass killing, and if they did they have my thanks. But its also possible that this is another case of overreaching law enforcement taking a few loud mouthed idiots ranting as a massive criminal conspiracy and rolling in with SWAT teams, armored vehicles and heavy handed interrogation tactics, if that's the case some of these officers need to spend time behind bars themselves.
I understand, but how many is not many? 5 or 10 or 50? I can't remember a single one off the top of my head to be honest.
must have been non-muslim kids... if it were angry and mentally unstable muslim kids, this would be a terrorist attack averted.
As far as I know the recent Oklahoma college killing. We'll see about this one shortly I'm sure
Yeah, those Christians, so violent, and responsible for most the deaths in the United States. Despite having "Thou shalt not murder" (or kill, depending on translation) as one of their commandments. Such hypocrites!
Apparently females can tell reality from fiction a lot better than males. And maybe even minority males can, as well?
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a time before the thought police arrested people for having an imagination...
I'm sure some politician will use it as an excuse to say "see, the California gun laws prevented them from doing this". CNN will be all over it, as will Obama. You watch and see.
How about backing up your claim by providing proof that the NRA advocates that people under 18 should have access to firearms? Their website has a detailed description of their stance on the issue and there are plenty of YouTube vids of NRA spokespeople.
Otherwise, refrain from posting your strawman BS.
it is much more likely that they were all muslim
Based on today's media standards, the mere fact that the race/religion of the kids is not mentioned suggests that they are white. But you just go on gobbling up all the fear-mongering about those dangerous muslims.
That's Oregon, not Oklahoma. I'm sure it is easy to confuse the two.
In this society, that is the important question.
In fairness pretty much all religions preach peace out the front door.
You disgusting, lazy human being. Whatever society shat out your flaccid intellect should be thoroughly ashamed of itself. You just made a generalisation of over 1.6 billion people and didn't even blink. You need help.
How do the cops know that these kids weren't just working on the plot for a school play about mass killings? Given how many have happened, this is not an unlikely scenario. Kids are scared, and need to explore how this shit happens. I wrote a short story about heroin addiction, but that doesn't mean I ever had anything to do with it!
Christianity? Well chances are they are.
For God is not a God of disorder but of peace - Corinthians 14:33
Which one is that? Christianity? Anti-semitism? White supremacism?
In your mind, guns ARE the problem. Removing them from society, even though 99% of owners have never done anything wrong, is your magic fix for the problem.
The rest of us try to make you all see reason in that guns, like anything else humans have used to kill each other over our entire existence, are nothing more than tools. How they're used is solely up to the wielder of said tool. However, you seem to ignore this fact every single time some bat-shit-crazy individual goes out and shoots up a bus full of Nuns, or a schoolyard, a workplace, or whatever. It's the GUNS fault. Each and every time.
Yet ( and this is where your hypocrisy really shines ) anytime the shooting starts, what is the very first thing you do ?
You dial 911.
Which you know will do what ?
IT BRINGS A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE WITH GUNS TO THE SCENE. The relevant part of that sentence being " WITH GUNS ".
Don't even go down the path of " Well they're properly trained to use them " because we're not talking about the wielder are we ? We're talking about the tool. Remember, to you all, it's the gun. Not the person behind it.
So to all of you who seem to think guns are the problem and not the people wielding them, how do you justify calling the police for help ? Knowing they're going to be bringing lots of guns with them. Remember, to you all, it's not the people, it's without a doubt the GUN that's the problem which is why you want them all banned.
So, I have to ask. Which is it ?
Are guns really the problem or do you think it might just be guns in the hands of the wrong type of person that might be our issue here ? Because if you think it's ok to call the police ( who will be bringing lots of guns with them ) then you can't possibly deny that, in the hands of the right people, guns can actually save lives.
Afterthought: This will probably nuke my karma into oblivion but I don't really care. The folks who think banning something like a firearm will magically make everyone get along and the killings will stop just makes absolutely no sense to me. Mankind has been killing each other en masse since the dawn of time for various reasons using various tools. I don't see us stopping that behavior anytime soon unless we nuke each other into sub-atomic particles. The bright side of nuking everything would be the majority of your gun violence would stop :D
Is shooting up your school this year's version of the "27 club" fad?
Here's the thing.
Conspiracy to commit murder is pretty much 99.highNines% a "bad thing" and so if people do that, we have a good reason to drag them into court, and henceforth to prison. The fact that some assholes will do this is true; the fact that we want to then isolate them from everyone is also true. This, then, is a good law, because it does not interfere with everyone else's legitimate goings-on, and it can actually protect us from those assholes -- it's just about a perfect guarantee that if people are engaged in conspiracy to commit murder, it'd be much, much better for everyone else if they are stopped.
Carrying a gun is pretty much a 99.highNines% okay thing, as in, no one is going to get hurt by that, and so if people do that, we do not have a good reason to drag them into court, and henceforth to prison. The fact that very, very rarely, some assholes with bad intent will carry guns is not a good reason to tell everyone else they cannot carry guns. Further, as anything these assholes do that is actually asshole-ish already has a law against it (including conspiracy to commit murder, as above), we already have somewhat working tools to address, punish the actuality of, and in some cases even prevent, the problem. Do we need more tools? Yes, we do, because the problem continues to arise -- we have not solved it.
So, as to appropriate and effective tools: I think it's fair to say that most young who are in a state of mind of "I want to [kill|maim] [person|list]" have been pretty severely mistreated in one way or another. Classing, bullying, shaming, beatings and so on. Reducing that is where the effort should be applied by society. Not only because those things are bad, as they certainly are, but because they are known to be significantly contributing or primarily causal factors in this kind of acting out. Which, by the way, guns are not. The act of keeping and carrying arms is not what makes a person want to use it on other people. It's the wrong behavioral target. The problem is not arms. The problem is our defective culture, specifically in how our people, most definitely including our young people, treat each other due to perceived differences. Schools pretty much ignore this stuff. I remember all of it going on at a pretty good clip in my high school, and also in the high school my kids went to decades later. When they were bullied and shamed and I went in to talk about it with the powers that be at the school, I was told the kids "just have to work it out", which is, in my opinion, the root of the problem. No, the kids don't have to work it out on their own. The authorities should be eliminating the problem in every way possible, root, stem and branch. The entire competitive landscape in schools is wrongheaded, from academia to sports to any other means of holding up A as "better" than B. That's a whole different discussion, but that does provide a good overview of the problem.
Restricting arms won't solve the problem. Two reasons: One, it isn't the problem, and two, once someone is in the state of mind that says "I'm gonna [maim|kill] alla these fuckerz", they're already well past obeying laws, and well past caring about how it is done. So say there are magically no more guns. Does that clear the deck of easy ways to [maim|kill]? No, of course it doesn't. A little sword work, some mace swinging, a well-timed exercise of driving a vehicle into a crowd, home-made explosives, any number of poisoning mechanisms, sabotaging a bus, a well-set fire... it's just not that difficult to create huge amounts of mayhem, specifically or generally, by any number of easy means, even if all guns were magicked away. That is the core matter -- not how the mayhem is created. Guns are simply the preferred tool right now. Take them out of the equation, and it is a certainty that something else will become the preferred tool. Because all such a restriction does is take away that one tool. It doesn't take away either the motivation for mayhem, or
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... what's to prevent more guns being imported disguised as routine cocaine shipments?
It looks like the pre-crime unit has been busy....
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And tomorrow ain't as bad as it seems
See subject - there's one for you that it can't stop... happy now (see result article).
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(It's not that good, & neither am I - & I wasn't there or aware of it...)
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P.S.=> Now, IF I was & was aware of it - never would've happened @ all - as I'd have stopped it, as only I can (lol, let's see Duke Nukem do better in his NEW book "Why I'm so great!"...)
... apk
Of course not. He doesn't believe 'the media'. That's for rubes.
"had not however been able yet to obtain the weapons they wanted"
well, clearly they're not real Americans then.
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