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802.11ac WiFi Router Round-Up Tests Broadcom XStream Platform Performance (hothardware.com)

MojoKid writes: Wireless routers are going through somewhat of a renaissance right now, thanks to the arrival of the 802.11ac standard that is "three times as fast as wireless-N" and the proliferation of Internet-connected devices in our homes and pockets. AC is backward compatible with all previous standards, and whereas 802.11n was only able to pump out 450Mb/s of total bandwidth, 802.11ac is capable of transmitting at up to 1,300Mbps on a 5GHz channel. AC capability is only available on the 5GHz channel, which has fewer devices on it than a typical 2.4GHz channel. The trade-off is that 5GHz signals typically don't travel as far as those on the 2.4GHz channel.

However, 802.11ac makes up for it with a technology named Beamforming, which allows it to figure out where devices are located and amplify the signal in their direction instead of just broadcasting in all directions like 802.11n. Also, while 802.11n supports only four streams of data, 802.11ac supports up to eight streams on channels that are twice as wide. HotHardware's AC Router round-up takes a look at four flagship AC routers from ASUS, TRENDnet, D-Link and Netgear. All are AC3200 routers that use the new Broadcom XStream 5G platform. Netgear's Nighthawk X6 tends to offer the best balance of performance in various use cases. However, all models performed similarly, with subtle variances in design, features and pricing left to differentiate them from one another.

77 comments

  1. Buy APs, not Wireless Routers by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Wireless routers are a security disaster. Public interface combined with the front door and back door to your network.

    Get access points. They don't run out of memory because they aren't doing all that routing and firewall stuff.
    Have a separate router.

    Don't mix to two. Just don't.

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    1. Re:Buy APs, not Wireless Routers by guacamole · · Score: 2

      It is trivial to turn off the routing functionality, effectively configuring the router into AP.

      http://www.smallnetbuilder.com...

    2. Re:Buy APs, not Wireless Routers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but why should I pay for all that routing functionality when I will turn it off anyway?

    3. Re:Buy APs, not Wireless Routers by guacamole · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, but why should I pay for all that routing functionality when I will turn it off anyway?

      You don't have any other alternatives, at least when we're talking about home-network class hardware. The market for plain ACs is so thin, that it's much easier and cheaper to actually buy a wireless router.

    4. Re:Buy APs, not Wireless Routers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because an AP with this level of WiFi performance costs much more.

    5. Re:Buy APs, not Wireless Routers by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 3, Informative

      ...or buy one supported by https://openwrt.org/

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    6. Re:Buy APs, not Wireless Routers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Plus almost all of them are running embedded linux of some sort so its trivial for the manufacturer to add routing capabilities as most consumers see it as a necessary feature. It would cost them far more in returns and sales for dumb consumers buying an AP thinking it's also a router if it was marketed towards consumers.

    7. Re:Buy APs, not Wireless Routers by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      I'll settle for a router / access point that keeps up with heavy use and doesn't magically slow down, randomly refuses connections, suddenly forgets about DHCP or stops passing on DHCP requests to the server, requiring a reboot to start working normally again. I've tried quite a few brands and models (including one with OpenWRT), and on the advice of someone who deals with networking equipment a lot, the best one I got is a cheap ass (€40) TP-Link model, which works very well but has a pitiful range.

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    8. Re:Buy APs, not Wireless Routers by ernest.cunningham · · Score: 3, Informative

      The Ubiquiti UAP Access Points I would consider home-network through to enterprise class. A three pack is cheaper than all but the Trendnet router. Coupled with a Security Gateway and you have a bloody easy setup that is fairly price competitive and easy to maintain.
      https://www.ubnt.com/unifi/uni...

      I guess my feeling of what home-network class may be out of the norm but I found the ubiquity gear easier to setup and configure than the Fritzbox given to me by my ISP.

    9. Re:Buy APs, not Wireless Routers by Willuz · · Score: 1

      Except that openwrt does not work reliably with any 802.11AC routers which are the entire topic of this article. This lends even more credit to the advice of separating the two since newer wireless protocols/chipsets take much longer to develop stable open source drivers. However, even a 5 year old router with DD-WRT can do a great job as a router up to 100Mb which is enough for nearly all home internet connections. So load an older but very stable router with DD-WRT then get a newer access point which can support the higher wireless speeds.

    10. Re:Buy APs, not Wireless Routers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      for the home? meh, why waste electricity on two devices that are on 24/7 when it can be one device and 95% as effective.

      yes I'm a power user

    11. Re: Buy APs, not Wireless Routers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is just not true. I ran OpenWrt on a TP-Link Archer C7 (v2) for a year and a half, with 0 stability issues and tons of features, behind a FTTH 200/100 Mbps connection.

      Yes, you will lose some performance, because OpenWrt doesn't support hardware NAT, for instance, but I still could max out my connection over both GbE and 802.11ac, so that's not really a deal breaker.

      That router is not in the same performance class as the ones discussed in TFA, though.

    12. Re:Buy APs, not Wireless Routers by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      I'm talking about the security issues of all-in-one wireless routers.
      OTS routers are bad enough. OTS routers with WiFi built in are a worst case scenario.

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    13. Re:Buy APs, not Wireless Routers by Bengie · · Score: 1

      I'm willing to pay upwards of $400 for an AP, and I really want one because I want to do VLANs, but I have yet to see a 6 antenna MU-MIMO 1700+ AP.

      Another issue that I realized is that I have a better chance of a home wireless router letting me install OpenWRT than an AP. One of the eventual changes to OpenWRT is per device wifi queues. Wifi is only fast because it supports batching, but the network stacks are so dumb that they only batch when there are 2 or more packets in a row destined for the same device. If you get two devices using a lot of bandwidth, instead of batching, you get the wifi sending out one packet at a time since it send out packets FIFO and only batches sequential packets. the proposed changes for OpenWRT have been tested to no do strict FIFO, but instead FIFO per device queue, but round robin the queues instead of the packets. This dramatically increased effective bandwidth while reducing latency for gaming and VoIP.

      One of the biggest benefits of MU-MIMO is that they have N number of queues because they need to support transmitting to multiple devices concurrently. This effectively gives your per device queues so long as your number of devices do not exceed the number of concurrent transmissions and the beams do not overlap.

    14. Re:Buy APs, not Wireless Routers by Bengie · · Score: 1

      Ignoring the quality difference and only focusing on the tech difference for the purpose of argument. Thanks for the reference though!
      Not MU-MIMO, only MIMO. Big difference. Sub 900Mb is pretty slow.

    15. Re:Buy APs, not Wireless Routers by gizmo2199 · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure I follow. Most home "routers" also have wifi capabilities. They allow you to connect to your ISPs modem, connect several LAN computers to the modem, as well as connect WiFi devices.

      How would your setup work? Do you have a LAN router that connects to the WAN modem, and then a separate AP for Wifi devices? That seems expensive, and not easy to maintain.

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    16. Re:Buy APs, not Wireless Routers by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure I follow. Most home "routers" also have wifi capabilities. They allow you to connect to your ISPs modem, connect several LAN computers to the modem, as well as connect WiFi devices.

      How would your setup work? Do you have a LAN router that connects to the WAN modem, and then a separate AP for Wifi devices? That seems expensive, and not easy to maintain.

      That is exactly how WiFi was designed from day 1. As APs connected to a LAN.

      WiFi Routers came later.

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    17. Re:Buy APs, not Wireless Routers by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      Yup. That's what I use. Ubiquiti is pretty good gear and they make the right product. Not Frankenstein combo wifi, router, cable modem, kitchen sink boxes.

      Ideal for our 3 story house with a business downstairs. It does a good job of separating the open wifi from the closed wifi on the internal network.

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  2. Apple Airport? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No mention of Apple products. Apple has been using 802.11ac for years. I have one of their wifi routers: easy to use, just works, etc. and it has 802.11ac.

    1. Re:Apple Airport? by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 3, Informative

      No mention of Apple products. Apple has been using 802.11ac for years. I have one of their wifi routers: easy to use, just works, etc. and it has 802.11ac.

      That's because it's really a Broadcom Xstream Chipset Router Roundup, not an 802.11ac Router Roundup. I wanted to see how they compared to my Draytek, but all they've reviewed is multiple tweaks of the same reference design from Broadcom. They even say they're reviewing "top-shelf units" (first time I've heard D-Link and Trendnet described as top-shelf), but then totally omit what I'd consider actual top-shelf units, maybe an Aironet 3600, a Draytek 2860, and an Airport Extreme.

    2. Re:Apple Airport? by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      According to this teardown of the Apple AirPort Extreme A1521, it does in fact have a Broadcom BCM4360 chip rated for 1.3Gbps. So the parent's original question is a good one. Why wasn't this included in the test??

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    3. Re:Apple Airport? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm unfamiliar with this usage of "top shelf", I guess it's another one of those things that has different meanings on different sides of the Atlantic. In the UK, "top shelf", usually referring to magazines or DVDs, means porno, literally kept on the top shelf in the shop so the kids can't reach them. On the other hand "top drawer" means "best quality", so I guess US "top shelf" = UK "top drawer".

    4. Re:Apple Airport? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      top self refers to a bar where the best liquor is kept on the top self

    5. Re:Apple Airport? by afidel · · Score: 1

      Actually they've been making some of the best SOHO routers since the original Airport Extreme. I'm not sure where they bought their wlan talent but Apple can take the same merchant chips and make a superior device out of it and they tend to support them longer than pure networking companies. The one downside is they tend to be on the expensive side vs other solutions unless you buy them right after a refresh where they are generally competitive.

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    6. Re:Apple Airport? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sound like someone that's never had issues with airports. I have used two - one for my sister and family (3 years ago) and now lastly the tall one with disk for my parrents. I've had issues with both, and as you can't do anything outside of the app's your only option is to send it back. It might be good enough for technology dyslectics, but I'll never ever get one for myself. Awesome range on the new one though, even if it's stability is about 2 months. (my rt-ac66u running shibby is rock solid since I moved here in January)

  3. "up to 1,300Mbps" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah if your in a lab setting. I'm betting you'll never see better than 500Mbps even in the most ideal of home environments.

    1. Re:"up to 1,300Mbps" by guacamole · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The 1300Mbps is a scam figure because it's industry convention to report the layer 2 data transfer rate, but at that layer there is a lot of chatter dealing specifically with the physical link quality, which can be substantial with wireless. So indeed, in most cases you can take the number, then divide by two. That's the TCP/UDP data rate you will see in the best case scenario.

      Moreover, 1300Mbps is the figure for the three-stream capable devices. But what's the percent of clients with three stream wireless adapters? About less than 5%?

    2. Re:"up to 1,300Mbps" by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      Won't the higher available bandwidth help when there's multiple WiFi devices?

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    3. Re:"up to 1,300Mbps" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most 802.11ac adapters are three stream. Otherwise the performance is not that much better compared the 802.11n (the very high modulation orders require extreme SNRs). Cell phones typically are mostly two streams (though one stream does exist, it is not worth it. 2 stream 802.11n will in practice outperform 1 stream 802.11ac), but laptops are almost all three stream.

    4. Re:"up to 1,300Mbps" by citizenr · · Score: 1

      >industry convention to report the layer 2

      you wish, usually they report layer 1 speed, remember how g was supposed to be 54 Mbit/s? but in reality it topped off at 20Mbit :)

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    5. Re:"up to 1,300Mbps" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, is this only chip "hub" bandwidth in aggregate, or can clients also fully saturate the limitation of the AP; provided hardware requirements are met at both ends.

    6. Re:"up to 1,300Mbps" by gmack · · Score: 1

      All I really care about is that, for the first time, I can actually use wireless reliably. I have a link in my apartment where the wireless router is in the next room to my bedroom. I struggled to get decent speeds for even youtube but since upgrading my wireless router to 802.11ac, I've managed to stream 1080p movies off my NAS.

    7. Re:"up to 1,300Mbps" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're saying a gigabit ethernet or a 10gbit ethernet card/switch/port should be advertised with the correct throughput figures?

      On individual switchports too?

    8. Re:"up to 1,300Mbps" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Up until the point that all of your neighbors upgrade to AC with 80 MHz or 160 MHz channels on 5Ghz and suddenly your back to the same crowded, interference burdened system you see on 2.4GHz. It's ridiculous that these units will be sold, configured out of the box for maximum speed, chewing up spectrum, to connect to a 10Mbs Internet connection.

    9. Re:"up to 1,300Mbps" by guacamole · · Score: 1

      It only would have MU-MIMO enabled devices, and they started hitting the market only this summer. So if you have three single stream AC clients and an AC17500/AC1900 three stream access point, then they all could talk it at once. However, there is still an issue with MU-MIMO, because MU-MIMO allows simultaneous clients only for uploads to the router. It won't help in situations one MU-MIMO client transferring files to another MU-MIMO client connected to the same radio on a AC.

    10. Re:"up to 1,300Mbps" by guacamole · · Score: 1

      Well, that shouldn't be an issue for 802.11ac or 802.11n. But like I mentioned in an other post, any AC router rated faster than AC1750 or AC1900 is overkill. You can make an argument that the two-stream AC1200 will suffice for 90% of households, since less than 5% or so of people have three stream capable wireless adapters.

    11. Re:"up to 1,300Mbps" by gmack · · Score: 1

      Up until the point that all of your neighbors upgrade to AC with 80 MHz or 160 MHz channels on 5Ghz and suddenly your back to the same crowded, interference burdened system you see on 2.4GHz. It's ridiculous that these units will be sold, configured out of the box for maximum speed, chewing up spectrum, to connect to a 10Mbs Internet connection.

      There are many more 5 ghz channels than 2.4 ghz and the range is much shorter so there will actually be fewer neighbors to contend with so the situation should never get anywhere near as bad as it is now on 2.4 ghz. On top of that things like, cheap wireless phones and baby monitors are not on the 5ghz range so I doubt the situation will ever end up as bad.

    12. Re:"up to 1,300Mbps" by pak9rabid · · Score: 1

      Most newer high-end laptops have 3-stream 802.11ac, like the MBP I'm typing this on.

    13. Re:"up to 1,300Mbps" by afidel · · Score: 1

      It won't help in situations one MU-MIMO client transferring files to another MU-MIMO client connected to the same radio on a AC.

      Actually MU-MIMO requires beam forming which means it does help as long as the clients are separated by enough angular space for the beam forming to happen.

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    14. Re:"up to 1,300Mbps" by phizi0n · · Score: 1

      The "divide by 2" rule has never been that accurate. Back in late B spec/early G spec days when I first heard this rule, actual throughput was usually 40-45% of the link rate. N spec improved coding efficiency greatly and is around 60-65% as well as AC spec.

  4. Beamforming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The idea of beamforming is interesting, to identify the direction devices are in and transmit in that direction. Generally this is done with a phased array antenna. I'm curious if this will result in changes to the shape of routers and antennas to accommodate the array. Why not make the routers taller and put the antenna arrays in the sides. Beamforming might save power and reduce interference versus omnidirectional antennas, though one drawback of phased arrays is the tendency to get grating lobes.

    1. Re:Beamforming by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

      In D-LInk's case it seems to have turned them into props from the Battlestar Galactica reboot. I mean seriously, did you look at the photos of the AC3200? It should be marketed as an 802.11ac WTF Router.

    2. Re:Beamforming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bought that beast of a router. I'd read that it's huge in online reviews, but was still surprised when I actually opened the box to see that "yes, it needs that big a box". I've placed it behind my 46-inch TV as nothing else could hide it from view.

      Other than that though, it's really good (nice interface, android app, super-fast transfers between macbook pros) and now that I've got used to it the look has grown on me...

    3. Re:Beamforming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trust me, there is always worse, Asus RT-AC5300U

    4. Re:Beamforming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The idea of beamforming is interesting, to identify the direction devices are in and transmit in that direction. Generally this is done with a phased array antenna. I'm curious if this will result in changes to the shape of routers and antennas to accommodate the array.

      So how does this work for the folks on the other side of that beam? I guess no more placing the ehing in the center of a building - first person catches the signal, and screw everyone else.

  5. Testing methodology flawed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wish they had tested these wireless APs in a more intelligent manner.

    That is, installing the latest beta of dd-wrt and openwrt on them, putting them in AP mode and cabling them into a layer 2 switched connected to the LAN interface of a pfsense router.

    Do people still run stock firmware on their cheap consumer-grade wireless APs?

  6. They all have weakness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From my research almost all routers duel band and multi compliance routers have weaknesses in at least one area. No matter if that's a performance issues, range, or firmware weakness. Best overall features to look for is external antennas for 5Ghz bands because internals are worthless, also the ability to use third party firmware a plus. Range does not always mean it carry's speed too. Many routers tested that do well in range tend to fall flat quickly in speed. In any case my experience still has not changed. For range the 2.4 Ghz band is better, for speed and reduced interference in crowded areas you use 5Ghz. Let's also not forget the router is only half the issue with wireless. Your devices may also help or hurt connection speed, range, and performance. Wireless is really a mixed bag depending on location, and outside interference. Its really hard to say which router will work best in your location. But in general, the better your antenna's the better range and performance you should get. Internal antennas are never going to be as good. Beaming is another hit or miss feature. It can help range but does little to improve speed. Where you locate your router does far more to help then any other way of improving signal quality.

    1. Re:They all have weakness by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They do seem to have focused almost entirely on one single thing, which is probably irrelevant for most non-geek users: If their router can stream YouTube, Skype, or Facetime, then it's fast enough. The criteria that really matter to most users, things like "Do you need to reboot it every second day in order to keep it functioning", "What are the chances of it being incorporated into a botnet if I do something as totally crazy as connecting it to the Internet" (something that Asus, D-Link, Netgear, and, oh yes, Trendnet are notorious for), and "For how many minutes after I buy it will the vendor provide firmware upgrades" (Linksys, where everything's a legacy product as soon as it ships) haven't been taken into consideration.

    2. Re:They all have weakness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They do seem to have focused almost entirely on one single thing, which is probably irrelevant for most non-geek users

      Yeah, when I read reviews of liquid cooled, dual graphics card gaming PCs I too wonder why they focus so much on extreme games performance and not on what matter to most users. If it can browse Facebook it is good enough. (Hint: These routers are not targeted at "most users" but high-end speed seeking geeks).

    3. Re:They all have weakness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not much of a geek if this is what you're looking for, but more like a poser. I'd say the one part where this review interest me is when they start talking about after market firmware. Shame none of them do open-source drivers.

    4. Re:They all have weakness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If their router can stream YouTube, Skype, or Facetime, to every person and their chosen device, concurrently then it's fast enough

      FTFY

      Personally, I put every possible thing on the wire and then use proper wireless access points, but we must acknowledge that typical users these days can't be bothered, and just assume that their wireless router--be it the $30 Walmart model or something better--is going to handle every device in the house, and never need a power cycle.

  7. AC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's AC short for? Alternate Connection?! ^__^

    1. Re:AC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anonymous Coward

  8. Just don't use the routing? by swb · · Score: 1

    Maybe I'm crazy, but it seemed like there was a time when pure access points got strangely expensive and "routers" were cheap.

    So I just bought a router and used one of the LAN ports as its uplink, avoiding the "WAN" port and all the routing functionality together. I already have a firewall/router elsewhere.

    The only downside I've seen of doing this is some of the devices I've used seem to have some of their ancillary functionality, like NTP, hardcoded to only use the WAN port for outgoing traffic.

    1. Re:Just don't use the routing? by gmack · · Score: 1

      The Asus routers have a nice "AP mode" where NAT/DHCP gets turned off and NTP, updates etc just keep working. Contrast that with the latest Linksys models that reset their config if they can't access the internet through the WAN port to manage it's "cloud based management".

      These days I use nothing but Asus for myself and I advise customers to avoid Linksys..

    2. Re:Just don't use the routing? by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      I like the Ubiquiti APs with PoE. So less clutter.

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  9. OpenWRT? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    So which ones are well-supported (actually functional and stable) by OpenWRT? The bandwidth will be nice, but dealing with factory firmware isn't worth it.

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    1. Re:OpenWRT? by flink · · Score: 2

      The ASUS router ships with a custom version of DD-WRT, and you can always put the stock version on there. Not sure about OpenWRT support though.

    2. Re:OpenWRT? by Algan · · Score: 1

      Actually the Asus router comes with their own firmware called AsusWRT, which is licensed under GPL. There's at least one hobbyist derivative by the name AsusWRT Merlin. Asus has been known to cooperate with Merlin by providing them with beta versions and by pulling patches into their mainline firmware. Third party firmwares such as Tomato or DD-WRT can also be installed. The factory firmware isn't too bad as of now, but if you're the kind that likes to mod routers, Asus is a pretty good choice

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    3. Re:OpenWRT? by flink · · Score: 1

      Ah OK, I thought AsusWRT was DD-WRT-derived. My mistake. Anyway, when I was researching routers I chose the ASUS RT-AC68U based on it being amicable to flashing with other firmware. The out of the box stuff is pretty good though, and so far I haven't felt the need to tinker with it yet.

    4. Re:OpenWRT? by naris · · Score: 1

      TFA answers that question for DD-WRT:

      Trendnet router fared in our wireless testing. It's also the only router in this test to openly support the DD-WRT open source firmware (though builds are available for all of the others), which could seal the deal for many folks reading this. The other routers here do have support from the DD-WRT communnity as well, though they don't "officially" support it.

      One would think OpenWRT would be similar, but it does not appear to be so as none of them show up in the list on OpenWRT's site.

    5. Re:OpenWRT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would be a tad wary about DD-WRT being 'supported' by your router.

      For instance, flashing a trailed build on my RT-N16 with k3.x always results in a soft brick. There is a special k3.x version that needs to be flashed first, then you can update to the latest k3.x. Do it any other way, and it results in a non-functioning router (until you tftp a k26 version on). Information about this is buried deep on the forum, and isn't in the plainest english. There are other router models that have similar caveats with versions of DD-WRT. Even though the firmware comes with a 'beta' description, you are opening yourself up to massive problems and soft bricking. Digging through the DD-WRT forums is required before putting it on your router.

      I don't have any experience with OpenWRT, but I don't think figuring out which (if any) specific OpenWRT firmware file to flash on your router could possibly be worse than the clusterfuck that is DD-WRT. Just read the forums, make a nvram backup of your router, and be familiar with how to tftp a working firmware onto it in case of a soft brick.

    6. Re:OpenWRT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Netgear Nighthawk X6 (or R8000) is the only one that has a hope of full OpenWRT support in the short term. It's the only one that has both the 2.4 and 5 Ghz radios supportable by the open source brcmsmac driver.

  10. Why? by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1
    Since our "Broadband" is delivered by a doped slug with a man carrying a red flag walking in front of it, I doubt we will notice the difference.

    802.11b is comfortably faster than our "Borat_band".

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    1. Re:Why? by afidel · · Score: 1

      I guess your cable company hasn't upgraded to DOCSIS 3 yet? Because even first generation head ends running in 4x4 mode support 152/108, the new DOCSIS 3.1 spec supports speeds in the ten gigabit per second range. The few markets served by FTTH can also get 10Gbps speeds through 10G-PON, it's just sad that it's not available nationwide since we paid AT&T 10's of billions to build that next generation network.

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    2. Re:Why? by Caedite+Eos · · Score: 1

      Not everyone lives up here in Canada. Some people DO actually have decent Internet speeds.

  11. And this matters *why*? by pla · · Score: 1

    At least in the US, this serves absolutely no purpose, since even plain ol' 802.11g/a beats anything short of FTTP.

    Hell, I even use a pretty kickass home media server, and streaming a 1080p Blu-Ray rip only sucks down around 20-30MBps on average (peaks at 54, IIRC). 802.11n can handle 5-10 of those simultaneously without breaking a sweat.

    I don't mean to sound like "640k should be enough for anyone" - I love new toys - But we need to address the bigger problem with getting the bits to our door before we worry about how fast the bits actually move around inside our houses.

    1. Re:And this matters *why*? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Backups over WiFi that are bottlenecked by my NAS disk write speed are worth the investment in 802.11ac.

      Downloading from the net at the same time and simultaneously watching a HD movie streaming to my TV without hitting WiFi bandwidth constraints is something I don't even think about.

      It's good, I benefit from it supporting way higher throughput than my WAN connection and it's also nice knowing it supports the full 160Mbps I get over WAN too.

    2. Re:And this matters *why*? by afidel · · Score: 1

      I guess your cable company hasn't upgraded to DOCSIS 3 yet? Because even first generation head ends running in 4x4 mode support 152/108, the new DOCSIS 3.1 spec supports speeds in the ten gigabit per second range.

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    3. Re:And this matters *why*? by Aqualung812 · · Score: 1

      But we need to address the bigger problem with getting the bits to our door before we worry about how fast the bits actually move around inside our houses.

      1. I've been using the Xbox One streaming to my laptop, which will now work in 1080p, but getting it to work on my 802.11n has been problematic. Plugging into my 1g wired connection solves it.

      2. While, in theory, 802.11n should allow HD streaming between devices on my WLAN, the issue is that I'm in a moderate density area (1/4 acre lots. Not an apartment, but not in the woods), and I can see around 10-20 SSIDs nearby. The more everyone switches to 802.11ac, the less time each access point will be using a channel, and the less likely it will be that we'll be bumping into each other. Add beamforming, and the channels are getting even clearer.

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    4. Re:And this matters *why*? by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      A WRT54G can't keep up with a 50Mbps connection. Oh it'll come fairly close, meaning it can handle anything less than that, but it won't reach 50Mbps. Now a N model, sure, it can keep up.

    5. Re:And this matters *why*? by waTeim · · Score: 1

      As for me, 60/6 currently expected to upgrade to 300/20 on Nov 3; Time Warner. Google fiber later. For now ASUS 802.11ac hand-me-down is sufficient (not always downstairs). What's going on with your pathetic bandwidth, do you live in some rural area or something? LEO satellite will take care of that... not this year.

  12. WIFI suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why, since some time ago most, well lets just say many manufactures decides that any advance features of the consumer grade radios don't need to support lets just say MAC spoofing and other nice features, so right now many of them are useless but really good for the big brother organizations. MAC tracking again is the new way of tracking idiots everywhere, suck it up! Or get new disposable notebook every time you are in the matrix.

  13. Antenna is more important than radio by speedlaw · · Score: 1

    Hams know that a good antenna system backed by a marginal radio will always beat a great radio on a garbage antenna. Good to know that rule applies for wireless as well. My move to an AC router meant that my 2.4 ghz signal is now maxed out in the whole house, and the 5 ghz signal, which used to work in two rooms only, now covers the whole house like my old router on 2.4.

  14. Not an equal comparison by nuckfuts · · Score: 1

    All of the routers tested in TFA are rated for 600Mb/s @2.4GHz and 1,300Mb/s @ 5GHz. The UniFi AC Lite AP that you link to is rated at 300Mb/s @2.4GHz and 867Mb/s @ 5GHz, so no surprise they're a lot cheaper.

    The Ubiquiti UniFi products also require management software to be installed on some local computer, they don't provide a built-in web interface like most home networking devices. Whether this makes them "easier to configure" is a matter of personal preference I suppose.

    1. Re:Not an equal comparison by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      I ran that software once to configure it. If you need it again, you can reinstall it. There's not much configuration for an AP beyond SSIDs, passwords, security requirements and some wacky 11e settings if you're on drugs.

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