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The Most Disruptive Technology of the Last 100 Years Isn't What You Think

HughPickens.com writes: Ana Swanson writes in the Washington Post that when people talk about "disruptive technologies," they're usually thinking of the latest thing out of Silicon Valley but some of the most historically disruptive technologies aren't exactly what you would expect and arguably, the most disruptive technologiy of the last century is the refrigerator. In the 1920s, only about a third of households reported having a washer or a vacuum, and refrigerators were even rarer. But just 20 years later, refrigerator ownership was common, with more than two-thirds of Americans owning an icebox. According to Helen Veit, the surge in refrigerator ownership totally changed the way that Americans cooked. "Before reliable refrigeration, cooking and food preservation were barely distinguishable tasks" and techniques like pickling, smoking and canning were common in nearly every American kitchen. With the arrival of the icebox and then the electric refrigerator, foods could now be kept and consumed in the same form for days. Americans no longer had to make and consume great quantities of cheese, whiskey and hard cider — some of the only ways to keep foods edible through the winter. "A whole arsenal of home preservation techniques, from cheese-making to meat-smoking to egg-pickling to ketchup-making, receded from daily use within a single generation," writes Veit.

Technologies like the smartphone, the computer and the Internet have, of course, dramatically changed the ways we live and work but consider the spread of electricity, running water, the flush toilet developed and popularized by Thomas Crapper and central heating and the changes these have wrought. "These technologies were so disruptive because they massively reduced the time spent on housework," concludes Swanson. "The number of hours that people spent per week preparing meals, doing laundry and cleaning fell from 58 in 1900 to only 18 hours in 1970, and it has declined further since then."

330 comments

  1. Disruptive? by invictusvoyd · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Smoking = carcinogens
    Pickling = excessive salt
    Canning = Preservatives

    Refrigeration = lower temperature
    I choose refrigeration .

    1. Re:Disruptive? by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You can just live in a bubble, and avoid anything dangerous. Oh wait, we found that we need a good supply of microorganisms to keep our body healthy, so living in a bubble is bad for our health too.
      Our body can deal with with many of these "Bad" things when at the correct level. And with the amounts ideal, you are probably overall healthier than without them.

      We americans trend towards excess, and will even go with excess of absence. Our body is designed to process many of these things, and without ingesting these harmful things, those part of our bodies atrophy and weaken our ability to protect against it. But that doesn't mean go hog while and base your diet strictly on foods with harmful elements. Just take things in moderation. A Balanced Diet, not an extreme one.

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    2. Re:Disruptive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come on, here at /. we all know the Tesla will ultimately save the world by disrupting AGW.

      And, btw, air conditioning comes right after refrigeration.
       

    3. Re:Disruptive? by rmdingler · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Smoking = carcinogens Pickling = excessive salt Canning = Preservatives Refrigeration = lower temperature I choose refrigeration .

      Of course, if there exists the luxury of such a choice.

      An even easier conundrum? Carcinogens, salt, and preservatives or starvation...

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    4. Re:Disruptive? by Mycroft-X · · Score: 5, Informative

      Canning = Preservatives

      Say what? No preservatives in anything I've canned.

      Step 1: Buy pork
      Step 2: Cut pork into smaller pieces
      Step 3: Pack pork in canning jar
      Step 4: Put lid on
      Step 5: Process through pressure canner (~1.5 hours)
      Step 6: Put on shelf for up to 5-10 years
      Step 7: Serve and enjoy!

      Pressure canning is one of the easiest things I've ever done.

    5. Re:Disruptive? by plopez · · Score: 2

      But failure to do so results in starvation or death by food borne illness. It sounds like a good trade off to me. also note that food was more expensive due to lack of refrigeration, which is why it is the primary focus of what constitutes poverty in the US. It could also be argued that cheap food means obesity. If food was more expensive, less would be wasted and portions smaller.

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    6. Re:Disruptive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Pickling = excessive salt "

      Brine is only one of the pickling solutions. Vinegar or an oil solution is more common. There's also fermentation pickling.

      "Canning = Preservatives"

      What? Canning means cooking the product (often in the can) and sealing it while it's still hot enough to be sterile. You don't add preservatives, well not under traditional processes anyway.

    7. Re:Disruptive? by Wycliffe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Smoking = carcinogens
      Pickling = excessive salt
      Canning = Preservatives
      Refrigeration = lower temperature
      I choose refrigeration .

      I'm not sure you understand what the work disruptive means. One of the reasons refrigeration was disruptive is because everyone chose it over all of the previous methods. That's exactly what disruptive means.

    8. Re:Disruptive? by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      I just started canning but with a water bath canner that also does the steam method. This means I'm more limited in what I am able to can. Anything has to be in a acidic liquid or sugar syrup or similar state (such as apple sauce). I can't do items such as meat or plain vegetables as I could if I had a pressure canner. Foods prepared this way are at their best for one year though are still good for longer.

    9. Re:Disruptive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Smoking = carcinogens Pickling = excessive salt Canning = Preservatives Refrigeration = lower temperature I choose refrigeration .

      Come on mods. "Insightful"? Bunch of stupid millennials ya'll are.

      Smoking is not the same as barbecue or burned meat juice/flesh and doesn't contain the same level alleged carcinogens.

      Pickling or lacto-fermentation doesn't require high levels of salt necessarily, and it's a lot less than some of the crap people shovel into their mouths now days, how much salt do you think is in chinese take out? Sushi, or even pizza? Back then, much of the pickling was also done to get something tasty with some water to people who needed both because they were doing physical labor. Salt is a very required mineral for humans that are actually _doing_ something.

      Lastly, preservatives? This is total complete utter ignorance. Here's what goes in fruit preserves: fruit, water, sugar. Which one is the alleged "preservative"? Water bath canning and pressure canning used.... salt, maybe a few spices, sometimes pectin. Ooooh, plants boiled down to some other parts.Scary!

      Refrigeration is good, it opens up all sorts of doors. The parent poster, is however, completely ignorant and using baseless "facts" for it's "reasoning."

    10. Re:Disruptive? by pushing-robot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Er... refrigeration preserves the microorganisms in food, it just slows down their metabolism. Smoking, pickling and canning are all designed to sterilize food so that it can be stored at room temperature. And I'm fairly certain we eat more salt, smoke and preservatives than hunter-gatherers ever did.

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    11. Re:Disruptive? by Mycroft-X · · Score: 1

      Foods prepared this way are at their best for one year though are still good for longer.

      Generally speaking, as long as the jar is still sealed the food texture and flavor will degrade long before it starts to lose much nutritional value. Everything that was in the jar at the time it was sealed is still there when you open it.

      That said I like eating food that tastes good, so it's good to use FIFO when consuming. My pork canned in 2011 is still tasty today though.

    12. Re:Disruptive? by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But here is the issue, as part of balance, if we have too much bacteria or the wrong type we get sick too. Refrigeration slows down the spoiling process however it doesn't stop it, thus giving us a false sense of security, while eating spoiled food, just because a particular strand seems to thrive better in colder temperatures than the others. While the food is sterilized to serve at room temperature still isn't sterilized, and sometimes fermentation takes advantage of microorganisms to create the flavor we like.
      We like the flavor from smoked, salted, and preserved foods. Why? Because we were evolved to like those, because we knew that it wasn't spoiled food and those side effect we can deal with.
      I am not contradicting myself BALANCE is the keyword. Pining on all the bad stuff we face in our environment isn't healthy. Taking normal precautions and finding what your body feels as a good balance will probably help you live longer than picking up on the weekly buzzword diet trend. Or trying to do what that pretty girl is trying this week.

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    13. Re:Disruptive? by ledow · · Score: 1

      God, if only there were ways that the human body could survive cooked food, eating salt, etc.. It's almost like we weren't BUILT to be able to survive things like that.

      Honestly, this is outside the bounds of health-freak and into complete paranoia.

      Ironically, refrigeration has probably been responsible for more deaths on Earth - including cancers - than any amount of food-smoking.

      Why you thinking smoking is somehow worse than cooking, I don't know - are you sitting there deeply-inhaling all the smoke constantly while your food smokes or are you normal? That's before we get into the cherry-picking of types of pickling and canning to support your argument at the expense of all the other (more normal) ways.

      P.S. A salted ham won't kill you. Nor will a smoked salmon. Or a tin of meat. What will is the stress on your body of worrying about all this stuff and avoiding it to this level.

    14. Re:Disruptive? by Gr8Apes · · Score: 2

      And I'd say running water, followed by toilets, and then electricity. Everything else flows from there.

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    15. Re:Disruptive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought our Savior was Uber-owned autonomous Tesla vehicles? Running Linux, of course (systemd free at that!)...

    16. Re:Disruptive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given that we no longer cook everything we eat over an open fire so that everything was barbequed, they probably did eat more smoked food.

    17. Re:Disruptive? by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Neither of which being "of the last 100 years".
      The Romans had running water and toilets. Electricity was used in the 1800s (DC mostly but it was used nevertheless).

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    18. Re:Disruptive? by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      How many people had running water, toilets, and electricity in 1915?

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    19. Re:Disruptive? by KGIII · · Score: 2

      I do all three. I grow and hunt (or fish for) my own food or know where it came from. Almost all of it, actually. Well, except when I'm on the road and then I find that other food tastes a bit different than I'm used to. I still eat it - it's not like I'm picky. I do it because I enjoy it, not any health or ethical reasons. Of course, freezing and refrigeration are also involved. I've learned to do all of these things and how to butcher my own meat from a neighbor and his wife. I usually buy a pig and a half a cow at a time and now I can do most of the cuts on my own and have learned a whole bunch of tasty preservation methods.

      I don't really grow my own grains. I have the land but not the equipment to harvest efficiently. I've given it some thought but I just don't think I'll ever do it unless I'm forced to and that seems rather unlikely.

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    20. Re:Disruptive? by OakDragon · · Score: 1

      Smoking = carcinogens Pickling = excessive salt Canning = Preservatives Refrigeration = lower temperature I choose refrigeration .

      Come on mods. "Insightful"? Bunch of stupid millennials ya'll are.

      Smoking is not the same as barbecue or burned meat juice/flesh and doesn't contain the same level alleged carcinogens.

      Maybe the OP thought that you made a smoked ham by getting the pig addicted to Marlboros.

    21. Re:Disruptive? by cayenne8 · · Score: 2
      Actually, with regard to pickling, it is ONLY to get rid of and protect against BAD micros. There are plenty of good gut bacteria grown and and promoted by pickled foods, if you're talking about natural fermentation pickling like with kraut, kimchee, cucumber pickles. You can actually replenish your good gut bacteria with these foods after you might lose them due to having to take antibiotics for an illness.

      Sure there is some salt, but you only have to do enough of a ratio to ensure that the healthy bacteria are able to culture and ferment you food with the acid by products and CO2.

      Heck, many of the old natural ways of preserving aided with "friendly" bacteria...beer for instance, when not pasteurized and filtered, has great live yeast in there that help with your B vitamins.

      IN many ways, modern conveniences have caused some problems.

      Hell, living TOO cleanly has likely put our present day children at health risks....they aren't exposed like we were in my day to microbes in the environment and were able to build our immune systems. Too sterile an environment is not good for kids today (do any of them actually PLAY outside in the dirt anymore?)....as that their immune systems may be weaker than should be...

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    22. Re:Disruptive? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Given that we no longer cook everything we eat over an open fire so that everything was barbequed, they probably did eat more smoked food.

      I dunno. Between my stick burner smoker and my latest toy, a Big Green Egg XL....i'm eating plenty of grilled and smoked foods (meats, seafood AND veggies).

      I like to cook out a lot....and no gas grills for me, I like real wood and charcoal for my foods cooked outside.

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    23. Re:Disruptive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're a fucking moron.

    24. Re:Disruptive? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      No. The dimwit just doesn't know anything because he's probably never done so much as boil water in his life.

      The summary noted that the time spent on "chores" is down. I was originally going to comment that this is probably because people mostly eat out now or indulge in pre-packaged snacks.

      People aren't enjoying home automation, they are avoiding the process entirely and just "outsourcing" it all.

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    25. Re:Disruptive? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Even I don't get to BBQ every day. Then again, they likely only got to BBQ when they had food.

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    26. Re:Disruptive? by Carewolf · · Score: 2

      How many people had running water, toilets, and electricity in 1915?

      Toilets, most people in the 1st world. At worst if you lived in a worker area of a big city you shared the toilets with you neighbour. Electricity is more recent, many rural areas didn't get that until the 1960s, and running water in rural areas depends on pumps and often came with electricity, in cities running water goes back to the Ancient rome.

    27. Re:Disruptive? by thrig · · Score: 1

      Everyone? My refrigerator has been turned off for years, and serves the quiet and inexpensive task of holding up the sourdough starter. The space where the ice box used to be has fermenting lemons, mead, kohlrabi, kraut, etc. Any actual productive use for a refrigerator (extending the life of beet kvaas, for instance) would need to be weighed against the noise and energy wasted on that giant of flavor, iceberg lettuce.

    28. Re:Disruptive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do not need preservatives to can. For example to can applesauce you just cook, pour in a jar and water bath process. Home glass jar canning does not involve preservatives.

    29. Re:Disruptive? by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      Then "electrification" instead of electricity. Both my parents were raised in houses that didn't have electricity. It wasn't as long ago when the REA was changing lives. The REA started in 1935, because the US trailed the (industrialized) world in rural electrification. Yes, my parents are old and born in rural areas.

    30. Re:Disruptive? by meadow · · Score: 1

      Sadly too stomach cancer rates are higher in countries like Japan where pickled items are still enjoyed by a large percentage of the population.

    31. Re:Disruptive? by godel_56 · · Score: 1

      Actually, with regard to pickling, it is ONLY to get rid of and protect against BAD micros. There are plenty of good gut bacteria grown and and promoted by pickled foods, if you're talking about natural fermentation pickling like with kraut, kimchee, cucumber pickles. You can actually replenish your good gut bacteria with these foods after you might lose them due to having to take antibiotics for an illness.

      Sure there is some salt, but you only have to do enough of a ratio to ensure that the healthy bacteria are able to culture and ferment you food with the acid by products and CO2.

      "Kimchi, which is allegedly believed to have anti-carcinogenic properties, accounts for approximately 20% of sodium intake. Case-control studies on the intake level of kimchi and gastric [and esophageal ]cancer risk generally showed an increased risk among subjects with high or frequent intakes of kimchi."

      In a doco I saw this was blamed on carcinogenic nitrosamines caused by the fermentation breakdown of proteins. It was suggested that more vitamin C with the meal would help neutralize them

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3204471/

    32. Re:Disruptive? by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      Toilets, most people in the 1st world.

      By toilet you mean hole in the ground, or spetic tank maybe? The modern, inside flushable toilet connected to a mains sewer only became mainstream after the war. My parents who were kids in the 40's and 50's still remember having to shit in an 'outhouse'.

      Electricity is more recent, many rural areas didn't get that until the 1960s, and running water in rural areas depends on pumps and often came with electricity,

      along with toilets.

      in cities running water goes back to the Ancient rome.

      They also had toilets, but I don't think that really counts.

    33. Re:Disruptive? by Krakadoom · · Score: 1

      Neither salt nor preservatives are inherently bad. First, preservatives could be pretty much anything, including a lot of natural substances with no harmful effects, eg. vinegar. Second, there is increasing evidence that the demonizing of salt is ill-founded. Each person likely has a different salt requirement to function optimally and the links to high blood pressure and other cardiovascular issues are based on questionable studies some of which have already been disproven.

      So my question is really, what was your point?

    34. Re:Disruptive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Smoking = carcinogens

      Pickling = excessive salt

      Canning = Preservatives

      Refrigeration = lower temperature

      I choose refrigeration .

      Pickling rarely contains excessive salt. It's not required in a vinegar solution and it wiould make the food inedibly salty anyways. Salted preservation is best for pork and other foods that need a truly sterile technique.
      Re: preservatives - they aren't required in canning and they certainly were never used ibefore the fridge became commonplace. Canning usually included peppers vitamin C or other herbs and spices that were naturally effective preservatives. Frankly I don't even know of ANY harmful effects from butylated hydroxy toluene.. to *us* anyways. It's pretty harmful to retroviruses. It's used in medicine to treat herpes and HIV.. That's BHT however. Don't know about BHA.
      Refrigeration just lets the bugs in the food grow a bit slower is all. That's why we always get "stinky fridge" after a month or so. Deep freezing is the only effective way of preserving meats other than the three mentioned. And definitely better than smoking - although I love the smell of all the yummy hydrocarbons ;-)

    35. Re:Disruptive? by mike4ty4 · · Score: 1

      What's so butt-sex stupid is just how much higher the price-point on those diets is compared to the junk ones, often pricing them out of the range of those who need them the most -- the poor and lower classes who cannot afford expensive treatment and so for whom prevention is paramount. 200 years ago, the "good" diets were all you could get (at least insofar as food types were concerned, not everyone could necessarily get the right food amounts so there was malnutrition in many places). Yet all the "junk" stuff which takes more steps between the ground and the consumer costs less.

    36. Re:Disruptive? by cwsumner · · Score: 1

      Many people still have septic tank systems, but they also have indoor flush toilets. Connecting to city sewer is a different question and is only really needed in the cities.

      Water pumps don't have to be electric, what do you think all of those windmills out west did? 8-)

      By the way, running water is not the same as sewer systems. Some had one without the other.

  2. Taco Bell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing has caused more 'disruption'....

    1. Re:Taco Bell by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      There are alternatives to Taco Bellyache

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  3. Stupid clickbait headline by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Most Disruptive Technology of the Last 100 Years Isn't What You Think

    Don't tell me what I think. You don't know what I think.

    You don't want to know what I think.

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    1. Re:Stupid clickbait headline by Flavianoep · · Score: 1

      The must be trying the clickbait generator.

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    2. Re:Stupid clickbait headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't want to know what I think.

      Is it buttplugs? Because that's what I think!

    3. Re:Stupid clickbait headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You don't want to know what I think.

      Is it buttplugs? Because that's what I think!

      In what way are butt plugs disruptive?

    4. Re:Stupid clickbait headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are not claiming they know what you think. They are just saying that something is something else than what you think.

      something != your_thought

    5. Re:Stupid clickbait headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Most Disruptive Technology of the Last 100 Years Isn't What You Think

      Don't tell me what I think. You don't know what I think.

      You don't want to know what I think.

      Now you're just being disruptive.

    6. Re:Stupid clickbait headline by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

      So just how do they know I wasn't thinking of refrigerators?

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    7. Re:Stupid clickbait headline by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

      I'm also very cool, and that's why they call me Fridge.

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    8. Re:Stupid clickbait headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, were you?

    9. Re: Stupid clickbait headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Surely, you jest. In what way are butt plugs not disruptive? Let me count the ways....

      And...I've got nothin'

    10. Re:Stupid clickbait headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Most Disruptive Technology of the Last 100 Years Isn't What You Think

      Don't tell me what I think. You don't know what I think.

      You don't want to know what I think.

      Wanna know what I think?

      I think you're a dick.

    11. Re:Stupid clickbait headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wanna know what I think?

      Not really, no. But you don't care about that, so why ask in the first place?

    12. Re:Stupid clickbait headline by maharvey · · Score: 1

      They disrupt the... um, let's just say ain't nothing flowing out of a plugged orifice!

    13. Re:Stupid clickbait headline by davester666 · · Score: 1

      leave one in for a couple of days and see if anything is disrupted.

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    14. Re:Stupid clickbait headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In what way are butt plugs disruptive?

      Trust me, you don't want to know. If you have to even ask this question the answer will certainly make you freak out.

    15. Re:Stupid clickbait headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you in the habit of answering rhetorical questions? (Please note: this one is not rhetorical.)

  4. Wrong! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Electrification!

    1. Re:Wrong! by jellomizer · · Score: 0

      That is over a hundred years ago, grandpa.

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    2. Re:Wrong! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      I came across an old Victorian in Silicon Valley that was originally wired for 12V DC and later 120V AC. The owner revamped the 12V DC wiring to run a CB radio from his living room and old car radios in the other rooms, running the antenna wire out nearest window to the roof.

    3. Re:Wrong! by operagost · · Score: 1

      Electricity was common in the cities and most towns by 1915. Such was not the case in rural America until the 1940s, but it certainly wasn't as "disruptive" there as it had been in the cities.

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    4. Re:Wrong! by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Then why was the REA founded about 80 years ago because electrification was going so slowly?

    5. Re:Wrong! by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      The REA was founded as part of the growing trend of the government to extend its grasp at every opportunity. By making it easier for the small, remote farm to remain at the edge of economic viability, the REA extended the time small farmers lived in poverty, while reducing the economic viability of those taxpayers who actually paid for the REA. TANSTAAFL.

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  5. Some of us carry on the tradition by Bohnanza · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...and continue to consume great quantities of cheese, whiskey and hard cider.

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    1. Re:Some of us carry on the tradition by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Indeed, kicking it old school ... throw in the odd pickled egg, smoked meat, and ketchup and you can be a foodie.

      They say that like it's a bad thing.

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    2. Re:Some of us carry on the tradition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, Blessed are the cheesemakers

    3. Re:Some of us carry on the tradition by Daetrin · · Score: 1

      We choose to consume cheese in this decade and consume the other things, not because they are necessary, but because they are awesome!

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    4. Re:Some of us carry on the tradition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gastric cancer is the second leading cause of death by cancer in the world, and is highly correlated with a diet high in salted, pickled and smoked foods. In the US it's 14th; rates came down in almost a perfect inverse of the adoption of refrigerators.

  6. Gender roles in society by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Yes the advent of white goods and decrease in the need for manual labour had a million times more to do with changing gender roles in western societies than feminism ever did.

    1. Re:Gender roles in society by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      It was a major factor. The Separate but equal concept that men did the work outside the home and woman did the work inside. Held true for thousands of years, because there was enough work inside the home to keep someone busy full time.
      Then when we got such appliances that cut the jobs down, so women had more free time, which allowed them to focus on other activities outside the home, and such activities wasn't about pleasing her man, like the advertisements stated.

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    2. Re:Gender roles in society by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Women have always worked outside the home, when work was available. Single women especially. Mid 19th century economies benefitted greatly from women producing linen in many countries for example.

    3. Re:Gender roles in society by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haha no. I come from a rich family with generations of housekeepers doing the domestic work, and gender roles were still clear.

      White goods mean less housework for members of the household, but they don't have anything to do with why women specifically were stuck in the home.

    4. Re:Gender roles in society by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love how in this example, the only major axis of equality that women should care about is gender roles, and whether they have to stay at home canning food all day. Nothing to do with votes, wages, marital rape, or any of that boring stuff. Nope, once women got fridges, they could go into the world and do everything they couldn't before!

    5. Re:Gender roles in society by invid · · Score: 1

      There is also the factor of domestic help. Prior to the 20th century, if you were middle class you needed to have a number of full time domestic servants, such as a maid and stable hand. This is still the case in much of the 3rd world (the stable hand being replaced by a driver).

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    6. Re:Gender roles in society by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      Yes the advent of white goods and decrease in the need for manual labour had a million times more to do with changing gender roles in western societies than feminism ever did.

      My fridge helped get women the vote. True story.

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    7. Re:Gender roles in society by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There's nothing good about your post, nothing defensible.

    8. Re:Gender roles in society by hendrips · · Score: 2

      This is a common misconception. The "separate spheres" theory of gender roles, which you aptly refer to as "separate but equal," is really a product of the 19th century. Prior to that time, the vast majority of people didn't have the economic resources for that kind of segregation. At planting and harvest time especially, everyone was in the field pretty much equally. Of course there was some division of labor by gender, but not anything like what was seen in the 19th century. Gender segregation, and rigidly defined gender roles, were luxuries for the rich. The 19th century was somewhat unique because there was enough material prosperity that a large proportion of families could afford this "luxury," but not enough prosperity to start freeing women from full time household drudgery.

      On a side note, I don't have much love for third-wave feminists, but I think they do have a point that our perceptions of gender roles are very heavily skewed towards the upper and middle-class perspective, especially when looking back at historical accounts. I always found it strange in history class that when the American feminist movement was covered, the experience of women in the 40's and 50's didn't resemble the life that either of my grandmothers lived very much. The women in the history books were all upper/middle class, whereas one of my grandmothers was a riveter, and the other worked as a farm-hand before scraping together enough money to train to be a secretary. Both married in their late thirties after living on their own for 15-20 years. Not working, or being dependent on/subservient to a man, was not an option for them.

    9. Re:Gender roles in society by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is all apparently easily sourceable fact, and yet I can't source any of it, and your post is suspiciously lacking in them too. It's almost like it's wall-to-wall bullshit?

    10. Re:Gender roles in society by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      What is this draft of which you speak?

      Are you talking about conscription in the army? My country doesn't have conscription at the moment, but in the past, women have been subject to conscription.

      And seriously, I've heard this come up before. What is this obsession with military service and voting? Been reading too much "starship troopers" again?

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    11. Re:Gender roles in society by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only defense for facts is accuracy. You challenge the accurac?

      Similarly, good or bad is a value judgement,and in this case yours.

      Stay anonymous. It suits you.

    12. Re:Gender roles in society by _merlin · · Score: 1

      The issue they're talking about is that feminists have a history of only wanting equality when it benefits them. For example in the US, women successfully obtained the right to vote without the responsibility of being eligible for conscription. Yes, the US is not the entire world. You can agree or disagree about whether this is a desirable situation, etc.

    13. Re:Gender roles in society by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      The issue they're talking about is that feminists have a history of only wanting equality when it benefits them.

      Perhaps if you get your feminism from Tumblr, then yes. Tumblr is not representative of the wider world.

      For example in the US, women successfully obtained the right to vote without the responsibility of being eligible for conscription.

      No one is being constripted in the US. So that's more than a slightly moot point. At the moment it's women getting the right to vote without the responsibility of some theoretical risk which could easily change with the stroke of a pen and has no practical bearing on anything.

      . Yes, the US is not the entire world.

      No it's not. In my country last time conscription happened, women were conscripted too.

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    14. Re:Gender roles in society by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      There was recently a viral video where a professional football player was beating up his wife in an elevator. It turned out that SHE started it and did so in a very public place. The only part of the fight that made it into the press is when the guy fought back.

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    15. Re:Gender roles in society by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > No one is being constripted in the US. So that's more than a slightly moot point.

      No it isn't. This is more about today and right now.

      The last draft was not that long ago in the US. There was a good half century where women had the vote but were exempt from the draft.

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    16. Re:Gender roles in society by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      No it isn't. This is more about today and right now.

      Well done on failing to read my post and stopping at the first line. *clap* *clap* *clap*.

      Yes it is: no one's being drafted and women could be subject to the draft with a simple law change.

      Second, that doesn't apply in my country. The last conscription was WWII and women were conscripted too.

      Besides, the logic of the grandparent is all sorts of stupid, because there are all sorts of exemptions from conscription.

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      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    17. Re:Gender roles in society by david_thornley · · Score: 2

      Different people who consider themselves feminists think differently. I had a female high school friend who said I should be happy that half the population was exempt from the draft, and refused to consider that this meant that men were twice as likely to be drafted than if it were sex-neutral. My wife, on the other hand, sent in her draft registration, which was refused because she was of course female. (Guess who I had the more respect for.)

      I don't see why the right to vote is necessarily tied up with conscription. When women got the vote, they were neither legally nor socially equal to men in other ways. That came much later, much of it after the last man had been drafted.

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    18. Re:Gender roles in society by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      When you outweigh someone by 2 or 3 times you are not allowed to hit them back. You father should have explained this to you. The most you can do is restrain their hands or leave.

      --
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    19. Re:Gender roles in society by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      You use the phrase "value judgement" as if it were subjective.

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    20. Re:Gender roles in society by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      http://www.theguardian.com/society/2010/sep/05/men-victims-domestic-violence Roughly 40% of domestic violence victims are male.

      Many men are taught that it's always wrong to strike a woman, even in self defense. There exist women who take advantage of that.

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    21. Re:Gender roles in society by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      In the US, males turning 18 are required by law to register for the military draft, even though nobody is currently being drafted.

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    22. Re:Gender roles in society by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they didn't want one section of society to have a disproporitonately powerful voice.

      Uhm, that's funny. They didn't want one section of society to have a disproportionately powerful voice. Yet, only a few years before,
      the voice of the male's section of society was infinitely powerfuler than the women's section.

    23. Re:Gender roles in society by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      I've always said I'd sue for sexual discrimination if I were drafted.

      Though in the past, I remember replies said that it was tried and failed, though I don't know if it is true.

  7. the most disruptive tech of mankind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    is fire .. eating raw meat .. munching forever .. strong digestion .. its all gone.. sniff ..

    1. Re:the most disruptive tech of mankind by KGIII · · Score: 1

      That's all well and good but that discovery (invention?) was a great deal further away then the imposed limit of 100 years. It's off by more than an order of magnitude. Probably even two orders. I'm guessing we'd discovered and used fire back then. I've seen a few documentaries but I don't recall the dates given.

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  8. Truly disruptive by chrism238 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The contraceptive pill.
    It's saved trillions of dollars, saved trillions of hours of work, reduced poverty, childhood deaths, and the threat of countries being invaded for their land.

    1. Re:Truly disruptive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      It's odd how a certain kind of mindset instantly equates children to poverty and misery, and inexplicably in this case, war.

    2. Re:Truly disruptive by serviscope_minor · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's saved trillions of dollars, saved trillions of hours of work, reduced poverty, childhood deaths, and the threat of countries being invaded for their land.

      It also rendered obsolete massive amounts of social convention. We're still working on purging those obsolete ones from the system of society, it seems.

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    3. Re:Truly disruptive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Holy straw man! I'm pretty sure people still have children, but what the Pill has stopped is pregnancy as a likely consequence of sex. Overpopulation causes all of the above.

    4. Re:Truly disruptive by BitZtream · · Score: 3, Interesting

      ... except the places where that is most true and would apply if they used the pill ... don't use the pill.

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    5. Re:Truly disruptive by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In general a larger population is better for the economy. It is just most of us think of an economy as something in a fixed supply. So more people will just mean more jobs that are filled and less for others. That isn't true, as the population grows the economy will grow to meet the increased demand, by matching its increased supply of workforce.
      The problem is our culture has values that are in conflict with itself. If someone has a child outside of wedlock we still have them considered as an outcast, and prefer not to give them or their child extra assistance, because "She shouldn't have done the act"
      This was less of an issue in the older days, as people got married at a younger age, and often had a tight family structure to cover up such shame, such as the 40 year old grandmother, saying it is her child. In this modern age, we need to realize that people are getting married much later in life, this causes us much more time to avoid our natural urges, which causes a lot more failures.
      Contraceptive is one part of the problem. Allowing the family to plan when they have a child, but the bigger cultural issue is still at play.

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      If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
    6. Re:Truly disruptive by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      People wanting sex get way too many kids, so they can't feed them? See how it works for poverty?

      Exercise left for the reader: Do the same logic to see how a massive amount of hungry people can lead to a war.

    7. Re:Truly disruptive by trout007 · · Score: 0

      The effect on the economy was only for a short period and we are reaping the costs now in the US. First came the Baby Boom of the 50's then the Pill in the 60's and women entering workforce in the 80's. All of those were huge booms to the economy because more people working less receiving benefits. Now those people are retiring and haven't had enough children to pay for all of the benefits they vote for themselves. So now we are in a decade long depression.

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    8. Re:Truly disruptive by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Children don't cause any of those things. Not until they grow up and become people.

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    9. Re:Truly disruptive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Strangely, a girl I work with has 6 kids.

      She makes about $40k, as well as her husband.

      When asked how she can afford it, she stated "kids aren't as expensive as you think, and each one gets progressively cheaper".

    10. Re:Truly disruptive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... The contraceptive pill.

      The cause of pregnancy was well known, if government wanted to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies, it would have implemented a policy more active than societal shame and a lack of sex education. The government could have supplied subsidized condoms, like they do with oral contraceptives. No, what really changed was contraception went from being a male responsibility to a female responsibility: A woman no longer had to depend on a man fumbling in the dark (strange how feminism never tackled this lack of independence), or worry that contraception was ignored because it interfered with his sexual comfort.

      But mostly contraception became popular because the social structure was being re-defined. First by anti-biotics: With a declining mortality rate, there was a need to limit the number of babies being produced. Second was the US economic boom of the 1950s: The much-vaunted good life was limited to white Christian males but other community groups, such as the American blacks, the poor, the single women, wanted their communities to enjoy wealth and freedom too. Third was sexuality: The Kinsey study of abnormal sexuality showed the moral majority was wrong about what people, and specifically women, enjoyed. Then the Masters and Johnson study showed what married people did. Sexual behaviours in general, became a little less hidden.

    11. Re:Truly disruptive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, the pill was truly disruptive, because before it there was absolutely no method of contraception.

    12. Re:Truly disruptive by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      My grandmother had ten kids. The first one when she was 16 and the last one when she was 50. Spaced out so far apart, she only had five kids in the house at any given time. She had a farm and the kids helped out with the chores. If they didn't, the belt came out. Even her prize-winning bull was afraid of her when she brought the belt out.

    13. Re:Truly disruptive by Sique · · Score: 1
      Statistically speaking, it wasn't the pill itself, it was the society in which the pill got introduced.

      While the availability of the pill was at about the same time in most Western countries, the strong decline in birthrates that is often associated with the contraceptive pill was setting in at very different times. In the U.S., birth rates were already declining before the pill got introduced, in West Germany, the birth rates were still rising until about five years after the introduction of the pill.

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    14. Re:Truly disruptive by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 2

      Depends. As long as the size of your population is less than the number of people that your environment can sustain you will be ok. But at the moment that your population grow more than the capacity of the environment to sustain it, you're screwed (And I find disturbing how every single economist miserably fails to understand this).

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    15. Re:Truly disruptive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Children don't cause any of those things. Not until they grow up and become people.

      They incorporate?

    16. Re:Truly disruptive by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Because the environment can sustain a larger population. However changes are needed on how we use the environment. We can feed the world, but we are not giving that a priority. We can get clean energy.

      They don't fail to understand it, they factor it in, and realize with some tweaks to how we use the environment it can sustain a much larger population.

      Ancient cities use to collapse when their population hit about 1 million people. The environment couldn't handle it, Today we can handle 20 - 30 million people a city. Because we are more efficient at handling the environment, Indoor plumbing, electricity, steel construction. Help put a large population in one place survive and thrive.

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    17. Re:Truly disruptive by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 2

      Except there are things in fixed supplies. Land for one thing. Imagine another 100,000 people in San Francisco and it's impact on housing prices. Or another 250,000. How about another 1M in Toronto? I know that we are going to get those people added there one day but the longer it takes to get there the more time we have to figure out ways to better deal with those numbers in an environmentally friendly manner and in a way that people can, hopefully, afford. Right now it's very difficult to life in a larger city because of the cost but that's where the jobs are. More people in the cities would just make living in them even more expensive.

      The ever expanding economy is an old way of thinking which has brought us the environmental problems of today. It can't just be growth, growth, growth.

    18. Re:Truly disruptive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The real issue is the implied role of society to provide for those children when their parents can't.

    19. Re:Truly disruptive by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      Land, we can build up, also the United States is 50th in population density. We have room if you are willing to think outside of your little coastal city. As land is in higher demand prices go up, so the population learns to live with less of it. I like my space, so I moved out of the city, where I can have my space, however it is far from many services.

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      If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
    20. Re:Truly disruptive by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 2

      A female friend from college has five kids on a single $62k/year income (hers) with a stay at home husband. They are doing very well and own a couple of income properties.

    21. Re:Truly disruptive by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      Razor strap :)

    22. Re:Truly disruptive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So a family can survive in $80,000 a year? Wow. You have no clue how the rest of the world lives. Some families of 6 live in less than $1000 per year. Kids are expensive, but First World people have no idea what the rest of the world lives on.

    23. Re:Truly disruptive by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      I incorporated a few times. Cost $35 for the filing fee.

    24. Re:Truly disruptive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      saved trillions of hours of work

      ARBEIT MACHT FREI

    25. Re:Truly disruptive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yo, dumbshit-

      If you are talking elsewhere in the world, having more kids means more hands to work, which means an improved standard of living, and that tapers off as you move to an industrialized society. And as others have already pointed out, reliable birth control has only impacted the west. And apparently the cost of raising kids in the west isn't as much as supposed.

      To conflate western and non-western societies when it is clear only one was being discussed is just disingenuous, but your outrage quota has been filled for the day.

      Carry on.

    26. Re:Truly disruptive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You obviously haven't locked horns with el Capitans new security system....

    27. Re:Truly disruptive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (I cant tell if you are being sarcastic or serious)

      Contraception goes back at least to 4000BCE

      The Egyptians had working vaginally inserted contraception. There was a plant during Roman times that worked so well the plant is extinct! For many 1000's of years a tied off sausage casing (Pig intestine lining) was used as a condom. In the 1500's there were sheep skin condoms. The list goes on and on!

      My guess is that it goes back 100's of thousands of years. What we do know is only what was written about after the invention of writing.

      We as a species learned early how to have sex and stop pregnancy.

    28. Re:Truly disruptive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      may want to ask india and china about that.

      no, you maybe don't want to fall below replacement values.
      but neither do you want to have 20 kids be the norm.

    29. Re:Truly disruptive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My dad's mom had 19 children. Two died in infancy or a birth,depending on which story you hear. She had more than 10 children in the household for a long time.

      Other interesting things:

      - She had more than four children in the military for over 25 years.
      - For most of WWI she had more than five in combat, and two daughters serving as nurses stateside.
      - She had multiple children in every theater in WWII.
      - One of her children retired from the Army before another enlisted in the Marines.
      - None of her children died in war.
      - After the sixth child, my grandfather took to sleeping in the sawmill he built and operated.
      - Most of my uncles and aunts birthdays are in the spring.

      My mom had five children. When she sent my youngest sister to kindergarten, she tells me she she sat down at the kitchen table and realized that for the first time in ten years she was alone and not taking a bath. Life was different back then.

    30. Re:Truly disruptive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So a family can survive in $80,000 a year? Wow. You have no clue how the rest of the world lives. Some families of 6 live in less than $1000 per year. Kids are expensive, but First World people have no idea what the rest of the world lives on.

      The rest of the world doesn't have a $1500 escrowed mortgage payment (for a reasonably sized home), $600 in car expenses (including gas and insurance) and $300 in utilities. Throw on entertainment/communication $250 (tv, internet, phone). You're looking at about half of their salary before you even get into food, college loans and anything else.

      (BTW I lived in Brazil for a few years on $150 reais a month or roughly $75 dollars, so I know a thing or two about scraping by in another country)

    31. Re:Truly disruptive by avandesande · · Score: 2

      The problem is that infinite growth is not possible over the long run and the earth has finite resources. Unfortunately our economic and political system demands it- deflation is considered unacceptable.

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    32. Re:Truly disruptive by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Being honest society would be a lot better off if thirsty old hatemongers such as yourself were purged, serviscope_minor.

      I have a nice cup of coffee at my side, so I can assure you I'm not thirsty.

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      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    33. Re:Truly disruptive by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Building up is terribly expensive. See New York or any other city where high rise (non-tenements) are commonplace.

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      A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
    34. Re:Truly disruptive by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      You DO realize why Western Nations are being invaded with local governmental endorsement, right? Right?!! Yeah, that's what happens when the local birth rate of the native population drops to zero. If you're not replenishing the ranks from within due to an aging population, than the ranks will be filled from external sources. Please see America, and the EU. And Russia is facing a huge problem with population decline.

      So saved trillions of dollars? By what metric?? It's hard to say that when baby-factory 3rd world nations fill the vacuum left by Western Nations adopting the contraceptive pill.

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    35. Re:Truly disruptive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but judging by the number of hours saved by the refrigerator, it seems like the refrigerator was what finally allowed women to get out of the kitchen.

      That's pretty disruptive.

    36. Re:Truly disruptive by laie_techie · · Score: 1

      So a family can survive in $80,000 a year? Wow. You have no clue how the rest of the world lives. Some families of 6 live in less than $1000 per year. Kids are expensive, but First World people have no idea what the rest of the world lives on.

      The rest of the world doesn't have a $1500 escrowed mortgage payment (for a reasonably sized home), $600 in car expenses (including gas and insurance) and $300 in utilities. Throw on entertainment/communication $250 (tv, internet, phone). You're looking at about half of their salary before you even get into food, college loans and anything else.

      (BTW I lived in Brazil for a few years on $150 reais a month or roughly $75 dollars, so I know a thing or two about scraping by in another country)

      Every person that brings up third world workers earning US$1000 per year really has no clue. You must compare income to cost of living in the same location. I spent two years in Brazil as a missionary for my Church back in the 1990s. The currency of Brazil is the real (plural is reais). As missionaries, we donate a set amount based on where we are from (missionaries from the US paid US$350 / month back then) and receive an allowance based on the cost of living where we serve - generally minimum wage. I received R$150 / month (approximately US$150 / month) which was to cover food, clothing, transportation, and utilities (rent was paid before we got our mesada). Today US$1.00 is worth approximately R$4.00 (changes daily) and minimum wage is R$800 / month. Gasoline costs R$4 / liter, so most Brazilians walk or use public transportation. You can rent a modest home in many cities for R$200 / month. One of the biggest problem in Brazil is that people use credit cards for survival necessities like food, so they are never economically free.

    37. Re:Truly disruptive by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      And if everyone continues to want their space as many seem to do in the US and Canada then we have urban sprawl which brings traffic, pollution, wasted time, lots of pavement, huge costs to provide infrastructure, etc.

      How's that building up working in San Francisco? I know that in Toronto there are lots of condos being built but it doesn't seem to have slowed the rate of sprawl any.

    38. Re:Truly disruptive by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      If 'they' are willing to pay the price to live there, what business is it of ours?

      Granting I wish 'they' would return the courtesy.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    39. Re:Truly disruptive by laie_techie · · Score: 2

      Land, we can build up, also the United States is 50th in population density. We have room if you are willing to think outside of your little coastal city. As land is in higher demand prices go up, so the population learns to live with less of it. I like my space, so I moved out of the city, where I can have my space, however it is far from many services.

      The US has huge tracts of desert. California is in a pickle because their cities have outgrown the available water supply. How many people would want to endure Death Valley's extreme summer heat? How many could survive the artic deserts of Alaska?

    40. Re:Truly disruptive by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Depends. As long as the size of your population is less than the number of people that your environment can sustain you will be ok. But at the moment that your population grow more than the capacity of the environment to sustain it, you're screwed (And I find disturbing how every single economist miserably fails to understand this).

      Those ideas aren't exactly new, the most famous proponent was Thomas Malthus in 1779. However, it turns out we're quite creative at expanding the apparent natural resources so at least in agriculture the peak and crash never came. And for the last decade we've actually reached somewhat of an equilibrium in child births, the world population is growing because people live longer but it's not in massive exponential graph as it was through most of the 20th century so we're not going to swarm the planet to death. What remains now is whether we're running out of one-time resources like natural oil and gas (we are) and can convert to renewable resources (we might). Electric cars are a good example, sure they're not winning the market by a landslide but if oil cost $1000/galleon tomorrow most people would find a way to make them work. It's not like we'd be back at horse and carriage. With China and India making great strides if we get Sub-Saharan Africa out of extreme poverty world population might actually decrease lowering the pressure, naturally.

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    41. Re:Truly disruptive by Zak3056 · · Score: 1

      We can feed the world, but we are not giving that a priority.

      This is not an environmental problem. Modern farming is EASILY capable of feeding everyone on earth without changing a damn thing. In fact, we probably already produce enough produce (no pun intended) to do so today, again without changing anything on the production side.

      The problem is distribution and politics. If you are converting maize into fuel for vehicles, you obviously cannot feed that to a hungry person. In areas with famine, the nations of the world (especially the west, but definitely NOT limited to us) send STAGGERING amounts of relief supplies. However, most of the food ends up not getting into the hands of people who need it because it is diverted for "other" uses, be it by governments or warlords.

      So on THAT point, don't blame the economists. Blame humans in general.

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    42. Re:Truly disruptive by sjames · · Score: 1

      Imagine if you had literally no choice but to live is a tiny apartment. Some people like living in a high population density. Others in that environment will slowly go insane from the stress.

    43. Re:Truly disruptive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows 3.1 had nothing on DOS 4 for disruption!

    44. Re:Truly disruptive by xevioso · · Score: 1

      Pretty good, actually. We have lots of new high rises here being built or in the final stages that are entirely devoted to housing.

    45. Re:Truly disruptive by mister_playboy · · Score: 1

      One of the biggest problem in Brazil is that people use credit cards for survival necessities like food, so they are never economically free.

      This isn't really down to individual choice, it's systematically encouraged by modern money supply flows. A significant number of people not being in debt would entirely disrupt the current system.

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    46. Re:Truly disruptive by mister_playboy · · Score: 1

      This isn't how it works. People move to where there is economic opportunity and business interests that pay wages encourage this because it increases job competition and lowers average compensation.

      Places like San Francisco are certainly not underpopulated, but people move their seeking economic benefit.

      Neoliberalism is the link that combines all the countries experiencing influx together, not contraception.

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    47. Re:Truly disruptive by laie_techie · · Score: 1

      One of the biggest problem in Brazil is that people use credit cards for survival necessities like food, so they are never economically free.

      This isn't really down to individual choice, it's systematically encouraged by modern money supply flows. A significant number of people not being in debt would entirely disrupt the current system.

      As my wife is Brazilian, I am aware that living off credit cards (and store credit) there isn't always a choice, but often is a necessity. Inflation is off the charts, so people spend their money the same week they get it. As an example, I saw the cost of most goods double from 2012 to 2015.

    48. Re:Truly disruptive by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      War is caused by people who want war for reasons other than population pressure (generally power lust, religious zealotry, of generalized malice). Mere population pressure (mostly inadequate food) causes people to either trade for food or move to where the food is.

      The consequences of overpopulation affect individuals, and individuals respond by commerce, fleeing, theft, or dying. Governments engage in war, not individuals per se.

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    49. Re:Truly disruptive by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      A significant number of people not being in debt would entirely disrupt the current system.

      That is a fallacy promoted by people who profit by people being in debt, such as credit card transaction processors, some bankers, some politicians. Ending high debt levels would put many of those who profit out of business, forcing them into another (possibly honest and/or productive) line of work. Those newly out of debt would be financially and mentally healthier, and more able to do productive things with their lives. The disruption would be minor and almost completely beneficial.

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    50. Re:Truly disruptive by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      California's water supply issues are mostly political.

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    51. Re:Truly disruptive by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Although age demographics are contributing to economic stress, it's political cockups that are the root cause of the continuing depression. Reduce taxes, reduce benefits for not working, reduce restrictions on business activity, cut the government bureaucracy by 80% and the economy will grow at a startling rate.

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    52. Re:Truly disruptive by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Second was the US economic boom of the 1950s: The much-vaunted good life was limited to white Christian males but other community groups, such as the American blacks, the poor, the single women, wanted their communities to enjoy wealth and freedom too.

      So many errors .... In the 1950-1960s, Americans in general did well, regardless of race or religion or lack thereof. Asians and Jews did very well, in large part because of their superior intelligence and superior work ethic. Blacks, although somewhat behind economically, were gaining ground and continued to do so until "The Great Society" (a leftist program) took effect. Families did well. Single women could find honest work, and most of them looked forward to marriage and the advantages gained thereby. The poor, of course, were not doing well, but that's a tautology: it's saying that those who were not doing well were not doing well. Duh!

      Kinsey was a pervert and his axe-grinding study was biased in many ways including cherry-picking - no pun intended.

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    53. Re:Truly disruptive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US has huge tracts of desert. California is in a pickle because their cities have outgrown the available water supply. How many people would want to endure Death Valley's extreme summer heat? How many could survive the artic deserts of Alaska

      California's water supply issues are mostly political.

      That's not even remotely true. Go read a book on this, perhaps Cadillac Desert. The natural water supply in the region does not even remotely support the current population or the agriculture: it couldn't support either one in isolation, let alone both.

      It is possible to capture more water by building more reservoirs, but that does huge environmental damage, plus the reservoirs will eventually silt up, almost certainly within a few generations. Along the way, you would destroy the scenic beauty of the landscape. The USA already has far too many dams (over 50k).

      There is also a big problem with salts and other unwanted chemicals flowing into the reservoirs. Huge amounts of water flow into the reservoirs from the mountains, washing minerals naturally found in mountain rock into the reservoirs (along with any chemicals human agencies put into the water, such as fertilizer from farms upstream), then evaporation frees up a lot of the water, leaving the chemicals behind. This can make the water unusable for farming without additional processing, and also kills a lot of wildlife.

      It is also possible to bring water in remotely from the Northern USA or Canada, but that will do environmental damage to the region where it is being removed from, plus it requires running massive pipes across or under some of the most rugged terrain on earth. Aside from any human threats to the pipes, the geological threat of earthquakes makes that a very difficult and probably impractical engineering problem. Just maintaining the pipes will be staggeringly expensive (and California is already failing to do required maintenance on their water infrastructure, so the ruling political elements can lie to the public about having a "budget surplus": a government that in actuality is massively in debt can't afford to pay for additional maintenance on a huge new public works project, even if they could fund it in the first place!).

      Further, enormous amounts of power would have to be generated to pump the water, requiring lots of new power stations, probably nuclear, with all the potential problems that poses.

      The politicians would love to have a massive project to bring money to California, since the big pot of money required would provide all sorts of opportunities for the corruption that is the norm in high level government.

      There is some potential for re-use of existing water, but that too is enormously expensive. It requires laying new pipes to every residence, plus all the infrastructure needed to control, monitor, and maintain the water flow. There is an environmental cost to doing this as well, since the material for those pipes has to come from somewhere, and doubtless isn't being produced without some harm to something in the environment.

      There are political aspects to all of this (there are political aspects to anything human beings do when two or more persons are involved), but the problems themselves are not fundamentally political in nature.

      The political problems with water are, of course, quite significant in themselves. Many of the farms in California (often farms owned by big pharmaceutical and oil companies) are already receiving water at far below the cost it takes to deliver the water (i.e. these big corporate owners are getting a subsidy), and that further complicates things. Also, there are aspects of the legal system in California and other places, such as senior water rights, that involve unethical practice of law and violations of fundamental rights arising under the 9th/10th Amendments, which means there are serious problems in law also affecting this issue (see previous discussions on Slashdot).

  9. I don't know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    the atom bomb was still pretty disruptive.

  10. It's the aeroplane by GrahamCox · · Score: 1

    Aeroplanes. The use of aircraft in war has basically driven every other development, refrigerators included.

    1. Re: It's the aeroplane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Airplanes were invented more than 100 years ago.

    2. Re:It's the aeroplane by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      I think it's the diesel powered delivery truck. If it wasn't for that you wouldn't have gotten all of your fancy stuff to your home in an efficient manner, including your refrigerators.

    3. Re: It's the aeroplane by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 2

      So were refrigerators.

    4. Re:It's the aeroplane by sudon't · · Score: 1

      Well, the automobile, in general, really changed the World. But you're right in thinking people don't realize how deeply trucking affects our lives. Literally everything we own was delivered by truck, in whole or in part, from the houses we live in, to every object within the house, from the clothes on our backs, to the food we eat.

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    5. Re:It's the aeroplane by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Until the late 1950s the railroad network was surprisingly extensive. Delivery trucks were for the last 10 miles

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    6. Re:It's the aeroplane by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      Yes, it was the shipping container that changed this. I read a book about the history of the shipping container and it was pretty good. I can't remember the author but I think the title of the book was simply called "The Box". Actually the shipping container might actually be one of the most disruptive technologies of the past 100 years. It drove down the cost of shipping from being the highest component to one of the lowest. It's the reason we can now send things half-ways around the world to be processed and then brought back to be sold. Major cities used to have manufacturing areas near the ports because delivery to the ships was expensive but the container changed that so the manufacturers could move out of the city to cheaper land. It radically transformed cities. At one time ships were mostly loaded by hand or cranes lifted nets filled with goods. It was labour intensive, took a long time, and items were prone to be stolen. The goods were then put into warehouses and then hand loaded onto trucks or trains. Now a ship can be unloaded and loaded in a day.

      Trains got started more in the 1800s so weren't disruptive in the past 100 years. I love trains though. I wish we would use them more as they are more efficient and would get a lot of the trucks off the highways. I've come out of Toronto at night and for most part the traffic is trucks heading out of the city.

  11. Stop with the Crapper myth! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    He did not invent the flushing toilet. Even the bloody link in the OP's click-bait "article" points this out.

    1. Re:Stop with the Crapper myth! by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 1

      But a flush toilet is still quite disruptive. It causes a lot of pollution, and breaks the circle of agriculture (the manure is used to pollute the seas instead of to feed the new crops). A decent compost toilet kills diseases and yields food for the new crops.

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    2. Re:Stop with the Crapper myth! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not all diseases and it didn't really exist until after the flush toilet. Human waste is too small in volume to be a meaningfully useful fertilizer. Countries that do use it reap public health consequences. Read a brain scan of someone from mexico and you will see the dormant parasites scattered throughout. I think the most disruptive technology was eradicating malaria and hook worm. Note that flush toilet played a role in hook worm eradication, but the disruptive technology was actually understanding the problem and acting on that knowledge to solve it. The effect of malaria eradication is significantly higher IQ for a majority of people who are no longer exposed to it prenatally. The effect of higher IQ on the economy and technological progress can hardly be overstated. It makes the entire difference in the wealth of nations.

    3. Re:Stop with the Crapper myth! by operagost · · Score: 1

      Plus you have to turn around, and look at your Harrington. That's gross!

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    4. Re:Stop with the Crapper myth! by mister_playboy · · Score: 1

      The effect of malaria eradication is significantly higher IQ for a majority of people who are no longer exposed to it prenatally. The effect of higher IQ on the economy and technological progress can hardly be overstated. It makes the entire difference in the wealth of nations.

      Indeed. The large increase and then decrease in criminality in many countries during the last 50 years appears to linked to the increase and then decrease to lead exposure from leaded gasoline.

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  12. Note to self: by burtosis · · Score: 1

    For the sake of my family name, do NOT invent a disruptive technology involving fecal matter.

    1. Re:Note to self: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I took a big burtosis this morning.

  13. "Most" by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    The entire comments section here is predictable. Clickbait sells ads, even to Slashdotters.

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  14. Not in All Parts of the World by lazarus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Agreed that the refrigerator (along with birth control) is one of the most disruptive technologies in the past 100 years. However, this is not yet the case for the world at large. Only 27% of people in India own a refrigerator. In the West we take things like refrigeration and toilets for granted...

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    1. Re:Not in All Parts of the World by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Agreed that the refrigerator (along with birth control) is one of the most disruptive technologies in the past 100 years. However, this is not yet the case for the world at large. Only 27% of people in India own a refrigerator. In the West we take things like refrigeration and toilets for granted...

      And the very fact that a refrigerator is a luxury item in India has a lot of bearing on how they can afford to come in and take over jobs for wages that would literally starve Americans.

    2. Re:Not in All Parts of the World by Eloking · · Score: 1

      Agreed that the refrigerator (along with birth control) is one of the most disruptive technologies in the past 100 years. However, this is not yet the case for the world at large. Only 27% of people in India own a refrigerator. In the West we take things like refrigeration and toilets for granted...

      True, but what was India's most disruptive technologies in the past 100 years and how does it fit for the rest of the world?

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    3. Re:Not in All Parts of the World by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

      Not so much a "luxury" item as a waste of money.
      it is common for the 44% of rural households having access to electricity to lose power for more than 12 hours each day from Rolling Blackouts
      What's the point in having a fridge when there is no power?

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    4. Re:Not in All Parts of the World by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm willing to bet the refridgerator is still the most disruptive invention in India too.

      You are forgetting that it doesn't have to be a personal household item and consider that businesses and communities have the benefit of refrigeration.

      Also your idea of a high tech fridge is not the only type of fridge

      Fridges need not be electric, as at least one indian entrepreneur has shown:
      http://yourstory.com/2015/04/manshuk-lal-prajapati-mitticool/

    5. Re:Not in All Parts of the World by Solandri · · Score: 2

      Only 27% of people in India own a refrigerator. In the West we take things like refrigeration and toilets for granted...

      While not as many individuals may own a refrigerator in developing countries, a lot of their food is still refrigerated during transport. In fact that's how Chicago became the 3rd largest city in the U.S. The development of refrigerated rail cars in the late 1800s and early 1900s meant the meat processing industry in Chicago could ship product all the way to New York without spoilage. Customers there could buy fresh beef thanks to refrigeration, even though most of them didn't own a refrigerator until the 1940s. (Why Chicago? Because it was right next to Lake Michigan, with an ample supply of ice during the winter which could be harvested and stored for use in the summer. Mechanical refrigeration using a compressor didn't really take off until the late 20th century.)

    6. Re:Not in All Parts of the World by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Once it's cold, it tends to stay cold, that's why.

    7. Re:Not in All Parts of the World by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Refrigerators are very good at storing energy, a decent one probably runs for less than 8 hours a day, less if the owners are conscious of energy conservation techniques (limit open door time, keep relatively full, etc). I suppose it wouldn't matter if the addition of refrigerators to the grid increased the blackouts length/frequency but the basic premise of rolling blackouts wouldn't negate the use of a refrigerator as long as the blackouts didn't last more than a day.

    8. Re:Not in All Parts of the World by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps not home refrigeration, but also commercial refrigeration. When the only technology available was the icebox or ice-room, food and flour had to be brought in fresh from the farm to the butcher, fishmonger, baker, who would then deliver the items straight to the "lady of the house". Once the refrigerator came along, shopping could be done less frequently. Having industrial refrigerators meant that these shops could benefit from the increase in scale. They either became supermarket chains or went out of business.

      Next would probably be the mass produced car, allowing people to do their shopping less frequently. Then shipping containers which allowed for more goods to be transported greater distances without damage. Refrigeration allows for medicines and food to be transported.

      I'd say the LCD/LED screen is probably the most disruptive technology now. I've stayed in 400 year old hotels where all the furniture is more or less the same as it was 50 years ago. The only change has been a flatscreen TV mounted in a corner. But that has meant there's no need for a "TV room" where the hotel guests had to fight it out to watch a particular channel.

      Other countries are skipping the mechanical telephone exchanges, even digital landlines and going straight for smartphones.

    9. Re:Not in All Parts of the World by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But a vast majority of the food produced for export or sent to the poor can be transported because it's refrigerated, whereas in the past that was not the case.

      Refrigeration allowed people to live in places where they didn't need to grow their own food, it could be shipped to them.

    10. Re:Not in All Parts of the World by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      The "meatpacking district" in New York City had roughly 250 slaughterhouses and packers in the first half of the 20th century. Chicago's position as the second largest US city through most of the 20th century was also supported by it being a choke point for rail transportation and the southernmost port on Lake Michigan.

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    11. Re:Not in All Parts of the World by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Where I live, food pantries accept only canned goods. They don't spend money on refrigeration; boxes and bags are subject to insect and rodent infestation.

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    12. Re:Not in All Parts of the World by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what about the internet? it changed the way we communicate, we live and we perceive the world. I don't think anything is more disruptive than that.

    13. Re:Not in All Parts of the World by toddestan · · Score: 1

      I'd say the LCD/LED screen is probably the most disruptive technology now. I've stayed in 400 year old hotels where all the furniture is more or less the same as it was 50 years ago. The only change has been a flatscreen TV mounted in a corner. But that has meant there's no need for a "TV room" where the hotel guests had to fight it out to watch a particular channel.

      Really? LCD TVs really haven't changed how people watch or use televisions. Considering how less and less people even watch television their significance is diminished even further. I'd say streaming technologies are more disruptive than the actual, physical TV sets. I'd say the most disruptive technologies now are smartphones and social media.

  15. Rubbish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Household mains electricity was the technology.

  16. What's Next by lazy+genes · · Score: 0

    I believe the next step will be automated cars on tracks. The enegy and time saved would almost make our transportation systems sustainable. If the rail carried utilities such as water,sewer,electric and comunication systems, it would be sustainable.

    1. Re:What's Next by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Tracks have a problem with low coefficient of friction. The technology of putting an automated and reliable spur into every driveway and parking space would be ugly, dangerous, and expensive. Tracks do not and cannot offer a small turning radius. Routing around accidents is difficult to impossible. This technology will never see widespread use.

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    2. Re:What's Next by lazy+genes · · Score: 0

      Having an automated track and vehicle system will eliminate all accidents. Every vehicle will have planned destination and a schedule to keep. The vehicle will never need to stop. The vehicles will exit the rail and park in the garage, street or community garage. One of the benefits of this system is reducing the weight of the vehicle. I estimate that each of these vehicles can be 10 times less weight than a standard vehicle. The goal of this system is to be 10 times faster using ten times less energy. How do you plan on getting around when your 80 years old and everyone drives like an idiot? How will our current transportation system look when our global population hits 10 billion?This may be the solution.

  17. Kalashnikov's Baby by Oxygen99 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The AK-47. Bringing armed revolution to the masses!

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  18. Effect on Nutrition by trout007 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Those preserving techniques provided major sources of nutrients. Sauerkraut (and other fermented vegetables) has lots of Vitamin A, C, B-6, K as byproducts of the fermentation.

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    1. Re:Effect on Nutrition by operagost · · Score: 1

      As if I needed another excuse to heap the kraut on my brats at Oktoberfest.

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  19. the last bit on housework by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Housework falls not only because of more efficient and work flows but also for many other reasons which aren't well studied. Housework continues to suffer fall off partly because, as it cannot for most households be profited by or taxed by private or public institutions, we don't include it in measurements like GDP and so we favor policies which transform time spent doing housework into time spent doing work more financally accessible to the IRS and Wall St.

    No doubt certain inventions contributed to this by increasing housework productivity, but we also continue to implement social and economic policies that deprioritize housework entirely.

  20. Check your facts by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 4, Informative

    "... the flush toilet developed and popularized by Thomas Crapper"

    No, contrary to widespread misconceptions, Crapper did not invent the flush toilet.

    Via snopes and wikipedia:

    Wikipedia: It has often been claimed in popular culture that the slang term for human bodily waste, crap, originated with Thomas Crapper because of his association with lavatories. A common version of this story is that American servicemen stationed in England during World War I saw his name on cisterns and used it as army slang, i.e. "I'm going to the crapper".

    Snopes: Alexander Cummings is generally credited with inventing the first flush mechanism in 1775 (more than 50 years before Crapper was born), and plumbers Joseph Bramah and Thomas Twyford further developed the technology with improvements such as the float-and-valve system. Thomas Crapper, said an article in Plumbing and Mechanical Magazine, "should best be remembered as a merchant of plumbing products, a terrific salesman and advertising genius."

    I guess it's too much to hope that slashdot editors do even the most rudimentary fact-checking, eh?

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    1. Re:Check your facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Snopes: Alexander Cummings is generally credited with inventing the first flush mechanism

      So that's why people say "I'm cummings" when their flush mechanism is triggered

    2. Re:Check your facts by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      "The flush toilet DEVELOPED and POPULARIZED."

      He didn't invent the idea, he DEVELOPED A VERSION and POPULARIZED it.

      If OP meant to say Crapper invented the toilet, he'd have said 'The flush toilet INVENTED and popularized by Thomas Crapper."

      Ford didn't INVENT the automobile, but he DEVELOPED and POPULARIZED them.

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    3. Re:Check your facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your shift key is broken.

    4. Re:Check your facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see you are DEVELOPING and POPULARIZING the shift key.

    5. Re:Check your facts by j2.718ff · · Score: 1

      "... the flush toilet developed and popularized by Thomas Crapper"

      No, contrary to widespread misconceptions, Crapper did not invent the flush toilet.

      Amazingly, this is mentioned in the 2nd sentence of the wikipedia article linked to in the slashdot article. If only the poster had actually read the link he provided, he might not have made this mistake.

    6. Re:Check your facts by myrdos2 · · Score: 1

      Thomas Crapper, said an article in Plumbing and Mechanical Magazine, "should best be remembered as a merchant of plumbing products, a terrific salesman and advertising genius."

      So he's the Steve Jobs of toilets, and Alexander Cummings is the Wozniak? Then what's Bill Gates? I just need to put this into some kind of computer analogy...

    7. Re:Check your facts by sjames · · Score: 1
    8. Re:Check your facts by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      developed and popularized by

      No, contrary to widespread misconceptions, Crapper did not invent the flush toilet.

      Read the words you objected to. Read your words. Keep reading them until they are not contradictory. Note, there's more than one reading where they are not contradictory.

      The failure is not in their claims of what Crapper did for the crapper, but in your deliberately contrary reading of "popularized" and "developed". I've "developed" a photograph. I didn't invent photography, nor even take that photo. One can come in on something that exists and "develop" it. He has multiple patents on the toilet, and made improvements upon it. He developed the toilet further, and popularized it. That your reading of "developed" is contrary to the meaning "developed further" is your failure, not the authors.

    9. Re: Check your facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe so, but imagine if every time you knock on a public toilet the person inside says "Sorry, I'm Cummings!" I think crapper works just fine.

  21. Whiskey? by Psychotria · · Score: 1

    Since when did whiskey have to be consumed if it wasn't refrigerated? I mean any excuse will do, but I think that example is taking things a little too far.

    1. Re:Whiskey? by Psychotria · · Score: 1

      Oh ffs. I read the summary incorrectly. Serves me right for drinking all my whiskey in fear that it would spoil.

    2. Re:Whiskey? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BWAHAHAHAHAHA you dumazz

    3. Re:Whiskey? by Psychotria · · Score: 1

      Not my fault! I saw the word "whiskey" and immediately drank all my supplies just in case.

  22. FETs and antibiotics by moeinvt · · Score: 1

    1915-2015?

    I can see the argument for refrigeration and it's interesting to contemplate, but the transistor takes the prize for "most disruptive technology" hands down. It's nice to go home and have fresh milk, veggies and leftovers in the fridge as opposed to opening a bag of flour and having a winter squash with some smoked meat, but transistors changed absolutely everything.
    If medicine is considered "technology", the other major contender is antibiotics. For 100s of years, injuries and diseases which are now easily treatable were very often deadly because of bacteria. Antibiotics changed all that.
    You could also make an argument for plastics if you group them all together as a single technology. After all, what would we do without the salad shooter and clamshell packaging?

    1. Re:FETs and antibiotics by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

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    2. Re:FETs and antibiotics by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      It was only about 100 years ago when the #1 cause of death in females was childbirth. One would think that the medical advances would be more disruptive in the change of the quality of life of mothers (who aren't dead).

    3. Re:FETs and antibiotics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I once asked a.90+ year old woman what the greatest invention was that she'd seen in her lifetime, and she came right back with "Healthcare".

  23. Disruptiver Tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Typical /. research. Refrigerator and Icebox are terms used interchangeably but technically they are vastly different.

    1. Re:Disruptiver Tech by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Icebox is a vernacular word for refrigerator (as is Frigidaire, in some locations). The language changed and absorbed the previous term, rendering it obsolete and meaningless. Much like you could argue a dashboard in a car is used technically incorrectly, as well as a cupboard that holds plates. It's too late, the language has changed. Fighting it is pointless.

    2. Re:Disruptiver Tech by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      I suppose this may be regional, but I'm hearing the term "icebox" turn to its meaning as "a cabinet once used to hold ice for cooling food", whereas "fridge" and "freezer" refer to the obvious mechanical contraptions.

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    3. Re:Disruptiver Tech by cwsumner · · Score: 1

      A vernacular is just a local technical jargon, "technical" being what ever they are talking about.

      We need technical jargon for specific things, but everyone needs to also know "standard". Alse, there will be radical misunderstandings between people in different areas. I have heard so many arguments where people were both on the same side, but didn't know it because they defined a word different.

      "Icebox" is a cooling box that uses a large block of ice.
      "Refrigerator" is a cooling box that uses a compression refrigeration system.

      But if you swap them people will still probably know what you mean ... mostly. 8-)

    4. Re:Disruptiver Tech by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      A vernacular is just a local technical jargon,

      I was using it to mean "casual use, not necessarily proper use".

      "Icebox" is a cooling box[...] "Refrigerator" is a cooling box [...]

      The operational details are irrelevant to most. People don't use words accurately. They use them accurately enough. Someone who walks into their house with groceries, and shouts out "Bobby, come put the milk in the icebox" there is a 0% chance that Bobby will respond "But Mother, we don't have an icebox, we have a compression cycle cooling box." She could probably say "put it in the cooler" and Bobby would infer she meant the reefer, unless they were in the process of packing for a camping trip, even if they owned an icebox/ice chest/cooler/insulated container/chillybin/whatever they call it where you are.

      My example for this language is "broadband". Under the technical definition of "broadband", 14.4k modem is broadband, and 10GE isn't. Though broadband in common usage means "fast" so 10G is more broadband than 14.4k, despite 14.4k being explicitly broadband, and 10GE being explicitly baseband. I'd use 100G as the example, but the official standards aren't set in stone on it, and some are using broadband, and others baseband for the same speeds, something else confusing to the people who only use the common usage of the word, not the technical use of it.

    5. Re:Disruptiver Tech by cwsumner · · Score: 1

      That's why I used the phrase "Local technical jargon". Jargon is not necessarily more detailed, just specialized to the local needs.

      But if you are talking to the antique collector and you say you want an "icebox", you may very well get a wooden box that needs a hundred pound block of ice to work! That's what I mean by problems when talking to a non-local person.

      I spend half my work time translating jargon of various types from one state or company to another. It's a headache! 8-)

  24. Not just food by plopez · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It also changed how people socialized. Instead of popping down to the corner store where you often met people from the neighborhood, you now have mega-marts. Instead of canning parties of in-season veggies, you have frozen foods. Small truck farms were driven out of business.

    Also in the field of medicine. Some medicines are very temperature sensitive, insulin comes to mind. Easier blood storage. Easier organ storage and corpse storage.

      It changed so many things besides just food storage and preparation.

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  25. Didn't generalize sufficiently by sjbe · · Score: 1

    I think they are possibly right but didn't generalize it enough. Refrigeration is fundamentally the same technology as air conditioning. Both just move heat from one room to another. (a small room in the case of refrigeration) And air conditioning is almost entirely responsible for the migration of huge numbers of people south and huge demographic changes. Same technology with different application and similarly huge results.

    So the answer is correct if you include air conditioning as a subset of refrigeration (or vice-versa).

    1. Re:Didn't generalize sufficiently by messymerry · · Score: 1

      BINGO sjbe! Air conditioning is by far the most disruptive of the technologies of the last century. What happened when we could cool out houses? (besides much higher electric bills???) What happened was we closed our window and doors. Then the curtains soon followed and there we were cut off from our neighbors and friends by that seductive cool air. When we closed our windows and doors and curtains, we lost the community connection and neuroses and paranoia began to exert their negative influence, thus hastening the disintegration of our social fabric. Hands down, air conditioning is the most disruptive technology of the last century.

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    2. Re:Didn't generalize sufficiently by Beerdood · · Score: 1

      You're right in that air conditioning is technically a subset of refrigeration, but I don't think that air conditioning really revolutionized society (or disrupted) in the same sense here, so that's why it's not included or mentioned here. Having air conditioning is more of a luxury, being able to enjoy a slightly cooler room in the heat. Having a small compartment between -20 and 5 degrees radically altered socialization, commerce, food preparation, etc..

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    3. Re:Didn't generalize sufficiently by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      It also allowed the scumbags to stay in DC through the summer.

      We should ban AC in the district.

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    4. Re:Didn't generalize sufficiently by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      Having air conditioning is more of a luxury, being able to enjoy a slightly cooler room in the heat.

      You must not be from the South. The whole stereotype of the lazy Southerner pretty much comes from the effects of the heat and humidity here.

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    5. Re:Didn't generalize sufficiently by westlake · · Score: 1

      You're right in that air conditioning is technically a subset of refrigeration, but I don't think that air conditioning really revolutionized society (or disrupted) in the same sense here, so that's why it's not included or mentioned here.

      There were vast regions in the southern and southwestern United States that remained essentially rural until air conditioning made them habitable year round.

      The population of Houston in 1920 was about 138,000. In 2010, 2 million.

  26. Child care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good, now we need to find a way to reduce pregnancy period and the time needed to raise little bastards into workforce. That way moms and dads will have more time to make money and more time to spend them.

  27. Dude-centric by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The most disruptive tech of the last 100 years was the washing machine. Because it gave women some actual time to DO something during the day. Before the washing machine, women washed clothes all day. It was the most laborious thing they did, and it was a constant process. Yes, refrigeration REALLY changed a lot of things, but it didn't make life drastically more worth living for half the population. Washing machines. No question at all. Without them, women didn't need the vote, because they didn't have time to read, or work on getting educated. We're talking about half the population becoming part of the population, as opposed to beasts of burden.

    1. Re:Dude-centric by vm146j2 · · Score: 2

      All of them are the same; who do you think was doing all the canning, smoking, pickling and preserving? It's all about women's work, the contraception too. Condoms have been around for centuries, but there's still no male pill, it's still up to the women if they don't want to raise another kid.

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    2. Re:Dude-centric by operagost · · Score: 1

      Then, environmentalists and crony capitalists ruined it by introducing "high efficiency" washers. They need detergent that costs 50% more (although the only difference it that it suds less), take 50% longer to clean a load, and require hours of effort every month CLEANING THE WASHER so that it doesn't grow moldy.

      Back to the washing board...

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    3. Re:Dude-centric by sandytaru · · Score: 2

      Pretty much all the above, which is why I'm able to sit in my office during lunch break and read slash dot, instead of being stuck at home taking care of a household full time as well as a child neither my husband and I wanted. My fridge is keeping my food cold, a roomba is keeping the floor clean , and hormones are keeping me perpetually not-pregnant.

      That frees me up to have a career of my own.

      I'd add clean running municipal water as the most disruptive technology of the century before that, but still the most essential one today. We had a water main break last night and productivity inside and outside of the home died completely. Restaurants closed. Nobody could do laundry. We had to melt ice from our fridge (!!!) to have water to drink. Three hours later the water was restored, but we're still under "boil alert" until further notice.

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    4. Re:Dude-centric by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The most disruptive tech of the last 100 years was the washing machine. Because it gave women some actual time to DO something during the day. Before the washing machine, women washed clothes all day. It was the most laborious thing they did, and it was a constant process. Yes, refrigeration REALLY changed a lot of things, but it didn't make life drastically more worth living for half the population. Washing machines. No question at all. Without them, women didn't need the vote, because they didn't have time to read, or work on getting educated. We're talking about half the population becoming part of the population, as opposed to beasts of burden.

      Absolute BS.

      In countries where there are no washing machines, the women don't do the washing. There are washing companies that collect clothes, wash them and send them back clean. Men work in these physically labor intensive washing companies.

    5. Re:Dude-centric by Strudelkugel · · Score: 1

      Here is link about washing machines.

      Portable ultrasound machines may also be highly disruptive in terms of the impact they are having on gender ratios.

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    6. Re:Dude-centric by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that the women are using the extra free time to NOT DO anything at all but get fat watching TV. The washing machine created Oprah.

    7. Re:Dude-centric by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      When I first left home I hardly ever washed my clothes. You can good a 6 months out of a pair of jeans, and a few weeks out of a shirt if you don't spill shit on it. :)
      What the hell were people doing in the old days that required washing of clothes all day every day?

    8. Re:Dude-centric by tazan · · Score: 1

      My grandmother spent a significant amount of time hunting every day while grandfather was working in the fields. If she didn't shoot a squirrel or rabbit there would likely be no meat on the table. Without a refrigerator she had to kill something every day.

    9. Re:Dude-centric by lars_stefan_axelsson · · Score: 1

      No, what you need are proper washing machines. I.e. machines with a drum instead of an agitator and that heats the water instead of just getting what's on tap.

      Whenever I use a washing machine in the US I'm taken aback by how bad they are.

      With regular 60âC (140F), cycles for underwear or even a 90âC (195F) cycle for linnen (though not many use it, it's still on the machine), there won't be any mold in you machine. No, way, no how.

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    10. Re:Dude-centric by lars_stefan_axelsson · · Score: 1

      Absolute BS.

      Nope. You have to look at what the actual history was in the countries you're talking about. As a matter of fact women did the washing locally. And they spent a lot of time on it. (But people also owned less clothes, linnen etc. and used them much longer before washing them, than is the case now.

      Having your laundry sent out to men (the horror!) doing the actual work didn't happen. At all. (With a small exception being the Army, esp. in times of war. As a matter of fact, modern laundry techniques revolutionised warfare.)

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    11. Re:Dude-centric by toddestan · · Score: 1

      The problem is that with the front loading washers, they are still damp inside after running a load of laundry and if you close the front door (which is water-tight) then they get mold. This isn't as much of a problem with the old school top loaders, since people tended to leave the lid open, and even if they closed it, it wasn't a watertight seal so they could still dry out.

      I do agree that the quality of our appliances are shit now. They all seem engineered to last about 7 years, and that's it.

    12. Re:Dude-centric by lars_stefan_axelsson · · Score: 1

      Well, yes, of course you can't leave the laundry in the machine when its done. You have to dry it? Otherwise it will indeed become moldy.

      But that feels like I'm missing your point... So what did I miss?

      P.S. Just bought a used refurbished Siemens front loader. Yes, they "wear out" fast, but usually it's only a single "weak" component that's been made that way, and it can often be fixed fairly cheaply and easily. Not so with newer Husqvarna machines though. The refurbisher showed me two as new three year old machines that were already broken and couldn't be fixed. Parts weren't available, and it was large, expensive and critical parts that had broken (same in both machines). So if you want to know what to buy, check with the local refurbisher...

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    13. Re:Dude-centric by operagost · · Score: 1

      Apparently, English is a second language for you, so I'll be fair.

      He didn't say he was leaving the clothes in. It is clear that he took the clothes out (that's why he needed to CLOSE the door; it was open because he'd emptied it). Since it is QUITE WET inside an HE washer, if you leave the door CLOSED mold will grow on the SLIGHTLY WARM WATER. Most people close the door because it is in the FRONT where CHILDREN AND PETS can climb in. And I have yet to see one where the manufacturer includes some kind of double-latch that leaves it cracked open, but too tightly for a child or pet to get in. So it gets moldy. But regardless, it still gets moldy under the gaskets, in the cups, and in the filter.

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    14. Re:Dude-centric by lars_stefan_axelsson · · Score: 1

      Ah. OK. Yes, being European "everybody" knows that you have to leave the door ajar, or even fully open, between uses.

      Even in Sweden, home of the most overbearing child safety standards you could imagine, I have never heard of a child or pet being injured by crawling into the washing machine. I can honestly say that it has never even appeared on my radar as a risk. (Same with my own kids, not even remotely a problem. Many other things were, but that wasn't one of them. Whether we lived in an apartment with the washer in the bathroom, or a house with a laundry room proper.).

      Now, yes, in the bottom of the gasket you can often find a bit of discolouration, (and the other places you mention), but as nothing can really "grow" in a machine that's regularly flushed with 60C water, it's not a problem in practice. If it gets too bad you'll just have to clean it, it's not worse than cleaning out the filter/grating from time to time.

      Indeed, that's why we wash underwear in 60âC. It kills all the stuff you don't want growing in them...

      No, I'm sorry. When it comes to washing machines, I can't see any benefits to the American models.

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    15. Re:Dude-centric by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NO! In her book on the history of women's work, some Cal-Tech lady scholar (forgot name, sorry) discovered that as family's moved up the economic ladder, the FIRST HIRE was a washer woman. It was a hot, sweaty, relentless, unchanging job - boiling clothes, scrubbing, wringing, rinsing...not like tossing a load into the laundry machine as I do today! Those poor women.

      Compared to laundry, seasonal canning is a peach of a job.

  28. Re:first poop by DickBreath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Close but incorrect.

    The most disruptive technology of the last 100 years was . . .

    Ta da . . .

    Northern Toilet Tissue. Introduced in 1935. The very first splinter free toilet tissue.

    Now that's innovation we take for granted.

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  29. You can't rank these things. by goodmanj · · Score: 1

    This is about as useful as arguing about the most important person of the 20th century. The refrigerator was huge. So was the mass-produced automobile, the atomic bomb, the television, the transistor, digital communications, the list goes on. And all of these things enabled and depended on each other, so singling out one as the key to everything is stupid.

    I do agree that refrigeration deserves more attention, though.

  30. combine and other heavy machinery by Wycliffe · · Score: 2

    I think the combine and other heavy machinery would be a contender. Heavy machinery has reduced the number of farm and construction workers by more than 90% allowing those other people to take up new jobs. The computer, the service industry, cities, etc... wouldn't exist as they are today if 90% of our workforce still worked on the farm. The article says that refrigeration and other household technologies made household work drop from 58 to 18 hours (a 69% reduction). Farm machinery has the beat by a long shot with something close to a 90% reduction in labor.

    Other runner ups for other reasons would include birth control, antibiotics, plastic, the internal combustion engine, and factory automation.

  31. The Street Lamp by magusxxx · · Score: 1

    I thought this would have been at the top of the list. Before street lamps people had to continually worry about their own personal illumination. That's 'torches' for those who have never seen a Hammer film. It also had a great deal of impact on the environment. Wild animals who could freely roam now had to learn new instincts and survival skills.

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    1. Re:The Street Lamp by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Gas street lamps were prominent in cities 200 years ago.

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  32. Dinosaurs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... With the arrival of the icebox and then the electric refrigerator ...

    The television show "Dinosaurs" celebrated Refrigerator Day instead of Christmas. Apparently it ended the nomadic lifestyle that dinosaurs originally had. Although I fail to see how a nomadic population could invent a refrigerator. Except for stone and earthworks, nomadic cultures only invent what they can carry.

  33. So, the refrigerator made US foor what it is now by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

    So, back then, because refrigerator where uncommon, people had to be creative and found various cooking techniques that improved conservation. For the same reason, local ingredients where likely to be preferred and seasons had to be observed. This resulted in a lot of diversity and interesting recipes.
    The refrigerator is certainly a big advance, so are modern sterilization techniques but it also lead to the hopelessly bland diet of many people today.

    Proof that disruptive isn't all good.

  34. Truly disruptive by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

    The most disruptive technology I recall was certainly Windows 3.1

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  35. Making food taste good by sjbe · · Score: 1

    So you don't like your food to taste good? Smoking and pickling can add substantial flavor to food. Jams and jellies and other products that are canned are fantastic. Canning does not require preservatives as it was developed as a way of storing foods aseptically. If you enjoy BBQ then you are enjoying the benefits of smoking. Preservation methods often have awesome side benefits in making food taste good. Cured meats, pickled vegetables, canned fruits, salting, etc all result in some pretty awesome food products. People developed those techniques out of necessity and elevated them to an art form.

    Oh, and starvation is worse than any side effect of any preservation method.

    1. Re:Making food taste good by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      If you enjoy BBQ

      Also, maybe many don't know the distiction between BBQ and grilling.

      When you grill things like burgers, steaks, etc...over hot, high quick heat, that is grilling...it is NOT Barbecue.

      BBQ is done by long, slow heat, with natural wood is the only or primary usually fuel and flavoring agent. You don't get anything BBQ in less than 4+ hours (for say a chicken)....putting "bbq sauce" on something, is NOT barbecue.

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    2. Re:Making food taste good by xevioso · · Score: 1

      Nowadays the two terms are conflated because grill is not generally used as a noun in this way.

      When people say "Come over to my house; I am having a July 4 BBQ", they mean they are going to grill food on July 4, not actually BBQ food. But no one actually says "Come over to my house; I am going to have a July 4 Grill" because that implies you will have an actual grill object to give or something. It's confusing. So people say BBQ. There's nothing wrong with using English in this way.

  36. Hard to rank by sjbe · · Score: 1

    The big ones include but aren't limited to:
    Transistors & Integrated circuits
    Refrigeration/air conditioning
    Jet engines
    Mass air travel
    Nuclear power/weapons
    Birth control pills
    Antibiotics & vaccines
    Genetic analysis and therapy
    Telecom networks (including the internet)
    Containerized shipping
    Email
    Lasers
    Electrical grids
    Superhighways
    Nitrogen based fertilizers
    Pesticides/herbicides
    And some more I've forgotten

    Can you rank these? Not meaningfully. I suppose you could study economic impact but that's going to be very imprecise and is only one measure of disruption. If I had to vote for just one it would probably be either the transistor or birth control. But it really doesn't matter.

  37. Without a thermostat... by Lurking_Giant_Too · · Score: 1

    The thermostat. It provides the feedback control system which automated everything from heating and cooling to cooking and manufacturing and chemical processing.

  38. Whiskey? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ethanol! The best way to preserve your grain! (unless you know about drying and cloth bags)

  39. Other disruptive technologies? by ramriot · · Score: 1

    The refrigerator is a great disruptive technology for the early 20th Century, here is a list of others by the century they gained wider use and what they disrupted:-

    Mid 19th Century: The Flush Toilet: replaced in a stroke the use of pit drop toilets when coupled to a sewer and disrupted completely the work of Gong Scourers, who's job it was to be paid to regularly clean out cesspits, cart away the waste and sell it to market gardeners outside of the growing cities. Hence the phrase "Where there's much there's brass"

    Mid to late 19th Century: Municipal long distance sewers an sewage treatment: In London UK disrupted the spread of waterborne disease and the livelyhood of any physician or peddler selling posies and possets to cover the smell on the mistaken belief that these diseases were airborne or Miasmic Diseases.

    Mid 15th Century: Movable Type Printing Press: Initially disrupted the hand written indulgence business the church had going by drastically reducing the costs of buying your way out of purgatory, then disrupted practically everything to do with knowledge transfer.

    That is a good start I'm sure others can continue the thread. You know there may be a book in this!

    1. Re:Other disruptive technologies? by J053 · · Score: 1

      Mid to late 19th century: the Otis safety elevator. Made buildings over 5 stories high possible, thus making high-density cities possible and accelerating the shift of population from rural to urban.

    2. Re:Other disruptive technologies? by ramriot · · Score: 1

      I would say it made buildings over 10 stories practicable, but note that there were elevators before Otis, the Paternoster continuous elevator for example and Otis were initially freight only. The key question though it what technology did Otis disrupt? What form of business model did having taller buildings with easy access make less tenable?

  40. CFCs by Malc · · Score: 1

    Before 2/3rds of Americans owned an icebox, we also didn't have a huge great hole in the ozone layer. Skin cancer is very disruptive, don't you know?

    1. Re:CFCs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a good thing we had those weather satellites back then so we know there wasn't already a big hole in the ozone layer over Antarctica!

    2. Re:CFCs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Early fridges ran on ammonia or SO2, which tended to kill people more directly than skin cancer.

  41. Crossbow by tekrat · · Score: 1

    The Crossbow was once considered such a horrific weapon, and such a huge advance that "man might never make war again" because of sheer amount of death this device could bring to the battlefield.

    So, it's all relative....

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    1. Re:Crossbow by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      I read of testing that showed a longbow could be fired repetitively faster than a crossbow. The longbow isn't moved between shots; all that's required for reloading is reaching back to the quiver for a new arrow, nocking it in place and drawing it back.

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    2. Re:Crossbow by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      And if you've seen that weird guy on youtube, he can shoot arrows as quickly as a revolver by holding multiple arrows in his hand and reloading as part of the shooting action. The longbow was the AK47 of it's day.

  42. Curiously by argStyopa · · Score: 0

    The greatest labor-saving devices generally have been devices that have directly reduced the amount of work generally considered "for women" such as the Refrigerator, Clothes Washer, and
    Vacuum Cleaner, not to mention birth control pills giving women more control over their own reproduction than ever in history.

    Yes curiously, women seem to bitch more than ever about how miserable they are.

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    1. Re:Curiously by charlesj68 · · Score: 1

      Yes curiously, women seem to bitch more than ever about how miserable they are.

      Because, no matter how many hours are saved by novel and curious devices, men are still the same?

    2. Re:Curiously by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      None of us actually knows how much bitching was going on back then.

      I'm going to guess: a lot.

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    3. Re:Curiously by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Busy people don't have time to bitch. Productive people aren't at "Occupy" meetings.

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  43. No question. The shipping container. by Doghouse13 · · Score: 1

    For my money, the most disruptive technology of the last century - the one that has genuinely done THE most to change the society we live in and the lives of everyone in it - is the humble standardized shipping container. Containers and the infrastructure to handle them mean that we can now ship immense quantities of goods of all shapes, sizes and types from one side of the planet to the other, at a cost per mile per item that's so small it's barely measurable. They mean that it is, literally, cheaper now to move many manufactured goods from one side of the planet to the other, than it used to be to ship them 10 miles down the road. As a manufacturer, it means that, in principle, you can source your materials and parts from anywhere on the globe. Want to manufacture part of your product in Europe, but assemble it in Asia? Do it. Ban shipping containers tomorrow, and the global economy would grind to a shuddering halt in days. And it doesn't matter what other technology you care to point to as a candidate - it's shipping containers that make it globally available. Head and shoulders the winner.

    1. Re:No question. The shipping container. by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Nah, free online porn! Now THAT is disruptive, nobody needs a girlfriend or boyfriend anymore! However, this might have a negative effect on the birth rate...

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    2. Re:No question. The shipping container. by Geste · · Score: 1

      +1. I didn't see your post and posted below in part to point people to the excellent book _The Box_ by Marc Levinson. I have no connection to the book or author, but was impressed with how interesting his history and analysis were when covering an subject that *might* seem mundane. Hardly.

  44. Good article, but actually didn't surprise me ... by King_TJ · · Score: 1

    I was just discussing something similar with a few of my tech buddies, a few weeks ago. Despite all of us working in I.T. for decades and being up on the latest trends -- we universally agreed that it feels like real innovation is slowing down. There were so many inventions in the last 100 or so years that clearly changed society, but in the last 10 or 20? Not so much. Almost everything heralded as the next big thing is really an incremental revision of existing tech, in recent years.

    I mean sure, the Internet itself is a huge game-changer, but even that really goes all the way back to DARPANET, started in the early 1970's. The microcomputer is also really a child of the 70's. In fact, a lot happened in the 70's, invention-wise! The Bic disposable lighter was invented, as well as gene splicing. The VCR was invented, forever changing how people watched television. Post it notes, the laser printer, ethernet networking and cellular phones all came from the 70's too, plus the artificial heart and MRI machines.

    The current generation is going to be remembered for creating a whole bunch of social media web sites that came and went and for popularizing the digital streaming of content you "rent" on monthly plans instead of buy on pre-packaged media. Oh, and multiple attempts to incrementally improve existing televisions by adding a curve to the flat panels, by adding 3D technologies to them that never really caught on, and by upping the resolutions every so often. I mean, ok ... I'm purposely being a little sarcastic here. But I think you get my point. We might still have a big game-changer on the horizon with self-driving vehicles, mind you. But this doesn't appear to be going down as a particularly trans-formative era in history.....

  45. Re:first poop by MTEK · · Score: 1

    splinter free toilet tissue.

    Not sure which is more awful, taking chances with splinters or living in Roman times and having to use a brine-soaked sponge that was fastened to a stick and used communally.

  46. Black History Month by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thank god for the Africans who invented the refrigerator. Oh, wait...
    The Africans who invented anaesthesia, the greatest invention ever? Nope, not Africans.

    But hey, we've all got to pretend that blacks are as intelligent as whites, or get sacked from our jobs! While they flood into and thus DESTROY our countries. Aren't we lucky.

    1. Re:Black History Month by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Obama managed to get elected president, he's obviously smarter than you are!

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  47. Refrigeration **is** the correct answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Refrigeration **is** the correct answer, at least for me, invented in the last 100 yrs.

    I know this as a fact because mine broke last week and my life changed drastically.

    How?
    * I normally cook large dinners and either refrigerate or freeze the leftovers. Couldn't do that.
    * I purchase larger-sized canned foods - open, use 1/3rd, then refrig the extras.
    * when the fridge broke,it was overnight (left the freezer door open) and it was warm in the morning, but still running. Cooked the small amount of meat and eat it for b'fast and lunch.
    * Every meal was impacted until I replaced the broken part. Took a few days to realize what the issue was. For 4 days, it "sorta worked", but not quite.

    Had to throw out a bunch of frozen veggies and single-serve pre-made meals.

    Washing machine - I use it would 2x a month. If it broke, I'd take my clothes to a laundry or laundromat. Not life changing.

    Car - I haven't used a car since Sunday and I live nowhere near any public transportation. I can bike/walk to nearby food stores and/or restaurants, if needed. Actually, I can walk to 2 auto parts stores as well, though I'd hate to carry a battery back home again - need to get a little cart for next time.

    Internet - that would be a terrible thing to be without for a week, but many people don't use the internet, so I suppose I could do without it for as long as necessary.

    BTW, I've lived in poor countries and locations that didn't have power 24/7, no clean water from facets, and no refrigeration for most people. As a guest, the unclean water mattered the most. We dropped our laundry off for someone else to clean in the river - I have photos. Refrigeration didn't matter much - everything was freshly made and vegetarian here. Oddly, we did have hot showers available after 3pm thanks to solar heating. ;) Keep your eyes and mouth closed in the shower - that WAS hard to do.

    I've been without a water heater for a few weeks once. It was uncomfortable, but not disruptive.

    Phones are over 100 now. When I was growing up, we didn't use the phone much. Dad had a 5 minute rule due to the number of people in out household (9). Most of my extended family didn't get cell phones until 2006-ish. Highly disruptive, world-wide, and a major convenience. I've misplaced my cell phone for a few weeks THIS year. Didn't really change my life. You get the point.

    In the mechanized world, the refrigeration matters most in the last 100 yrs. Potable water in our homes would matter more, but that was solved long ago.

    1. Re:Refrigeration **is** the correct answer by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      You're right, you take your refrigerator for granted until it fails unexpectedly. But now imagine this: the air conditioning at your workplace fails in July or August. Which is more disruptive?

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  48. refrigerator vs. icebox by j2.718ff · · Score: 1

    In the 1920s, only about a third of households reported having a washer or a vacuum, and refrigerators were even rarer. But just 20 years later, refrigerator ownership was common, with more than two-thirds of Americans owning an icebox.

    Hold on a second, so in the 1920s, fewer than 1/3 of Americans owned a refrigerator. By the 1940s, more than 2/3 of Americans owned an icebox. How many owned iceboxes in the 1920s? How many owned refrigerators in the 1940s? These items served the same purpose, but are most certainly not the same thing.

  49. Consume Mass Quantities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Americans no longer had to make and consume great quantities of cheese, whiskey and hard cider

    No longer have to, but why would I stop?

  50. Air Conditioning by jasenj1 · · Score: 1

    I'll throw air conditioning in there under the heading of "refrigeration". A/C has turned baking deserts (e.g. Arizona, Saudi Arabia) and humid swamps (e.g. Florida) into popular places to live.

    We've been able to generate heat since the harnessing of fire, but generating cool took a lot longer.

  51. Saran wrap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, that was the best discovery of the last 3000 years....

  52. And stop with the Jobs myth too by tepples · · Score: 0

    Nor did Steve Jobs invent the smartphone. Yet the Crapper and Apple companies did contribute several improvements that made the product categories practical.

  53. Re:first poop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I was born in 1926 and well remember the ice box that really was an ice box with a good sized hunk of ice at the top and regular deliveries of ice from the ice man. We dodn'thave a refrigerator but had fresh vegetables and fresh mead from the butcher shop daily. And the toilet paper was just fine even in 1930.I lived in Brooklyn, NYC and even had an electric toaster and a well designed vacuum cleaner and a radio with Charlie McCarthy and Fred Allen and Jack Benny and the Columbia Workshop. Better than the Bulk of TV today.

  54. Nuclear Weapons and the Shipping Container by Geste · · Score: 1

    The shipping container, you say? Dubious? Read Marc Levinson's excellent _The Box_

  55. BBQ by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Also, maybe many don't know the distiction between BBQ and grilling. When you grill things like burgers, steaks, etc...over hot, high quick heat, that is grilling...it is NOT Barbecue.

    I know the difference very well. BBQ is as your say low and slow and it routinely ALSO involves utilizing smoke. BBQ pork and one of the hallmarks can be the pink smoke ring that permeates the meat. There is little better to eat in this world than some BBQ with a nice smokey crust.

    Not sure why you went off on that tangent since nothing I said had anything to do with calling grilling BBQ or vice-versa.

    1. Re:BBQ by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      I know the difference very well. BBQ is as your say low and slow and it routinely ALSO involves utilizing smoke. BBQ pork and one of the hallmarks can be the pink smoke ring that permeates the meat. There is little better to eat in this world than some BBQ with a nice smokey crust. Not sure why you went off on that tangent since nothing I said had anything to do with calling grilling BBQ or vice-versa.

      OH, I agree with you.

      My post wasn't targeted at YOU...it was more to clarify to other readers out there, that too often today confuse the two terms.

      :)

      No, from you posts and all, I think we're totally in agreement on food subjects here.

      :D

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    2. Re:BBQ by sjbe · · Score: 0

      My post wasn't targeted at YOU...it was more to clarify to other readers out there, that too often today confuse the two terms.

      Ahh, understood. Yes many people do conflate the two terms though technically speaking there is a big difference. Both in process and in results.

    3. Re:BBQ by AK+Marc · · Score: 1
      BBQ is cooked on a grill. You don't need smoke. Smokeless propane grilling can be a BBQ. Though "mesquite BBQ" has more flavor, according to the BBQ snobs.

      Not sure why you went off on that tangent since nothing I said had anything to do with calling grilling BBQ or vice-versa.

      You implied that BBQ requires smoke. It does not. That's why he issued a correction. Your complain is either "real" or "good" BBQ requires smoke, which is not related to whether *all* BBQ requires smoke.

    4. Re:BBQ by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      You implied that BBQ requires smoke.

      Nope, it does.

      But the main difference is...grilling is over high direct heat for short period of time.

      BBQ is low and slow....with wood smoke from the fuel used.

      I dare you to go to a real BBQ contest and see anyone grilling things quickly over propane and having the nerve to call it Barbecue.

      ;)

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    5. Re:BBQ by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Your complaint is either "real" or "good" BBQ requires smoke, which is not related to whether *all* BBQ requires smoke.

      I dare you to go to a real BBQ contest and see anyone grilling things quickly over propane and having the nerve to call it Barbecue.

      Your complaint is either "real" or "good" BBQ requires smoke, which is not related to whether *all* BBQ requires smoke.

    6. Re:BBQ by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Grilling is not BBQ. Smoking is BBQ.

      Yeah I know, living language and all that BS.

      If there is no smoke, there is no BBQ. It _is_ that simple.

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    7. Re: BBQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At your house. Much of the rest of the world uses the term more broadly.

    8. Re:BBQ by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1

      I'm so confused. I like to barbecue on my grill, or a hibachi at my girlfriends house. I use hardwood briquets exclusively because they make my food taste magical. It takes about 30 mins to cook corn or these nice sausages from the butcher, less than that for fish or asparagus. I cover things so they come out tasting quite smoky.

      What am I allowed to call this? I'm scared to think about it too much, what I do now is fun, comes naturally, and tastes super amazing.

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  56. Re:Good article, but actually didn't surprise me . by Megane · · Score: 1

    About the only true innovation I can see lately is in the "maker" culture. In particular, amateur 3D printing is making the average person (as in income more so than skills) create small custom parts. Likewise, cheap easy-to-program micro-controller boards (Arduino, mbed, etc.) allow small custom embedded control of stuff for the person of average means, even in these days where the individual parts are too small to easily assemble without specialized equipment.

    Remember, when the refrigerator was new, people weren't exactly expecting it to cause a major change in society, so whatever might be disruptive from now might not be obvious for a few decades. And I would argue that the internet is quite valid as a candidate, even though it was "invented" in the 1970s. Refrigeration was available through the 1800s, but it wasn't until the early 20th century that average people could afford to have one at home.

    The internet and mobile communications have really changed things over the past 20 years. I'm old enough to remember when TV drama plots used the lack of communication as a plot point, where a cell phone would have ended the story quickly. Now they have to use being out of range as a plot point, but you still can't justify that in a city setting.

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  57. Penicillin? by netsavior · · Score: 1

    Penicillin and antibiotics in the last hundred years basically changed the entire civilized world from "you live until you die of an infection" to "you live until you die of cancer or heart failure." Which is pretty significant.

    Although it is pretty hard to argue with the refrigerator, it just gives me the cold shoulder.

  58. God by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The most disruptive thing man ever invented would have to be God.

  59. Another candidate for "most disruptive" by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    Ice boxes worked fine. My father believes the most disruptive technology is closely related to refrigerators: air conditioning, which allowed the industrialization of the south, and is the enabling technology behind modern skyscrapers, especially those huge greenhouses in the middle of the desert e.g. in Dubai. We don't build huge buildings with opening windows or air shafts any more; that is kind of a major change. (An extremely energy inefficient change - build a greenhouse, then expend huge amounts of energy pumping accumulated heat out of the greenhouse.)

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  60. Umm.. Cars? by Macgruder · · Score: 1

    Nothing has altered the framework of the US like the automobile. Manufacturing, finance, marketing, engineering, regulations, architecture, social mating..... All of them have undergone revolutionary transformations in the post WWII years. Only the existence of the internet has come close (and may someday surpass) to being as disruptive.

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  61. the birth control pill with out doubt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    we are just now seeing the affects of being the first generation in history to be smaller than the older ones before. Gen X. The destruction of the family and all that comes with it also come from this product. The fact it (affective practical birth control) only really exist for one gender creates many changes in the balance of power between the sexes. we are only 50 in and look at all that came form this innovation. just imagine what the world will look like in 50 more.

  62. Bitcoin will solve that by JcMorin · · Score: 1

    Bitcoin will come to the rescue of this money printing machine!

  63. I think you're using it wrong. by Berkyjay · · Score: 1

    Because doesn't the definition of disruption have a negative connotation?

  64. Electricity and automobiles by istartedi · · Score: 2

    If you had asked me the question without prompting, it would have been a tough choice between electricity and automobiles. The fridge isn't there without reliable electricity in the home. Another guy cited the washing machine, since it saved so much labor for women. Same thing. It doesn't happen if you can't plug it in. In a world with cars but no home electric, I think life would still be pretty rough. OTOH, we build "streetcar suburbs" that ran with overhead electric, which solved transit for a lot of people. Car companies killed the street-cars, but nobody could kill electric so I'm going to go with "reliable electricity to the home" as the most disruptive technology even though electrification started well over 100 years ago. For rural people in the USA, 1930-1950 were the swing decades which puts us well in that time-frame.

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    1. Re:Electricity and automobiles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there were washing machines that worked without electricity (see foot peddle washer/wringers) and the original refrigerators were "ice boxes" - quite literally. People moved into inhabitable areas (like Texas, ha ha) with just those and no electricity for decades.

  65. Re:first poop by smithmc · · Score: 1

    I just puked in my mouth a little.

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  66. Cheese by q4Fry · · Score: 1

    My cheese goes bad in the refrigerator if I don't eat it fast enough. How did they manage to keep it around all winter?

    1. Re:Cheese by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Many cheeses are aged for several months. What you regard as "going bad" is probably mold that doesn't go in very deep.

      One technique for preserving cheese is to coat it with wax.

      Remember, cows produce milk all winter long, so cheese can be produced all winter long.

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  67. The sanitay napkin by dpilot · · Score: 1

    Prior to the development of the sanitary napkin, most women between the ages of approximately thirteen and somewhere in their fifties had to at least partially withdraw from society on a monthly basis. Now the participation limits on women are societal norms and part of pregnancy / infancy. I suspect the societal norms are the more restrictive of the two.

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  68. disruption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Haber process - allowed mankind to quadriple the population without starving

  69. Refrigeration is a constructive technology by ajyand · · Score: 1

    Pickling in brine is very unhealthy as it increases sodium content of the food. Similarly smoking produces chemicals which not only control microbial growth but are harmful for human beings. Refrigeration is in fact a constructive technology. There is no benefit of labeling it as a destructive one.

    1. Re:Refrigeration is a constructive technology by ajyand · · Score: 1

      And I wonder how this fallacious argument (the original post) got approved to be highlighted on Slashdot!

  70. Re:first poop by xevioso · · Score: 2

    Fresh mead from the butcher? That's quite medieval. Lucky guy. I have to make my own mead these days.

  71. Re:first poop by Darinbob · · Score: 1

    I remember the horrible toilet paper the schools had in the 70s. Thin, crinkly, single-ply, waxed, utterly unsuitable for its intended purpose.

  72. Re: first poop by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

    The story that some guy named Thomas Crapper invented the flush toilet started with Martin Gardner's monthly column in the Scientific American, when suckers failed to note that it was for the April edition. That April Fool's joke spread so fast, showing that even pre-internet people would believe pretty much anything.

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  73. Re:So, the refrigerator made US foor what it is no by Whorhay · · Score: 1

    Diversity, only kinda.

    Before refrigeration you'd likely be stuck eating mostly the same things over and over again in cycles based on the season. Refrigeration opens up more diversity because you can eat all kinds of stuff out of season, and from other parts of the world. Of course that added diversity though is purely potential, people don't have to eat those different things, and many probably just stick to what they like best.

  74. Ammonia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Haber-Bosch process for making ammonia. Without it as a fertilizer we'd still be fighting wars over bat guano while most of the human population starved to death.

    Haber was also the father of chemical warfare... so that's also interesting...

  75. Re:first poop by meadow · · Score: 1

    That reminds me of those mimeograph copies, back before laser and jet printers. I remember getting handouts all the time at school that were copied that way, almost always having some of the pigment/paint stuff spattered at various random places on the page, and often one corner of the page wasn't aligned correctly and sort of faded away.

  76. Re:first poop by perpenso · · Score: 1

    What makes you think government issued toilet paper is any better today? :-)

  77. Re: first poop by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

    Thanks for the clue. According to wikipedia, flush toilets have been in development for several centuries. Thomas Crapper was a manufacturer of flush toilets with a number of patents to his credit that advanced the state of the art. It looks like Gardner was either ignorant or stretched the truth, but he was close enough that his story really doesn't qualify as a joke.

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  78. Two Words For You by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have two words for you: Willis. Fucking. Carrier.

  79. Re: first poop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bzzzt!
    Gardner's April 1975 column came six years after the publishing of Wallace Reyburn's "Biography" of Thomas Crapper- "Flushed With Pride".
    I have a First Edition, autographed.
    Yes, the book was a Hoax, beloved by professional writers, like Gardner, who merrily promoted it.
    In "Time Travel and Other Mathematical Bewilderments", Gardner admits to his participation.

    Captcha: wiliness

  80. Re:Refrigerators are for cows. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1,1,1,2-tetrafluoroethane?
    That's _Dow_ Chemical, not _Cow_ Chemical...

  81. Re:Good article, but actually didn't surprise me . by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

    The VCR is a 1960s invention.

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  82. re: VCR by King_TJ · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I guess you could say that. There was apparently a video recorder made in 1963 in the U.K, sold in kit form, that could record 20 minutes at a time in black and white. (It cost about $1,600 in today's U.S. currency too.)

    But the device actually called VCR that used video cassettes was a Phillips invention sold to TV stations in 1970, and made available to consumers in 1972.

  83. Re:first poop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You westerners are dirty. Only water can clean ass properly.

  84. Re:Good article, but actually didn't surprise me . by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

    Despite all of us working in I.T. for decades and being up on the latest trends -- we universally agreed that it feels like real innovation is slowing down.

    My great grandparents saw the industrial revolution, my grandparents experienced world wars, my parents brought about social revolution and the digital age, and I played computer games and watched porn.
    My kids also play computer games and are probably watching porn too. It seems we've reached a plateau in human development.

  85. Re:first poop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That remained an accurate description of Army toilet paper at least through the mid-90s. The contemporary euphemism for it was "John Wayne" paper, because it was "tough as nails and don't take shit off nobody".

    - T

  86. Disruptive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There seems to be a great deal of confusion between the terms disruptive and innovative among both the post author and commenters.

    I'm not aware of any large entrenched industry that ws disrupted by the vacuum or the fridge. True, it displaced some workers, put some local businesses out of business, but added many more jobs and as mentioned, saved countless hours of domestic drudgery.

    I just don't see the disruption.

  87. Re: first poop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I worked at Ontario's Killbear Park in the late 1970's. Campers then and for about ten years afterwards got their ice from Walt's Ice, just outside the park's gate. Mr. Walt got his ice by cutting it right out of A nearby lake in the middle of the winter and stowing it in sawdust in a cool dark place until summer. It may have been old school, but it was energy-efficient and cost effective.

  88. BBQ vs grilling by sjbe · · Score: 1

    I'm so confused. I like to barbecue on my grill, or a hibachi at my girlfriends house. I use hardwood briquets exclusively because they make my food taste magical. It takes about 30 mins to cook corn or these nice sausages from the butcher, less than that for fish or asparagus. I cover things so they come out tasting quite smoky.

    Technically speaking, in the US what you are describing is is grilling rather than barbecue. If it doesn't take a long time at low heat it isn't technically correct to call it barbecue. But don't worry about it too much. Most people use the terms interchangeably and (almost) nobody really cares.

    Interestingly the British use the term barbecue for what the Americans call broiling - high direct heat. They also use grilling as something close to a synonym. But barbecue (in the low and slow American sense) is really an American style of cooking and I think it's useful to allow for the distinction because the cooking methods are hugely different. Grilling doesn't work well for cuts of meat with a lot of connective tissue.

    What am I allowed to call this? I'm scared to think about it too much, what I do now is fun, comes naturally, and tastes super amazing.

    Call it whatever you want. It doesn't really matter. But if you want to be pedantic you are grilling and/or smoking.

  89. Re: first poop by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    If you trace back all the stories, they all originated with Gardener's April Fools joke. He even created a face ISBN number for a book and "quoted" from it, citing "Thomas Crapper" (a made-up name) in the book. Of course, most people never bothered to verity that the book didn't exist. Flush toilets existed more than two millenia ago.

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  90. Re: first poop by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    I remember reading the original article in SciAm, and the follow-up that said "It was a joke, people." Thanks for the extra info :-)

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