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22-Way SteamOS Graphics Card Comparison: NVIDIA Wins Across the Board (phoronix.com)

Posted by Soulskill on from the competitor-is-steamed dept.

An anonymous reader writes: A 22-way AMD Radeon vs. NVIDIA GeForce graphics card comparison on SteamOS 2.0 "Brewmaster" was carried out with one month to go until Steam Machines begin to ship. The article looks at the OpenGL performance of this Debian-based Linux distribution as well as the power/performance efficiency, thermal efficiency, and value of the entire line-up. The results make it pretty clear why the current range of Steam Machines with SteamOS all ship with NVIDIA graphics.

98 comments

  1. What else is new? by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    AMD has never been able to write OpenGL drivers worth a damn. I dunno why they have so much trouble, but it has been that way forever. Holds true on Windows too. nVidia cards run equal speed in DX and OpenGL on Windows, AMD cards run was faster in DX mode.

    Allegedly the open source drivers would fix it, however it turns out that programming graphics drivers is really hard, particularly when you can't use licensed code, and the drivers have not provided impressive features and performance yet.

    So, as ever, nVidia is the winner because their proprietary Linux drivers are just as fast as their proprietary Windows drivers which is to say damn fast.

    1. Re: What else is new? by Redbehrend · · Score: 1

      I searched all over and still can't see how this test matters if he doesn't list the mb which can change the results drastically. .. Maybe I'm blind but I don't see it listed anywhere...

    2. Re: What else is new? by Redbehrend · · Score: 2

      Nm found the series which according to Newegg and amazon has tons of issues and AMD issues. Yea I'll stick with my point...

    3. Re:What else is new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the most important thing to take from this comparison is that SteamOS is more capable for gaming than Windows is. The Nvidia framerates on Linux are significantly higher than the same games running on Windows with the same or similar hardware.

    4. Re: What else is new? by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Any source whatsoever for that claim?

      The AMD drivers for Linux just is bad. Maybe Vulkan will fix that.

    5. Re: What else is new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      he doesn't list the mb which can change the results drastically

      No, not really.

    6. Re:What else is new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, there are two common explanations for this (old and well known) fact. First, Linux is lighter than Windows. Second, many (if not most) multi-platform games don't use in Linux all the features they use in Windows. The difference is rarely that significant, but it's usually easy to notice.

    7. Re:What else is new? by mikael · · Score: 1

      Any slow down with device drivers usually depends on mutexes and waiting for hardware to finish. Sometimes it needs some encouragement with flush commands (that's true for anything from serial communications to network packet drivers). With network drivers you have memory buffers to store received and sent packets. With graphics drivers you have memory buffers for reading textures, blocks of vertex data, shader variables, and writing out the resulting pixels into a framebuffer or texture.

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  2. Best? by Coren22 · · Score: 4, Informative

    So, the best price/performance comes out to a GTX 750, so why even bother with a newer card?

    GTX 750 - $109
    GTX 960 - $205
    GTX 970 - $318

    Yet, the reviewer recommends the above 960 or 970 for living room builds. Do you really get that much more performance to spend $100 and $200 more on a video card for a TV?

    The 750 also runs cooler

    750 - 35-54 deg C
    960 - 45-74 deg C
    970 - 34-63 deg C

    which will allow your living room PC to run quieter. I recommend the 750, you will be happier being able to hear your games/movies over the spinning fans.

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    1. Re:Best? by lexman098 · · Score: 1

      I'm thinking about buying a GTX 700-series card from NewEgg. Do you have any advice?

    2. Re:Best? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Single fan mini 960 is quiet, at least stock clock models. Mini 970 cards however start to sweat while trying to cool off. 960 should be notably faster than 750 and 750 Ti. It's a nice compromise of speed vs watts.

    3. Re:Best? by BradleyUffner · · Score: 2

      So, the best price/performance comes out to a GTX 750, so why even bother with a newer card?

      Because you are willing to pay a higher price for more performance? the 750 may have the best price to performance ratio, but some people need / want more raw performance and are willing to pay more.

    4. Re:Best? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 750Ti (I own this card, slightly faster), is not capable of doing 60FPS on 1080p with decent graphical settings. It's a nice card if you play a game every few months, because you're banking on power usage while idle (6W~). For watching movies, awesome card but a integrated GPU from AMD or Intel (Sandy Bridge iGPU has no issue playing Bluray 1080p) will fill that category. For playing games and not expecting 60FPS or not going for maxed out graphics settings, this card will deliver.

      This card will not deliver the performance you want to max out a title like The Witcher 3. It's underpowered for some of the big PC titles, and surely won't compete against future titles with higher demands. So it depends if you're the guy who goes for the next Call of Duty title every year, or someone who just wants to fire up a game from 2009 and play.

    5. Re:Best? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The VR helmet requirements seem to demand a lot more than what a 750 can deliver.

      As I think about my next machine, I've heard a lot of shitty things about Nvidia in the past few months:

      namely this:

      http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/213519-asynchronous-shading-amd-nvidia-and-dx12-what-we-know-so-far

      and

      http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-970-memory-issue-fully-explained/

    6. Re:Best? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      On a TV though? I doubt they can refresh fast enough to matter.

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    7. Re:Best? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      I don't know.

      My main desktop's video card is this:
      http://www.newegg.com/Product/...

      and it still runs anything I throw at it perfectly.

      Video cards are so overpowered current games that I just don't see the point of upgrading, I've had that card for 3 years, and haven't even see it degrade in a game yet. My most recent game is The Witcher 3, so it isn't like I am playing outdated games, and yes, it can play Crysis 2. (I don't own Crysis 3)

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    8. Re:Best? by BStocknd · · Score: 1

      Most current model TV's are at least 60Hz, which is the standard refresh rate for PC gaming. Several are 120Hz or 240Hz, higher than a lot of PC monitors, mostly because they also have 3D option and you need high refresh rate to maintain an acceptable rate when in 3D mode.

    9. Re:Best? by sudden.zero · · Score: 1

      I've had the 750 since it came out, and it is a great card! I've been playing Dying Light with close to full setting, and it almost never lags.

    10. Re:Best? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the other side, you have people that want to run at extreme resolutions, like 4k. Good luck with that at 750...I mean good luck with that in dual-sli TitanX.

    11. Re:Best? by faraway · · Score: 1

      I'm in the market for a card.

      I'll be getting a GTX 960/970 this consumer savings season because I upgrade GPUs every 3 years and I want to be able to support Oculus when it comes out.

    12. Re:Best? by Sumus+Semper+Una · · Score: 1

      I'm thinking about buying a GTX 700-series card from NewEgg. Do you have any advice?

      Well, I'm not personally very experienced with the GTX 700 series, but I can give some general NewEgg advice that I'm not sure if everyone is following. Read a few reviews from people who gave both good and bad reviews of the product. Don't just rely on the star ratings.

      The nicest thing for me about NewEgg (other than the very nice RMA policy for defective items) is that a lot of the reviewers are usually pretty technologically proficient and will get specific about their praise/gripes. Sometimes you'll find some item that's otherwise awesome and has a 5 star average, but that dies for 10% of the owners after 3 months. And sometimes you'll find a 4 star average on an item that's a very solid and stable product and has a good price, but got rated lower because it is outclassed on some benchmark by a more expensive similar product. The review comments are a good place to find things like that out.

    13. Re:Best? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Most current model TV's are at least 60Hz, which is the standard refresh rate for PC gaming. Several are 120Hz or 240Hz, higher than a lot of PC monitors, mostly because they also have 3D option and you need high refresh rate to maintain an acceptable rate when in 3D mode.

      It should be noted that despite having high refresh rates, few >60Hz TVs accept signals higher than 60Hz. It's mostly wasted on frame-interpolation bullshit and, as you mentioned, displaying 3D content via synchronized LCD shutter glasses.

    14. Re:Best? by The+Raven · · Score: 5, Informative

      The 960 was only a barely behind the 750 in performance per dollar... which means you are getting nearly double the performance for that doubling in price.

      Or, to put it another way, the 960 is 90% faster than the 750, for 100% more money. The 970 is 160% faster for 200% of the price. Those are actually great stats... when you normally look at high end cards, you often get 50% faster for 100% of the price.

      Finally, all the games he tested were rather old (common for Linux). If I'm buying a new steam machine now, I don't want to buy one that can play three year old games for $100, I want to buy one that will play next years games.

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    15. Re:Best? by lexman098 · · Score: 1

      Hate to reply to myself, but the whoosh is mounting. Maybe I'm just not that funny.

    16. Re:Best? by Kjella · · Score: 1

      During the game I really don't care about the fan noise and at least on my card (Asus Strix 970) it got 0db technology so the fan will spin down completely when it's idle. Do you really need a 970? No, but you don't really need a 750 either. Or a Steam Machine. It's entertainment, use as much on it as you want and can afford.

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    17. Re: Best? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But aren't the 960's also the place to be for future proofing for 4k content ala updated hdmi and hdcp?

    18. Re:Best? by nevermore94 · · Score: 1

      My advice is to always buy at at least an X60 card in the series and avoid any of the X50 or less series unless you are really trying to save a buck. Architecturally, the X60/X70 is usually much better than the X50, where the difference between X60 and X70 is usually just clock speeds. So, in short, get at least a 760.

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    19. Re:Best? by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      I also have the 750ti. I got it because it was the most powerfull nVidia card without an external power connector. In other words, as good as it gets without adding another space heater. :) I have been quite happy with it, but I have not bought DiRT Showdown yet. :)

    20. Re:Best? by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      Well, since this is an article on gaming under Linux, I do not think the DX12 stuff is all that relevant. :) Under Linux, nVidia spanks everyone. The debate is over. :)

    21. Re:Best? by Tool+Man · · Score: 1

      Test for what you need, or at least look for related benchmarks. Mine (750 Ti) does more crunching for password cracking than anything else, but helps out nicely for certain jobs. (Hashcat FTW of course!)

    22. Re: Best? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone who talks about "future proofing" with regards to tech must be new to the game.

    23. Re:Best? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      So, the best price/performance comes out to a GTX 750, so why even bother with a newer card?

      Having watched some reviews I would suggest a 950, because you can run a pair of them in SLI and get quite good results. I have a 750, and if I had it to do again, and waited a month before buying a card so that the 950 was a thing, I'd have ponied up the extra dough for a 950. If you don't have a SLI motherboard, though (this is my first, actually) then the 750 is probably fine for most users.

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    24. Re:Best? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Yes the 960 is good for the price, games at supported resolutions.
      Some of the video encode, decode support is interesting too if needed or supported.
      Nvidia PureVideo
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    25. Re:Best? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah. don't get a 700 series (obsolete) or buy from Newegg (over priced).

      Take a look at this Geforce GTX 960.

    26. Re:Best? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All televisions that support active 3D shutter glasses accept 120Hz input. That's how it works.

    27. Re:Best? by aliquis · · Score: 1

      So, the best price/performance comes out to a GTX 750, so why even bother with a newer card

      Because you want better performance of course.

      Also on a other-wise $600 build adding a $600 graphics could be viewed as spending twice as much rather than five times as much since it's relative the price of the computer with a different graphics card.

    28. Re:Best? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That price/performance measurement: I'm sure a 3dfx Voodoo2 now has an excellent ratio on that scale. Wouldn't buy one today though, would you? Especially if you want to run Crysis.

    29. Re:Best? by mOzone · · Score: 1

      960 is silent and makes no noise fan doesnt spin inless it gets hot then shuts off only time i heard fan come on in weeks was playing witcher 3

      also sips power like crazy would take it over a 750 anyday

    30. Re: Best? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're putting a 970 in a living room pc, it's worth spending the extra few bucks for the MSI TwinFrozr version. Silent when idle, and barely audible under full load.

    31. Re: Best? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Someone needs to tell my Bravia, then, because I'm stuck at 60Hz.

    32. Re:Best? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing could be as fast as apk was polishing you off twice today Coren22 http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + http://slashdot.org/comments.p... but that's what you get for trolling him mr. wannabe security guru.

    33. Re:Best? by samwichse · · Score: 1

      200% of the price IS 100% more money :).

      I usually just use the old stuff my friends with more money than brains upgraded from.

    34. Re:Best? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      apk is the biggest sucker the internet has ever seen. i casually troll that motherfucker every now and then and he gets sucked into it every time. he's like that one retarded rat that can never seem to learn that the pellet is electrified LOL!

    35. Re:Best? by The+Raven · · Score: 1

      I poorly worded a few areas. On the first, I said '100% more', but on the second I didn't say '200% more'. I think the meaning is clear overall.

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    36. Re:Best? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Up above, I link my card, it is a GTX 560 SE, and it runs the Witcher 3 just fine. I didn't do any tuning, I just went right into the game. Modern games aren't stressing video cards. Claiming that 60 FPS is REQUIRED is stupid too, 30 FPS is just fine for the majority of people, and people claiming they need 60 FPS are much like the people buying Denon Link cables for their stereos. If you need the latest video card to be happy, more power to you, but it is more of an addiction than an actual need.

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    37. Re:Best? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Oh also, I run Dual 24" 1920x1200, more res than a 1080i TV can display, so it isn't the resolution making Witcher 3 playable, as I run games at native resolution.

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    38. Re:Best? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      But will you notice the difference on a TV from 10 feet away? Are you actually gaining something from all that extra money?

      I linked my card above: http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

      I run the Witcher 3 at 1920x1200 and never see any detail drop with the screen a foot or two from my face. Would you honestly notice anything better than that from 10 feet away in your living room?

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    39. Re:Best? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      The point was, at ten feet from a screen running 1080i, does it really matter what video card you get? This isn't a review of the latest desktop using a great monitor, it is a review of a Steam box meant for the living room computer.

      I don't notice the difference running at 1920x1200 a foot or so from my face on a GTX 560 SE, why would I need the latest generation card to play on a TV in the living room? What benefit is there?

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    40. Re:Best? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you failed like Coren22 the big talker do nothing troll too http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    41. Re:Best? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This thread isn't relevant to your trolling. Please die.

    42. Re:Best? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Call of Duty was probably the worst choice for an example, because they release the same turd every year. This is why you can still play the latest COD on a potato.

    43. Re:Best? by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      You're all dorks. I somehow wound up with a bunch of steam games, and the experience has been thus:

      Most games play fine on my built-in Intel HD graphics in my old Core i5 and newer Pentium dual-core.

      Some games--irritatingly, no-fog, low-effects, and even 2D-sprite-driven platformers--run at 6fps every time there's some action, and even go to 1FPS on a fucking loading screen with a 2D, flat, single-color progress bar. This is why I usually stick to consoles.

      I don't even have the new Intel HD4000. I have the old Intel HD2000, the chip with 8 graphics cores instead of the $10 upgrade with 16 graphics cores.

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    44. Re:Best? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot NVIDIA purposely causing their card to fail (in drivers after about rev 340) if it detects PCI passthrough to a VM (qemu-kvm) and it's not a Quattro. See also PCI passthrough, NVIDIA, and Xen...

  3. ATI Radeon ruined it for me by hyperar · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    ATI is responsable that i didn't build up any more gaming PCs, in 2008 i bought an ATI Radeon HD 4870, at that moment, where i lived at least, it was one of the high end cards, ATI only offered the Dual 4870 and 4890 as better graphic cards. I thought i have built a very good gaming rig, and it turned out not being able to run Need For Speed Most Wanted (released 2005) with high settings, that day i decided that i would only play games on consoles, sure, they are less powerful, closed, but you put the disc and they run.

    1. Re:ATI Radeon ruined it for me by dejitaru · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Then the issue must have been something else or you got a crap card, because when I built my computer with the same GPU video card (Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 4870) I played the hell out of NFS:MW at full settings.

    2. Re:ATI Radeon ruined it for me by Osgeld · · Score: 2

      yep played it on a 4850 maxed out no problems, sounds like OP needed to stop "building" computers

    3. Re:ATI Radeon ruined it for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yep played it on a 4850 maxed out no problems, sounds like OP needed to stop "building" computers

      Doesn't change his point. Console gaming just works and multiplayer is better as well.

    4. Re:ATI Radeon ruined it for me by antdude · · Score: 1

      I still use my old 4870 video card. I don't play games anymore so it works fine.

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  4. AMD is banking on DX12/Vulkan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    . . . not OpenGL. Don't expect their OpenGL performance to improve much in the future.

    1. Re:AMD is banking on DX12/Vulkan by houstonbofh · · Score: 2

      You did notice that was an article on the Steam Machine, which runs Linux, right?

    2. Re:AMD is banking on DX12/Vulkan by jedidiah · · Score: 1, Troll

      ...anyone who isn't part of the Microsoft human centipede.

      Tablet platforms obviously come to mind. Their ascendancy is probably why more developers seem to care about OpenGL these days. Macs and Linux are probably just fortunate benefactors of that.

      DX "like" isn't quite good enough.

      Plus you forgot to mention what Nintendo uses.

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    3. Re:AMD is banking on DX12/Vulkan by edxwelch · · Score: 1

      Yeah, Vulkan runs on Linux

    4. Re:AMD is banking on DX12/Vulkan by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Seriously. Who gives a shit about OpenGL gaming performance anymore? All major systems use DX or DX like languages(PS4 uses GNM, XBONE uses DX12, and PC uses DX9+ depending on engine). There's a reason that very little effort is put into OpenGL or *nix drivers.

      Well, phones and tablets put a lot of effort into OpenGL ES drivers at least. Which means game engines support it quite well. Also a lot of expensive professional workstation software uses OpenGL. So a lot of the foundation is there and if Steam wants to actually sell Steam Machines well they'll need to make an effort for it to happen, I doubt they did all this to say "oh drivers, our bad forget about it". Surely they've talked to all the major game studios who distribute through Steam to make games for it and being used is the best way to get bug fixes and performance improvements. At this point I don't really care if it's mainly nVidia, proprietary drivers only. You have to start somewhere and moving to Linux/OpenGL is a great start.

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    5. Re:AMD is banking on DX12/Vulkan by Narishma · · Score: 1

      Vulkan hasn't yet released.

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    6. Re:AMD is banking on DX12/Vulkan by edxwelch · · Score: 1

      I don't know what your point is exactly. Vulkan will be released in 2 months time

    7. Re:AMD is banking on DX12/Vulkan by bhcompy · · Score: 1

      Yes, indeed. Who said it's going to matter?

  5. Re:GPUs are for cows. by mark-t · · Score: 2

    Low poly, or high poly?

    Stuff like this matters.... you need to be more specific.

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  6. Re:GPUs are for cows. by friedmud · · Score: 2

    Spherical

  7. well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    doesn't matter. We need AMD because Nvidia and Intel needs competition.

    1. Re:well by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2

      So you're gonna buy an AMD card then?

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  8. Re:GPUs are for cows. by Sumus+Semper+Una · · Score: 1

    Spherical

    Soooo, Quake 3 cows then?

  9. Re:GPUs are for cows. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ha ha ha ha ha

  10. Re:GPUs are for cows. by mark-t · · Score: 1

    Why? Was a physicist going to milk them?

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  11. Latest AMD GPus are Fury and 3xx not 2xx, 7xxx by Kartu · · Score: 3, Informative

    And while they are not brand new architecture from AMD, they DO perform differently than 2xx series.
    Yet they didn't make it into the review.
    HALF of the AMD cards reviewed aren't even previous generation, they are pre-previous.

    There is a reason (LiquidVR) Dell/Alienware went exclusively with AMD for Oculus Rift builds, somehow that doesn't matter for SteamOS, eh?
    http://hexus.net/tech/news/sys...

    AMD 380 is the best 200$ card out there at the moment. It beats 960 handily in most games, while consuming 10-30w more (n games)
    390 is within 5% of 980 performance, at a fraction of a price, and 30-40% more power consumption.

    AMDs GPUs are more than competitive at the moment, stop spreading BS.

    1. Re:Latest AMD GPus are Fury and 3xx not 2xx, 7xxx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you'd actually look at the review, you'll see that the Fury is in fact there.

    2. Re:Latest AMD GPus are Fury and 3xx not 2xx, 7xxx by preflex · · Score: 2

      There is a reason (LiquidVR) Dell/Alienware went exclusively with AMD for Oculus Rift builds, somehow that doesn't matter for SteamOS, eh?

      Correct. That doesn't matter for SteamOS. Occulus announced they were dropping Linux (SteamOS) and Mac support back in May.

      AMDs GPUs are more than competitive at the moment, stop spreading BS.

      Maybe on Windows, but if you RTFA, you'd see that in Phoronix's tests, the $650 R9 Fury X was regularly outperformed by a $120 GeForce GTX 750 on SteamOS.

    3. Re:Latest AMD GPus are Fury and 3xx not 2xx, 7xxx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nvidia does that a lot, bribing companies into "optimising" their software to fit their hardware, but actually degrading performance for everyone else. And considering how crooked the game reviewers in general are ....

    4. Re:Latest AMD GPus are Fury and 3xx not 2xx, 7xxx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bribing? Really? Either you don't know the meaning of the word or you're just being sensationalist. You don't need to "bribe" gaming companies for them to see that GameWorks is more advantageous and cost-effective than TressFX for example. It makes sense for a developer to use those tools than to write it themselves, there's certainly nothing wrong with a codepath through a competing solution to support other vendors either so long as that competing solution is actually useful and viable.

  12. No surprises there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nvidia under Linux with proprietary drivers just works; AMD just does not.

  13. We know you're mentally underpowered Coren22 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apk ate you alive twice http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

  14. Re:Coren22 I see APK ate you alive twice? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    When you can be better than anyone APK, then I will be amazed. Currently you just look like a shitty programmer that wouldn't know security if it slapped you in the face. You repeatedly troll people acting like you won arguments, when you haven't proven your point at all, people just don't want to reply to your 20 replies.

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  15. Coren22 I see apk ate you alive twice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shouldn't troll your betters Coren22 http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

  16. The real point was you got torn up twice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shouldn't troll your betters Coren22 http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

  17. I notice apk tore you up twice for trolling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shouldn't troll your betters Coren22 http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

  18. What program have you done that's better? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You haven't big talker. Anyone can read these links seeing your fails (especially in security) Coren22 http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + http://slashdot.org/comments.p... and apk's done things in security you never can or will loser.

    1. Re:What program have you done that's better? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hahahahaha classic. Coren22 blew it in security yet claims to be a security pro and can't program at all. He's too limited.

  19. Coren22 torn up twice by apk hahahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shouldn't troll your betters Coren22 http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

  20. You got run into the ground by apk twice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shouldn't troll your betters Coren22 http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

  21. Coren22 the security & programming failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shouldn't troll your betters Coren22 http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

  22. Radeon 4770 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ran every NFS from Underground to Undercover. Shift ran like shit on it due to PhysX support (And only a dual core proc), and I quit playing NFS games after that.

    The 48xx cards are 2+x the performance of my card too, so it was definitely the GGPP's system/card rather than a problem with the ATI rv7xx architecture (Which I will also note is the WiiU's GPU. Probably a major reason for its failure, since RV7xx only supported emulated OpenCL 1.0 support, and not 1.1+ as is required by GPGPU applications.)